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P1PrinceKT:
There's no tribalism in Islam. If you are worried you can became Sultan in your Area or Community no body will stop you from that.

Keep quiet my friend. There's no tribalism in Islam yet no Yoruba can be the president of supreme Council of Islamic affairs in Nigeria.
Make una dey deceive una self. Why must the position be reserved for the Sultan. Who made the position leader of all Nigerian Muslims when lots of ethnic groups in Nigeria including Yoruba were already practicing Islam when the Sultan was pagan.

Lukuluku69:
Psalms 104:19 (KJV) He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

The word MONTH came from the word MOONTH meaning the MOON OF SO AND SO PERIOD.

So, basically it is the MOONTH/MOON OF JANUS for January

To reckon time with the MOON is a Divine instruction.

Every civilisation base their planting and harvesting time around theoon. They use the moon to determine the seasons within a year.

Nothing new here.

Unfortunately it was the lunar calender is 11 days short of a year and that brings about slow shift of seasons.
That's why later civilisation were forced to adhere with solar calender rather than lunar.

If u notice, your Ramadan is always jumping up and down. It can be in the winter, summer, spring, dry or rainy season. It's never consistent.

Nobody wants that kind of calender for future planning and organizational stability.

Must only the Fulani be the sultan and head of muslims in Nigeria? Are they more superior or Islamic than the hausas, Yoruba and other ethnic muslims? . Even the pope is been headed by different nationality . Yoruba ronu o

lol. So what does that symbol signify o

Symbols represents.

Logos and symbols

Basic123:
so,using thing as a logo means that thing is being worshiped......some people are dull than imagined

Basic123:
Where in the article is it written that it has something to do with banditry?

If your brain is linking the two in thay article then you need a brain check.


Its like asking what is the relationship between tithe banditry,fake miracles and born of jesus christ in a thread talking strictly about christmas

It's you who needs a brain check. You theists are usually blind to criticism.........if you don't see the connection between I s. l a. m, banditry, terrorism and moon sighting then there's nothing to say to you.

FatherLord:
Must only the Fulani be the sultan and head of muslims in Nigeria? Are they more superior or Islamic than the hausas, Yoruba and other ethnic muslims? . Even the pope is been headed by different nationality . Yoruba ronu o

And it's not like the Fulani are majority anywhere yet they are emirs over a majority Hausa and Yoruba in Kwara.....thanks to Usman Dan Fodio.

I see the moon, the moon see me.
God bless the moon and God bless me.

SIRTee15:
Keep quiet my friend. There's no tribalism in Islam yet no Yoruba can be the president of supreme Council of Islamic affairs in Nigeria.
Make una dey deceive una self. Why must the position be reserved for the Sultan. Who made the position leader of all Nigerian Muslims when lots of ethnic groups in Nigeria including Yoruba were already practicing Islam when the Sultan was pagan.

Why are you concern about only Yoruba why not Igbo or Tivi Muslims.

See! your words simply tell who you're. You're either a non Muslim or Yoruba Christian.

Muslims have their own manner of speaking... You can't hide the fact we can figure you out.

If you're truly Muslim or educated one you would know that we don't value tribe better than religion.
That's why no body is advertising your division.

SIRTee15:
Every civilisation base their planting and harvesting time around theoon. They use the moon to determine the seasons within a year.

Nothing new here.

Unfortunately it was the lunar calender is 11 days short of a year and that brings about slow shift of seasons.
That's why later civilisation were forced to adhere with solar calender rather than lunar.

If u notice, your Ramadan is always jumping up and down. It can be in the winter, summer, spring, dry or rainy season. It's never consistent.

Nobody wants that kind of calender for future planning and organizational stability.

If you notice Taiwo, you will also see that your Jewish Lords holidays always jump up and down and the one you called the saviour observe same holidays that jump up amd down until the Roman pagans changed the way Jehovah ordained Seasons to be reckoned with below.

Psalms 104:19 (KJV) He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

FatherLord:
Must only the Fulani be the sultan and head of muslims in Nigeria? Are they more superior or Islamic than the hausas, Yoruba and other ethnic muslims? . Even the pope is been headed by different nationality . Yoruba ronu o

You raised a valid point but in this things there are some stuff that is given.

I will explain.

The same way the Queen/King of England is the Head of the Church of England is the same way The Sultan the Amir Al-muimeen in Nigeria.

And just has the Pope is the Head in Vatican. This thing simply have a Political ramifications you lots don't seems to have grasp of.

Despite the fact that there is an Archbishop in Canterbury the Queen/King still heads the Church of England. It is simply Political. And the Sultan holds that same position as the Leader of the Faithfuls.

Lukuluku69:
You raised a valid point but in this things there are some stuff that is given.

I will explain.

The same way the Queen/King of England is the Head of the Church of England is the same way The Sultan the Amir Al-muimeen in Nigeria.

And just has the Pope is the Head in Vatican. This thing simply have a Political ramifications you lots don't seems to have grasp of.

Despite the fact that there is an Archbishop in Canterbury the Queen/King still heads the Church of England. It is simply Political. And the Sultan holds that same position as the Leader of the Faithfuls.

The Sultan is a traditional ruler of the Sokoto caliphate. The Queen of England is the monarch of England. The Sultan didn't bring Islam to the Yoruba and the Yoruba have more achievements in Islam than the Fulani. There is no reason any right thinking Yoruba will agree to be sidelined from Nigerian Muslim leadership

lawani:
The Sultan is a traditional ruler of the Sokoto caliphate. The Queen of England is the monarch of England. The Sultan didn't bring Islam to the Yoruba and the Yoruba have more achievements in Islam than the Fulani. There is no reason any right thinking Yoruba will agree to be sidelined from Nigerian Muslim leadership

Funny thing is that this arrangement has never been in contention for sometimes now until the agitations in recent times.

In any case, it is Sunnah of our Blessed Prophet who teaches that in an entity or any entity for that matter even if they are just 2 in numbers, they must assigned a Leader!

In Nigeria today, that Leader of the Faithful is the Sultan.

I am Yoruba and Muslim and I subscribed more to been led by the Sultan than our Obas when it comes to Islamic stuff.

Lukuluku69:
Funny thing is that this arrangement has never been in contention for sometimes now until the agitations in recent times.

In any case, it is Sunnah of our Blessed Prophet who teaches that in an entity or any entity for that matter even if they are just 2 in numbers, they must assigned a Leader!

In Nigeria today, that Leader of the Faithful is the Sultan.

I am Yoruba and Muslim and I subscribed more to been led by the Sultan than our Obas when it comes to Islamic stuff.

It's basically an arrangement that the Sultan of Sokoto is the President-General of the Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs (SCIA), while a southerner is the secretary-general.

The position of president-general is kind of like the presidency in the first republic, it's more of a ceremonial position. The day to day running of the SCIA is in the hands of the secretary-general.

The secretary-general of the SCIA for a long time was Dr Lateef Adegbite and after he died Professor Ishaq Oloyede became the secretary-general.

They select members of the Moon Sighting Committee, etc. The Sultan simply makes the announcement as the public face of the council.

This provides balance.

naptu2:
It's basically an arrangement that the Sultan of Sokoto is the President-General of the Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs (SCIA), while a southerner is the secretary-general.

The position of president-general is kind of like the presidency in the first republic, it's more of a ceremonial position. The day to day running of the SCIA is in the hands of the secretary-general.

The secretary-general of the SCIA for a long time was Dr Lateef Adegbite and after he died Professor Ishaq Oloyede became the secretary-general.

They select members of the Moon Sighting Committee, etc. The Sultan simply makes the announcement as the public face of the council.

This provides balance.

Thank you for this. (For those who want to troll)

I have always known that the Secretary General position is always reserved for the Southern Muslims( the Yorubas being the largest of this group in Nigeria)

Thank you once again.

I am Yoruba and a Muslim, I subscribed to the Sultan being the Leader of the Faithfuls than any Yoruba Oba when the matter being discussed is Islam.

Lukuluku69:
Funny thing is that this arrangement has never been in contention for sometimes now until the agitations in recent times.

In any case, it is Sunnah of our Blessed Prophet who teaches that in an entity or any entity for that matter even if they are just 2 in numbers, they must assigned a Leader!

In Nigeria today, that Leader of the Faithful is the Sultan.

I am Yoruba and Muslim and I subscribed more to been led by the Sultan than our Obas when it comes to Islamic stuff.

There was never a time that the Yoruba majority ever followed the Sultan. They have always been following their own path. You are free as an individual minority to take the Sultan as your leader. The Obas in Yoruba land don't do religion. They are not promoting either Christianity or Islam. They are seen as father of all

lawani:
There was never a time that the Yoruba majority ever followed the Sultan. They have always been following their own path. You are free as an individual minority to take the Sultan as your leader. The Obas in Yoruba land don't do religion. They are not promoting either Christianity or Islam. They are seen as father of all

Majority have been following the Sultan. I don't expect you to know and if you know you are deliberately being antagonistic.

The Obas in Yoruba Land can adjudicate nor pass Fatwa on Islamic matter, yes they are fathers to all but they don't amd can't tell us when to start Ramadan or when to stop.

S8nce they are not promoters of Islam, how them do you want me to follow them on Islamic matters?

How?

Lukuluku69:
If you notice Taiwo, you will also see that your Jewish Lords holidays always jump up and down and the one you called the saviour observe same holidays that jump up amd down until the Roman pagans changed the way Jehovah ordained Seasons to be reckoned with below.

Psalms 104:19 (KJV) He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

I already told u previous civilisation base their timing on lunar calendar. That was when civilisation was simple.

As civilisation became more advanced, the lunar calender was no longer feasible.
Saudi Arabia had to shift public-sector salaries from lunar to solar (2016) partly to reduce payroll costs because they were workers more frequently for doing nothing.

Jesus didn't come to fix fasting to a specific month or period. The concept of fasting is completely different in the bible, in fact fasting has little to do with eating or drinking.

It's your prophet that fixed fasting with an unpredictable lunar calendar and got u guys fixed with the problem since.

SIRTee15:
I already told u previous civilisation base their timing on lunar calendar. That was when civilisation was simple.

As civilisation became more advanced, the lunar calender was no longer feasible.
Saudi Arabia had to shift public-sector salaries from lunar to solar (2016) partly to reduce payroll costs because they were workers more frequently for doing nothing.

Jesus didn't come to fix fasting to a specific month or period. The concept of fasting is completely different in the bible, in fact fasting has little to do with eating or drinking.

It's your prophet that fixed fasting with an unpredictable lunar calendar and got u guys fixed with the problem since.

Then do yourself a favour and shut up!

The same Saudi Arabia just declared tomorrow the first of Ramadan.

Muslims won't complain but trust these man worshippers to bleating all over peoples mention.

Jehovah said reckon time amd seasons with the moon but you are disposed to the Pagan Romans system and when we tell you that you are man worshippers and obey the commands of men above that of Jehovah the Daddy of your Lord and saviour, una go be all over the place.

Shior

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Franking:
What has sighting the moon got to do with anything? Terrorists and bandits will still do their thing.

Tinumbu's hardship will still affect everyone.

Religion is the opium of the masses. Like Islam like Christianity.....wayo.

SIRTee15:
I already told u previous civilisation base their timing on lunar calendar. That was when civilisation was simple.

As civilisation became more advanced, the lunar calender was no longer feasible.
Saudi Arabia had to shift public-sector salaries from lunar to solar (2016) partly to reduce payroll costs because they were workers more frequently for doing nothing.

Jesus didn't come to fix fasting to a specific month or period. The concept of fasting is completely different in the bible, in fact fasting has little to do with eating or drinking.

It's your prophet that fixed fasting with an unpredictable lunar calendar and got u guys fixed with the problem since.

Psalms 104:19 (KJV) He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

See what Jehovah appointed above you man worshipper

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Lukuluku69:
Majority have been following the Sultan. I don't expect you to know and if you know you are deliberately being antagonistic.

The Obas in Yoruba Land can adjudicate nor pass Fatwa on Islamic matter, yes they are fathers to all but they don't amd can't tell us when to start Ramadan or when to stop.

S8nce they are not promoters of Islam, how them do you want me to follow them on Islamic matters?

How?

You have Chief Imam. Follow the person. The Obas are not part of your religion. The leadership of Islam is a security issue and if you are lax with it as a people, you will have yourself to blame sooner than later. The Yoruba have more Muslims and more clerics than the Fulani and there is no reason for them to be excluded from Islamic leadership in their own country

Lukuluku69:
Then do yourself a favour and shut up!

The same Saudi Arabia just declared tomorrow the first of Ramadan.

Muslims won't complain but trust these man worshippers to bleating all over peoples mention.

Jehovah said reckon time amd seasons with the moon but you are disposed to the Pagan Romans system and when we tell you that you are man worshippers and obey the commands of men above that of Jehovah the Daddy of your Lord and saviour, una go be all over the place.

Shior

You are classic case of Education is not synonymous with intelligence at all.

Where did u learn that seasons are created by the moon or lunar movement. Who told u that
U took the bible literally and concluded seasons are based on lunar movement.

Mormor really did a strong thing on you guys with that book he called the literal word of God. Since then u guys see literal everywhere.

And to imagine he said to reckon time with moon is divine instruction. By whose commandment?

No wonder they say u guys worship a moon god, that's the only deity that can make such ignorant statement that people should use the moon to calculate season.

Read below and be educated. Learn what brings about season.

SIRTee15:
You are classic case of Education is not synonymous with intelligence at all.

Where did u learn that seasons are created by the moon or lunar movement. Who told u that
U took the bible literally and concluded seasons are based on lunar movement.

Mormor really did a strong thing on you guys with that book he called the literal word of God. Since then u guys see literal everywhere.

And to imagine he said to reckon time with moon is divine instruction. By whose commandment?

No wonder they say u guys worship a moon god, that's the only deity that can make such ignorant statement that people should use the moon to calculate season.

Read below and be educated. Learn what brings about season.

Psalms 104:19 (KJV) He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

Argue with Jehovah above

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lawani:
You have Chief Imam. Follow the person. The Obas are not part of your religion. The leadership of Islam is a security issue and if you are lax with it as a people, you will have yourself to blame sooner than later. The Yoruba have more Muslims and more clerics than the Fulani and there is no reason for them to be excluded from Islamic leadership in their own country

Chief Imams are not political leaders.

In Islam, their is 2 types of Leaders (it used to be fused into ONE before namely the time of the Prophet (Peace be upon him), the four rightly guided Khalifas.

Spiritual Leaders and Political Leaders.

The Imams as we have it now are what you can term spiritual Leaders like your Padres, Pastors and the likes but there is also the Political Leaders which fits the Sultan perfectly.

The Sultan is both the Spiritual and Political Leader of Muslims in Nigeria. That doesn't mean there is no rebellion, there is but it doesn't mean a thing.

Of course I personally know Yoruba Obas that are practicing Muslims but the traditions they are holding on to disqualifies them from making a prouncement on Islam and for Muslims.

Only the Sultan fits that figure in Nigeria.

SIRTee15:
You are classic case of Education is not synonymous with intelligence at all.

Where did u learn that seasons are created by the moon or lunar movement. Who told u that
U took the bible literally and concluded seasons are based on lunar movement.

Mormor really did a strong thing on you guys with that book he called the literal word of God. Since then u guys see literal everywhere.

And to imagine he said to reckon time with moon is divine instruction. By whose commandment?

No wonder they say u guys worship a moon god, that's the only deity that can make such ignorant statement that people should use the moon to calculate season.

Read below and be educated. Learn what brings about season.

You are a dumdum.

Blame the translators of your Buble and not me.

Season in that context simply means reckoning of time for festivals.

He made the moon to mark the seasons, and the sun knows when to go down." (New International Version)
Psalms 104:19. The season in that context means Festival and feast and not when the rain or snow falls.

Psalm 81:3: Instructions to sound the horn at the New Moon and full moon for festivals.

Context of the "Moon as Reckoning of Time"
The Lunar Calendar: The Hebrew calendar is lunar, with the "New Moon" (Rosh Chodesh) marking the start of a month, often a time for assembly (Numbers 10:10).
"Seasons" (Moed): The term moed refers to "appointed times" or feasts, such as Passover, which are determined by the lunar cycle (Leviticus 23, Exodus 12).

Do you understand now ye of no understanding 🤔

Lukuluku69:
Chief Imams are not political leaders.

In Islam, their is 2 types of Leaders (it used to be fused into ONE before namely the time of the Prophet (Peace be upon him), the four rightly guided Khalifas.

Spiritual Leaders and Political Leaders.

The Imams as we have it now are what you can term spiritual Leaders like your Padres, Pastors and the likes but there is also the Political Leaders which fits the Sultan perfectly.

The Sultan is both the Spiritual and Political Leader of Muslims in Nigeria. That doesn't mean there is no rebellion, there is but it doesn't mean a thing.

Of course I personally know Yoruba Obas that are practicing Muslims but the traditions they are holding on to disqualifies them from making a prouncement on Islam and for Muslims.

Only the Sultan fits that figure in Nigeria.

The head of your league of Imams in Yoruba land is enough for you as political leader of Muslims. If a Yoruba can not be leader of Muslims in Nigeria then Yoruba Muslims would be foolish to recognize such leadership and Yoruba institutions would be foolish to do same. Muslims are prone to brainwashing and etc, it is therefore important to manage the leadership.

lawani:
The head of your league of Imams in Yoruba land is enough for you as political leader of Muslims. If a Yoruba can not be leader of Muslims in Nigeria then Yoruba Muslims would be foolish to recognize such leadership and Yoruba institutions would be foolish to do same. Muslims are prone to brainwashing and etc, it is therefore important to manage the leadership.

This is not Christianity Padre, the League of Imams are not political Leaders but spiritual ones.

Muslims in Yoruba Land are well aware of the arrangement and they are not complaining (at least a larger percentage are not complaining)

As a matter of fact, it is non of your business who the Muslims in the South dithers to.

Go face your Church business.

Senior Advocate of the Yoruba Muslims (SATM)

Abeg rest...

Moon wey full everywhere, Why are they looking for it. Rather than look for the Salvation of your soul