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I'm not religious but I'm definitely a very spiritual person. I've always said that religion is for people who are scared of ending up in hell. SPIRITUALITY is for those who've been there already.

To be religious only and not spiritual, is just to follow the onward form of religion, which means you are just following the shell and not going to the essence.

True religion is not about possessing the truth. No religion does that. It's is rather an invitation into a journey that leads one towards the mystery of God.

Religion is believing in someone else's experience. SPIRITUALITY is having your own experience.

SPIRITUALITY begins begins where religion ends. SPIRITUALITY is no longer about crowd. It's about personal communion with the divine.

Where have you seen a religious person who is not spiritual?

apstpaulg:
I'm not religious but I'm definitely a very spiritual person. I've always said that religion is for people who are scared of ending up in hell. SPIRITUALITY is for those who've been there already.

To be religious only and not spiritual, is just to follow the onward form of religion, which means you are just following the shell and not going to the essence.

True religion is not about possessing the truth. No religion does that. It's is rather an invitation into a journey that leads one towards the mystery of God.

Religion is believing in someone else's experience. SPIRITUALITY is having your own experience.

SPIRITUALITY begins begins where religion ends. SPIRITUALITY is no longer about crowd. It's about personal communion with the divine.

What you have done is giving a dog a bad name in order to kill it.
You don't even know what it means to be religious.
Now learn

Being religious means identifying with a religion and believing in its core teachings. It often involving belief in a god or gods, a sense of the sacred, and a moral or spiritual framework. It usually includes practices (like prayer, worship, rituals), beliefs (about the divine, life’s purpose, or what’s right and wrong), and sometimes belonging to a religious community.

People can be religious in different ways: some focus more on personal faith, others on rituals or ethics, and some on community and tradition.

In short, it is impossible to be spiritual without being religious.

Dtruthspeaker:
Where have you seen a religious person who is not spiritual?

Why comment when you have nothing really to say?
Seek both about each of them. Maybe with personal experience you will know, they might seem woven together. But, have different facts.
Anyway, good you stopped bye.

They are basically the same thing with just a slight difference or should I say distinction without a difference lol. Religion is people following and believing myths made up for them which they inherit through indoctrination. Spirituality is people believing, inventing/making up their own myths to follow. At the end empty claims are the foundations of both.

tctrills:
What you have done is giving a dog a bad name in order to kill it.
You don't even know what it means to be religious.
Now learn

Being religious means identifying with a religion and believing in its core teachings. It often involving belief in a god or gods, a sense of the sacred, and a moral or spiritual framework. It usually includes practices (like prayer, worship, rituals), beliefs (about the divine, life’s purpose, or what’s right and wrong), and sometimes belonging to a religious community.

People can be religious in different ways: some focus more on personal faith, others on rituals or ethics, and some on community and tradition.

In short, it is impossible to be spiritual without being religious.

It's good to have your view.
SPIRITUALITY is just a simple way of life and well being. Example, yoga practice.
Anyway way, I might have to revisit this soon with you.
Kinda busy now.

Lucifyre:
They are basically the same thing with just a slight difference or should I say distinction without a difference lol. Religion is people following and believing myths made up for them which they inherit through indoctrination. Spirituality is people believing, inventing/making up their own myths to follow. At the end empty claims are the foundations of both.

I think you have a deeper insight into the subject matter. Unlike the ones above.

Same thing Religion is associating with fellow spiritualists but false religions has nothing to do with spirituality so it's like comparing currency to gold Religion is like currency which makes people of all races relate easily while only few people care for gold.
So a spiritualist can turn gold to money by selling it to those who know it's value but raw cash doesn't need such again!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Same thing Religion is associating with fellow spiritualists but false religions has nothing to do with spirituality so it's like comparing currency to gold Religion is like currency which makes people of all races relate easily while only few people care for gold.
So a spiritualist can turn gold to money by selling it to those who know it's value but raw cash doesn't need such again!🙂

Love your view

apstpaulg:
It's good to have your view.
SPIRITUALITY is just a simple way of life and well being. Example, yoga practice.
Anyway way, I might have to revisit this soon with you.
Kinda busy now.

Being religious is equally a way of life.

apstpaulg:
Why comment when you have nothing really to say?
Seek both about each of them. Maybe with personal experience you will know, they might seem woven together. But, have different facts.
Anyway, good you stopped bye.

I asked a question but clearly you see you goofed so you are deflecting because you cannot reasonably answer it

tctrills:
Being religious is equally a way of life.

Yeah, obviously.
It's just more of living another man's (founder) view of life. The good side of it, is the moral side. Kinda gets coiled up with the fears of the do's & don't's. Inductrinations that simply not reflect universal Truth most times.

On the other hand, I view (through thorough research and personal experience), find SPIRITUALITY to be simply about health and well-being.

And for those who really think they are the same. I think that's to some extent wrong. Because spirituality existed even before the coming in of religion.

Dtruthspeaker:
I asked a question but clearly you see you goofed so you are deflecting because you cannot reasonably answer it

Goofed?
Sometimes, there's a level of knowledge you attain, and you don't argue, because they'll just not get it.

Secondly, that's my perspective, backed by others who have towed the same path before me and even presently.

Just like the difference between a JOB and WORK:

tctrills:
What you have done is giving a dog a bad name in order to kill it.
You don't even know what it means to be religious.
Now learn

Being religious means identifying with a religion and believing in its core teachings. It often involving belief in a god or gods, a sense of the sacred, and a moral or spiritual framework. It usually includes practices (like prayer, worship, rituals), beliefs (about the divine, life’s purpose, or what’s right and wrong), and sometimes belonging to a religious community.

People can be religious in different ways: some focus more on personal faith, others on rituals or ethics, and some on community and tradition.

In short, it is impossible to be spiritual without being religious.

No one says that they are completely out of touch with each other. You just defined religion, based on what you learned. So, why not define spirituality, with as much insight as you defined the other. You see, you might not be able to so fluent in defining the later. Because you weren't into it's study, as much as the other.
It's just like saying, "there's a difference from knowing the path, and walking the path".
Anyway, thanks for your insight. It's an open forum. But don't make it seem you are tutoring others, like you said, "now learn".
I spelt out my point. So you Just drop yours.
Note these, "never force your ethics and system of believe on others". Every one has a path.

apstpaulg:
No one says that they are completely out of touch with each other. You just defined religion, based on what you learned. So, why not define spirituality, with as much insight as you defined the other. You see, you might not be able to so fluent in defining the later. Because you weren't into it's study, as much as the other.
It's just like saying, "there's a difference from knowing the path, and walking the path".
Anyway, thanks for your insight. It's an open forum. But don't make it seem you are tutoring others, like you said, "now learn".
I spelt out my point. So you Just drop yours.
Note these, "never force your ethics and system of believe on others". Every one has a path.

Your point was that you are not religious, you are spiritual. My point is that it is simply impossible. You cannot be spiritual without being religious. They go hand in hand, and from your right up, you clearly did not understand the meaning of the word.

apstpaulg:
Yeah, obviously.
It's just more of living another man's (founder) view of life. The good side of it, is the moral side. Kinda gets coiled up with the fears of the do's & don't's. Inductrinations that simply not reflect universal Truth most times.

On the other hand, I view (through thorough research and personal experience), find SPIRITUALITY to be simply about health and well-being.

And for those who really think they are the same. I think that's to some extent wrong. Because spirituality existed even before the coming in of religion.

Still, you are misdefining the term religious. You have created an entirely false definition for the word thats why I said you are giving a dog a bad name to slay it. Yes, every religion has a founder, but if your point is that you can't be spiritual because you associate with a religion, you will be wrong. Even if you do away with all known religions and begin to worship God according to your own dictates, congrats, you have only created your own religion. So you can't escape from being religious if your goal is spirituality.

Your last point, spirituality existed even before the coming in of religion. Please explain

Real Spiritualists connect themselves for the benefit of global peace throughout the world it's a RELIGION, no spirituality without communicating with other spiritualists but when false religionists try to do the same they won't meet the goal because what they have is not real!

MaxInDHouse:
Real Spiritualists connect themselves for the benefit of global peace throughout the world it's a RELIGION, no spirituality without communicating with other spiritualists but when false religionists try to do the same they won't meet the goal because what they have is not real!

Nice view, thanks.
But, for clarity, what's a religion and what makes another (religion) false.
That's the problem with religion. Always confusing its own believers with different inductrinations, under the very same religion.
Here's my view on SPIRITUALITY, it has to do with relating with yourself, others and nature, irrespective of their system of believe.
In the other hand, a religious person, example Christian, sees an opposite religion as an enemy. Due to the norms and forms guiding the Christian faith. Mind you, am only using Christianity as a reference point. Nothing personal. Even under the same faith, you have different beliefs, like the Pentecostal, saying that the Catholic faith and others are fake. Even in the Muslim believe, you have extremist and fanatics. So, we all, even the non religious, believe in a divine universal intelligence (God). What separates the R from the S, is how they chose to relate with the universe (God).

tctrills:
Still, you are misdefining the term religious. You have created an entirely false definition for the word thats why I said you are giving a dog a bad name to slay it. Yes, every religion has a founder, but if your point is that you can't be spiritual because you associate with a religion, you will be wrong. Even if you do away with all known religions and begin to worship God according to your own dictates, congrats, you have only created your own religion. So you can't escape from being religious if your goal is spirituality.

Your last point, spirituality existed even before the coming in of religion. Please explain

No, sorry friend. At no point have I said that it can't work together.
And as for the fact that I said spirituality existed before religion, I think that's correct. Though all channels relate to the same universe (God). At least, we know the history of most religions. Yet, before them, people still relates with the universe. I used a very distinct example, Yoga, relates with the universal energy (God), through, keeping fit, and meditation. An animists, relates with God by simply loving creatures.... The list goes on.

apstpaulg:
➜I'm not religious but I'm definitely a very spiritual person. I've always said that religion is for people who are scared of ending up in hell. SPIRITUALITY is for those who've been there already. To be religious only and not spiritual, is just to follow the onward form of religion, which means you are just following the shell and not going to the essence.
➜ True religion is not about possessing the truth. No religion does that. It's is rather an invitation into a journey that leads one towards the mystery of God. Religion is believing in someone else's experience. SPIRITUALITY is having your own experience.
SPIRITUALITY begins begins where religion ends. SPIRITUALITY is no longer about crowd. It's about personal communion with the divine.

What hell have you been to? When? How did you return from it? 🥱🥱🥱

2. So, Spirituality is another religious ideal claiming to be the true religion? 🥱🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
What hell have you been to? When? How did you return from it? 🥱🥱🥱

2. So, Spirituality is another religious ideal claiming to be the true religion? 🥱🥱🥱

I anticipated your comment.
Besides, hell is just a state of mind, so is heaven.

Secondly, SPIRITUALITY to me and like-minded people, isn't with norms and forms that blind or confuse it's gullible followers.

SPIRITUALITY, I never said was a true religion. But on the flip side, it's just being true to yourself without mythology or fantasy religion paints

apstpaulg:
✓ I anticipated your comment. Besides, hell is just a state of mind, so is heaven.
✓ Secondly, SPIRITUALITY to me and like-minded people, isn't with norms and forms that blind or confuse it's gullible followers.
✓ SPIRITUALITY, I never said was a true religion. But on the flip side, it's just being true to yourself without mythology or fantasy religion paints

2. Hell is a state of mind experienced only by those who believe as you do, or by all? Which one? 🥱🥱

2. And it couldn't simply be the case that you and like-minded are merely blinded and confused by your very own form of religion, which leaves you believing your ideas are(also without proof) superior to people of other beliefs? 🥱🥱

3. Being true to yourself makes you a spiritual person? What of those of us who don't buy into all the religious fumes, and are also true to ourselves, but don't want any of the spiritual nonsense?

I am still trying to understand what you mean by spirituality being different from religion. I get that religion is a system of control over the masses/group, but if you are around those whom you claim are like-minded and you are organized, don't you all need norms and forms to better interact with each other regarding our ideas, which according to you, are not based on the tangibles like mental or bodily health but that which cannot be measured ...the same things the religious spew. 🥱🥱

apstpaulg:
Nice view, thanks.
But, for clarity, what's a religion and what makes another (religion) false.

You asked two important questions!

[1] What is RELIGION?
Religion is a system that brings together spiritualists from different nations, works of life, class, social background and makes them One global family of peace loving worshipers as they think alike using spirituality to set standards among themselves which will eventually lead to peaceful coexistence among them.

[2] What is FALSE RELIGION?
False religion is a system that brings the people living in the same neighborhood together with the purpose of imitating true religion but it's void of spirituality so adherents of false religions can't cohabit peacefully among themselves instead they will continue to be turn apart due to racism and politics since they are not spiritually glued together as one family.

Remember that false religions is all about imitation so books meant for adherents of true religion will be found in their hands and they may choose to bear names similar to adherents of the true religion but since there is no spirituality everything they holds will fail and each of them will end up selfishly seeking his or her own personal interest!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
You asked two important questions!

[1] What is RELIGION?
Religion is a system that brings together spiritualists from different nations, works of life, class, social background and makes them One global family of peace loving worshipers as they think alike using spirituality to set standards among themselves which will eventually lead to peaceful coexistence among them.

[2] What is FALSE RELIGION?
False religion is a system that brings the people living in the same neighborhood together with the purpose of imitating true religion but it's void of spirituality so adherents of false religions can't cohabit peacefully among themselves instead they will continue to be turn apart due to racism and politics since they are not spiritually glued together as one family.

Remember that false religions is all about imitation so books meant for adherents of true religion will be found in their hands and they may choose to bear names similar to adherents of the true religion but since there is no spirituality everything they holds will fail and each of them will end up selfishly seeking his or her own personal interest!🙂

Noted.
I hope those who needs this find it resourceful.

apstpaulg:
Noted.
I hope those who needs this find it resourceful.

We search for them ourselves like real spiritualist should because spirituality is not a possession of all kinds of people so we don't expect everyone we see to be spiritual but when we meet them in any nation we know how to identify our own brothers.
For instance you said:

apstpaulg:
Here's my view on SPIRITUALITY, it has to do with relating with yourself, others and nature.

The above you rightly said about those who are truly spiritual in nature but when they are born into false religions we reason with them and through our discussion with them they are awaken to know their real nature then they join their brothers globally as one family!

apstpaulg:
No, sorry friend. At no point have I said that it can't work together.
And as for the fact that I said spirituality existed before religion, I think that's correct. Though all channels relate to the same universe (God). At least, we know the history of most religions. Yet, before them, people still relates with the universe. I used a very distinct example, Yoga, relates with the universal energy (God), through, keeping fit, and meditation. An animists, relates with God by simply loving creatures.... The list goes on.

So yoga existed before religion according to you? You believe that the first humans practiced yoga and not religion, but do you have any evidence of that or is it just an opinion?
And in case you don't know, yoga is the product of certain religious groups so saying that it came before religion is false.

But then, I finally understand you. You don't have any specific religion, you just do your yoga.

tctrills:
Being religious means identifying with a religion and believing in its core teachings. It often involving belief in a god or gods, a sense of the sacred, and a moral or spiritual framework. It usually includes practices (like prayer, worship, rituals), beliefs (about the divine, life’s purpose, or what’s right and wrong), and sometimes belonging to a religious community.

People can be religious in different ways: some focus more on personal faith, others on rituals or ethics, and some on community and tradition.

In short, it is impossible to be spiritual without being religious.

You have only described what it means to be religious, and then made a logical leap to the conclusion that "It is impossible to be spiritual without being religious".

You left out the most important question:

What does it mean to be spiritual?.

Unless you're claiming that being religious is the same thing as being spiritual, which I disagree with, your final summation does not make logical sense.

Most people claiming spiritual always end up to be totally ignorant of what they do claim.

First of all spirituality isn't about knowing all rather it means helping others around you with the little you know but where most self acclaimed spiritualists fail woefully is when they are thinking that all spiritualists should be on the same level of understanding.

Of course there is nothing like that if we want to be honest reality teaches that in all facets of life there is always levels of understanding it has never been the same!🙂

triplechoice:
You have only described what it means to be religious, and then made a logical leap to the conclusion that "It is impossible to be spiritual without being religious".

You left out the most important question:

What does it mean to be spiritual?.

Unless you're claiming that being religious is the same thing as being spiritual, which I disagree with, your final summation does not make logical sense.

I did not see any need to define spirituality. My only purpose was to correct your wrong understanding of religion and being religious.
To me, you meant to say that you do not prescribe to organized religion.

tctrills:
I did not see any need to define spirituality. My only purpose was to correct your wrong understanding of religion and being religious.
To me, you meant to say that you do not prescribe to organized religion.

You have mistaken me for the person your correction was originally meant for.

I joined the conversion you were having with him for one specific reason. I disagreed with the logic of your final conclusion that "it is impossible to be spiritual without being religious", because you described only one side of the contrast.

I am yet to offer my own description of religion or spirituality. My objection was that you provided a definition of "being religious" or being subscribe to organised religion, and then used it to dismiss "being spiritual" without ever defining what "spiritual' means..

It is like trying to clap with one hand. No sound will ever be produced.

Your reluctance to define "spiritual" suggests you assume it is synonymous with "religious". No. it is not. That is an error. Both terms are widely understood as distinct concepts. Arguing as if they are the same means you're dismissing a straw man, a version of "spirituality" you haven't defined, based on an assumption you haven't justified.

So, I still insist that your conclusion is not a logical deduction. And until you provide a definition for "spirituality" your assertion is an unfounded one.