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Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by BUSHYANUS(m): 6:26pm On Feb 19
Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”


This is like saying

...As he was calling on the President and saying, " Mr. Buhari, have mercy on me."

What do you think?
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Enskynelson(m): 6:41pm On Feb 19
Aside this verse there are a lot more verses that supports this.
John1:1; John1:14;
John 10:30
John 8:58
Colosians 2:9
And lot more...

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Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Ihedinobi3: 7:57pm On Feb 19
BUSHYANUS:

Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”


This is like saying

...As he was calling on the President and saying, " Mr. Buhari, have mercy on me."

What do you think?

Hello.

Given that our spirits return to the Lord to answer to Him (Ecclesiastes 12:7), yes, this prayer of Stephen's means that he believed that Jesus is God.

However, there is far more concrete evidence of the Deity of Jesus Christ in the Bible.

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Heb 1:6 — Heb 1:12 (KJV)

The above is just one of the many pieces of evidence.

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Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Jones4190(m): 8:22pm On Feb 19
John 14:28 (NIV)

“You heard me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

the term ‘greater’ hare mean “someone who holds a greater status or office.” For example, your boss is greater than you; the president is greater than the vice president.
Jesus is equal with the Father in essence, in nature, and in character, but the Father is greater than Jesus in function, office, and position.  

When Jesus says the ‘Father is greater than I.’ The context shows that Jesus is not speaking in terms of His essential being and nature of God – but rather functionally; He is speaking of the mission and work of God. 

We never see Jesus sending the Father to do anything; that is simply not His function within the work of the Godhead. It is the Father who sends the son – and it is to the Father’s side that the Son will return by this understanding it's right to says that Jesus has a supreme leader ( God the father) and It is in that functional sense that the Father is ‘greater
conclusively:
JESUS IS EQUAL WITH THE FATHER IN ESSENCE, IN NATURE, AND IN CHARACTER, BUT THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN JESUS IN FUNCTION, IN OFFICE, AND IN POSITION.

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Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Kingdomtruth: 9:20pm On Feb 19
[quote author=Jones4190 post=99233515]John 14:28 (NIV)

“You heard me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

the term ‘greater’ hare mean “someone who holds a greater status or office.” For example, your boss is greater than you; the president is greater than the vice president.
Jesus is equal with the Father in essence, in nature, and in character, but the Father is greater than Jesus in function, office, and position.  

When Jesus says the ‘Father is greater than I.’ The context shows that Jesus is not speaking in terms of His essential being and nature of God – but rather functionally; He is speaking of the mission and work of God. 

We never see Jesus sending the Father to do anything; that is simply not His function within the work of the Godhead. It is the Father who sends the son – and it is to the Father’s side that the Son will return by this understanding it's right to says that Jesus has a supreme leader ( God the father) and It is in that functional sense that the Father is ‘greater
conclusively:
JESUS IS EQUAL WITH THE FATHER IN ESSENCE, IN NATURE, AND IN CHARACTER, BUT THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN JESUS IN FUNCTION, IN OFFICE, AND IN POSITION.


So apt bro...plus the Father is the source of the son's life through His spirit (holy spirit) in the son

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Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:16am On Feb 20
Stephen saw TWO persons {John 17:3} God and Jesus at God's right hand {Act 7:56} Stephen was one of Jesus' disciples when Jesus walked the earth so he knew the person he saw face to face, that's why he focused on the person he knew very well between the two persons he saw!

Jesus himself told one of his disciples "i am going to my father WHO IS ALSO YOUR FATHER and my God WHO IS ALSO YOUR GOD" John 20:17 smiley

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Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by orisa37: 7:54am On Feb 20
Someone sees The Excellence of the Presidency and Osinbajo, A SENIOR ADVOCATE OF NIGERIA, ADVOCATING THERE IN, AND PRAYS, LORD Osinbajo HANDLE MY ISSUE. THIS FELLOW DOESN'T SEE BUHARI IN THE MAJESTY OF THE PRESIDENCY. HE ONLY SEES THE MAJESTY, THE PERFECTION AND THE EXCELLENCE.
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by orisa37: 8:06am On Feb 20
THIS IS NOT ABRACADABRA. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MAGNIFICENT CHRIST IN HIS GLORY AND REVERENCE.
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by orisa37: 8:22am On Feb 20
TRINITY IS GOD IN ACTIONS AND FEELINGS. IT'S SPIRIT INTERACTIONS AND THINKINGS. IT'S PHYSICAL MOVEMENTS AND REASONINGS IN JESUS. THIS IS WHY WE ARE ALL JESUSES IN THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by gideonjeta(m): 2:25pm On Feb 20
BUSHYANUS:

Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”


This is like saying

...As he was calling on the President and saying, " Mr. Buhari, have mercy on me."

What do you think?

Acts 7:59 does not indicate that Jesus is God himself. The Bible shows that prayer is to be directed only to Jehovah God. Seeing Jesus in vision, Stephen apparently felt free to appeal to him directly, saying: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” Stephen knew that Jesus had been given authority to raise the dead. (John 5:27-29) So Stephen asked, or appealed to, Jesus to safeguard his life force until the resurrection.
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 2:59pm On Feb 20
Enskynelson:
Aside this verse there are a lot more verses that supports this.
John1:1; John1:14;
John 10:30
John 8:58
Colosians 2:9
And lot more...

None of the verses support your claim.
John 1:1, God spoke the word "let there be light", there came to be light" before that statement, did Light exist?
Is Light God?
When God had not spoke "the Word", did that person (the Word) exist?

John 1:14, the Word,a spirit being became flesh, so what ?
John 1:18, John5:37 , John 6:46 ,did Jesus tell you "my God & your God" (John 20:17 became flesh? grin cheesy

John 10:30 = John 17:22,23.
John 8:18 who is the Father that sent your "I am" of John 8:58?
John 8:19, who is the Father of your Almighty "I am"?

Exodus 3:14-15, Acts3:13,please tell this forum why your "I am" is the servant/son of "I am " ,himself?

Colossians 2:9= Colossians 2:10 " the same fullness" dwells in the disciples.
You must apply your claim on verse 9 to the disciples in verse 10. Do you agree the disciples is God?

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Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 3:16pm On Feb 20
BUSHYANUS:

Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”


This is like saying

...As he was calling on the President and saying, " Mr. Buhari, have mercy on me."

What do you think?

Your KJV Bible DUBIOUSLY inserted "God" into Acts 7:59.

Take note of that fraud.( Screenshot evidence)
Stephen saw Jesus at the right hand of God.
Also, note the implications of Stephen's statement- Jesus is not God Almighty.

Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 3:27pm On Feb 20
https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/Psalms/chapter45/6

Your throne is God forever and ever.
A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. Bible
“Your throne is God forever and ever.” This verse is quoted in Hebrews 1:8. Another similar and strong possibility for the translation is “Your throne is from God,” or “Your throne is a throne of God” (The Expositor's Bible Commentary).


Your throne is God forever” means that God is the authority, the “throne” of the king, and the king reigns with the authority of God. This king, and by extension the Messiah, the true king of Israel, has been graced and blessed by God (Ps. 45:2). In that light, it is appropriate that this king recognizes that God is the source of his kingly authority, which is the point of Psalm 45:9. Psalm 45 is a royal wedding psalm for a Davidic king, perhaps even Solomon, and by extension, some of it applies to the Messiah. He is called “the king” and “Solomon” in this commentary entry for ease of understanding, but another Davidic king may be in mind (see commentary on Ps. 45:9, “the queen”).

The Hebrew text of Psalm 45:6 is open to a number of different interpretations and translations. Allen Ross writes: “…there are at least five plausible interpretations” (Kregel Exegetical Library: A Commentary on the Psalms, Vol. 2). Given the possible translations, we may never be able to say, “This is the single correct interpretation,” but we can give evidence for what seems to be the most viable translation and interpretation.

To understand Psalm 45:6, we must first learn some facts about it. For example, the speaker is the psalmist, not God. The psalmist speaks about God in the third person, for example, “God has blessed you forever” (Ps. 45:2), and “God has anointed you” (Ps. 45:7). Some people think God is the speaker, but the text argues against that. Also, the psalm is a “dual prophecy” psalm. The subject of the psalm is the king of Israel, both the Davidic king who reigns on David’s throne (likely Solomon), who marries and has children (see commentary on Ps. 45:9) and also the Messiah, the “greater David” who will eventually inherit the throne forever. Thus, some verses in the psalm more clearly point to the Messiah while others more clearly point to the Davidic king, such as the ones about him having a queen, being married and having sons.

Scriptures that have dual fulfillments occur in a number of places in the Bible. For example, God’s promise to David about his throne applies most immediately to Solomon but also applies to the Messiah (2 Sam. 7:11-14). Isaiah gave a prophecy that was fulfilled in the time of Ahaz but also applied to the Messiah (Isa. 7:14). Hosea 11:1 applied both to Israel and Jesus.

Trinitarians generally claim that Psalm 45:6 (and Heb. 1:8 where it is quoted) is one of the stronger verses in the Bible showing that Jesus is God, but the evidence does not support their claim. However, since many English versions translate the verse in a way that supports Trinitarian doctrine, it is fitting to address that idea first. It is worth pointing out that Psalm 45 was God’s revelation to the Jews to inform them about their king, and the Jews read the Psalm for centuries and knew it was ultimately about their Messiah, but never concluded that the Messiah was “God in the flesh” or part of a Triune God. That the Jews knew that Psalm 45 ultimately referred to their Messiah is preserved in their writing. For example, the Targum (an Aramaic commentary on the Old Testament) interprets Psalm 45:2 as, “Thy beauty, O king Messiah, is greater than that of the sons of men” (Alfred Edersheim, The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., Grand Rapids, MI. Part two, p. 718). So if God gave the revelation to His people to tell them the Messiah would be God, His effort was an epic failure, and that is good evidence that the psalm is not saying the Messiah was God in the flesh[/b].

Most Trinitarians say that God is the speaker in Psalm 45:6, and the verse should be translated as, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.” In doing that they assert that God (assumed to be the Father) is addressing the Messiah and referring to him as “God” (assumed to be “God the Son”). But that interpretation does not fit the theology of the Old Testament or the Bible as a whole, and it does not fit the internal evidence in the psalm itself.

As we saw above, the speaker of the psalm is not God, but the psalmist. So this verse is not “God the Father” speaking to “God the Son.” Also, the Old Testament says in many places the Messiah would be a man, the servant of God (cp. the “servant songs” in Isaiah), and there are a number of statements in Psalm 45 that show that the king in the psalm is not God, but is a human being. For example, Psalm 45:2 says, “You are the most beautiful of the sons of men,” thus identifying him as a human by using the common idiom for a human, “son of man,” and then going on to say, “God has blessed you forever.” In saying that this “son of man” (human being) has been blessed by God, the psalm gives even more evidence that the king being referred to is not God. There is no evidence in Scripture for God being blessed by God, and there does not seem to be a reason or need for that, but humans do need to be blessed by God and are often so blessed in Scripture.

Furthermore, since Psalm 45 contains dual prophecies (as we saw above), and Psalm 45:6-7 apply both to Solomon and the Messiah, if the verse is calling the king “God,” then that would make both Solomon and the Messiah God, which is untenable, and there is no internal reason to apply Psalm 45:6 to the Messiah without verse 7 applying to the same king. That would be eisegesis, reading into the verse to make it fit one’s theology. If the psalm is calling the Messiah “God,” then the Davidic king is also God. Robert Alter, in The Hebrew Bible: A Translation with Commentary, translates Psalm 45:7 as “Your throne of God is forevermore,” and he writes in the commentary, “Some construe the Hebrew here to mean, ‘Your throne, O God,” but it would be anomalous to have an address to God in the middle of the poem because the entire psalm is directed the king or to his bride.”

More evidence that the psalm is speaking of a human king is in Psalm 45:7, which says, “You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of exultation above your peers.” That the text calls God, “your God,” i.e., the king’s God, shows that the king is inferior to God. “God” does not have a God.

Furthermore, the king’s God “anointed” him, setting him above his “peers.” This is evidence against a Trinitarian interpretation of the verse for a number of reasons. One is that “God” does not have any peers to be set above, whereas the human king of Israel, including the Messiah, does have peers. The Messiah, Jesus Christ, did have peers because he was completely human and not a God-man as Trinitarian theology asserts
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 3:57pm On Feb 20
Ihedinobi3:


Hello.

Given that our spirits return to the Lord to answer to Him (Ecclesiastes 12:7), yes, this prayer of Stephen's means that he believed that Jesus is God.

However, there is far more concrete evidence of the Deity of Jesus Christ in the Bible.

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Heb 1:6 — Heb 1:12 (KJV)

The above is just one of the many pieces of evidence.

*Hebrew 1:8 is a word for word quote of Psalms 45:6.

* The founding fathers of the Trinity,who gave the world "ATHANASIAN CREED"-the Catholic Church their New Jerusalem Bible, Psalms 45:6 disproves your claim on Hebrew 1:8.

* The Hebrew Masoretic Psalms 45:6 text debunks Trinitarian twist of Hebrews 1:8.

* Revised English Version (also known as the Revised Standard Version) is a publication of Trinitarians like yourself. grin cheesy

https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/Psalms/chapter45/6

Psalm 45:6..
Your throne is God forever and ever.
A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. Bible
“Your throne is God forever and ever.” This verse is quoted in Hebrews 1:8. Another similar and strong possibility for the translation is “Your throne is from God,” or “Your throne is a throne of God” (The Expositor's Bible Commentary).

“Your throne is God forever” means that God is the authority, the “throne” of the king, and the king reigns with the authority of God. This king, and by extension the Messiah, the true king of Israel, has been graced and blessed by God
(Ps. 45:2). In that light, it is appropriate that this king recognizes that God is the source of his kingly authority, which is the point of Psalm 45:9. Psalm 45 is a royal wedding psalm for a Davidic king, perhaps even Solomon, and by extension, some of it applies to the Messiah........"

( If the truth in my posts irritates you, Bros this is a public forum. grin grin)

Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Enskynelson(m): 5:39pm On Feb 20
Janosky:


None of the verses support your claim.
John 1:1, God spoke the word "let there be light", there came to be light" before that statement, did Light exist?
Is Light God?
When God had not spoke "the Word", did that person (the Word) exist?

John 1:14, the Word,a spirit being became flesh, so what ?
John 1:18, John5:37 , John 6:46 ,did Jesus tell you "my God & your God" (John 20:17 became flesh? grin cheesy

John 10:30 = John 17:22,23.
John 8:18 who is the Father that sent your "I am" of John 8:58?
John 8:19, who is the Father of your Almighty "I am"?

Exodus 3:14-15, Acts3:13,please tell this forum why your "I am" is the servant/son of "I am " ,himself?

Colossians 2:9= Colossians 2:10 " the same fullness" dwells in the disciples.
You must apply your claim on verse 9 to the disciples in verse 10. Do you agree the disciples is God?
OK. Clap for yourself tongue
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by BassReeves: 6:16pm On Feb 20
BUSHYANUS:
Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

This is like saying

...As he was calling on the President and saying, " Mr. Buhari, have mercy on me."

What do you think?
Matthew 1:18-25
'18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about:
His mother Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph,
but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.
19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and was unwilling to disgrace her publicly, he resolved to divorce her quietly.
20But after he had pondered these things, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream
and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to embrace Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
21She will give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus, because He will save His people from their sins.”
22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
23“Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel” (which means, “God with us”).
24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and embraced Mary as his wife.
25But he had no union with herg until she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.'


Matthew 1:23b, Jesus, is God incarnate.

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Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 6:48pm On Feb 20
BassReeves:
Matthew 1:18-25
'18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about:
His mother Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph,
but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.
19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and was unwilling to disgrace her publicly, he resolved to divorce her quietly.
20But after he had pondered these things, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream
and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to embrace Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
21She will give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus,d because He will save His people from their sins.”
22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
23“Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel” (which means, “God with us”).
24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and embraced Mary as his wife.
25But he had no union with herg until she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.'


Matthew 1:23b, Jesus, is God incarnate.
According to your faulty logic, do you agree Elihu ,(meaning "God is He"wink is God too?

Do you also agree Mary gave birth to God?
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by BassReeves: 7:09pm On Feb 20
Janosky:
According to your faulty logic, do you agree Elihu, (meaning "God is He'') is God too?
According to your incomplete understanding, you fail to know that the name Elihu, properly means, God is the one [who is to be thanked, or worshipped]

Janosky:
Do you also agree Mary gave birth to God?
Affirmative. I guess your next question is:
If Jesus is God, why is he praying to Himself?
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 7:43pm On Feb 20
BassReeves:

According to your incomplete understanding, you fail to know that the name Elihu, properly means, God is the one [who is to be thanked, or worshipped]

Affirmative. I guess your next question is:
If Jesus is God, why is he praying to Himself?
grin cheesy

Your Immanuel meaning "God with us" is God.
Bros, according to your claim,is Elihu the God you worship ?

Did I ask you the other question you want to impose on me?

Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by BassReeves: 8:00pm On Feb 20
Janosky:
Your Immanuel meaning "God with us" is God.
Bros, according to your claim, is Elihu the God you worship?
John 10:32-33
'32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”
33“ We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews,
“but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God."
'

Get it clear, the name Elihu, properly means, God is the one [who is to be thanked, or worshipped] and nothing like, your ludicrous, 'Elihu, the God, you worship' comment.

While Elihu, is not God, Jesus, however, is God and as you can see from John 10:33b above, when the opportunity was there for Him to deny that He isn't God, He didnt. This for the good reason that He is God.

Janosky:
Did I ask you the other question you want to impose on me?
How you managed to falsely believe you were asked a question or even imposing it on you is laughable

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Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 8:01pm On Feb 20
Enskynelson:

OK. Clap for yourself tongue

Na Jamb questions wey pass your level?
Give am to your Pastorpreneurs ,them no get the expo grin cheesy
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 8:41pm On Feb 20
BassReeves:
John 10:32-33
'32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”
33“ We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews,
“but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God."
'

Get it clear, the name Elihu, properly means, God is the one [who is to be thanked, or worshipped] and nothing like, your ludicrous, 'Elihu, the God, you worship' comment.

While Elihu, is not God, Jesus, however, is God and as you can see from John 10:33b above, when the opportunity was there for Him to deny that He isn't God, He didnt. This for the good reason that He is God.

How you managed to falsely believe you were asked a question or even imposing it on you is laughable
grin grin
Bros, in John 10:36 what is Jesus reply to the Jews?
John 10:36, are you LYING or Jesus is lying?

John 10:33b, why do you cherry pick the FALSEHOOD that the Jews themselves had refuted at John 19:7?

John 19:7, the Jews use their own mouth & proven that John 10:33b is a FALSE claim
.

John 10:34-36, John 18:36, Bros listen to Jesus voice of truth.
grin cheesy
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Kingdomtruth: 8:48pm On Feb 20
BassReeves

While Elihu, is not God, Jesus, however, is God and as you can see from John 10:33b above, when the opportunity was there for Him to deny that He isn't God, He didnt. This for the good reason that He is God.

while you're correct according to our faith(the Christian faith), that Jesus is God; we must understand that there's a difference between the two I.e God the Father and God the son. while Jesus, who is God the son occupies the position of being the God of everyone and everything in heaven, on earth and the whole below, God the Father on the other hand is the God of everyone and everything including Christ Jesus who is God of everything. Note here that: Jesus is God the son(excluding God the Father who created him and gave Him everything), while God the Father is the overall God(God almighty) of everyone including Christ Jesus
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by bornalive: 9:00pm On Feb 20
Jones4190:
John 14:28 (NIV)

“You heard me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

the term ‘greater’ hare mean “someone who holds a greater status or office.” For example, your boss is greater than you; the president is greater than the vice president.
Jesus is equal with the Father in essence, in nature, and in character, but the Father is greater than Jesus in function, office, and position.  

When Jesus says the ‘Father is greater than I.’ The context shows that Jesus is not speaking in terms of His essential being and nature of God – but rather functionally; He is speaking of the mission and work of God. 

We never see Jesus sending the Father to do anything; that is simply not His function within the work of the Godhead. It is the Father who sends the son – and it is to the Father’s side that the Son will return by this understanding it's right to says that Jesus has a supreme leader ( God the father) and It is in that functional sense that the Father is ‘greater
conclusively:
JESUS IS EQUAL WITH THE FATHER IN ESSENCE, IN NATURE, AND IN CHARACTER, BUT THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN JESUS IN FUNCTION, IN OFFICE, AND IN POSITION.


You have said it right. God, The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit. Trinity.
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by BassReeves: 9:02pm On Feb 20
Janosky:
grin grin
Bros, in John 10:36 what is Jesus reply to the Jews?
John 10:36, are you LYING or Jesus is lying?

John 10:33b, why do you cherry pick the FALSEHOOD that the Jews themselves had refuted at John 19:7?

John 19:7, the Jews use their own mouth & proven that John 10:33b is a FALSE claim
.

John 10:34-36, John 18:36, Bros listen to Jesus voice of truth grin cheesy
Do you now see that I was right in saying, I guess your next question is: If Jesus is God, why is he praying to Himself?

Your problem and the Jews, is that you cant fathom out the reason why, it is necessary for God to become a human being. You see it, to be an impossible thing for God, to be in two places, at the same time. You think it is impossible for God, to at the same time, exist in heaven as Father and on earth as Son. Isn't that all correct?
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by BassReeves: 9:02pm On Feb 20
Kingdomtruth:
While you're correct according to our faith (the Christian faith), that Jesus is God; we must understand that there's a difference between the two i.e God the Father and God the son.

While Jesus, who is God the son occupies the position of being the God of everyone and everything in heaven, on earth and the whole below, God the Father on the other hand is the God of everyone and everything including Christ Jesus who is God of everything.

Note here that: Jesus is God the son (excluding God the Father who created him and gave Him everything), while God the Father is the overall God (God almighty) of everyone including Christ Jesus
Who and what is Jesus before Jesus was born?
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 9:05pm On Feb 20
Jones4190:
John 14:28 (NIV)

“You heard me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

the term ‘greater’ hare mean “someone who holds a greater status or office.” For example, your boss is greater than you; the president is greater than the vice president.
Jesus is equal with the Father in essence, in nature, and in character, but the Father is greater than Jesus in function, office, and position.  

When Jesus says the ‘Father is greater than I.’ The context shows that Jesus is not speaking in terms of His essential being and nature of God – but rather functionally; He is speaking of the mission and work of God. 

We never see Jesus sending the Father to do anything; that is simply not His function within the work of the Godhead. It is the Father who sends the son – and it is to the Father’s side that the Son will return by this understanding it's right to says that Jesus has a supreme leader ( God the father) and It is in that functional sense that the Father is ‘greater
conclusively:
JESUS IS EQUAL WITH THE FATHER IN ESSENCE, IN NATURE, AND IN CHARACTER, BUT THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN JESUS IN FUNCTION, IN OFFICE, AND IN POSITION.



ARE ANGELS EQUAL WITH JESUS IN ESSENCE, IN NATURE, AND IN CHARACTER ?
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 9:14pm On Feb 20
BassReeves:
Do you now see that I was right in saying, I guess your next question is: If Jesus is God, why is he praying to Himself?

While Elihu, is not God, Jesus, however, is God and as you can see from John 10:33b above, when the opportunity was there for Him to deny that He isn't God, He didnt. This for the good reason that He is God.


Bros , where was prayer mentioned in John 10:36,
John 19:7 and John 10:33b ?

Bros, you made claims your Bible doesn't agree with, you want to jakpa grin cheesy
Bros , answer the questions:
Bros, in John 10:36 what is Jesus reply to the Jews' claim at John 10:33b?
John 10:36, are you LYING or Jesus is lying?
John 10:33b, why do you cherry pick the FALSEHOOD that the Jews themselves had refuted at John 19:7 ?
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by BassReeves: 9:26pm On Feb 20
Janosky:
Bros, where was prayer mentioned in John 10:36,
John 19:7 and John 10:33b ?

Bros, you made claims your Bible doesn't agree with, you want to jakpa grin cheesy
Bros , answer the questions:
Bros, in John 10:36 what is Jesus reply to the Jews' claim at John 10:33b?
John 10:36, are you LYING or Jesus is lying?
John 10:33b, why do you cherry pick the FALSEHOOD that the Jews themselves had refuted at John 19:7 ?
John 14:7-9
'7If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”
8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.”
9Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me?
Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
'

Your problem and the Jews, is that you cant fathom out the reason why, it is necessary for God to become a human being. You see it, to be an impossible thing for God, to be in two places, at the same time. You think it is impossible for God, to at the same time, exist in heaven as Father and on earth as Son. Isn't that all correct?

Chew on John 14:8-9 for awhile, hopefully for the realisation to settle down and sink in for you

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Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Kingdomtruth: 9:35pm On Feb 20
BassReeves:
Who and what is Jesus before Jesus was born?

Jesus was simply the child of God, who was the first to be created out of all creation. And just like we too who believe and are made the children of God by faith through the holy spirit, He too is the child of God because of the spirit of God that gives Him life. He is actually the first born son of God among many of us who later believe and are made children too.That was Jesus before his human nature....Tanx bro

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Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 9:35pm On Feb 20
BassReeves:



Your problem and the Jews, is that you cant fathom out the reason why, it is necessary for God to become a human being. You see it, to be an impossible thing for God, to be in two places, at the same time. You think it is impossible for God, to at the same time, exist in heaven as Father and on earth as Son Isn't that all correct


That problem is in the figment of your imperfect imagination. cheesy grin

Bros, are you perfect?
NO, in capital letters grin

But Jesus Christ is very perfect.

John 20:17, John 3:16, John 17:3, John 5:37, Matthew 16:13-17, did Jesus tell you "my God and your God" became flesh?

Is Exodus 33:20-23 missing in your Bible?

grin cheesy
Re: Does This Verse Mean Jesus Is God Himself? by Janosky: 9:43pm On Feb 20
BassReeves:
John 14:7-9
'7If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”
8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.”
9Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me?
Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
'

Your problem and the Jews, is that you cant fathom out the reason why, it is necessary for God to become a human being. You see it, to be an impossible thing for God, to be in two places, at the same time. You think it is impossible for God, to at the same time, exist in heaven as Father and on earth as Son. Isn't that all correct?

Chew on John 14:8-9 for awhile, hopefully for the realisation to settle down and sink in for you

John 20:21 , John 7:16 Jesus Christ says your claim on John 14:7-9 is faulty.

John 20:21,In a nutshell, you are claiming that the disciples is Jesus Christ grin cheesy grin grin.

Matthew 10:40 = John 14:7-9. You the Boss, gave your Messenger a letter to your Tenants, the tenants received the letter from your Messenger, have the tenants seen or received you (the Boss)?

Do you know that Matthew 10:32 (on earth) is the same as (in heaven)Revelation 3:5?

Bros RECEIVE SENSE cheesy

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