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BlackViper:
Typical Life in the North under shariah law where divorce is the exclusive right of the man and he doesn't even need to go to court to get a divorce.

All he has to do is say: "I divorce you" to his wife 3 times in the presence of 2 adult male witnesses and the marriage automatically comes to an end. This is known as "Triple Talaq."

Under Islamic law, the husband can divorce his wife for any reason or for no reason and at any time he feels like doing so.

Meanwhile a Muslim wife can only divorce her husband under one condition and one condition only. This condition is, if he leaves Islam. She cannot divorce him because he's unfaithful to her and she cannot divorce him on the grounds of domestic violence because the koran allows husbands to "discipline" their wives

Which kinda religion is this that create disfunctional homes, social chaos, promiscuity & treat women lesser than a goat.

Thundafireseun:
Divorce affects Children in America, Canada , East, south and west negatively….

Why is the Noth mentioned?

I don't see almajiri s in all of those places

Kobojunkie:
@DesireV, please stop lying against your Quran. It is only women who have issues and sins when it comes to divorce. That is as clearly stated in several passages in your Quran. A man can literally divorce a man without even needing to set foot in Sharia court, and he does not need to answer to anyone as far as his decision is concerned. This is according to Mohammed in the Quran you claim to follow. 🥱🥱

Bring references.
This is one beautiful thing about Islam and shariah. It's not something you can sit in the corner of your room and make up. Sharia means Qur'an and sunnah based. Not some wishful thoughts like you typed above.

Can you kindly bring Qur'an and sunnah references to these your assertions? Show the world the "several passages"

bizzibodi:
➜Which kinda religion is this that create disfunctional homes, social chaos, promiscuity & treat women lesser than a goat.

You can read the Quran for yourself to find out for yourself about the man who created the ideology that is Islam. Go to Quran.com and read through each chapter in your spare time this year. You won't regret it.

ChngedChnges:
Good write up. Then I ask, if there's political disputes between 2 candidates of non Christian background why don't they take it to the sharia court since the whole system is Christianized?

Firstly, shariah doesn't recognize democracy itself. Only a legal system that recognizes democracy is most appropriate to hear matters relating to it.

Secondly, it shows the motives around the kind of "shariah" being practised in some sections of the world and how it has been weaponised. There is no selective justice under the shariah law. A case where punishment is for the poor and not the elite has no place in shariah law. The elites know this and hide behind common law that's easier to be bent. I read a news of some shariah court workers who misappropriated funds of some orphans. They requested to be tried under the common law system because they know what awaits them if they met an upright shariah law judge.

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DesireV:
➜Bring references.
This is one beautiful thing about Islam and shariah. It's not something you can sit in corner of your room and make up. Sharia means Qur'an and sunnah based. Not some wishful thoughts like you typed above.
Can you kindly bring Qur'an and sunnah references to these your assertions? Show the world the "several passages"

. The Quran is literally the only reference necessary here. 🥱🥱

➜ A man only needs divorce her three times Quran 2 vs 230. That passage says nothing of the man needing a valid reason to seek divorce. One could even argue that Quran 2 vs 223 gives the man the right to marry and divorce as he chooses, since the woman is farmland for him to use as he so pleases. Quran 4 vs 19-20 suggests that ordinarily disliking a wife is reason enough for a man to wish to divorce her, or merely a desire to replace a wife with another as reason enough.

A woman, on the other hand, needs to provide a valid reason to seek divorce from her husband, after which she can then approach a court where her case will be heard and possibly only approved at the consent of the same husband she wishes to be cut away from. The woman has no right as far as divorce is concerned. She is required to seek approval before she can have it.
➜ Iddah is primarily to keep the woman from moving on immediately after a divorce Quran 65 v 1-5
➜ Quran 2 vs 228 - 237 explains the man's rights as far as the woman he chooses to marry or divorce.

DesireV:
➜Firstly, shariah doesn't recognize democracy itself. Only a legal system that recognizes democracy is most appropriate to hear matters relating to it.
➜ Secondly, it shows the motives around the kind of "shariah" being practised in some sections of the world and how it has been weaponised. There is no selective justice under the shariah law.
➜ A case where punishment is for the poor and not the elite has no place is shariah law. The elites know this and hide behind common law that's easier to be bent. I read a news of some shariah court workers who misappropriated funds of some orphans. They requested to be tried under the common law system because they know what awaits them if they met an upright shariah law judge.

1. You are right here, and that happens to be because Sharia is a system incompatible with democracy.

2. Wrong! Sharia as practiced in places like Afghanistan, for example, more closely mirrors ideas recorded in the Quran and the Hadiths — Sunnah —than any others out there do. How can it be considered "weaponized" when it is the most authentic form of Sharia that exists? 🥱🥱🥱

3. Seems you have never read your Quran and Haddiths, which make clear that punishment in the system is left for the weak...Dhimmis, women, the poor, and disenfranchised.

Kobojunkie:
It is no mockery! It is an Islamic kind of marriage. 🥱🥱🥱

This kind of marriage allows but men & women to have multiple partners(sampling)....one man's wife today can be another man's wife tomorrow and vice versa.
If a woman don't like her husband and she is eyeing another man is just to anger the man enough to do a triple talaq and she will be free to marry the other man tomorrow.

Kobojunkie:
You can read the Quran for yourself to find out for yourself about the man who created the ideology that is Islam. Go to Quran.com and read through each chapter in your spare time this year. You won't regret it.

.No need for that I know about it more than you.

DesireV:
Firstly, shariah doesn't recognize democracy itself. Only a legal system that recognizes democracy is most appropriate to hear matters relating to it.

Secondly, it shows the motives around the kind of "shariah" being practised in some sections of the world and how it has been weaponised. There is no selective justice under the shariah law. A case where punishment is for the poor and not the elite has no place is shariah law. The elites know this and hide behind common law that's easier to be bent. I read a news of some shariah court workers who misappropriated funds of some orphans. They requested to be tried under the common law system because they know what awaits them if they met an upright shariah law judge.

Is it a right of a Muslim not to be tried under sharia law?

bizzibodi:
➜This kind of marriage allows but men & women to have multiple partners(sampling)....one man's wife today can be another man's wife tomorrow and vice versa.
➜ If a woman don't like her husband and she is eyeing another man is just to anger the man enough to do a triple talaq and she will be free to marry the other man tomorrow.

Wrong! It does not allow the woman. Rather, it allows the man to sample as many women as he chooses. The women are victims of circumstance in all of it. That a woman is married to one man today and thrown away by him the next day, only for another man to come along and marry her— rinse and repeat— does not mean the woman is allowed anything. She isn't ultimately the one choosing any of it. She is literally only able to go along with the ride-along as she can.

2. Wrong! A man can only divorce his wife if and only if her request for divorce is approved by a court of men or by her husband. Otherwise, she has to stay married to the man until he gets tired of her. It is never the woman to cause the man, rather it is the man's desire or dislike or whatever else that pushes the man to wish to divorce her. If the man hates her so, he could falsely accuse her of adultery and have her humiliated and all. So, again, it is not the woman but the man in charge.

bizzibodi:
.No need for that I know about it more than you.

Not according to your recent response. Read the book, so you can at least argue from the facts stated in the book and not gossip/tales. 🥱🥱

when i served in the North. i noticed 2 different threads among ladies:

(1) among christians or non-muslims: alot of single un-married ladies between age 21-28yrs, but once married over 80% stayed married with kids even till old age

(2) Muslims: alot of young wives some as young as 19yrs, then between 21-35yrs alot of divorcee. >35yrs you see alot of women suffering as divorced women.

And i tell people, this is not what is practice in places like the Saudi / Qatar / UAE etc, when you go there, you will see alot of their ladies well kept and respected.

i think the north government, especially Northern governor`s wives need to do more to help females in the North

ChngedChnges:
Then why not disintegrate from the country and have one solely for yourselves. Don't you think it'll stop the unnecessary friction?

So that means any Muslim practicing Nigeria politics and democracy including you have sinned against the Sharia law and is liable for the repercussions?

Individuals don't disintegrate from a country. If you break Nigeria into 10 countries today, none of the 10 will be made up of only adherents of a faith. I'm not even sure there is a state in Nigeria today with 100% population of adherents of just one religion. There are minorities everywhere. How do you protect their interests? Breaking a country along religious lines isn't the best.
It's even selfish of you to think asking the North to go is fair. Do you think about Northern Christians? Do you think Southern Muslims won't seek the protection of their interests?
Rather, a system that protects the interest of every citizen is better.
A system that will protect Deborah Yakubu among Muslims and pregnant Harirah Jubril with her children among Christians. A system where everyone is protected and tolerated!

Your second paragraph is the intolerant you trying to dabble into what you're ignorant of. It's not correct anyways. Lolll.
Islam enjoins Muslims to respect the authorities. Nigeria is a secular state and the system of governance is democracy. This doesn't mean the basic rights of Muslims guaranteed under the same secular constitution should be trampled upon. As at today, the constitution guarantees every Nigerian freedom of belief and association. Our constitution recognizes the sharia legal system. I will implore non Christian Nigerians to tolerate the rights of their fellow countrymen as guaranteed in the constitution.

bizzibodi:
Is it a right of a Muslim not to be tried under sharia law?

Yes, in a secular state that operates multiple legal systems.
Remember it's democracy, government of choice.

Kobojunkie:
. The Quran is literally the only reference necessary here. 🥱🥱

➜ A man only needs divorce her three times Quran 2 vs 230. That passage says nothing of the man needing a valid reason to seek divorce.
➜ Quran 2 vs 228 - 237 explains the man's rights as far as the woman he chooses to marry or divorce.

Thank you for bringing references. Let's take them one by one.

Baqarah: 228-237 is about what I earlier stated.
A man can only take his wife back if he divorced her twice. After the third one, she becomes unlawful to him to marry until she marries another man. Check my earlier post. Your reference is supporting my point.

None of these verses you referenced is supporting your claim.
237 has even moved on to another theme or which version of the Quran should I check?

Beautiful Islam. 237 says if a man divorces a woman before consummation, she should be given what has been fixed. No faith respects women like this! But KOBOJUNKIE used it as reference for man's right as far as woman he chooses to marry or divorce. No correlation. Anyone who saw your typed references would think you're making sense.

Just see 233. Only in Islam! The Biblical God says He would punish children for the iniquities of fathers, up to the 4th generation Islam says, no man will be punished for another person's iniquities. Which sounds fair?
It even recommended 2years of breastfeeding, allowing flexibilities. Which medicine has proven.

I don't know what you guys gain in misleading people.

DesireV:
Thank you for bringing references. Let's take them one by one.
Baqarah: 228-237 is about what I earlier stated.
A man can only take his wife back if he divorced her twice. After the third one, she becomes unlawful to him to marry until she marries another man. Check my earlier post. Your reference is supporting my point.
➜None of these verses you referenced is supporting your claim or which version of the Quran should I check?

Again, you are lying! 🥱🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
. The Quran is literally the only reference necessary here. 🥱🥱

Quran 4 vs 19-20 suggests that ordinarily disliking a wife is reason enough for a man to wish to divorce her, or merely a desire to replace a wife with another as reason enough.

How is this related?

Again, some African cultures inherit women. Islam says No! Some cultures forbid females from inheriting her dad, e.g SE Nigerian culture. Islam says No and empowers her. Sweet Islam

DesireV:
➜How is this related?
➜Again, some African cultures inherit women. Islam says No!
➜ Some cultures forbids females from inheriting her dad, Islam says No and empowers her. Sweet Islam

1. It is unrelated because you don't want it to be related, which is literally the same as denying Mohammed and Allah.

2. Because Islam says no to inheriting by women in one verse, you take it that we should ignore everything else Islam says regarding the divorcing of women that one is married to in the adjacent verses? 🥱🥱

3. The topic, again, is not some culture but Islam, and the false claims you made earlier regarding the issuing of divorce for the man and woman in Islam. 🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
. The Quran is literally the only reference necessary here. 🥱🥱
➜ Iddah is primarily to keep the woman from moving on immediately after a divorce Quran 65 v 1-5

Iddah is for what I explained earlier and the reference you gave supports it .
Your reference isn't supporting your claims.

All these verses keep stressing kindness, fairness with women. How then can an irresponsible person who is maltreating his women pin it on Islam? It can't be Islam!

I ordinarily know you to be one of NL's most active trolls and wouldn't have dignified you with a response but it's an avenue to drive home the points I made earlier.

Who takes a junkie serious anyways. Fear the wrath of the Almighty and stop blackmailing Islam. Say only the exact things Islam says.
I pray you receive proper guidance soonest.
I'm sorry I wouldn't reply any of your mentions again.
Thank you.

Clearly, being a Mohammedan literally means denying even that which is clear as day in the Quran. 🥱🥱🥱

gracias124:
Its a skit, and the guy is chasing clout nd looking for engagements. Thats not how it works in reality

so how does it work?

babajero:
so how does it work?

It is saying Talaq three times for a man to divorce his wife.🥱

The woman does not enjoy the same freedom as she has to apply to be granted divorce by a committee of men which may include her husband. In most cases, she is granted divorce only if her husband approves. This is as Mohamed, the prime example for all Mohammedians had it and decreed it should be. 🥱🥱

DesireV:
Individuals don't disintegrate from a country. If you break Nigeria into 10 countries today, none of the 10 will be made up of only adherents of a faith. I'm not even sure there is a state in Nigeria today with 100% population of adherents of just one religion. There are minorities everywhere. How do you protect their interests? Breaking a country along religious lines isn't the best.
It's even selfish of you to think asking the North to go is fair. Do you think about Northern Christians? Do you think Southern Muslims won't seek the protection of their interests?
Rather, a system that protects the interest of every citizen is better.
A system that will protect Deborah Yakubu among Muslims and pregnant Harirah Jubril with her children among Christians. A system where everyone is protected and tolerated!

Your second paragraph is the intolerant you trying to dabble into what you're ignorant of. It's not correct anyways. Lolll.
Islam enjoins Muslims to respect the authorities. Nigeria is a secular state and the system of governance is democracy. This doesn't mean the basic rights of Muslims guaranteed under the same secular constitution should be trampled upon. As at today, the constitution guarantees every Nigerian freedom of belief and association. Our constitution recognizes the sharia legal system. I will implore non Christian Nigerians to tolerate the rights of their fellow countrymen as guaranteed in the constitution.

You've said many things bro. I'm not against them neither do I have the wealth of time to comment and prove some points. I've been in the north and I've had personal experiences what you've written is good but it's not achievable truth be told

AdolfHitlerxXx:
Divorce culture in the North is crazy. Especially in Kano.

Saw men divorce their wives over tea being too cold. Talaq, Talaq and Talaq... You don land for your Papa house.

Only there will you see a man divorce a pregnant woman. She too as soon she can force the baby to wean, she can go and drop off the baby at their gate even with the maiguard!

Where I come from, you will be forced to stay with her at least till after she delivers.

In Kano, I know a rich man whose first 2 wives are safe because they are his cousins and the extended family wouldn't take it. The other wives 3 &4, soon as they get pregnant, they seem to irritate him because he divorces them. He's done this over 20 times. I know a Bauchi woman with 9 different husbands. 3 of them on the same street

Divorce isn't stigmatized and women use their fathers names so it's easy to hide if you don't do your homework.

I was house hunting at a point and saw a very well furnished apartment. Was wondering about the brand new electronics when agent mentioned that it was a couple who married 3 months previously but before moving into the house, they had divorced.

Side-pieces aren't really permitted, you marry her in, unlike Southern men get away with. But Northern men will marry a specific lady simply to taste the sugar. 6 months after when she's shown she can't even lay the bed... She gets her 3 Talaqs.

Thank you for this expose. Apparently, the north doesn't have high or strong morals than the south as opinionated by many northern netizens.

So, how exactly does Sharia provide morals in the society?

This means there is a high number of single mothers in Northern Nigeria and they're not stigmatised.

Gerrard59:
➜Thank you for this expose. Apparently, the north doesn't have high or strong morals than the south as opinionated by many northern netizens. So, how exactly does Sharia provide morals in the society?
➜ This means there is a high number of single mothers in Northern Nigeria and they're not stigmatised.

What exactly are these morals you speak of, and why do you go around asserting them on even those who don't have any clue what you mean, nor subscribe to whatever you believe in?

Every religion/culture/tribe/nation/group has a different set of standards as far as what you claim are morals there. So, what exactly is the intelligence behind crying "morals" here and there?🥱🥱

2. Here's what will shock your moral socks off. Single mothers in Islam are by design. And there is nothing morally wrong about their prevalence in Islam. Of course, there are eejoits in the religion who still look down on them while glossing over the fact that Mohammed himself made the proliferation unavoidable by his marriage laws. Heck, if not for the fact that he was not able to have kids, the man himself would have left behind at least 10 single mothers on his death. 🥱🥱

BlackViper:
Typical Life in the North under shariah law where divorce is the exclusive right of the man and he doesn't even need to go to court to get a divorce.

All he has to do is say: "I divorce you" to his wife 3 times in the presence of 2 adult male witnesses and the marriage automatically comes to an end. This is known as "Triple Talaq."

Under Islamic law, the husband can divorce his wife for any reason or for no reason and at any time he feels like doing so.

Meanwhile a Muslim wife can only divorce her husband under one condition and one condition only. This condition is, if he leaves Islam. She cannot divorce him because he's unfaithful to her and she cannot divorce him on the grounds of domestic violence because the koran allows husbands to "discipline" their wives

No wonder alpha males later gravitate towards Islam

This is why the phrase "Muslim feminist" amuses me 🤣🤣🤣

So, how does it work for Northern Christians who live in these Sharia governed societies?

DesireV:
Muslims should sacrifice their faith? This is easy to say because the common law upon which our system is based favours you. Flip positions and imagine it.

Personally, I support the Igbos or any group's right to freedom. So far it's the wish of the majority. I don't believe any group should sacrifice their freedom of anything for whatever reason.

If you will be stoned in Kano for discussing a topic of interest, that's Kano, not shariah.
Again, shariah doesn't contradict any provision of our constitution. If it does is anyway, make adequate references to the shariah provision that contradicts which specific constitutional provision.

The issue really is non Muslims using certain practices by some Muslims to judge Islam as a whole. This isn't fair. Kano isn't the only state in this country where shariah is adopted. Hisbah activities vary across the 12 northern states that adopted shariah. Infact, it existed only on paper in Borno. Each state has its legal framework for shariah. Northern Nigerian isn't the only region where shariah has been adopted. There are countries with Islam as state religion and shariah as the legal system. Non Muslims live in these countries without having to sacrifice anything.

Out of intolerance, rather than interrogate the real issues, non Muslims call the dog a bad name, so that it can be killed. Instead of them to find out exactly what shariah law's position is on matters, they reference what some people do under the guise of shariah and parade it as shariah.

Boss, you are intelligent and not like the average or majority person there, how many of you speak out when this atrocities, inconsistencies and actions in variance with the sharia carried out? Like the one in Kano, Kaduna, Sokoto. When there are extrajudicial killings in the south, you see southerners repel, shout and condemn it offline and online but when it happens up north, your folks say we should leave it, that we should understand their culture and religion and yet no northern challenges the majority on this opinion. Like we don't have Muslims in Lagos, oyo or Osun, like we don't have Muslims in Dubai or Saudi. I weep for this country bro. If you see hisbah carrying someone for refusing to fast, will you speak up on that person's behalf?

DesireV:
Why do you talk about what you're clearly ignorant of?
What do you have to gain in this blackmail?
What you have written aren't true. I don't know why non Muslims discuss Islam out of sheer ignorance.
Can't you just let Islam be or say the truth about it?

So, what's the true aspect? Why not state it so that others know what is happening. Merely saying it's a lie without stating what happens doesn't make sense.

What exactly happens?

DesireV:
Divorce isn't the exclusive right of the man in Islam. Both parties can initiate/seek divorce.
As a matter of fact, no faith discourages dissolution of marriage like Islam. It's like the last option to prevent marital disaster.

Pronouncing divorce three times at an instance is disliked in Islam, though the divorce stands. It's not the proper way. Witnesses aren't needed.
The marriage ends but there is the concept on 'iddah, only seen in Islam. The divorced wife has to do three menses in the man's house with her basic bills picked by the man 100% during this period. It's like a reconciliation window, to save the marriage. The man can take her back during this period without a new nikkah so far it's not the third divorce. A man can't marry his wife again if he has divorced her 3 times until she marries another man who consummates the marriage. Again, this is like a caution to make the man careful. Iddah is also to ensure the divorced wife isn't pregnant, so that she won't go away with the man's baby. This prevents paternity fraud.



Under Islamic law, a person who divorces his or her spouse without genuine reason is sinful. While the marriage stands dissolved here on earth, he or she will face the consequences on the day on judgement.



Wife can initiate/seek divorce just like the man. It's even more strict on the husband because if she does, there is no iddah for the husband. Also, she has only one card unlike the husband who has three. It's kinda easier for her

There is the role of the shariah court in all matters of marriage to ensure fairness among the parties. The primary goal is to save the marriage. If it doesn't work, that's when a fair dissolution comes in with the interests of the children of the marriage adequately protected.
That someone is cooking with pressing iron doesn't mean it was made for cooking. That someone is practising Islam wrongly doesn't change what Islam represents. You can talk about Islam, if you're knowledgeable about it and what you'll be saying is exactly what Islam is, not that the irresponsible behaviors and practices of some Muslims is Islamic.

This is much better and thank you for your explanation.