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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 10:38am On Jan 13
bayelsaowei:
The real question that should be asked in court should be was that ICe agent really really protecting himself? Was that vehicle directly heading towards him? And would a gun shot have stopped the lady from crashing at him if she wanted to?

We all watched the video..

All of these brought to a court would serve better, rather than the CONCLUSIONS online (including myself)

The DHS has taken a stance. If not now, that ICE agent must be brought to a court and this incident assessed right before a judge. If he is declared innocent, then everyone will accept the judgement..same if he is charged guilty.
Quick one
Why are democrats demanding that no conclusion be reached about the justification of the shooting by Trump and Co before investigations , yet they are calling it murder most foul.
What's the standard they are applying?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 10:50am On Jan 13
basilico:
Quick one
Why are democrats demanding that no conclusion be reached about the justification of the shooting by Trump and Co before investigations , yet they are calling it murder most foul.
What's the standard they are applying?
Reason for that stance is going by what the video explicitly shows.. for me, if that woman really wanted to mull that ICE agent head one I bet he would have had the time and space to even raise his gun. Thats my own assessment.

But until that man is brought before a court, protests wont end. Once injustice is perceived or is actually meted out and it is not treated, it begets protests.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 12:23pm On Jan 13
Hi
bayelsaowei:
Reason for that stance is going by what the video explicitly shows.. for me, if that woman really wanted to mull that ICE agent head one I bet he would have had the time and space to even raise his gun. Thats my own assessment.

But until that man is brought before a court, protests wont end. Once injustice is perceived or is actually meted out and it is not treated, it begets protests.
If you backtrack I posted a video analysis of the slow motion. Reene Good deliberate reverse and turn towards the agent after taunting him..Her wife yelled "Drive Baby Drive". Then she engaged forward,at which the ICE agent took out his gun and shot her.
This is an open and shut case. The agent had every right to shoot at her , 3 times because she might have run any other person. She was a member of ICE Watch ,trained to obstruct ICE in this new war. The Minnesota govt is taking every advantage to cloud the real issue. They were in cahoots with Somali fraudsters,taking in their money for votes.Its in the interest of Nur Elmi Ilhan Seid Omar,Keith Ellison,Tim Walz and Mayor Frey that the focus shifts from the more than $9B or $18B stolen to this single split second decision.

Trust me I'm never proven wrong ,not that I've been proven right all along.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by SpaceX: 1:55pm On Jan 13
IjeBos:
1.) She was both told to get out of the car and get out of here.
2.) And so what if they told her to get out of the car and she didn't obey? Execute her?
she parked her car right at the centre of the road as a ringleader to obstruct ICE officers from discharging their duties is a criminal offence. Secondly, she resisted arrested and also use her vehicle as a power weapon to hit ice agents, believe me the case is good as dead.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by EnlightenedUFO: 2:34pm On Jan 13
doggedfighter:
Is that a child's leg on the chair? 😥
I'm still in shock huh
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 2:52pm On Jan 13
bayelsaowei:
So you agree that ethically, the executive arm of any democratic government should avoid assuming total control over parastatals that should have independent insight as to the happenings of the government. Do you agree? If yes, then thank you..if No, then I leave you to continue.
This is a philosophical, not ethical, issue.

There's nothing in the Constitution about "independent parastatals" like Federal Reserve or Federal Communications Commission. The Constitution provides in explicit terms that the powers of the Executive are vested in a President of the United States. So it's a matter of philosophy, style and tradition and interpretation, definitely NOT ethics.

Basically, there's no wrong or right to that, I guess it's a Supreme Court decision or Congress can make more explicit laws.

Good Luck to Nigerians
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 2:59pm On Jan 13
EnlightenedUFO:
I'm still in shock huh
I’m not
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 3:04pm On Jan 13
basilico:
Hi
If you backtrack I posted a video analysis of the slow motion. Reene Good deliberate reverse and turn towards the agent after taunting him..Her wife yelled "Drive Baby Drive". Then she engaged forward,at which the ICE agent took out his gun and shot her.
This is an open and shut case. The agent had every right to shoot at her , 3 times because she might have run any other person. She was a member of ICE Watch ,trained to obstruct ICE in this new war. The Minnesota govt is taking every advantage to cloud the real issue. They were in cahoots with Somali fraudsters,taking in their money for votes.Its in the interest of Nur Elmi Ilhan Seid Omar,Keith Ellison,Tim Walz and Mayor Frey that the focus shifts from the more than $9B or $18B stolen to this single split second decision.

Trust me I'm never proven wrong ,not that I've been proven right all along.
You need to prove all these allegations in court.. if not it would be a jamboree. Prove it in court and then arrest folks like Tim Walz..I doubt he has immunity..

Until then na story you fit dey talk oo..
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico:
Hi
bayelsaowei:
You need to prove all these allegations in court.. if not it would be a jamboree. Prove it in court and then arrest folks like Tim Walz..I doubt he has immunity..

Until then na story you fit dey talk oo..
More sad news for you.
Nur Ilhan Elmi Said Omar mother falsified her refugee documents. Ilhan and her sister with a surname Elmi were not her kids, their father came later.

Ilhan Omar and her entire family are facing not only the loss of their US citizenship, but the possibility of deportation as well.
According to immigration reports, Omar's mother falsified documents when they came from Somalia, which invalidates the family's refugee status.
"That means that they were never here legally, which negates their citizenship," said CBP Deputy Director Joe Barron, "They've filed an injunction, but it looks like they may be asked to leave."

And if they don't, Tom Homan can pay them a visit.


I'm not sure about this with her mother I reserve the right to delete it,but where there is smoke there's fire.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 4:07pm On Jan 13
basilico:
Hi

More sad news for you.
Nur Ilhan Elmi Said Omar mother falsified her refugee documents. Ilhan and her sister with a surname Elmi were not her kids, their father came later.

Ilhan Omar and her entire family are facing not only the loss of their US citizenship, but the possibility of deportation as well.
According to immigration reports, Omar's mother falsified documents when they came from Somalia, which invalidates the family's refugee status.
"That means that they were never here legally, which negates their citizenship," said CBP Deputy Director Joe Barron, "They've filed an injunction, but it looks like they may be asked to leave."

And if they don't, Tom Homan can pay them a visit.


I'm not sure about this with her mother I reserve the right to delete it,but where there is smoke there's fire.
grin grin grin

I don die for laugh..

Nothing wey I no go read..

Continue..have fun...
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie:
basilico:
Hi

More sad news for you.
Nur Ilhan Elmi Said Omar mother falsified her refugee documents. Ilhan and her sister with a surname Elmi were not her kids, their father came later.

Ilhan Omar and her entire family are facing not only the loss of their US citizenship, but the possibility of deportation as well.
According to immigration reports, Omar's mother falsified documents when they came from Somalia, which invalidates the family's refugee status.
"That means that they were never here legally, which negates their citizenship," said CBP Deputy Director Joe Barron, "They've filed an injunction, but it looks like they may be asked to leave."

And if they don't, Tom Homan can pay them a visit.


I'm not sure about this with her mother I reserve the right to delete it,but where there is smoke there's fire.
Why don't you just stop with this nonsensical hope for criminal prosecution of Democrat politicos?

NOTHING WILL BE DONE. There's no jury in Minnesota that will convict a Democrat official. They won't even get indictments.

Good Luck to Nigerians.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 4:32pm On Jan 13
The Clintons have refused to testify before congress regarding the Epstein files

I hope the Democrats will maintain the same energy
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 4:49pm On Jan 13
imagine being the child or husband of this woman.
Bayelsaowei, see the people you align with and carry water for. they are women so this kind of behvaior should be tolerated and self-control should be on 2-4-7.

this is not the first video i have seen of people harassing people who are not ice, has nothing to do with ice and accusing them of being ice.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 4:52pm On Jan 13
during Biden, ICE apprehend and deported at least 8k people in Minneapolis, not a single complains. the same ICE that people are ramming their cars at and shooting.

No democrat mayor said you cant come in here, you cant operate in our cities
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by BreakingNews21: 5:39pm On Jan 13
Looks like in-fighting has commenced within the GOP in Yankee.


Anonymous Exposes Trump’s Meltdown After Republicans Finally Turn Against Him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRM0RRT5Nks&t=183s
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by BreakingNews21: 5:42pm On Jan 13
Strong words/title!

"IT'S A COUP: Republicans Move To Overthrow Trump!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQVRMQf3RxM
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 6:09pm On Jan 13
Sense has started to come...

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 6:11pm On Jan 13
benalvino3:
during Biden, ICE apprehend and deported at least 8k people in Minneapolis, not a single complains. the same ICE that people are ramming their cars at and shooting.

No democrat mayor said you cant come in here, you cant operate in our cities
Can you show videos of ICE during Bidens time wearing ski masks and dragging people off the streets like animals?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 6:14pm On Jan 13
raumdeuter:
The Clintons have refused to testify before congress regarding the Epstein files

I hope the Democrats will maintain the same energy
Nobody here has in anyway staunchly defended the Clinton's as regards the Epstein issue.

NOBODY!!

Anyone who is a pdf or has enabled one should go to Jail...

Hope you understand?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 6:16pm On Jan 13
bayelsaowei:
Can you show videos of ICE during Bidens time wearing ski masks and dragging people off the streets like animals?
there were not because no one was harassing them, doxxing them. they let them do their job. they were not carrying guns or pepper spray because no one was shooting at them or harassing them.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:23pm On Jan 13
bayelsaowei:
Nobody here has in anyway staunchly defended the Clinton's as regards the Epstein issue.
NOBODY!!
Anyone who is a pdf or has enabled one should go to Jail...
Hope you understand?
So when are you going to start screaming about Clintons name like you have been doing to Trump
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:50pm On Jan 13
IbeOkehie:
Why don't you just stop with this nonsensical hope for criminal prosecution of Democrat politicos?

NOTHING WILL BE DONE. There's no jury in Minnesota that will convict a Democrat official. They won't even get indictments.

Good Luck to Nigerians.
Juries are already biased. I'd posted of jury which returned a guilty verdict on a suspect who had defrauded $7 million or so. The judge overturned the jury and let him go. Minnesota,just a couple of weeks ago.

Since when did justice in America becobe such a joke?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:50pm On Jan 13
SpaceX:
she parked her car right at the centre of the road as a ringleader to obstruct ICE officers from discharging their duties is a criminal offence.
DId she?
In the video cars are passing her car.
And assuming you're right (you're not) so what? Kill her for that?
You keep repeating it over and over and over again. Ask yourself what does this have to do with anything.
You should read the Use of Deadly force standard.
Force isn't to be used because agents are mad or they get their feelings hurt or someone doesn't do what they like.
And honestly, if this was part of the reason he shot her, it would be murder.

SpaceX:
Secondly, she resisted arrested
Resisted arrest for what?
Be specific.
And, assume she did resist arrest (again an assumption that is wrong), does that mean she should have been executed?

SpaceX:
and also use her vehicle as a power weapon to hit ice agents, believe me the case is good as dead.
You mean the agent that was to the side of the vehicle when he fired the first shot. And then fires the next two while the car was driving past him?

Honestly, you seem to have 0 idea what you are talking about nor the American principles that supposed to have prevented what the officer did.
You sound un-American.
And proudly ignorant to boot.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:52pm On Jan 13
Maeve7:
And then called her “fvcking bitch”.

Trust me, no matter how they spin it, even Raumdeuter is gonna sh.t his pants when they stop him after seeing this.
There is a direct thru line from this to how people like us get treated.
And there are people who look like us in this thread celebrating it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:54pm On Jan 13
cococandy:
I hope this guys fries for this murder. We can’t keep letting criminals and black hearted people get away with anything because they support Trump.
It's so immensily disappoint the people defending it.
At the minimum there should have been an impartial investigation.

Yes, officers' jobs are hard. But you can't have black hearted yahoos out there taking the law into their own hands and letting their feelings lead them to murder people.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 7:07pm On Jan 13
raumdeuter:
So when are you going to start screaming about Clintons name like you have been doing to Trump
I dont need to scream..because I want Clinton indicted and shamed if he had ties with Epstein.. I am not going to relentlessly support anybody who is vile like a shameless person.

Meanwhile Clinton isnt trying so hard to block the files from being released.

So why should I scream..

The person I would scream at is the armed robber that is fighting so hard to block the files. We are waiting for the remaining files oo..

They should release more of it
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Nastymods: 7:08pm On Jan 13
IjeBos:
DId she?
In the video cars are passing her car.
And assuming you're right (you're not) so what? Kill her for that?
You keep repeating it over and over and over again. Ask yourself what does this have to do with anything.
You should read the Use of Deadly force standard.
Force isn't to be used because agents are mad or they get their feelings hurt or someone doesn't do what they like.
And honestly, if this was part of the reason he shot her, it would be murder.


Resisted arrest for what?
Be specific.
And, assume she did resist arrest (again an assumption that is wrong), does that mean she should have been executed?


You mean the agent that was to the side of the vehicle when he fired the first shot. And then fires the next two while the car was driving past him?

Honestly, you seem to have 0 idea what you are talking about nor the American principles that supposed to have prevented what the officer did.
You sound un-American.
And proudly ignorant to boot.
Plenty ah gay inner one pesin. Kikikikikiki
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 7:12pm On Jan 13
benalvino3:
there were not because no one was harassing them, doxxing them. they let them do their job. they were not carrying guns or pepper spray because no one was shooting at them or harassing them.
You only get what you give. Bidens ICE most likely wasnt inhumane and so no need for anyone to harass them..

Trumps ICE are dragging people off the streets like animals and terrorising folks.. Wearing Masks and behaving like rabid dogs..
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 7:14pm On Jan 13
armyofone:
I wonder where they get their analysis from or the frame of mind at the time they are analyzing. Cali Republic being 3rd world is really far gone bias. 🤔
No analysis, just regurgitating what they heard on Twitter.
Imagine a Republican from states like Alabama or Mississippi talking about poverty in California or California being 3rd world.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 7:16pm On Jan 13
raumdeuter:
So when are you going to start screaming about Clintons name like you have been doing to Trump
Maybe take that same energy and push to have the supposed best friend of Epstein(Trump) called to testify or have him release the files he said he would release when running for office.

It's all brain dead politics all the time with you.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Seun(mod): 7:18pm On Jan 13
The death of Renee Nicole Good was a premeditated murder. They thought that killing one of the protesters would end the protests. They meant to teach the other protesters a lesson. That's why Trump's govt is going out of its way to protect the killer. He did their bidding.
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