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Re: Mutual Funds by Keith05cool(m): 5:33pm On Jan 12
EquityM:
https://mobile-web.cardinalstone.com/
Register on this website or download the app "CS Alpha" on the Play Store or Apple Store.
I have cardinal stone already, did mutual funds with them too
Re: Mutual Funds by Keith05cool(m): 5:34pm On Jan 12
bassdow:
you ought be asking to see evidence and history, not this one you saying
So the one you are saying, did I mention you? Did I ask you questions? Come and teach me since you know how to go about everything in life,
Re: Mutual Funds by Coolis: 5:36pm On Jan 12
Una don dey confuse person like this so, l been think say na only court them dey say he who must come to equity must come with a clean hands.

All these equity people, e don reach make una open una own thread. Na Abeg l dey oo, make una leave us with MMF. Equity people,, abeg make una open una own thread, make una leave us with MMF news, story and every other gist that has to do with MMF bikonu
Re: Mutual Funds by Creditalerts: 5:58pm On Jan 12
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Re: Mutual Funds by Creditalerts: 5:58pm On Jan 12
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Re: Mutual Funds by FineUsername(m): 6:40pm On Jan 12
Kindly share their ratings on Naija MMF/Managers.

As I said, I'm open to learning. Take it or leave it.
Preator:
The intl rating agencies actually do national ratings mostly as its more useful locally.

The other onr u wan learn.. 😂 i reserve comment for now. Na public forum
Re: Mutual Funds by compunigeria: 6:53pm On Jan 12
EquityM:
Sorry, bro. Equity is like buying stocks. However, the stocks are bought on your behalf by CardinalStone. E.g., Gtco, Aradel, Seplat, Buafood, and high-yield dividend stocks. When these stocks rise, you earn money everyday, when the stocks go down, you lose some money. However, some stocks do better than others, so it is unlikely to lose your capital. The interesting part is that you get dividends from these stocks annually apart from the capital gains. To make a profit, you need to invest at least 50 to 100k to fight off losses. In a week (trading is 5days) you might earn profit in 3 days and losses in 2 days, a little dip. However, the profit usually beats the losses. This week I only lost 12,000 naira and made 200,000 naira..
Please can you kindly explain the reason for the bolded part above. Is the profit / dip not a percentage of the amount invested? I am expecting a uniform percentage gain/ dip per time across all the investments.
Re: Mutual Funds by topicsbay: 7:12pm On Jan 12
Retro9090:
Stanbic MMF at 15.63% is not encouraging at all. I currently have 176M naira in it. I am contemplating moving to a different asset manager.
We have a similar investment. However, my strategy is to get it up to 1bn before considering any other manager.
Re: Mutual Funds by Preator: 7:41pm On Jan 12
FineUsername:
Kindly share their ratings on Naija MMF/Managers.

As I said, I'm open to learning. Take it or leave it.
Cool.

The big three do not rate nigerian fund managers to the best of my knowledge. They issue ratings on entities with major international exposure either countries, banks or major financial institutions.

Now, the ratings done by national rating agencies are not credit ratings like those of banks. It does not reflect their ability to repay debts or meet their financial obligations in a timely manner.

Mostly, the ratings are management quality or investment managers rating. They assess the quality of your managers. It shows how good your fund manager is in managing your assets. It also talks about the quality and adherence to internal controls, risk management and operational efficiencies.

These are important. We mostly forget that almost all these fund managers are heavily involved in managing equity based portfolios where quality of the manager shines.

However, for your mmf, it is largely insignificant because SEC mainly limits what each manager can do. Essentially their use of individual judgement is limited

1. You must invest at least 70% in assets that will liquidate within 365 days
2. The assets must have a minimum of BBB rating
3. You cant put more than 20% of your AUM in a single security(no matter how sweet it is) except its government securities (t-bills)
4. Fees and expenses are capped at 1.5% and 3.5% of your NAV
5. You must settle every redemption within T+1
6. Interest must be distributed quaterly
7. Plus the funds are not kept with the fund manager

There are some more rules sha. You can also read more on Regulation of investment of pension fund assets which is allied.

With this, you will see that judgment is limited for MMF but the rating is indicative for Equity based portfolios.
Re: Mutual Funds by Nobody: 7:47pm On Jan 12
Profit does not equal percentage or yield, unlike MMF. Profit comes from the change in market prices. For example, if you have 100k and the return today is 0.90%, your profit will be multiplied by your current unit, and then you will earn profit. Nevertheless, if the loss is -1.20, it will wipe out some of your earnings. As I stated earlier, if you invest 50k and you earn 1000 naira today, if tomorrow the market declines and the loss for that day is 200 naira, it will be deducted from your current value and not the unit. It is better to have like 50k or 100k than to invest 20k or 10k. The higher your balance, the higher your profit, and this provides a shield for losses.

compunigeria:
Please, can you kindly explain the reason for the bolded part above. Is the profit / dip not a percentage of the amount invested? I am expecting a uniform percentage gain/ dip per time across all the investments.
Re: Mutual Funds by Nobody: 7:50pm On Jan 12
Okay, boss, I think that is a good idea.

Coolis:
Una don dey confuse person like this so, l been think say na only court them dey say he who must come to equity must come with a clean hands.

All these equity people, e don reach make una open una own thread. Na Abeg l dey oo, make una leave us with MMF. Equity people,, abeg make una open una own thread, make una leave us with MMF news, story and every other gist that has to do with MMF bikonu
Re: Mutual Funds by Nobody: 7:59pm On Jan 12
Yes, I got my dividend last week. Sometimes, the daily rate exceeds that of MMF. I was also told there is a peak period where you earn a gigantic rate.

Allboiz:
I heard there's dividend biannually and the total rates at the end of a year is around 17 - 20%. Also, it doesn't go down anyhow like mmf. It's stable and steady.
Re: Mutual Funds by Nobody: 8:02pm On Jan 12
Welcome on board, bro. Make sure you have MMF, as well.

Keith05cool:
I have cardinal stone already, did mutual funds with them too
Re: Mutual Funds by emmasoft(m): 8:03pm On Jan 12
Preator:
Cool.

The big three do not rate nigerian fund managers to the best of my knowledge. They issue ratings on entities with major international exposure either countries, banks or major financial institutions.

Now, the ratings done by national rating agencies are not credit ratings like those of banks. It does not reflect their ability to repay debts or meet their financial obligations in a timely manner.

Mostly, the ratings are management quality or investment managers rating. They assess the quality of your managers. It shows how good your fund manager is in managing your assets. It also talks about the quality and adherence to internal controls, risk management and operational efficiencies.

These are important. We mostly forget that almost all these fund managers are heavily involved in managing equity based portfolios where quality of the manager shines.

However, for your mmf, it is largely insignificant because SEC mainly limits what each manager can do. Essentially their use of individual judgement is limited

1. You must invest at least 70% in assets that will liquidate within 365 days
2. The assets must have a minimum of BBB rating
3. You cant put more than 20% of your AUM in a single security(no matter how sweet it is) except its government securities (t-bills)
4. Fees and expenses are capped at 1.5% and 3.5% of your NAV
5. You must settle every redemption within T+1
6. Interest must be distributed quaterly
7. Plus the funds are not kept with the fund manager

There are some more rules sha. You can also read more on Regulation of investment of pension fund assets which is allied.

With this, you will see that judgment is limited for MMF but the rating is indicative for Equity based portfolios.
@Preator, Thank you for these inputs. In fact, I keep saying it, if folks here really know what SEC regulation entails, hmm, they will know that most of the fears expressed, concerns shown, or comments are really unnecessary. I know there are many other rules apart from the already mentioned; some cannot even be said in a forum like this. SEC is even more concerned than the investors, after all, an investor is concerned about his/her capital, but the SEC is concerned about all the invested funds from all investors in the industry.
Trust me, all these rules are meant to protect investors' interest and their capital. So while worrying when organised bodies and professionals are already doing the worries, even some are paid to do it.

Once more, let us not turn MMF into a high-risk investment. It remains low risk for life.
Re: Mutual Funds by Nobody: 8:09pm On Jan 12
I've started an equity investment forum. Anyone who trades equity is welcome to join; let's learn together and make money legally. May God give us wisdom. Thank you, everyone, and goodbye.

Re: Mutual Funds by Creditalerts: 8:19pm On Jan 12
EquityM:
I've started an equity investment forum. Anyone who trades equity is welcome to join; let's learn together and make money legally. May God give us wisdom. Thank you, everyone, and goodbye.
na only u go dey post there cheesy grin now worry 🤣
Re: Mutual Funds by Nobody: 8:29pm On Jan 12
Haha, no worries, bro.

Creditalerts:
na only u go dey post there cheesy grin now worry 🤣
Re: Mutual Funds by Creditalerts: 9:36pm On Jan 12
EquityM:
Haha, no worries, bro.
no mind me na joke I dey o😁
Re: Mutual Funds by Laolballs: 9:48pm On Jan 12
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Re: Mutual Funds by FineUsername(m): 10:37pm On Jan 12
Thanks. I get.

Preator:
Cool.

The big three do not rate nigerian fund managers to the best of my knowledge. They issue ratings on entities with major international exposure either countries, banks or major financial institutions.

Now, the ratings done by national rating agencies are not credit ratings like those of banks. It does not reflect their ability to repay debts or meet their financial obligations in a timely manner.

Mostly, the ratings are management quality or investment managers rating. They assess the quality of your managers. It shows how good your fund manager is in managing your assets. It also talks about the quality and adherence to internal controls, risk management and operational efficiencies.

These are important. We mostly forget that almost all these fund managers are heavily involved in managing equity based portfolios where quality of the manager shines.

However, for your mmf, it is largely insignificant because SEC mainly limits what each manager can do. Essentially their use of individual judgement is limited

1. You must invest at least 70% in assets that will liquidate within 365 days
2. The assets must have a minimum of BBB rating
3. You cant put more than 20% of your AUM in a single security(no matter how sweet it is) except its government securities (t-bills)
4. Fees and expenses are capped at 1.5% and 3.5% of your NAV
5. You must settle every redemption within T+1
6. Interest must be distributed quaterly
7. Plus the funds are not kept with the fund manager

There are some more rules sha. You can also read more on Regulation of investment of pension fund assets which is allied.

With this, you will see that judgment is limited for MMF but the rating is indicative for Equity based portfolios.
Re: Mutual Funds by Allboiz: 6:40am On Jan 13
Re: Mutual Funds by Nobody: 7:27am On Jan 13
This trustbanc rate is always moving nawa oo
Re: Mutual Funds by Preator: 8:21am On Jan 13
welzyj2:
This trustbanc rate is always moving nawa oo
Rates move almost daily accross all MMFs. Manage am like that. It's still higher than most FMs still.
Re: Mutual Funds by heavenisreal18: 12:26pm On Jan 13
Good Afternoon
Pls when transferring money to Stanbic mmf ,can I transfer using other bank to credit my E- account as well
Re: Mutual Funds by emmasoft(m): 2:04pm On Jan 13
heavenisreal18:
Good Afternoon
Pls when transferring money to Stanbic mmf ,can I transfer using other bank to credit my E- account as well
Funding your MMF account can be from any of your personal bank accounts with any bank, even a fintech, provided there is proper narration to avoid delay in funds tracing.
Re: Mutual Funds by Creditalerts: 3:03pm On Jan 13
emmasoft:
Funding your MMF account can be from any of your personal bank accounts with any bank, even a fintech, provided there is proper narration to avoid delay in funds tracing.
I use opay to fund my stanbic sef is no issue they gave me a virtual account number STANBIC is nice but their rate 🤮
Re: Mutual Funds by Nobody: 3:11pm On Jan 13
Creditalerts:
I use opay to fund my stanbic sef is no issue they gave me a virtual account number STANBIC is nice but their rate 🤮
Once stanbic rate increases, the room will be closed to defectors wink
Re: Mutual Funds by Creditalerts: 3:43pm On Jan 13
welzyj2:
Once stanbic rate increases, the room will be closed to defectors wink
🤣🤣🤣 no way I will decamp back
Re: Mutual Funds by Nobody: 3:50pm On Jan 13
Creditalerts:
🤣🤣🤣 no way I will decamp back
Lmao 🤣 🤣
Re: Mutual Funds by jp130(m): 3:54pm On Jan 13
Stanbic also has a dedicated acct to your investment account. Any fund that enters it go straight to your MMF. This investment na long term. I no de even look am till I want top up
Re: Mutual Funds by freeman67: 8:09pm On Jan 13
Coolis:
Una don dey confuse person like this so, l been think say na only court them dey say he who must come to equity must come with a clean hands.

All these equity people, e don reach make una open una own thread. Na Abeg l dey oo, make una leave us with MMF. Equity people,, abeg make una open una own thread, make una leave us with MMF news, story and every other gist that has to do with MMF bikonu
Unfortunately, the thread is named Mutual Funds and the Equity Funds being discussed here is also a Mutual Fund.

EquityM:
I've started an equity investment forum. Anyone who trades equity is welcome to join; let's learn together and make money legally. May God give us wisdom. Thank you, everyone, and goodbye.
There actually no need for this because all issues of Funds can Still be discussed here. Equity Funds is also a Mutual Funds. Main Equity as in stock or share is discussed here: https://www.nairaland.com/1131485/nigerian-stock-exchange-market-pick

That there wey we dey for equity update as we dey do am small small for ourselves.
Re: Mutual Funds by doggedfighter(f): 10:41pm On Jan 13
jejet1:
Consider doing a living trust rather than s Will...
It will save your beneficiaries a lot of legal processes
I was in Stanbic earlier today concerning this living trust. First explained to the customer who directed me to their insurance desk . Upon explaining,the insurance desk directed me to their relationship staff. I kept explaining,the guy appears not to know what it's all about or how it works.
He made enquiries and was telling me about trust fund. I said nope and he said they told him it may be trustees that I am enquiring about and I said nope.

Jejet1, what do you think ?

Iamblessed88, have you made enquiries concerning the living trust ?
If yes, you had a better outcome ?
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