₦airaland Forum

Truthseeker10:
What does it mean to "fear God" and "work righteousness"?

I have helped you ask Google. You can also do it yourself.

FxMasterz:
I have helped you ask Google. You can also do it yourself.

So are Christians required to worship God together in agreement?

Truthseeker10:
So are Christians required to worship God together in agreement?

It is not a requirement for salvation. Salvation is an individual striving.

Truthseeker10:
So are Christians required to worship God together in agreement?

So Paul was wrong! Hebrews 10:24-24😀

FxMasterz ask AI how many authors the book of Isaiah had.

FxMasterz:
It is not a requirement for salvation. Salvation is an individual striving.

So you're saying that I can worship God in disagreement with his other worshippers and be saved?

Truthseeker10:
So you're saying that I can worship God in disagreement with his other worshippers and be saved?

You found that disagreement in your own head as I never ever said that.

LordReed:
FxMasterz ask AI how many authors the book of Isaiah had.

People who were not there when the book was written are arguing that it was written by more than 3 authors. Just as people who are not alive today can later come in 70 years time to allege that your Nairaland posts were written by several authors. Who cares about their arguments that have no evidence?

The general Christian and Jewish consensus supports a single authorship.

FxMasterz:
You found that disagreement in your own head as I never ever said that.

So how can I be in agreement with other worshippers of God if I don't associate with them?

Truthseeker10:
So how can I be in agreement with other worshippers of God if I don't associate with them?

Who asked you not to associate with them? Is simple English too hard for you?

Associate with them but your association is not a passport to paradise.

FxMasterz:
People who were not there when the book was written are arguing that it was written by more than 3 authors. Just as people who are not alive today can later come in 70 years time to allege that your Nairaland posts were written by several authors. Who cares about their arguments that have no evidence?

The general Christian and Jewish consensus supports a single authorship.

No evidence?

And isn't interesting to note that chapters 40-55 which involve Cyrus are dated to 6th century BCE which is also when the Cyrus cylinder is also dated.

BTW Cyrus credits his god Marduk for his victory.

LordReed:
No evidence?

And isn't interesting to note that chapters 40-55 which involve Cyrus are dated to 6th century BCE which is also when the Cyrus cylinder is also dated.

BTW Cyrus credits his god Marduk for his victory.

Yes, no evidence. All are just arguments and observations of people who were not alive at the time the book was written. No evidence that someone else wrote parts of Isaiah. I myself write in different styles. If I change my style tomorrow, you would say someone else wrote my posts? That's why such cannot be said to be evidence. It's just too myopic.

You're claiming a different date for Isaiah 45? Are you a revisionist?

FxMasterz:
Who asked you not to associate with them? Is simple English too hard for you?

Associate with them but your association is not a passport to paradise.

Is associating with fellow worsgippers of God and being in agreement with them part of the "works of righteousness" that I must do to be acceptable to God according to the verse that you quoted?

FxMasterz:
Yes, no evidence. All are just arguments and observations of people who were not alive at the time the book was written. No evidence that someone else wrote parts of Isaiah. I myself write in different styles. If I change my style tomorrow, you would say someone else wrote my posts? That's why such cannot be said to be evidence. It's just too myopic.

You're claiming a different date for Isaiah 45? Are you a revisionist?

Where you there as well since that is your argument.

Yes, a different date because there were multiple authors.

Cyrus doesn't credit Yahweh he credits Marduk, so the author of Isaiah 40-55 is the revisionist.

One only needs to understand archeologic evidence and all these so-called prophecies become demystified.

For instance, Isaiah 7 is not referring to Jesus, just mistranslation shenanigans.

LordReed:
Where you there as well since that is your argument.

I wasn't there. I rely on the information passed down by those who were there. Not by people who come thousands of years later, and think they know better. There has never been a debate on Isaiah until recent times.

Yes, a different date because there were multiple authors.

No evidence. Can you see how you staked all your belief about Isaiah on the VIEWS of modern scholars who are just debating and arguing. Did you seek evidence? No. For anything opposed to God, ordinary views of people without any evidence is okay by you. But for anything in support of God's existence, you would even discountenance evidences and try to argue against them as you're currently doing against the book of Isaiah. Was Daniel written by many authors too?

See, just simple reasoning will tell you that Isaiah or anyone cannot be prophesying to people who were alive in his days and be telling them about a future king when that king was already ruling. Is it possible for me to prophesy to you right now about Tinubu being born and becoming president of Nigeria in the future? You find that preposterous but you apply this same preposterous scenario to the book of Isaiah.

Cyrus doesn't credit Yahweh he credits Marduk, so the author of Isaiah 40-55 is the revisionist.

Why should Cyrus credit Yahweh even when Yahweh clearly declared that Cyrus does not know Him?

If you were prophesied into being as a person, is that tantamount to you having knowledge of the God behind the prophecy? Would that even imply that you know about the prophecy?

Tradition has it that Jewish elders later showed Cyrus the book of Isaiah, and he was awed to see his name mentioned by a dead man who lived many years before he was born.

One only needs to understand archeologic evidence and all these so-called prophecies become demystified.

For instance, Isaiah 7 is not referring to Jesus, just mistranslation shenanigans.

Then bring up the archeological evidences that put the book of Isaiah in the hands of many authors instead of making mere views of people your evidence.

I also have a view that lordreed is an old man always wearing green shirts. Do you believe that? Is my view now an evidence of what you and what you always wear?

Truthseeker10:
Is associating with fellow worsgippers of God and being in agreement with them part of the "works of righteousness" that I must do to be acceptable to God according to the verse that you quoted?

It's not.

FxMasterz:
It's not.

So I can disassociate myself and be in disagreement with fellow worshippers of God and be acceptable to God?

Truthseeker10:
So I can disassociate myself and be in disagreement with fellow worshippers of God and be acceptable to God?

Very possible. If God has rejected the congregation.

Truthseeker10:
So I can disassociate myself and be in disagreement with fellow worshippers of God and be acceptable to God?

Very possible. If God has rejected the congregation.

2Cor. 6:17

"Therefore, come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord."

FxMasterz:
Very possible. If God has rejected the congregation.

2Cor. 6:17

"Therefore, come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord."

So....is it possible that all congregation on earth will be rejected by God and therefore I disassociate and disagree with all of them?

Truthseeker10:
So....is it possible that all congregation on earth will be rejected by God and therefore I disassociate and disagree with all of them?

I'm not God. There's nothing impossible. Growing numbers of demonic Congregations would emerge as the world comes to a close. A child of God should congregate where God leads him

FxMasterz:
I'm not God. There's nothing impossible. Growing numbers of demonic Congregations would emerge as the world comes to a close. A child of God should congregate where God leads him

Why does a child of God need to congregate where God leads him?

Why would God lead his child to a congregation?

Truthseeker10:
Why does a child of God need to congregate where God leads him?

Why would God lead his child to a congregation?

God leads His child to, and away from a Congregation For any reason God deems fit.

FxMasterz:
God leads His child to, and away from a Congregation For any reason God deems fit.

So there is no reason in the bible for God to lead his child to a congregation? If there is, kindly tell us.

Truthseeker10:
So there is no reason in the bible for God to lead his child to a congregation? If there is, kindly tell us.

If there are, tell us?

Is it for them to get salvation?

FxMasterz:
If there are, tell us?

Is it for them to get salvation?

You are the teacher here. If it is not for salvation as you have claimed, what other reason would God lead his child to a congregation? Kindly help us with the answer.

Truthseeker10:
You are the teacher here. If it is not for salvation as you have claimed, what other reason would God lead his child to a congregation? Kindly help us with the answer.

If you claim it's for salvation, then give us scriptural support. God leads His children to and out of congregations for unlimited reasons. Sometimes, the reasons are peculiar to the individual being led.

FxMasterz:
If you claim it's for salvation, then give us scriptural support. God leads His children to and out of congregations for unlimited reasons. Sometimes, the reasons are peculiar to the individual being led.

Oga can't you mention even one reason why God would lead you to a congregation?

Below in the screenshot is you getting rattled when I asked if a person can be saved if he disagrees with other worshippers of God. Why did you avoid answering yes or no if you actually believe that a congregation has no bearing on the salvation of an individual?

So I ask again. If you Worship God in disagreement with his other loyal Worshippers, will you be saved? Yes or no?

Truthseeker10:
Oga can't you mention even one reason why God would lead you to a congregation?

Below in the screenshot is you getting rattled when I asked if a person can be saved if he disagrees with other worshippers of God. Why did you avoid answering yes or no if you actually believe that a congregation has no bearing on the salvation of an individual?

So I ask again. If you Worship God in disagreement with his other loyal Worshippers, will you be saved? Yes or no?

Salvation is not about worshipping with loyal worshippers! A worshipper can be loyal and still be worshipping in error. The Jews were loyal and committed but they were in error.

The only basis for salvation is this:

Acts 16:31: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household."

Simple as ABC! If you have any contrary opinion, bring the Scripture that backs you.

FxMasterz:
Acts 16:31: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household."

This self deception is really exposing you!🙂
You feel praying alone is enough for the believer to worship God when Jesus is always associating with fellow believers.
Stop deceiving yourself.
If Jesus prayed alone it's the same thing all believers should do when it comes to personal requests but as for worship Jesus never stop worshiping with other believers because according to God's word that's where salvation is! Psalms 133:1 & 3🙂

MaxInDHouse:
This self deception is really exposing you!🙂
You feel praying alone is enough for the believer to worship God when Jesus is always associating with fellow believers.
Stop deceiving yourself.
If Jesus prayed alone it's the same thing all believers should do when it comes to personal requests but as for worship Jesus never stop worshiping with other believers because according to God's word that's where salvation is! Psalms 133:1 & 3🙂

You guys are just anti-Scripture. Did I condemn worshipping or praying with other believers? I do so.myself. What I'm telling you is that, congregating with other believers is not a passport to heaven. That's a false doctrine. You can congregate with other believers and still find yourself in hell.

FxMasterz:
You guys are just anti-Scripture. Did I condemn worshipping or praying with other believers? I do so.myself. What I'm telling you is that, congregating with other believers is not a passport to heaven. That's a false doctrine. You can congregate with other believers and still find yourself in hell.

Is it possible to disassociate oneself from fellow worshipers and still continue being a worshiper of God?

YES or NO?🙂