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Chibuezem:
Show me where my lord Jesus said you should kill your enemy sir

The above is what? 😄 Devil? Good thing only you use your mouth to say Jesus is god.

Lucifyre:
The above is what? 😄 Devil? Good thing only you use your mouth to say Jesus is God.

okay let's address what you said.

The Amalekites were not an innocent tribe suddenly targeted, you lot always present scripture without context and background.




Biblical background on the Amalekites:
They were the first nation to attack Israel after the Exodus, targeting the weak, elderly, and children at the back of the camp (Exodus 17:8–16; Deuteronomy 25:17–19).

This was an unprovoked, cowardly assault on a vulnerable people.( This is what bandits ,kidnappers in our society do and some do it in the name of religion of peace )
God declares that Amalek had set itself in perpetual opposition to His redemptive plan.
God did not command their destruction immediately in his love He have them time to repent. God always gives time for man to repent but man most times relaxes and grows in iniquity.

The command in 1 Samuel 15 came about 400 years later.
During this time, the Amalekites continued violent raids, idolatry, and child sacrifice, typical of Canaanite cultures (Judges 3; 6; 1 Samuel 14).
This shows God is patient, not rash ( Genesis 15:16).

The Amalekites were seen as Persistently violent,
Spiritually corrupt having created a culture which they refused to change unlike the people of Nineveh whom Repented from their atrocities.

In ancient warfare, allowing such a group to survive often meant Continued cycles of violence,
Cultural and moral destruction of weaker peoples.

The Bible doesn’t show God enjoying destruction; it shows Him sparing Nineveh when they repented and judging Amalek only after centuries of refusal.


Selah

Lucifyre:
Great. So we know he commanded what you deride others for, talk about hypocrisy. Remove the log in your eye... you know the rest.

Deuteronomy 13:6–10
If a close family member tempts you to worship another god... “You must put them to death… Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.”

Numbers 31:15–18
“Have you allowed all the women to live? … Kill every male child and every woman who has slept with a man, but keep the young girls for yourselves.”

Samuel 15:2–3
“Attack Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have. Do not spare them; put to death men, women, children, infants, cattle and sheep…”

And there's many more.

lol

Let's start with

Deuteronomy 13:6–10
If a close family member tempts you to worship another god... “You must put them to death… Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.”
My Response
This Was Not Private Belief ,It Was Treason
You assume this is about personal religious choice.
It is not. Ancient Israel was A theocratic nation -state .God was not just a deity but the constitutional King .Idolatry was equivalent to high treason, not private spirituality

This is closer to betrayal of the state than to “choosing a different religion.

This act Targeted Active Corruption, Not Mere Doubt.
The law does not punish:
1)Questioning
2)Struggling faith
3)Silent disbelief
Which a certain religion of peace tries as much as possible to punish.
It punishes Deliberate, secret recruitment Attempting to destroy national covenant loyalty,
Leading others into practices involving child sacrifice and ritual abuse common in idol cults
This is about corrupting society, not thought crime.
Why was it So Severe?
Because of What Idolatry Meant Then
Ancient Near Eastern idol worship was not benign.
It included:
1)Child sacrifice (Molech)
2)Sexual exploitation in temples
3) Extreme violence
4) injustice
Allowing it would Destroy Israel morally Erase the line through which redemption (Messiah) would come.
Severity reflects the stakes, not divine cruelty.


“Your Hand Must Be the First” from the passage :
Discouraged false accusations and Forced the accuser to bear moral responsibility
It also Prevented mob justice(ABA people need this lol) You couldn’t hide behind the crowd. You had to mean it. Ironically, this made executions rarer, not easier.

In summary ,This Was Civil Law for Ancient Israel Not Universal Moral Law for the world
As Christians it does not apply today , to the church and individuals
Why?
Because Israel was a unique covenant nation
And The church is not a state
Jesus explicitly forbids violence for faith enforcement
“My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36)




If this text justified religious violence, Jesus and the early church would have practiced it. They didn’t they died instead.


So My friend Rest or should I continue ?
Apologies for the typos I am not used to typing epistles on NL

Lucifyre:
Great. So we know he commanded what you deride others for, talk about hypocrisy. Remove the log in your eye... you know the rest.

Deuteronomy 13:6–10
If a close family member tempts you to worship another god... “You must put them to death… Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.”

Numbers 31:15–18
“Have you allowed all the women to live? … Kill every male child and every woman who has slept with a man, but keep the young girls for yourselves.”

Samuel 15:2–3
“Attack Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have. Do not spare them; put to death men, women, children, infants, cattle and sheep…”

And there's many more.

can I answer sir ?

Chibuezem:
lol

Let's start with

Deuteronomy 13:6–10
If a close family member tempts you to worship another god... “You must put them to death… Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.”
My Response
This Was Not Private Belief ,It Was Treason
You assume this is about personal religious choice.
It is not. Ancient Israel was A theocratic nation -state .God was not just a deity but the constitutional King .Idolatry was equivalent to high treason, not private spirituality

This is closer to betrayal of the state than to “choosing a different religion.

This act Targeted Active Corruption, Not Mere Doubt.
The law does not punish:
1)Questioning
2)Struggling faith
3)Silent disbelief
Which a certain religion of peace tries as much as possible to punish.
It punishes Deliberate, secret recruitment Attempting to destroy national covenant loyalty,
Leading others into practices involving child sacrifice and ritual abuse common in idol cults
This is about corrupting society, not thought crime.
Why was it So Severe?
Because of What Idolatry Meant Then
Ancient Near Eastern idol worship was not benign.
It included:
1)Child sacrifice (Molech)
2)Sexual exploitation in temples
3) Extreme violence
4) injustice
Allowing it would Destroy Israel morally Erase the line through which redemption (Messiah) would come.
Severity reflects the stakes, not divine cruelty.


“Your Hand Must Be the First” from the passage :
Discouraged false accusations and Forced the accuser to bear moral responsibility
It also Prevented mob justice(ABA people need this lol) You couldn’t hide behind the crowd. You had to mean it. Ironically, this made executions rarer, not easier.

In summary ,This Was Civil Law for Ancient Israel Not Universal Moral Law for the world
As Christians it does not apply today , to the church and individuals
Why?
Because Israel was a unique covenant nation
And The church is not a state
Jesus explicitly forbids violence for faith enforcement
“My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36)




If this text justified religious violence, Jesus and the early church would have practiced it. They didn’t they died instead.


So My friend Rest or should I continue ?
Apologies for the typos I am not used to typing epistles on NL

Man I would never not find this funny when it happens. So you went from deriding and turning up your nose at others for something you claim your god never did - and that their gods did - to writing epistles, special pleading why we should excuse your god for doing the exact same thing with mental gymnastics. The hypocrisy is a bit loud and honestly hilarious.

Lucifyre:
Man I would never not find this funny when it happens. So you went from deriding and turning up your nose at others for something you claim your god never did - and that their gods did - to writing epistles, special pleading why we should excuse your god for doing the exact same thing with mental gymnastics. The hypocrisy is a bit loud and honestly hilarious.

there is no hypocrisy trying to dodge from the obvious which is your statements have no fact is just funny to me

I ask again show me where My Lord Jesus Christ promoted violence
You've not shown me.
Christianity does not in any way promote violence
You know it
I know it
Everyone knows

Selah

Lucifyre:
The above is what? 😄 Devil? Good thing only you use your mouth to say Jesus is god.

Yes Jesus Is God in His nature and the Son in his relationship with Man
God the Father was the personality who Championed the Israelites as their Theocratic King
Creating the first nation of God on earth which is Israel

Lucifyre:
Great. So we know he commanded what you deride others for, talk about hypocrisy. Remove the log in your eye... you know the rest.

Deuteronomy 13:6–10
If a close family member tempts you to worship another god... “You must put them to death… Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.”

Numbers 31:15–18
“Have you allowed all the women to live? … Kill every male child and every woman who has slept with a man, but keep the young girls for yourselves.”

Samuel 15:2–3
“Attack Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have. Do not spare them; put to death men, women, children, infants, cattle and sheep…”

And there's many more.

God the Father never commanded us (you included ) to deride others this were rules given to the Israelites who were His nation
I have already explained this lol took you how many days to respond

Lucifyre:
😂 This one done use style check bible, edit im comment sharperly before I respond. I saw your unedited comment. Hilarious. Anyways yes I can't be you, it'll take me years to get to your llevel of calmly spouting outright lies. As for your edited mesaage, Oh Jesus is not god again. Lol Joker.

Jesus Is God I have never denied that

Chibuezem:
God the Father never commanded us (you included ) to deride others this were rules given to the Israelites who were His nation
I have already explained this lol took you how many days to respond

You think this is important and the rest of us don't have a life and priorities. Lol

Chibuezem:
God the Father never commanded us (you included ) to deride others this were rules given to the Israelites who were His nation
I have already explained this lol took you how many days to respond

Yet you were writing epistles upon epistles explaining away genocide. Funny.

Lucifyre:
Yet you were writing epistles upon epistles explaining away genocide. Funny.

yet you are avoiding my question
Well it's fine
I expected from you honestly

Just like kobojunkie

Lucifyre:
You think this is important and the rest of us don't have a life and priorities. Lol

so you don't have a life today

Spare me this hypocrisy please

Chibuezem:
so you don't have a life today

Spare me this hypocrisy please

Ok let me educate you small. Ever heard of this thing called schedule. You should check it out, your mind will ve blown. lol!

Chibuezem:
yet you are avoiding my question
Well it's fine
I expected from you honestly

Just like kobojunkie

Lol! Avoiding what question. Let me quoye you again clearly.

"Jesus Is God I have never denied that"

You sure you're not foncused.

Lucifyre:
Lol! Avoiding what question. Let me quoye you again clearly.

"Jesus Is God I have never denied that"

You sure you're not foncused.

Thank you Sir
Jesus is Lord

Lucifyre:
Ok let me educate you small. Ever heard of this thing called schedule. You should check it out, your mind will ve blown. lol!

oh so you schedule when to respond to my mentions


Wow I am this important 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Chibuezem:
oh so you schedule when to respond to my mentions


Wow I am this important 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

At least you've taken the first step that is words, the next step a distance away called comprehension becons you. But not possible today, maybe a next lifetime.

Chibuezem:
Thank you Sir
Jesus is Lord

Need I say more.

Lucifyre:
At least you've taken the first step that is words, the next step a distance away called comprehension becons you. But not possible today, maybe a next lifetime.

okay see you in the new earth

Lucifyre:
Need I say more.

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