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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GloriousGbola: 10:57am On Jan 31
Unlimited22:
And Iran.
Cue the gang shouting obama crime family.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f):
Here’s a lesson for all you shucking and jiving uncle Toms who are selling the last grain of dignity you have left, in service of the Republicans. Nicki thought she was doing something. They’ve used and immediately dumped her.

Never fails that a token black person sells themselves for pittance to the conservative side and immediately gets left in the dust after being used for the token that they are. Hare-brained bimbo thought she was getting a green card out of this embarrassing spectacle she made of herself. White House said nah nah.

Because only a dumbo doesn’t know that Trump doesn’t have the constitutional power to grant anyone citizenship or residency. But MAGA has never been accused of being smart.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GloriousGbola: 1:09pm On Jan 31
cococandy:
Here’s a lesson for all you shucking and jiving uncle Toms who are selling the last grain of dignity you have left for the Republicans. Nicki thought she was doing something. There used and immediately dumped her.

Never fails that a token black person sells themselves for pittance to the conservative side and immediately gets left in the dust after being used for the token they are. Hare-brained bimbo thought she was getting a green card out of this embarrassing spectacle she made of herself. White House said nah nah.

Because only a dumbo doesn’t know that Trump doesn’t have the constitutional power to grant anyone citizenship or residency. But MAGA has never been accused of being smart.
May as well give it to them right now to print and carry for their years of dutiful service

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 1:40pm On Jan 31
GloriousGbola:
May as well give it to them right now to print and carry for their years of dutiful service
They will all be disappointed. 🤣
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 2:56pm On Jan 31
Unlimited22:
Lmao
E no get wetin una no go defend, so I'm not surprised.
You never explain why Biden admin convicted those who went to sing inside an abortion clinic but not Don Lemon who went to disrupt a chirch service

If you haven't noticed your hypocrisy this is another example. Always different rules for similar situations

I think the shooter of Babbit and Renee should both be free you have different rules for each

I think the abortion clinic protesters and the church protesters committed the same crime and should bet the same conviction.
Now tell us your position without showing your hypocrisy
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 3:30pm On Jan 31
Where are the Qanon big empty bucket heads? hey basilico, you up?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GloriousGbola: 4:21pm On Jan 31
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/476702/minnesota-minneapolis-ice-ethics-how-to-help?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dhyoutube&utm_content=%3Cmedia_url%3E

Your Mileage May Vary is an advice column offering you a unique framework for thinking through your moral dilemmas. It’s based on value pluralism — the idea that each of us has multiple values that are equally valid but that often conflict with each other. To submit a question, fill out this anonymous form. Here’s this week’s question from a reader, condensed and edited for clarity:

I feel increasingly alarmed by what’s happening politically in America. And yet, even in light of everything in Minnesota, some of my friends seem very apolitical. Instead of talking about ways to get involved, they’re going on with business as usual — hosting dinner parties, posting random stuff on social media, etc. Maybe they think they’re not the target so this isn’t urgent for them personally. Or maybe they’re just busy with their own families and jobs and don’t know if it’s their role to get involved in a political fight.

My strong intuition is that we’re all obligated to play some role in this. But I don’t know how to convey that to them or how to articulate exactly what that role should be. How can I convince them that we’re past the point of “business as usual” and talk to them about what they owe the rest of the country?

Dear Politically Active,

What you’re really grasping for here is a framework — a way to think about what our duty is under authoritarianism, and a way to understand why not everyone is seeing that duty clearly.

So I want to introduce you to a man named Ernst Fraenkel. A German Jewish political scientist and labor lawyer, Fraenkel was a keen observer of the Nazi political system. As he watched Hitler’s rise to power in the 1930s, he wrote a manuscript about what he was noticing on the ground in Germany. Then he moved to the US and, in 1941, he published his book under the title The Dual State.

Thankfully, we are not currently facing a situation as grave as Nazism: Today’s America is not 1940s Germany. Yet Fraenkel’s analysis, which is enjoying a mini resurgence, offers us some helpful tools for getting our heads around the authoritarianism we see unfolding in the US right now.

Here’s his main insight: Life under authoritarianism is actually, for the most part, weirdly normal. It’s often even, well, boring. The average person can go about their day as usual. You take your kids to school, you head to the office, and yes, you even host dinner parties. You live in the realm that Fraenkel referred to as “the normative state,” and from within that realm, it’s easy to think that if you just keep your head down and avoid making waves, you’ll be perfectly fine, thank you very much.

But Fraenkel’s book is called The Dual State for a reason. This first state, the business-as-usual one, actually exists to lull you into a sense of complacency such that you don’t realize that another state is also operating in parallel with it. That second state, which Fraenkel calls “the prerogative state,” only becomes visible to you when you do something that the powers that be don’t like. Then suddenly you’re in a realm where the rule of law does not exist, where citizens can be killed with impunity, where you — even you, who thought you were invulnerable — can become a target.


The dark genius of this setup is that most people don’t realize that the prerogative state is active until it’s too late. They only wake up when the knock comes on their very own door — or when the door is forcefully broken down.


“The Dual State lives by veiling its true nature,” Fraenkel wrote.

That’s why it’s not surprising to me that your friends have been politically inactive. If they think of themselves as “not the target” — if they’re citizens, if they’re white, if they don’t speak with the “wrong” accent or express the “wrong” political views in public — it’s extremely easy for them to think everything is mostly normal, because the whole political apparatus is designed to make them think exactly that.

But, of course, you’re right. Everything is not normal.

And so, I would argue, the first obligation we all have is an epistemic one: It’s to know what kind of reality we are actually inhabiting. All other obligations will then flow from that knowledge. Because once we discern that we are living in a dual state, it becomes obvious that compliance won’t save us, and that some kind of action is called for.
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For you, the tricky question is: How do you get someone to realize that they’re in a dual state, when its darker half has not yet touched their life personally?

To start with, you can give them a frame, and Fraenkel’s explanation of the dual state is the most helpful one I’ve found. But you can also make it more powerful by placing a particular picture inside the frame — a concrete illustration of the dual state dynamic.

And here is where you might want to talk about Renee Nicole Good.

The 37-year-old who was shot to death by ICE was not armed. She simply sat idling in her car and observing an ICE operation. And she was a white woman. And a citizen. By all accounts, not someone you’d expect to be targeted.

She was killed anyway, and that makes her, tragically, an illustration of Fraenkel’s insight: Authoritarianism feels a lot like normal, predictable life — until it doesn’t. There’s a hidden tripwire you can step on, but you often don’t realize you’ve stepped on it until you find yourself with a gun in your face.

The Russian American journalist M. Gessen made this point in a recent New York Times column, which argues that it’s precisely the unpredictability that we’re seeing in Minneapolis that reveals that state terror — something like Fraenkel’s prerogative state — is happening in the US, not just run-of-the-mill repression.

“The randomness is the difference between a regime based on terror and a regime that is plainly repressive,” Gessen writes. “Even in brutally repressive regimes, including those of the Soviet colonies in Eastern Europe, one knew where the boundaries of acceptable behavior lay… A regime based on terror, on the other hand, deploys violence precisely to reinforce the message that anyone can be subjected to it.”

In other words, if it happened to Good, it can happen to more or less anyone.

By talking about Good in the context of Fraenkel’s analysis, you can try to bring this home to your friends.

And if that fails? Try what I call “the grandkid test.”


I grew up in a Jewish community that focused heavily on Holocaust education; many of our grandparents were Holocaust survivors. And I remember that my peers and I used to always ask ourselves: If we were non-Jewish Germans in 1940s Germany, how would we have acted? Would we have hidden Jews in our attics? Would we have stood up to the Nazis? Or would we have complied in hopes of saving our own skin?

Again and again, we came back to this: We hope that we would have acted as the brave people in our grandparents’ generation acted. We hope that we would have done something that would make our grandkids proud.


You can present this thought experiment to your friends. Tell them that one day their grandkids may ask them what they did in the wake of Minnesota, or under this administration more broadly. Will they be able to answer in a way that makes that young, upturned face beam?

To pass the grandkid test, people don’t necessarily need to put their bodies in the street in Minneapolis. Everyone exists at a different risk level, and we shouldn’t expect a noncitizen or someone who is undocumented, say, to put themselves at risk to the same degree as someone with more privilege.

For some, taking action will mean attending a peaceful protest in their own city; for others, it might mean making donations so that Minnesotans can afford safety equipment, dash cams, or legal aid; for others still, it might mean bringing groceries to a family that feels extra vulnerable and is afraid to leave the house.

But the grandkid test is a powerful way to bring home the realization that taking some kind of action is in everyone’s best interest — not because of an abstract moral obligation, but because it’s in moments like these that we choose what kind of people we will be, and what kind of legacy we’ll leave behind for the next generations to follow.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 4:22pm On Jan 31
benalvino3:
I am homophobic and you trigger me with your lifestyle
Yes, I'm sure a smart educated man who travels and can and does have most women he wants does trigger you. But, it's not because you are homophobic, just because you aren't those things.

What should trigger you is that you are supposed to be a Christian, yet fathered 4 children with a women you weren't married to (Babby Momma) and don't have custody of your kids.
But it doesn't.. because you aren't really a Christian.

But keep talking about that one thing that dominates your mind daily.. homosexuality.
You generally find that those that are supposedly homophobic like you, are so because they hate what they themselves are - gay.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 4:41pm On Jan 31
Nigerians In US Reportedly Go Into Hiding As ICE Raids Intensify, Claim LivesNigerians In US Reportedly Go Into Hiding As ICE Raids Intensify, Claim Lives
https://www.nairaland.com/8609802/nigerians-us-reportedly-go-into

Funny is that a lot of them probably supported Trump. They were chickens voting for the wolf.

Single reason that you know Bemeruca/Benalvino isn't in the US. He'd be hiding under his bed, scared witless that he isn't caught and deported instead of writing the nonsense posts he does here daily.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 6:04pm On Jan 31
IjeBos:
Yes, I'm sure a smart educated man who travels and can and does have most women he wants does trigger you. But, it's not because you are homophobic, just because you aren't those things.

What should trigger you is that you are supposed to be a Christian, yet fathered 4 children with a women you weren't married to (Babby Momma) and don't have custody of your kids.
But it doesn't.. because you aren't really a Christian.

But keep talking about that one thing that dominates your mind daily.. homosexuality.
You generally find that those that are supposedly homophobic like you, are so because they hate what they themselves are - gay.
Hmmm

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 6:11pm On Jan 31
When this man killed someone for no reason, Cococandy and AmazonTopaz did not have anything bad to say about him, as they do to ICE agents, instead, they said he is hot.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 7:05pm On Jan 31
Lewis McFadden…
It took the UK 10 years to realise BREXIT was a failure, it took the US 50 years to realise Donald Trump raped kids, and it took the world 77 years to realise Israel was committing genocide.
So yes, people are not all that bright.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 7:20pm On Jan 31
IjeBos:
Single reason that you know Bemeruca/Benalvino isn't in the US. He'd be hiding under his bed, scared witless that he isn't caught and deported instead of writing the nonsense posts he does here daily.
That much is clear as day to anyone with an ounce of thought.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:49pm On Jan 31

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GloriousGbola: 7:51pm On Jan 31
IjeBos:
Nigerians In US Reportedly Go Into Hiding As ICE Raids Intensify, Claim LivesNigerians In US Reportedly Go Into Hiding As ICE Raids Intensify, Claim Lives
https://www.nairaland.com/8609802/nigerians-us-reportedly-go-into

Funny is that a lot of them probably supported Trump. They were chickens voting for the wolf.

Single reason that you know Bemeruca/Benalvino isn't in the US. He'd be hiding under his bed, scared witless that he isn't caught and deported executed instead of writing the nonsense posts he does here daily.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline

Thirty-two people died in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody in 2025 – making it the agency’s deadliest year in more than two decades, as the Trump administration moved to detain a record number of people.

Some of those who died in detention had arrived in the US recently, seeking asylum. Others had arrived years ago, some as young children. Some had been apprehended on criminal charges or had served time for convictions; others had been picked up in the administration’s indiscriminate ICE raids.

They died of seizure and heart failure, stroke, respiratory failure, tuberculosis or suicide. Some died at ICE detention centers and field offices, others after they had been transferred to hospitals, but were still under ICE custody. In some cases, their families and lawyers have alleged, they died of neglect, after repeatedly trying and failing to get medical care.

The number of deaths, 32, matched the previous record, set in 2004. These deaths occurred as the Trump administration ramped up its immigration operations, detaining a record number of people in December. The agency was holding 68,440 people in detention in mid-December; nearly 75% of them had no criminal convictions. December was also the deadliest month in ICE custody – seven people died.
but they were all criminals . good riddance s/
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GloriousGbola: 8:16pm On Jan 31
i hope all the trump stans are watching this premium tv about a model who got an Einstein visa

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GloriousGbola: 8:19pm On Jan 31
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 8:33pm On Jan 31
The Nigerians running their mouth in this thread are not hiding from ICE. If you are a Nigerian and you are hiding like me, then there is something wrong with your status. I took advantage of Biden's open border and crossed the border through Mexico thanks to Carlos for helping me with that.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 8:35pm On Jan 31
THIS CRY IS GETTING OUT OF HAND.



NICKI SAID SHE IS TRUMP NUMBER 1 FANBN AND THEY ARE HEAR CRYING.


NDO!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 8:36pm On Jan 31
ANYWAY, WAT BROUGHT ME IS ELON MUSK.



HE IS HAVING A VERY NEGATIVE INFLUENCE ON TRUMP.


I KNOW TRUMP IS NOT A BIGGOT BUT FORSURE TRUMP IS A BIGGOT.



LIKE WISE, NETANYAHU IS ANOTHER MAJOR INFLUENCER OF TRUMP BUT A POSITIVE ONE
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IMAliyu2: 8:50pm On Jan 31
Isn't it funny how Qanon's entire conspiracy theory was about a shady cabal of rich world leaders that are pdfs and abuse children.

Now we have docs with testimony from victims, confirming that is in fact happening, and they go silent, or worse defending the pdfs now.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 8:52pm On Jan 31
DID U KNOW ELON MUSK PARENTS MOVED FROM CANADA TO SOUTH AFRICA TO SUPPORT APARTHIED.



THIS INTEVIEW WAS INSIGHTFUL AND GIVES A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHO EXACTLY IS ELON MUSK AND HIS BACKGROUND.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahv3IKzMdHA
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 8:54pm On Jan 31
TRUMP IS NEVER A RACIST AND HAS ALWAYS HAD A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH BLACK AMERICAN CELEBS WHICH HAD AWLAYS BEEN RESPECTFUL.


THEY EVEN WERE ABLE TO SIT DISCUSS AND JOKE TOGETHER WITH TRUMP SPECIFICALLY, BEFORE HE EVER DREAMT TO RUN FOR OFFICE.


THEN HE RAN FOR OFFICE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, LIBS AND OBAMA LGTT MEDIA TURNS HIM INTO A RACIST.



SOMEONE THAT IS ACTUALLY A FRIEND.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 8:57pm On Jan 31
GEORGE FLOYD WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN JUSTICE UNDER OBAMA.


HE ONLY GOT JUSTICE BECAUSE TRUMP OCCUPIED THE WHITE HOUSE GO AND CHECK OTHER CASES BEFORE TRUMP ENTERED THE WHITE HOUSE IF ANYBODY WENT TO PRISON.



YET I SUPPOSE THAT IS NOTHING TO THE WOMAN DISTURBING THIS THREAD BECAUSE IT HAS YET TO REACH HER DOOR STEP.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otqkKN-wdl8
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 11:16pm On Jan 31
hey maga cultitsts basilico and co, the tyrant predator was using his hands to measure children's genitals!

How do you guys breath the same air i breath?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 11:19pm On Jan 31
cococandy:
Lewis McFadden…
There need to be at least 50 senators calling for his removal and execution! wtf! There are peddos that need to be arrested and prosecuted but this tyrant trump and his admin are protecting all of them instead of the victims. And the lewd evil things concerning this tyrant in the files is enough for him to resign on monday morning.
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