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So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For WHATEVER the Father does, the Son also does. John 5:19

What does "WHATEVER" mean as used above?

AntiChristian:
So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For WHATEVER the Father does, the Son also does. John 5:19

What does "WHATEVER" mean as used above?

Means he is the replication of God on earth

Trustme2:
Means he is the replication of God on earth

By replica you mean "an exact copy" of God right?

If yes, did the father weep for Jesus to weep? John 11:35 - Jesus wept

AntiChristian:
By replica you mean "an exact copy" of God right?

If yes, did the father weep for Jesus to weep? John 11:35 - Jesus wept

When you dont know anyting, ask those that knows to tell you.

John 11:55 was in sight on Jesus quoting Psalm 22 and in furtherance Psalm 31 to signify that he has fulfilled the scripture.

obiekunie01:
When you dont know anyting, ask those that knows to tell you.

John 11:55 was in sight on Jesus quoting Psalm 22 and in furtherance Psalm 31 to signify that he has fulfilled the scripture.

So John lied that Jesus wept in that verse? Or what do you mean?

There is difference in the Realms or Planes of existence. If you must exist on planet Earth 🌏 as physical human beings then emotions and events must happen. It's a Natural Law.

Read it AGAIN.

AntiChristian:
So John lied that Jesus wept in that verse? Or what do you mean?

You need to go SPIRITUAL before you can understand the Power of God in the Bible.

Being AntiChristian by name has already placed you in DARKNESS. Jesus is the LIGHT

Jesus perfectly reflects his father's qualities!

AntiChristian:
By replica you mean "an exact copy" of God right?
If yes, did the father weep for Jesus to weep? John 11:35 - Jesus wept

Tears comes when one is deeply grieved this means the dying condition affecting faithful servants of God makes God really sad so each time a servant of God dies it saddens God's heart because He takes glory in the living and not the dead! Luke 20:38

When Lazarus (a faithful disciple of Christ) died Jehovah is feeling exactly as Jesus felt so since we can see sadness in the face of humans and Jesus is human it becomes obvious that he is deeply grieved each time a servant of God dies.

Read what observers said about the event:

“Look! He loved Lazarus very much!” John 11:36

But some of them said,


“Jesus healed the eyes of the blind man. Why didn’t he help Lazarus and stop him from dying?” John 11:37

In Yorùbá adage it's said that when an elderly man is talking and sweating he is crying inside of him. So YES the true God is crying bitterly inside whenever a faithful person dies therefore He is eagerly anticipating the time when they will be brought back to life! Job 14:13-15

May you have peace!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Tears comes when one is deeply grieved this means the dying condition affecting faithful servants of God makes God really sad so each time a servant of God dies it saddens God's heart because He takes glory in the living and not the dead! Luke 20:38

When Lazarus (a faithful disciple of Christ) died Jehovah is feeling exactly as Jesus felt so since we can see sadness in the face of humans and Jesus is human it becomes obvious that he is deeply grieved each time a servant of God dies.

Read what observers said about the event:

“Look! He loved Lazarus very much!” John 11:36

But some of them said,


“Jesus healed the eyes of the blind man. Why didn’t he help Lazarus and stop him from dying?” John 11:37

In Yorùbá adage it's said that when an elderly man is talking and sweating he is crying inside of him. So YES the true God is crying bitterly inside whenever a faithful person dies therefore He is eagerly anticipating the time when they will be brought back to life! Job 14:13-15

May you have peace!🙂

You are oversimplifying things than what was presented in the Bible! Jesus did cry! Did Jehovah too wept?

TooMuchStuff:
You need to go SPIRITUAL before you can understand the Power of God in the Bible.

Being AntiChristian by name has already placed you in DARKNESS. Jesus is the LIGHT

People do say this when they have nothing else to say!

If you are spiritual then tell us if God wept before Jesus according to the verse in the OP!

AntiChristian:
You are over simplifying things than what was presented in the Bible! Jesus did cry! Did Jehovah too wept?

You've gotten the answer you seek!

You may insist on complicating issues for yourself but as one of His Witnesses it's my duty to simplify it for you that is if you will appreciate it!🙂

According to John 5:19, whatever does not mean that because the Son is God, he does everything God does. It suggests that the Son only acts in total dependence on and submission to the Father, doing whatever the Father permits. John 5:26, Life is given to the Son, John 5:30, I can do nothing of myself, and John 5:36, "Works are assigned by the Father,should all be taken into consideration when understanding this.

May we have appropriate understanding.

AntiChristian:
People do say this when they have nothing else to say!

If you are spiritual then tell us if God wept before Jesus according to the verse in the OP!

God is a spirit and not man. If spirit laughs or smiles or cries and it's not recorded in the holy writ, how would you know ? Jesus Christ came down as a man with natural tendencies of food, sleep, laughs or weep.
Islam depiction of Allah is exactly what SATAN is depicted in the Bible.

AntiChristian:
By replica you mean "an exact copy" of God right?

If yes, did the father weep for Jesus to weep? John 11:35 - Jesus wept

Yes, you are right, just like His Father, Jesus Christ has and exhibits emotions. They are Gods not robots

NO!
It simply means Jesus has made himself the exact phototype of God through his thoughts, words and actions.

I have been into Islam for many and i've heard many clerics calling humans "sons of Satan" this doesn't mean such a person was born literally by Satan but because the person exhibits Satan's attributes. So what Jesus meant is he always imitate God in all the things he does!

honesttalk21:
According to John 5:19, whatever does not mean that because the Son is God, he does everything God does. It suggests that the Son only acts in total dependence on and submission to the Father, doing whatever the Father permits. John 5:26, Life is given to the Son, John 5:30, I can do nothing of myself, and John 5:36, "Works are assigned by the Father,should all be taken into consideration when understanding this.

May we have appropriate understanding.

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
It simply means Jesus has made himself the exact phototype of God through his thoughts, words and actions.

I have been into Islam for many and i've heard many clerics calling humans "sons of Satan" this doesn't mean such a person was born literally by Satan but because the person exhibits Satan's attributes. So what Jesus meant is he always imitate God in all the things he does!

You are correct when you say that the Semitic language frequently refers to imitation rather than essence. However, John 5:19 does not teach that Jesus is God for precisely this reason. The Greek is unambiguous that the Son can do nothing from himself refers to a lack of autonomous power rather than free will. Any action taken by the father equates to dependent action rather than power. Similarly, (homoios) are not of the same nature in correspondence. Jesus wouldn't need to say can do nothing of himself if he was just referring to moral imitation. Instead of defining divinity, the verse defines agency and dependence. Jesus does, in fact, mimic God. However, he acts as a sent agent rather than as God.

So that is why he (Jesus) was called God's Son by his friends! Matthew 16:16

No prophet could be like Jesus who got that perfect imitation of his heavenly father!

honesttalk21:
You are correct when you say that the Semitic language frequently refers to imitation rather than essence. However, John 5:19 does not teach that Jesus is God for precisely this reason. The Greek is unambiguous that the Son can do nothing from himself refers to a lack of autonomous power rather than free will. Any action taken by the father equates to dependent action rather than power. Similarly, (homoios) are not of the same nature in correspondence. Jesus wouldn't need to say can do nothing of himself if he was just referring to moral imitation. Instead of defining divinity, the verse defines agency and dependence. Jesus does, in fact, mimic God. However, he acts as a sent agent rather than as God.

Trustme2:
➜Means he is the replication of God on earth

Wrong! The Father is YHWH, the God of Israel, and His nation over which He does everything is Israel. Jesus Christ of Israel is the King in the Kingdom of God— His nation— and whatever His Father does in Israel, He too does in the Kingdom of God. Additionally, as the eternal King of Israel, He will not change a word of that which His Father has stipulated in His Law to Israel. Jesus Christ of Israel, the eternal King of Israel, will not change a single term of the contract that YHWH made with the people of Israel. 🥱🥱🥱

Whatever His Father before Him has established to do, He, Jesus Christ of Israel, will do, and nothing different, ever! 🥱🥱🥱

MaxInDHouse:
So that is why he (Jesus) was called God's Son by his friends! Matthew 16:16

No prophet could be like Jesus who got that perfect imitation of his heavenly father!

Somewhat absolutely as his friends saw him as God's Son because he embodied and fulfilled the Father's will perfectly. This title acknowledges Jesus' special role without implying that he shares the same essence as God

If you say he doesn't share the same essence as God then you got it wrong because all angels are spirit creatures they all share the same essence with God as spirit beings and that is what Jesus was in the beginning of creation! John 1:1-2
What you should say is that he is not the Almighty God but as for being one of the Gods (spirit sons of God in heaven) Jesus is one of them before his earthly mission!

honesttalk21:
Somewhat absolutely as his friends saw him as God's Son because he embodied and fulfilled the Father's will perfectly. This title acknowledges Jesus' special role without implying that he shares the same essence as God

MaxInDHouse:
So that is why he (Jesus) was called God's Son by his friends! Matthew 16:16

No prophet could be like Jesus who got that perfect imitation of his heavenly father!

Yet this same hypocrite once going up and down on this same forum to claim Moses and Jesus are comparable.

MaxInDHouse:
If you say he doesn't share the same essence as God then you got it wrong because all angels are spirit creatures they all share the same essence with God as spirit beings and that is what Jesus was in the beginning of creation! John 1:1-2
What you should say is that he is not the Almighty God but as for being one of the Gods (spirit sons of God in heaven) Jesus is one of them before his earthly mission!

Your argument fails due to a misunderstanding of the concept of essence. In traditional Jewish and Christian theology, God's essence is described as uncreated, eternal, and self-existent, while angels are considered created beings. Being a spirit does not imply that angels share in God's essence; if that were the case, it would also mean that Satan shares God's essence, which is illogical.

The Scriptures clearly state that angels are created (Psalm 104:4), while God alone is uncreated (Isaiah 44:24). God asserts, I am God, and there is no other, indicating there are no other gods (Isaiah 45:5). Referring to angels or Jesus as spirit sons of God is a functional description rather than a statement about their nature. In the Bible, Son of God signifies someone who is appointed, obedient, or a representative (as seen with Israel in Exodus 4:22 and judges in Psalm 82).

Regarding John 1:1–2, the term Logos refers to God's word or reason, not to a separate divine entity. The Greek text does not include the article before theos, which indicates a description of quality rather than identity. Verse 3 clarifies that everything was created through the Logos, which means the Logos cannot be another created god.

Your viewpoint leads to polytheism, suggesting multiple gods sharing the same essence, which is rejected by the Bible, Judaism, and Islam. Jesus is not one of the gods; rather, he is God's Messiah, empowered and sent by the one Almighty God.

You don't have to add salt and Maggi.

This is the meaning of the word "ESSENCE"

Inherent nature of a thing or idea.

True nature of anything, not accidental.

God is a spirit and angels are spirits too.

Satan is also one of them according to the Bible!

honesttalk21:
Your argument fails due to a misunderstanding of the concept of essence. In traditional Jewish and Christian theology, God's essence is described as uncreated, eternal, and self-existent, while angels are considered created beings. Being a spirit does not imply that angels share in God's essence; if that were the case, it would also mean that Satan shares God's essence, which is illogical.

The Scriptures clearly state that angels are created (Psalm 104:4), while God alone is uncreated (Isaiah 44:24). God asserts, I am God, and there is no other, indicating there are no other gods (Isaiah 45:5). Referring to angels or Jesus as spirit sons of God is a functional description rather than a statement about their nature. In the Bible, Son of God signifies someone who is appointed, obedient, or a representative (as seen with Israel in Exodus 4:22 and judges in Psalm 82).

Regarding John 1:1–2, the term Logos refers to God's word or reason, not to a separate divine entity. The Greek text does not include the article before theos, which indicates a description of quality rather than identity. Verse 3 clarifies that everything was created through the Logos, which means the Logos cannot be another created god.

Your viewpoint leads to polytheism, suggesting multiple gods sharing the same essence, which is rejected by the Bible, Judaism, and Islam. Jesus is not one of the gods; rather, he is God's Messiah, empowered and sent by the one Almighty God.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't have to add salt and Maggi.

This is the meaning of the word "ESSENCE"

Inherent nature of a thing or idea.

True nature of anything, not accidental.

God is a spirit and angels are spirits too.

Satan is also one of them according to the Bible!

In Judaism and Christianity, referring to God, angels, and Satan as spirits does not imply that they have the same nature; spirit is simply a descriptive term rather than an indication of shared identity. Angels and Satan are created beings, whereas God is uncreated, eternal, and self-sufficient. Similarly, Jesus, in his human form, is also created and does not possess God's uncreated essence. Islam takes this a step further by completely rejecting the notion of spirit in relation to Allah, asserting that Allah is not a spirit and is distinct from all of creation. Therefore, in a true monotheistic context, neither Satan, angels, nor Jesus can be equated with God.

honesttalk21:
In Judaism and Christianity, referring to God, angels, and Satan as spirits does not imply that they have the same nature; spirit is simply a descriptive term rather than an indication of shared identity. Angels and Satan are created beings, whereas God is uncreated, eternal, and self-sufficient. Similarly, Jesus, in his human form, is also created and does not possess God's uncreated essence. Islam takes this a step further by completely rejecting the notion of spirit in relation to Allah, asserting that Allah is not a spirit and is distinct from all of creation. Therefore, in a true monotheistic context, neither Satan, angels, nor Jesus can be equated with God.

Judaism is not the religion Moses or any of ancient Israel prophets practiced that is the religion apostate Jews started after their return from Babylon.

According to the prophets angels are Gods because they share same nature with God the only difference between the Almighty and angels is that angels could be destroyed {Psalms 82:1 & 6} but the only true God cannot be destroyed. But as regards nature they are all spirits that's why rebellious angels could deceive humans into worshiping them since they also have supernatural powers!🙂

tctrills:
Yes, you are right, just like His Father, Jesus Christ has and exhibits emotions. They are Gods not robots

God wept too!

TooMuchStuff:
God is a spirit and not man. If spirit laughs or smiles or cries and it's not recorded in the holy writ, how would you know ? Jesus Christ came down as a man with natural tendencies of food, sleep, laughs or weep.
Islam depiction of Allah is exactly what SATAN is depicted in the Bible.

Do you mean God was crying when Jesus wept?

MaxInDHouse:
You've gotten the answer you seek!

You may insist on complicating issues for yourself but as one of His Witnesses it's my duty to simplify it for you that is if you will appreciate it!🙂

That's why JW do misinterprete Bible verse out of context!

AntiChristian:
God wept too!

Does God have the ability to express emotions?
To get angry
To be happy
To talk
You and I are not to decide what God can or cannot do. We did not create Him He created us.

But then why are you uncomfortable with God showing emotions?
Why should this be a big deal to you?

AntiChristian:
That's why JW do misinterprete Bible verse out of context!

And you are relating well with those who are not JWs because they are interpreting Bible rightly!🙂