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Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by sonmvayina(op): 9:57am On Jan 13
MightySparrow:
They did have to live in any of these places. Socrates, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Nebuchadnezzar, all lived before Christ and have mentions in history their legacies and historical records among their people's cannot be forgotten. Jesus Christ also cannot. His philosophy was taken to Europe, Americas, Rome and changed everything.. He became a landmark and threshold of history. Why would people like Paul, Peter,early church Fathers prefer to be matyred for a non- existent person?

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
2 Peter 1:16-18
does this means you can't tell when somebody is trying to deceive you?
what do people say when they want to cheat and lie?
well, it's all myths and legend.
God us consciousness.....not a jew up in the sky. All the stories are allegorical. you have to read it and learn the messages they contain. NOT BELIEVE IT.
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by sonmvayina(op): 10:04am On Jan 13
tctrills:
You are saying that the testimony of his apostles should not be regarded as historic records because they were not professional historians?
Who are you to decide whom's record qualify as historic works.
State your academy reasons why the testimony of Matthew, Mark Luke and John are not accepted as Historic records but the records on Alexander the great should be accepted?
Please give pure accepted academy/scholarstic reason not just your opinion.

Why do you think that John for example is not qualified to keep historical records about Jesus Christ?
which apostles? is Dambuldore evidenve for voldermont or Harry potter. if Jesus is not real, same goes for the so called apostles. They are all characters in the same story.
The fact that the Gospel are written in the first person shows they where not written by eye witnesses
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MightySparrow: 10:44am On Jan 13
sonmvayina:
does this means you can't tell when somebody is trying to deceive you?
what do people say when they want to cheat and lie?
well, it's all myths and legend.
God us consciousness.....not a jew up in the sky. All the stories are allegorical. you have to read it and learn the messages they contain. NOT BELIEVE IT.
I think I have been deceived all my life. I read science, I have not seen an atom or an electron before or how they are combined in chemicals. The told me who did what and what laws, I believed them. They told me about my ancestors, I believe though not knowing my grandfather's name. I believe.

Another history that is global talks about Adam, Eve, Socrates, Hitler, Napoleon Bonaparte, Fredrick Handel, Joseph Stalin, Emmanuel Kang, Samuel Longfellow, Nostradamus, Gatama Buddha.
I believe.


I believe, in the same vein, that Jesus existed and still powerfully exists.

What then would be my justification not to believe in lies?

Ii have always believed in lies including the one you are telling now.
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by tctrills: 10:54am On Jan 13
sonmvayina:
which apostles? is Dambuldore evidenve for voldermont or Harry potter. if Jesus is not real, same goes for the so called apostles. They are all characters in the same story.
The fact that the Gospel are written in the first person shows they where not written by eye witnesses
But you can say the same for Callisthenes of Olynthus: Alexander's official campaign historian. Alexander the great is probably a work of friction according to your logic.
Ptolemy I Soter, Nearchus, Aristobulus of Cassandreia, Onesicritus, and all the others who penned down theworks of Alexander the Great could be seen as made up by your standards.

The same goes for Pharaoh Narmer; you can consider him and all we know about him to be fiction.

How about Qin Shi Huang, don't you think he is the voldermont of China? Why should anyone believe that he or the historians who wrote about him are real?

Please show that the 3 historical examples above are not creations of friction. I want to see your logic here
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 4:17pm On Jan 13
MaxInDHouse:
YES!
He sent us out to engage everyone in discussion about FAITH! Matthew 28:19-20
So i'm here just for that!🙂
Amazing! You really think Christ would be on a platform wholly owned by a self-proclaimed atheist??!! Wow, you must not be talking of Jesus of the NT. Mention one thing of Rome Jesus participated in, would not even touch the money!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:42pm On Jan 13
QuinQ:
Amazing! You really think Christ would be on a platform wholly owned by a self-proclaimed atheist??!! Wow, you must not be talking of Jesus of the NT. Mention one thing of Rome Jesus participated in, would not even touch the money!
It's really disheartening when people try to accuse someone for being honest with them.
I told you that you can't find any of my posts outside the faith section so if i don't respond to your invitation don't be offended or think that i don't like you.

But what have you turned it to?
It's as if i committed a crime responding to your invitation.

Well Jesus only get in touch with people outside his group when it comes to the matter of faith.
That's exactly what i'm doing here! smiley
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 4:49pm On Jan 14
MaxInDHouse:
It's really disheartening when people try to accuse someone for being honest with them.
I told you that you can't find any of my posts outside the faith section so if i don't respond to your invitation don't be offended or think that i don't like you.

But what have you turned it to?
It's as if i committed a crime responding to your invitation.

Well Jesus only get in touch with people outside his group when it comes to the matter of faith.
That's exactly what i'm doing here! smiley
This has nothing at all to do with commenting on my thread. I did not expect you to comment. I only included your moniker just llike others.
The issue is that you said you're doing it because that's what Jesus would have done, and that is NOT true. Christ did not even interact with Gentiles. Jesus would never have been on a platform like this!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:25pm On Jan 14
QuinQ:
This has nothing at all to do with commenting on my thread. I did not expect you to comment. I only included your moniker just llike others.
The issue is that you said you're doing it because that's what Jesus would have done, and that is NOT true. Christ did not even interact with Gentiles. Jesus would never have been on a platform like this!
If not because of matters relating to faith do you think someone like you can have the opportunity to talk to me?

Well i'm here talking to all kinds of people because of faith and of course Jesus interacted with gentiles a lot due to their faith!🙂
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 9:21pm On Jan 14
MaxInDHouse:
If not because of matters relating to faith do you think someone like you can have the opportunity to talk to me?

Well i'm here talking to all kinds of people because of faith and of course Jesus interacted with gentiles a lot due to their faith!🙂
Stop being dishonest with YOURSELF. It is perfectly ok just don't say it is because that's what jesus would have done. The Lord would never have been found anywhere near a platform wholy owned by an atheist. On what basis exactly?!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:07pm On Jan 14
QuinQ:
On what basis exactly?!
Section is titled "Christianity Etc" which means the atheist is inviting those who knows about Christ so Jesus will surely love to teach them what Christianity is all about just as he did with Pharisees!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 11:33pm On Jan 14
MaxInDHouse:
Section is titled "Christianity Etc" which means the atheist is inviting those who knows about Christ so Jesus will surely love to teach them what Christianity is all about just as he did with Pharisees!
Pharisees were Jews and worshipped in same Synagogue as Himself. They were not atheists and He went to a platform wholly owned by them everyday!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:52am On Jan 15
Obviously you don't know the meaning of John 3:16 which says "God love the world (including atheists) so much"

God's Temple does not belong to the Pharisees all Jews have equal right inside it but despite their deceitful teachings {Matthew 16:6,12} Jesus still honor the invitation of Pharisees {Luke 7:36} mainly to teach sincere ones like Nicodemus among them {John 3:1-2} even though they are worshiping Satan unknowingly! John 8:44
These guys claiming atheists only knows the lies Christendom Churches taught them that's what they always complain about if any of them focus on Jehovah's Witnesses Organization there wouldn't be anything to argue about but when they say "Christians" they are accusing all Bible users whereas they need to know the differences.

Listen to an atheist:

HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest.
But out of frustration he doesn't want to have anything to do with faith in Christ or God anymore because of all the things they had experienced not among Jehovah's Witnesses but in the churches of Christendom.

So to show them love i am here as they want to know the truth about Christianity but when they divert to any other thing i exempt myself just as Jesus would do!🙂

QuinQ:
Pharisees were Jews and worshipped in same Synagogue as Himself. They were not atheists and He went to a platform wholly owned by them everyday!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 9:19am On Jan 15
MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't know the meaning of John 3:16 which says "God love the world (including atheists) so much"

God's Temple does not belong to the Pharisees all Jews have equal right inside it but despite their deceitful teachings {Matthew 16:6,12} Jesus still honor the invitation of Pharisees {Luke 7:36} mainly to teach sincere ones like Nicodemus among them {John 3:1-2} even though they are worshiping Satan unknowingly! John 8:44
These guys claiming atheists only knows the lies Christendom Churches taught them that's what they always complain about if any of them focus on Jehovah's Witnesses Organization there wouldn't be anything to argue about but when they say "Christians" they are accusing all Bible users whereas they need to know the differences.

Listen to an atheist:



But out of frustration he doesn't want to have anything to do with faith in Christ or God anymore because of all the things they had experienced not among Jehovah's Witnesses but in the churches of Christendom.

So to show them love i am here as they want to know the truth about Christianity but when they divert to any other thing i exempt myself just as Jesus would do!🙂
Priblem is, your understanding of the Person of Lord Jesus seems limited or confused. He went to synagogue to teach, a place He called "my Father's house". Mention one instance where he went to a pagan or Roman equivalent of synagogue (temple) to teach
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:59am On Jan 15
This is not a temple o it's called "SOCIAL MEDIA" with different features since it includes a section having to do with the Christian faith Jesus will surely be interested! smiley

QuinQ:
Priblem is, your understanding of the Person of Lord Jesus seems limited or confused. He went to synagogue to teach, a place He called "my Father's house". Mention one instance where he went to a pagan or Roman equivalent of synagogue (temple) to teach
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 11:04am On Jan 15
MaxInDHouse:
This is not a temple o it's called "SOCIAL MEDIA" with different features since it includes a section having to do with the Christian faith Jesus will surely be interested! smiley
It is not about social media, and it is not that what you're doing is wrong. It is about you saying what you're doing on NL is what Jesus would have done. There are things Christ would never do no matter what. One of them is going to Jupiter temple even if they have a section for Christians. Another is going on NL everyday, knowing fully well it is founded and wholly owned by an atheist!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:14pm On Jan 15
For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten Son! John 3:16a

God gave us Jesus not to only Jews so he must speak with people no matter what you think and he can enter any house as long as the householder invites or welcome him.

If i want to do anything else apart from faith it must be with Jehovah's Witnesses the only thing i do here is talk about FAITH! smiley

QuinQ:
It is not about social media, and it is not that what you're doing is wrong. It is about you saying what you're doing on NL is what Jesus would have done. There are things Christ would never do no matter what. One of them is going to Jupiter temple even if they have a section for Christians. Another is going on NL everyday, knowing fully well it is founded and wholly owned by an atheist!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 3:15pm On Jan 15
MaxInDHouse:
For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten Son! John 3:16a

God gave us Jesus not to only Jews so he must speak with people no matter what you think and he can enter any house as long as the householder invites or welcome him.

If i want to do anything else apart from faith it must be with Jehovah's Witnesses the only thing i do here is talk about FAITH! smiley
You can do whatever you wish eith whoever you wish, just don't say that's what Jesus would have done. Who invited you to NL? There are things Jesus would NEVER do. Participating in NL as you are doing is one of them!🙃
(His knowing it is also run by an atheist pushes it beyond impossibility)
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:28pm On Jan 15
You can't dictate what i should or shouldn't say i'm here because that is exactly what Jesus will do.

Calling for Christianity has automatically invited me! smiley

QuinQ:
You can do whatever you wish eith whoever you wish, just don't say that's what Jesus would have done. Who invited you to NL? There are things Jesus would NEVER do. Participating in NL as you are doing is one of them!🙃
(His knowing it is also run by an atheist pushes it beyond impossibility)
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 3:38pm On Jan 15
MaxInDHouse:
You can't dictate what i should or shouldn't say i'm here because that is exactly what Jesus will do.

Calling for Christianity has automatically invited me! smiley
How come you don't attend any of these churches that call for Christianity, hypocrite! grin
Nobody is dictating anything. I've severally said nothing is wrong with what you're doing.
Just stop lying that that's what the Lord would have done!😗
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:56pm On Jan 15
Have you forgotten that i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Obviously you just don't want to hear the truth!🙂

QuinQ:
How come you don't attend any of these churches that call for Christianity, hypocrite! grin
Nobody is dictating anything. I've severally said nothing is wrong with what you're doing.
Just stop lying that that's what the Lord would have done!😗
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 4:34pm On Jan 15
MaxInDHouse:
Have you forgotten that i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Obviously you just don't want to hear the truth!🙂
Meaning what exactly?
Bottom line, under no circumstances would Jesus have been participating in atheist-run NL as you religiously do!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:40pm On Jan 15
You can't decide for Jesus because he was sent for the salvation of all kinds of people!🙂

QuinQ:
Meaning what exactly?
Bottom line, under no circumstances would Jesus have been participating in atheist-run NL as you religiously do!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 4:49pm On Jan 15
MaxInDHouse:
You can't decide for Jesus because he was sent for the salvation of all kinds of people!🙂
For example, we can be sure Jesus would NOT have been attending JW churches if they were around!🙃
You were asked how "i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses" permits you to only participate in NL but not any other thing that calls for Christianity🤭
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:29pm On Jan 15
We don't call our place of worship "CHURCH" rather we call it "KINGDOM HALL" so you can't expect a JW to attend your churches nah!🙂

QuinQ:
For example, we can be sure Jesus would NOT have been attending JW churches if they were around!🙃
You were asked how "i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses" permits you to only participate in NL but not any other thing that calls for Christianity🤭
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 5:46pm On Jan 15
MaxInDHouse:
We don't call our place of worship "CHURCH" rather we call it "KINGDOM HALL" so you can't expect a JW to attend your churches nah!🙂
Neither will you attend anything else that "calls for Christians" EXCEPT atheist-run NL, hypocrite!🤪
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:01pm On Jan 15
When i'm going to the Kingdom Hall come and stop me nah!😂

There is a huge difference between those obeying God and those claiming they believe God! Matthew 7:13-14

QuinQ:
Neither will you attend anything else that "calls for Christians" EXCEPT atheist-run NL, hypocrite!🤪

Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 7:28pm On Jan 15
MaxInDHouse:
When i'm going to the Kingdom Hall come and stop me nah!😂

There is a huge difference between those obeying God and those claiming they believe God! Matthew 7:13-14
Oga just stop saying Jesus would have been participating in NL the way you are!
Also tell us what else outside JW that "calls for Christians" which you attend as religiously as you attend atheist-run NL🤨
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:51pm On Jan 15
You won't tell me what to do or what not to do and of course Jesus will always be in a place where people love to hear the word of God so if he's around today he will surely come to Nairaland.

As Christians there is none outside the walls of the Kingdom Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses so if there is any other forum where people speak freely about faith in Christ i will be there but as for churches of Christendom you people aren't ready for the truth that's why we will never ever enter your churches! Matthew 10:17 🙂

QuinQ:
Oga just stop saying Jesus would have been participating in NL the way you are! Also tell us what else outside JW that "calls for Christians" which you attend as religiously as you attend atheist-run NL🤨
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 9:07pm On Jan 15
MaxInDHouse:
You won't tell me what to do or what not to do and of course Jesus will always be in a place where people love to hear the word of God so if he's around today he will surely come to Nairaland.

As Christians there is none outside the walls of the Kingdom Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses so if there is any other forum where people speak freely about faith in Christ i will be there but as for churches of Christendom you people aren't ready for the truth that's why we will never ever enter your churches! Matthew 10:17 🙂
So people on NL love to hear the word of God but churches don't!
So NL is the only platform where people speak freely about faith in Christ?
Wehdone
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by DeepSight(m): 9:29pm On Jan 15
MaxInDHouse:
You won't tell me what to do or what not to do and of course Jesus will always be in a place where people love to hear the word of God so if he's around today he will surely come to Nairaland.

As Christians there is none outside the walls of the Kingdom Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses so if there is any other forum where people speak freely about faith in Christ i will be there but as for churches of Christendom you people aren't ready for the truth that's why we will never ever enter your churches! Matthew 10:17 🙂
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What admirable humility.
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:51pm On Jan 15
QuinQ:
So people on NL love to hear the word of God but churches don't!
So NL is the only platform where people speak freely about faith in Christ?
Wehdone.
Can you say half of what you are saying here in the presence of your pastors?

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself it's only the pastors in fact church owners that's free to say whatever they wish but as for you guys it's only on Nairaland that you guys speak up against the teachings of your own churches that's why you can't mention the name of your churches unlike i who boasts before anyone that i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses!🙂
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