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eagleonearth:
God Almighty. Jehovah! The God of heaven that created you and gave you that small grey matter in your skull you are now using to reason backwards.

How do you know all this?

Gajagojo:
How do you know all this?

The Word of God told me.

eagleonearth:
The Word of God told me.

Who is the Word of God

Gajagojo:
Who is the Word of God

Read John 1vs1-10 to get your answer

eagleonearth:
Read John 1vs1-10 to get your answer

Who is John

SIRTee15:
where does subsahara start, is eritrea, ethiopia, sudan and south sudan subsahara africa or not. u are the one conflating the identity of subsahara africa to push your agenda.
u cannot be shifting the geographical location of subsahara africa as u like. it has a specific defintion and a fixed location.
so is eritrea, ethiopia, sudan and south sudan part of subsahara africa or not.


my friend, culture is dynamic, its never static. every culture is infuenced by imported traditions. The word Yoruba itself was imported, we never called ourself Yoruba to begin with, it was given to us.
I never said Tertullian or Athanasius influenced ancient Yoruba mythology, I pointed out the influence of africans on christianity because your earlier argument was that christianity was alien to africa. Now that u have swallowed your vomit and admitted xtianity isn't alien to ancient africa, no need repeating that argument or referencing them.


exception These were prominent men in their kingdom, how do u even think xtianity spread. seriously, have u actually taken time to study ancient theology and how they spread? It takes just the king to announce a faith the national religion and everyone falls in line.
That's how it is in the kingdoms mentioned in the bible and how it is in real world. In the bible, the king calls the nation to repentance and people obey.
Emperor Constantine in one edict announced xtianity the official roman empire religion and the rest is history.
Or u think an english man was one of Jesus disciples or Jesus appeared to the ancient ethiopian kingdom and told them to convert. No sir
Romans brought xtianity to England and a Phoenician brought xtianity to ethiopia. The king of aksum liked it, he converted and made the faith the national religion.

Without colonisation, these 2 religions would have made serious inroads into Yorubaland due to its adoption by prominent leaders and its just a matter of time they would replace the local ones. Already Oba Momodu Lamuye of Iwo already made Islam the official religion in the land as far back as 1820.


People adapt whatever belief to their cultural identity. xtianity isn't monlithic in Nigeria, white garment church felt very indigenous while Pentecostal felt very elitist. missionaries took the religion to Japan not colonialist and was very popular amongst the peasant due to the message of salvation.
colonial pressure only hastened what would have been an eventual dominant force if nature was allowed to take it course.


it shows u cant separate subsahara africa based on some nonsense skin colour or recent geographical location. I didnt bring it up to prove xtianity instead to show u the artificial boundary attributed to present nations has no relevance to ancient migration.
anthropologist will argue bantu people migrated from cameroon and Nigeria to east, central and west africa all the way to senegal and Tanzania, then stopped.
so why did they stop?
why didnt the bantu continue their migration to somalia, sudan, Mali, Morocco, Mauritania, Ethiopia, algeria.

They argued afrosiatic group re-migrated back to africa and spread throughout the north and eastern africa then stopped. so what happened to kenya, Tanzania, uganda, chad and central africa republic. what prevented these afroasiatic group from entering kenya and populating it?

If the berbers could occupy the hot sahara region of algeria, niger, mali. what prevented them from moving southwards and populating the lesser hot region of norther nigeria, upper volta, senegal, gambia sierra leone and ivory coast.
They could live in the desert region of sahara for thousand of years but couldnt survive in savanah part of west africa.

anthropologist even claim bantu migrated all the way down to angola, zambia, namibia then stopped, they claim bantu didnt enter south africa.
Like what stopped the migration at the south african border.
oyinbo and manipulative lies are like 5&6.

There's nothing to indicate african region is monolithic in anyway. so u cannot tell me my ancient ancestors didn't worship Jesus before me. u dont have any evidence for that.


This is just a blind argument. xtianity was introduced to England by roman colonialist just like it was introduced here. it evolved and adapted overtime. Are we going to be having this same argument in 1000 years time that xtianity is an alien import to Nigeria?


western world tried atheism and secular liberal laws for just 50 years. The result is moral decadence and societal degeneration. collapse of identity- both national and self, breakdown of societal and family values, explosion of debauchery and rising case of mental illness.
If above is the fruits of atheism, thank u but I dont want to be a part of.

western world tried xtianity for 1000 years, and rose to become the most powerful and influential civilisation ever known in history. The explosion as crazy and unimaginable. The rest of the world saw them as demi gods. They were accelerating at a unprecedent rate until pride got into them, decided they wanted to continue the journey alone and kicked God out of their society.

Now they are so ordinary and their society becoming unappealing that even their own natives are now jumping and abandoning the sinking ship. In 2026, the only continent the white man can bully and get away with is maybe Africa. europe has lost its identity and a false god is gradually raising its head in their midst. what a pity for a race that rejected the One True God.



very funny, u think God's plan is dependent on action of people. read the bible and be educated. God blessed Israel because their forefather was the first person to understand that God hates polytheism and wanted to be worshipped without any partner.
when they messed up, they were duly punished and scattered. nobody is special in the sight of God, we are so inconsequential in his overall plan.
People can stop worshipping God for another 5,000 years and it changes nothing. when we are ready to follow his command, he will hearken to us again and show us his mighty hand.
WE ARE THE ONES THAT NEED GOD, HE DOESN'T NEED US. GET THAT CLEAR.

UNIVERSE ITSELF DOESNT NEED US, U THINK IF EARTH GOES INTO EXTINCTION TODAY, U THINK UNIVERSE WILL NOTICE OR CARE?
The universe will continue to exist without planet earth for billions of years and nothing will happen.
Now imagine your relevance to God who is bigger and mightier than the universe.
That's how irrelevant and inconsequential man is. It's that self-consciousness u have that's giving u grandiose delusions, giving u ideas u are important.



debunked thoroughly. u can continue to believe in your lies if it makes u sleep well.
ok since u have been living abroad for donkey years, and has followed the white man to godlessness....
now that they are retracing their steps back and embracing Islam, when are u joining your fellow whites to say the shahada
when are u copying the whites and say your own shahada.

and I will advise u take a look at books on old ancient africa and read, it will expand your closeminded ignorant mind. Your intellectual depth on ancient africa is very shallow for someone who claimed to have lived abroad for donkey years.
Most africans embrace afrocentrism when they live abroad not reject it.

start with Precolonial black africa by cheikh Anta diop

just to wet your appetite- do u know Efusetan Aniwura exported cosmetics to america, the biggest source of her wealth?
do u know the ancient benin kingdom currency was an acceptable mode of payment in the kingdom of Morocco?
do u know Yoruba had their own writing system before Crowther intoduced the latinised alphabets
do u know west african biggest export to europe from 15-17th century was textile and soaps

So just dont sit there and assume your ancestors were dumb, couldn't think for themselves and were just accepting anything thrown at them. That's an eurocentric bias to make them look weak.

Whether Ethiopia is Sub-Saharan or not is irrelevant to the core issue. Christianity existing in Aksum does not mean it existed in Yorubaland. I don't know how that is difficult to grasp. That’s like saying because Buddhism existed in India, the Aztecs must have been closet Buddhists. Proximity is not proof. Continent is not transmission.

You’re inflating Africa into this mystical spiritual blob where theology teleports across deserts without trade routes, missionaries, inscriptions, churches, manuscripts, or archaeological evidence. Show one pre-19th-century Yoruba Christian liturgy. One church ruin. One manuscript. One cross inscription. Or at least one contemporary account. Then you swing to Constantine as if the guy pressed a heavenly “Apply to All Regions” button. Constantine didn’t convert an empire overnight; he legalized a religion that had already spread through Roman networks. Institutional backing accelerates religion. That’s precisely what happened in colonial Nigeria. You can’t use state power to explain Rome and then pretend state power is irrelevant in West Africa.

Your migration spiral is intellectual smoke. Bantu routes, Berbers in the Sahara, Afroasiatic dispersals, fascinating anthropology but that's about it, absolutely zero proof of a first-century Levantine theology embedded in Yoruba cosmology. Population movement does not equal doctrinal transmission. If it did, we’d have archaeological trails of it. We don’t.

And the “West declined because atheism” sermon? Europe’s rise correlates with industrialisation, science, colonial extraction, and capital accumulation, not some divine mood swings. If moral decay proves atheism fails, then crusades and inquisitions prove Christianity failed centuries ago. You're struggling to pick a consistent metric, your argument has been ridiculously inconsistent then you throw absolutely irrelevant nonsense into the mix.

You keep accusing me of insulting ancestors. I didn’t. Precolonial West Africa had trade networks, metallurgy, currency systems, textile exports. None of that manufactures indigenous Christianity out of thin air. Civilisation doesn't equal to prior exposure to Jesus. If you actually read, I earlier mentioned that I don't subscribe to either universalist religion which is Christianity and Islam but of course you're just itching to gag out diarrhoea. And of course, the hint flew way over you when I said "Africa is my holy land" but it's me that's discarding afrocentrism? Funny, no? I'm tolerant of other people's religion, for context, refer to my initial post that you unfortunately quoted. Your God is the God of Israel, good for you. The age old religion and way of life of my ancestors is what I proudly and fiercely uphold, Isese is where I found my God (Much for someone who discarded afrocentrism eh?). That's godlessness to you but hey, not my circus, not my monkeys.

Funny how you brought up my ‘donkey years abroad’ when it was you who volunteered to tell everyone you’ve been living abroad for over ten years. I didn’t need to invent that detail to prove a point, but of course you deemed it important, otherwise your arguments that are collapsing into a loop of projection, redirection, and historical cherry-picking wouldn't have made any sense to yourself. There are chairs for you at the back, a lot of them, pick one and sit your backside there.

CaseSensitive:
Whether Ethiopia is Sub-Saharan or not is irrelevant to the core issue. Christianity existing in Aksum does not mean it existed in Yorubaland. I don't know how that is difficult to grasp. That’s like saying because Buddhism existed in India, the Aztecs must have been closet Buddhists. Proximity is not proof. Continent is not transmission.

You’re inflating Africa into this mystical spiritual blob where theology teleports across deserts without trade routes, missionaries, inscriptions, churches, manuscripts, or archaeological evidence. Show one pre-19th-century Yoruba Christian liturgy. One church ruin. One manuscript. One cross inscription. Or at least one contemporary account. Then you swing to Constantine as if the guy pressed a heavenly “Apply to All Regions” button. Constantine didn’t convert an empire overnight; he legalized a religion that had already spread through Roman networks. Institutional backing accelerates religion. That’s precisely what happened in colonial Nigeria. You can’t use state power to explain Rome and then pretend state power is irrelevant in West Africa.

Your migration spiral is intellectual smoke. Bantu routes, Berbers in the Sahara, Afroasiatic dispersals, fascinating anthropology but that's about it, absolutely zero proof of a first-century Levantine theology embedded in Yoruba cosmology. Population movement does not equal doctrinal transmission. If it did, we’d have archaeological trails of it. We don’t.

And the “West declined because atheism” sermon? Europe’s rise correlates with industrialisation, science, colonial extraction, and capital accumulation, not some divine mood swings. If moral decay proves atheism fails, then crusades and inquisitions prove Christianity failed centuries ago. You're struggling to pick a consistent metric, your argument has been ridiculously inconsistent then you throw absolutely irrelevant nonsense into the mix.

You keep accusing me of insulting ancestors. I didn’t. Precolonial West Africa had trade networks, metallurgy, currency systems, textile exports. None of that manufactures indigenous Christianity out of thin air. Civilisation doesn't equal to prior exposure to Jesus. If you actually read, I earlier mentioned that I don't subscribe to either universalist religion which is Christianity and Islam but of course you're just itching to gag out diarrhoea. And of course, the hint flew way over you when I said "Africa is my holy land" but it's me that's discarding afrocentrism? Funny, no? I'm tolerant of other people's religion, for context, refer to my initial post that you unfortunately quoted. Your God is the God of Israel, good for you. The age old religion and way of life of my ancestors is what I proudly and fiercely uphold, Isese is where I found my God (Much for someone who discarded afrocentrism eh?). That's godlessness to you but hey, not my circus, not my monkeys.

Funny how you brought up my ‘donkey years abroad’ when it was you who volunteered to tell everyone you’ve been living abroad for over ten years. I didn’t need to invent that detail to prove a point, but of course you deemed it important, otherwise your arguments that are collapsing into a loop of projection, redirection, and historical cherry-picking wouldn't have made any sense to yourself. There are chairs for you at the back, a lot of them, pick one and sit your backside there.

All your initial arguments are broken, what u doing now is reinventing new ones for the sake of relevance.

U said xtianity is alien to africa- broken
U then said xtianity is alien to subsahara africa- broken
U claimed colonisation brought xtianity to nigeria- broken
U then argued colonisation pressured Nigerians to embrace xtianity - broken.

Guy, culture is dynamic. It's something u really have to understand.

U can continue to deny the obvious. Europe is declining. All the things u mentioned science, technology, industrialization are still strong in Europe. So why are they gradually becoming irrelevant. The answer is so so obvious, lack of societal discipline and moral guidance.
Anything goes liberal secularism.
U may deny it, but the decline began when church and state finally parted ways in the mid 20th century.
A river that forget it's source will dry up.

I can't write much, follow your Isese and let us follow our own faith. But I hope u guys will really work hard enough to give the traditional spirituality modern facelift. It's too primitive and too superstitious to be relevant in this age and time.

SIRTee15:
All your initial arguments are broken, what u doing now is reinventing new ones for the sake of relevance.

U said xtianity is alien to africa- broken
U then said xtianity is alien to subsahara africa- broken
U claimed colonisation brought xtianity to nigeria- broken
U then argued colonisation pressured Nigerians to embrace xtianity - broken.

Guy, culture is dynamic. It's something u really have to understand.

U can continue to deny the obvious. Europe is declining. All the things u mentioned science, technology, industrialization are still strong in Europe. So why are they gradually becoming irrelevant. The answer is so so obvious, lack of societal discipline and moral guidance.
Anything goes liberal secularism.
U may deny it, but the decline began when church and state finally parted ways in the mid 20th century.
A river that forget it's source will dry up.

I can't write much, follow your Isese and let us follow our own faith. But I hope u guys will really work hard enough to give the traditional spirituality modern facelift. It's too primitive and too superstitious to be relevant in this age and time.

Christianity and Islam ie religion is alien to the whole world. The default for the whole world is traditional spirituality that uses divination. There must be a revert to it for peace to reign on Earth.

What changed Europe is not religion but Britain and what changed Britain is innovation and that innovation is the corporate model of doing business which led to or caused the industrial revolution. Other European nations merely copied Britain. It was Britain and not Europe as a whole that brought the change and Britain also rested on the achievements of other earlier civilizations. It has nothing at all to do with religion. Britain is simply the most innovative nation and most impactful in the last few centuries.

Europe has problem now because the cost of living is high and it is making manufacturing not competitive in the country. The problem is caused by high rent and not because they abandoned harmful, fascistic and dogmatic spirituality ie religion.

Traditional spirituality of the Yoruba is scientific. IFA divination is scientific and many intellectuals are priests. The priests are professionals and they seek clients not converts.

lawani:
Christianity and Islam ie religion is alien to the whole world. The default for the whole world is traditional spirituality that uses divination. There must be a revert to it for peace to reign on Earth.

An adage in Yorùbá says:

"Ẹni tó máa dá aṣọ fúnni, aṣọ ara rẹ̀ ló yẹ ká wò"

Please present a group of traditional spiritualists that cut across tribes and ethnicity making peace reign among them!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
An adage in Yorùbá says:

"Ẹni tó máa dá aṣọ fúnni, aṣọ ara rẹ̀ ló yẹ ká wò"

Please present a group of traditional spiritualists that cut across tribes and ethnicity making peace reign among them!🙂

Original human beings don't fight or quarrel among themselves over God up till today. I am surprised you don't know this. They are all brothers so far spirituality is concerned. Buddhist monks, Babalawos, Hindu priests, Maiguzuwa, Dibias etc are all brothers in the spirit department

lawani:
Original human beings don't fight or quarrel among themselves over God up till today. I am surprised you don't know this. They are all brothers so far spirituality is concerned. Buddhist monks, Babalawos, Hindu priests, Maiguzuwa, Dibias etc are all brothers in the spirit department

Do people fight about God?

Ọmọ it's obvious you love deceit like it's your only means to survive.

Get it straight nobody fights for God people fights for politics that's why all those you mentioned are also into hating, fighting and killing one another!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Do people fight about God?

Ọmọ it's obvious you love deceit like it's your only means to survive.

Get it straight nobody fights for God people fights for politics that's why all those you mentioned are also into hating, fighting and killing one another!🙂

It starts from asking people to believe outrageous and impossible things as a prerequisite for salvation and once you do that it will lead to violence somewhere down the line no matter how good originally your intention is. Only Christianity and Islam do that and they are the only ones that fight wars over God in form of jihads and crusades. There may be politics in it but it is also over God and that is not original human culture. Religion is not original human culture

lawani:
It starts from asking people to believe.

That is what applies to politics not faith.

When you BELIEVE in APC and your fellow traditionalist BELIEVE in ADC it will lead to quarrel, hatred, fighting and killings.

So it's not religion but politics that leads to unrest!

MaxInDHouse:
That is what applies to politics not faith.

When you BELIEVE in APC and your fellow traditionalist BELIEVE in ADC it will lead to quarrel, hatred, fighting and killings.

So it's not religion but politics that leads to unrest!

If everybody abandon nation building as is preached by the JW and are waiting for Jesus' second coming, the whole world today would be poverty stricken and ravaged with disease.

Flangelo12:
No.
I should just be pouring them out without reference.

Secondly, if you have to be making excuses, perhaps you support racism, you just don't know it.

That's not how to cite a reference, moreso your reference did not do argument any justice.

Racism doesn't exist in my dictionary, especially not from people like you.

No be una dey always shout make Igbos leave Lagos, call them Igbos and other derogatory remarks? Shameless people with extreme bitterness for their countrymen but scream racism once they get out of this shore

Tolupage:
That's not how to cite a reference, moreso your reference did not do argument any justice.

Racism doesn't exist in my dictionary, especially not from people like you.

No be una dey always shout make Igbos leave Lagos, call them Igbos and other derogatory remarks? Shameless people with extreme bitterness for their countrymen but scream racism once they get out of this shore

How can racism exist in your brain?

Does it function?

lawani:
If everybody abandon nation building as is preached by the JW and are waiting for Jesus' second coming, the whole world today would be poverty stricken and ravaged with disease.

Is it building homes that causes war or supporting a human dominator against another?
Has human rulers solved the problem of housing for their subjects?😀

jesusjnr2020:
Not surprised that it's the same "teachings of Jesus" that I came here preaching as my word, instead of the Bible, which drew the ire and fury of many 'Christians" here, but has continued to distinguish itself from the rest, as it's now being confirmed by others around the world, including some of the most respected preachers of this generation.

Now it seems to be the Words or teachings of Jesus specifically, instead of the Bible, which is drawing the richest and arguably most influential man on earth, to Jesus, yet again proving itself to be the greatest and most powerful tool on earth to win souls to Christ.

It's no surprise it's the teachings of Jesus, that Jesus Himself commanded His disciples to teach all men to observe, not the Bible. Matthew 28:20

Jesus should always know better on how to win souls into His kingdom.

God bless.

I don't think there is need to mix these things up.
What is the difference between the words of Jesus Christ and the Bible?

We believe in the Bible because of Jesus Christ and not in Jesus Christ because of the Bible.

The Bible esp the 4 gospels are simply a sort of histo-biography of Jesus of Nazareth. They record what he said and did. The gospels are true and trustworthy. So it's perfectly okay to say the Bible which records the activities and teachings of Jesus can be studied to meet Jesus and then God through Jesus Christ. So? Yes the Bible documents Jesus' words.