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honesttalk21:
The three statements you variously provided cannot all be true simultaneously. Interpreting John 5:19 as indicating that God's wisdom, which demons cannot replicate, introduces a power dynamic that the verse does not imply. Claiming that Jesus is the exact prototype of God suggests a shared essence, which conflicts with the verse's assertion that the Son can do nothing independently. Additionally, stating that Jesus is God's Son due to perfect imitation reduces the concept of sonship to mere moral similarity rather than a deeper ontological relationship. John 5:19 clarifies this issue. The term whatever refers to the actions that the Father reveals and permits, indicating a dependent relationship rather than equal power or shared essence, and it does not imply a contrast with demons. The text emphasizes agency and obedience rather than inherent divinity.

Furthermore in John 5:19, whatever signifies what the Father wills and does, rather than encompassing all possible actions. The opening line, the Son can do nothing by himself, establishes this dependence rather than equality. Therefore, whatever pertains to actions that are authorized and observed, meaning the Son acts only in response to the Father. This aligns with the concepts of imitation and agency rather than ontological equality. Referring to Jesus as the Son of God in this context highlights perfect obedience and representation, rather than shared essence or divinity.

In summary, whatever signifies what God allows and shows him to do, which does not serve as evidence of divinity or contrast with demons, but rather underscores complete dependence and faithful imitation.

AntiChristian:
You are the only Christian on earth!
Your own Jesus came again in 1914!

MaxInDHouse:
The same applies to Islam only Jehovah's organization doesn't have such among us!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Guy all these are theories found in those books what matters is the result among adherents of each book.

If your Quran failed to make peace reign among its adherents it simply means it's not from the true God

honesttalk21:
That standard is flawed right from the start because no scripture is evaluated as true or false based on the moral behavior of its followers.

MaxInDHouse:
Below is the post you quoted:

Do you think only Max from Nigeria makes up a global organization of JWs shey?🙂

AntiChristian:
Una plenty na!

tctrills:
You just made my point. We can only know God's characteristics through revelation.
So from revelation, we know that God does not lie.
It is not up to you to decide His other characteristics.
Now, your argument here is not really intelligent, and here is why. God is not Human but He can talk. Someone like you would argue that He shouldnt be able to speak because He isnt Human.
Just because God isn't human doesn't mean He doesn't have lots of shared emotions and characteristics with Humans. We are in His image and likeness, remember?

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmm my guy nobody has seen God before so any argument based on books written by humans like you and i is not enough as proof of God's existence rather it's the PEACE found in the gathering of imperfect humans that could serve as evidence of the presence of the invisible true God.
Read books from today till tomorrow and continue arguing on what is written in such books to any right thinking person all theists (as atheists do call those claiming they believe in God) are deluded.
So the only evidence worshipers of the true God can present is peace among them which atheists will find really hard to count as coincidental because that is never ever going to work among humans of different races!🙂

honesttalk21:
I understand your point, but this standard doesn't apply in reality. While peace among people is important, it doesn't serve as evidence of God's existence. Humans can foster peace through various means such as culture, discipline, shared interests, fear, or laws. We've witnessed peace in atheist groups, Buddhist monasteries, and even temporary peace in criminal organizations. If peace alone is used to validate the existence of the true God,then all conflicting beliefs would simultaneously be true, which undermines the concept of truth. Furthermore, no prophet has claimed, Evaluate God based on the behavior of my followers. That would imply that God is subject to human flaws. Even Jesus acknowledged that his teachings would lead to division rather than universal harmony. Therefore, by your own criteria, Christianity would not meet its own standard. Peace is a result of people adhering to truth, not the evidence that establishes truth. If peace is taken as proof, it leads to sociology rather than a true understanding of God.

AntiChristian:
You are going against your Bible again! God is not human! Animals too talk among themselves. Those of attributes! God can have atrributes and those attributes are all on a higher level according to His majesty. God speaks but not as we do!

It's not only humans that can talk!

And saying God wept is belittling in Islam. I know the Bible qualifies God in many ways even some humans would find disgusting. I mean i don't think i can say you rose up from sleep like a warrior does when he is drunk!

Then the Lord rose up as though waking from sleep, like a warrior aroused from a drunken stupor. Psalm 78:65

God regrets and was heartbroken - So the LORD was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart. Genesis 6:6

God repented - And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Exodus 32:14

God's foolishness - For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. 1 Corinthians 1:25

Even if these have any symbolic meaning, they still belittle your Yahweh!

MaxInDHouse:
Please mention one multinational group of people who has made peace possible among them.

Perhaps you don't know how important this thing is to the human race.

For your information all sport, music, beauty and other organizations formed by humans was targeted at achieving global peace but the Bible God promised that it could only be achieved by those studying his words and acting on what they got! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Ọmọ it's not possible without God!🙂

honesttalk21:
Your expectations are excessive and ultimately fall short. Throughout history, no multinational group whether Christian, Muslim, atheist, or otherwise has managed to establish lasting global peace. If that is the standard for identifying the true God, then every religion, including Christianity, falls short.

MaxInDHouse:
Christianity has achieved it but you don't know that there is only one organization of true Christians the rest are false religions under false prophets claiming they are Christians. Matthew 24:11
So the only true Christian group achieved it among themselves globally just as Isaiah and Micah prophesied but Jesus foretold that Satan will mix his own agents with Jesus' followers after the death of the Apostles {Matthew 13:25} that is why you think different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are all Christians!
True Christians will have the same belief globally {John 17:22} they will not contradict themselves in teachings {1Corinthans 1:10} Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so his true disciples will become witnesses {Act 1:8} of the fact that the Prince of Peace has destroyed the works of the devil and those adhering to his teachings will successfully fulfill that prophecy among themselves because the LOVE of God will bind them together! John 13:34-35

So instead of looking at different religions claiming Christians think about the one organization that is achieving what the true God promised: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!🙂

honesttalk21:
The exclusivist claims made by Jehovah’s Witnesses only demonstrate their existence, not that they uniquely represent God, Christianity, or biblical prophecy.

MaxInDHouse:
And i thought you claim been honest o!🙂

Do you now see how dishonest you are?

Muslims are ready to argue from today till tomorrow because of the book Arabs forced on their ancestors yet the so called holy book failed to achieve peace among it's adherents.

What is the purpose of that book and its content if not to help worshipers cohabit peacefully using the words of their God?

Even among humans the purpose of a family head is to quench any trouble in the family not to talk of a God whose words are written and read by you people!🙂

honesttalk21:
Neither the Bible nor the Qur'an states that their purpose is to take away human free will or enforce peace. Both texts acknowledge that people will disobey, engage in conflict, and misinterpret teachings.

honesttalk21:
By that logic, Christianity could also be seen as failing, given its history of violence among its own followers.

honesttalk21:
The aim of revelation is to establish truth, justice, and accountability, not to magically resolve all human conflict. Just as a parent sets rules without being held responsible for their adult children's choices, human shortcomings highlight our weaknesses rather than disprove the divine.

honesttalk21:
Parent sets rules without being held responsible for their adult children's choices, human shortcomings highlight our weaknesses rather than disprove the divine.

MaxInDHouse:
When citizens trust their government it's not taking away their freewill rather it's called understanding. If you people can't trust the words of your God regarding the future judgement Allah promised do you think it makes sense convincing others about such a God?
Come on my guy, Both the Bible and the Quran clearly stated that there is a God who will rightly judge evildoers and that will happen in the end when this God repay the righteous {Psalms 37:7-11, 29 compare to Quran 21:105} if adherents of that book failed to have complete trust in what is written but picking up weapons to fight for rights even among yourselves that means you people don't see any Allah coming in the future o. 😟


Here is your dishonesty again!
I showed you what Jesus said about the agents of Satan mixing up with his real disciples after the death of his Apostles {Matthew 13:25} and the last Apostle John talked about AntiChrist taking over right from the first century few days to his own death {1John 2:18} so why are you still calling Satan's agents Christians? God promised to separate Satan's agents for destruction in the endtime and before destroying them He said He will give His true worshipers another group name {Isaiah 65:15 compare to Matthew 13:30} so stop the dishonesty and face reality if truly there still remains any love for God in you!


Before God set standard for humans He allowed them live for over a thousand years so there will be clear evidence that humans can't rule themselves successfully. So if God now gives us laws and such laws still failed to make peace reign among adherents not even objectors o but those carrying the books up and down themselves then it means such a God has failed.
That's why the true God promised to use His active force (holy spirit) resolve all the disparities among His own worshipers peacefully {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} and there will be perfect understanding among them as if they are speaking the same language! Zephaniah 3:9

That is what Satan is trying to portray in Islam but since it's not from God peace can't be achieved even though Arabs compelled worshipers to speak their language during the worship of their Allah!🙂

honesttalk21:
No faith could withstand scrutiny, including your own.

MaxInDHouse:
Going by what is recorded in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

It's evident that the true God is the one doing what you are seeing among Jehovah's Witnesses today unless you are trying to be dishonest.

These people came from different races throughout the world {Isaiah 2:2} they have agreed to use the Bible as standard among themselves {Isaiah 2:3} the result, they resolved their disparities peacefully among themselves using what is found in the Bible, they diverted their resources into production of food and information materials, they have stopped producing buying selling or usage of weapons and all members have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:4

Who else do you think is making this happen among people from different nations including racist nations like Israel and Arabian countries if not God who promised to fulfill these things?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Going by what is recorded in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

It's evident that the true God is the one doing what you are seeing among Jehovah's Witnesses today unless you are trying to be dishonest.

These people came from different races throughout the world {Isaiah 2:2} they have agreed to use the Bible as standard among themselves {Isaiah 2:3} the result, they resolved their disparities peacefully among themselves using what is found in the Bible, they diverted their resources into production of food and information materials, they have stopped producing buying selling or usage of weapons and all members have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:4

Who else do you think is making this happen among people from different nations including racist nations like Israel and Arabian countries if not God who promised to fulfill these things?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
@ honesttalk21

Below is two Islamic religions claiming they are worshiping the same God yet even you can't say this is the group practicing Islam between this two rival groups all you can say is there are denominations in Christendom Churches.

Which means it's only when you want to side Islam that you start talking against churches of Christendom but when you have nothing else to say regarding the confusion in your religion you turn back to Christendom Churches.

I was born in Islam and i can tell you today that i have found the only true religion!

honesttalk21:
Isaiah 2 and Micah 4 foresee a time of universal peace established by divine intervention, where warfare among all nations comes to an end. This vision is not about a peaceful group existing within a violent world. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not bring an end to wars around the globe, nor do they proclaim God's law from Zion to all nations, which means they do not meet the full extent or ultimate purpose of these prophecies. Achieving selective peace within their community does not equate to fulfilling the prophecy.

honesttalk21:
The differences between Sunni and Shia Muslims primarily revolve around political succession.

MaxInDHouse:
Read those verses again and meditate!

If it'll happen when there is no confusion on planet earth regarding faith then how will it be a significant event?

Moreover Jesus said LOVE will serve as evidence of true worshipers as they are united in faith globally. John 13:34-35

So are you saying all what your religion is capable of doing is just to argue with no proof of effectiveness regarding what is written in your book?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
So if Muslims are fighting and killing their fellow Muslims over politics then what is the essence of your Quran?🙂

honesttalk21:
Wars among Christians do not invalidate the Gospel.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course it does, if there arises any war among the disciples of Christ it invalidates Jesus' teachings because that is what the teachings supposed to achieve: So if peace can't reign in the gathering of the Prince Of Peace there is nothing to talk about again!

honesttalk21:
That standard is flawed. Jesus clearly stated that his message would lead to division in Matthew 10:34; do you exclude this from the gospel? If disagreements among followers discredit a teacher, then by his own statements, Jesus would discredit himself. The goal is peace, but it doesn't always result automatically. Human shortcomings challenge individuals, not the truth itself.

MaxInDHouse:
Read Matthew 10:34 again and meditate Jesus is talking about division among Jews due to his teachings so if you are a Jew and you accepted Jesus' teachings your own family will turn against you due to the new found faith but among his disciples there must be peace!🙂

Read John 9:22
Because of faith in Jesus the Jews were divided and they decided to expel those declaring Jesus as Christ from their synagogues. So if a member or two in the family acknowledge Jesus as Christ other members of that Jewish family will castigate him or her.

But among Jesus' disciples there must be love, joy and peace because God's holy spirit will permeates their gathering! Galatians 5:22🙂

honesttalk21:
Indeed Matthew 10:34 highlights that accepting Jesus can lead to external opposition rather than ensuring harmony within the community. The Scriptures acknowledge that there were indeed internal conflicts among Jesus' followers. For instance, the disciples argued about their status (Luke 22:24; Mark 9:34), expressed indignation toward each other (Matt 20:24), had sharp disagreements (Acts 15:36–40), and churches experienced divisions (1 Cor 1:10–12). Additionally, Paul confronted Peter directly (Gal 2:11–14). As a result, the New Testament contradicts the notion that Jesus guaranteed ongoing peace among his followers. While peace is an ideal fostered by the Spirit (Gal 5:22), the Scriptures make a clear distinction between divine teachings and the shortcomings of the believers within the community.

MaxInDHouse:
Honesty is far from you my guy!🙂

So arguments among disciples is equal to killings among Muslims shey?😃