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bassdow:
don't get you please. Explain further

Elui2:
Stanbic interest keeps reducing month to month

emmasoft:
My Observations

I have taken time to read through different posts, and I’ve noticed that many of us assume certain things and treat them as logical conclusions.
Here are some important facts we should understand, regardless of personal opinions or assumptions.

I have said this many times and will repeat it: the safety of your funds is determined by the underlying assets, not the fund manager. All fund managers go through the same screening process and operate under the same SEC regulations. A Money Market Fund (MMF) is regarded as a low-risk investment not because of the manager’s name, brand, or history, but because the underlying assets are primarily government instruments, particularly T-Bills, and by regulation, fund managers cannot invest outside approved instruments.

In the structure and operation of a Money Market Fund, the parent company of a fund manager is not involved in managing investors’ money. The system strictly revolves around four key parties:
•The Fund Manager
•The Custodian
•The Trustees
•The SEC

Each has a clearly defined and independent role in safeguarding investors’ funds, and they are paid for the services rendered.

I once invested in a fund (not an MMF) where the fund manager encountered issues. Investors were transferred to another SEC-qualified manager. During that period, only fund administration was affected; the investments themselves remained intact. Once the new manager took over, dividend arrears were paid accordingly. That is the worst-case scenario I have personally witnessed.
In another instance (also not an MMF), the fund was sold, and investors’ money was returned.
Let’s not confuse personal perspectives with corporate regulations and the actual structure of the business.

Growing up, I used to believe only First Bank and Union Bank were truly safe because they were the most established and popular at the time. We referred to banks like GTB as “new generation banks” and questioned whether they would survive. Today, we know better.
So let’s not equate customer service quality, technology, brand popularity, or Assets Under Management (AUM) with the nature or safety of the fund itself.

There are many types of mutual funds, each with a different risk profile. Depending on your risk appetite, you can choose what suits you.
Regardless of interest rate or AUM size, all fund managers operate under the same SEC regulations. The SEC audits asset managers consistently, without discrimination based on size or structure. Whether a firm is independent or a subsidiary, it must meet strict regulatory requirements before being licensed.
A parent company has no obligation to customers of an asset management firm. In many cases, the parent company is simply another investor. Using the same resources as allowed by the SEC with a parent company doesn't make them answerable if anything goes wrong with the asset manager.

Additionally, custodians must meet strict regulatory criteria and must have no affiliation with the fund manager. This independence is intentional and serves to safeguard investors’ funds. Moreover, not all banks can serve as a custodian.

Let’s focus on facts, regulatory structure, and the nature of the underlying assets, not assumptions, and not just headline interest rates taken out of context.
If a fund manager offers a higher rate, that does not automatically make the MMF riskier. It may simply reflect how the underlying assets are positioned at a particular time within SEC guidelines. Investors can always review fund fact sheets to understand asset allocation and compliance.

By the way, managers that are considered “low rate” today were once the highest-paying in the industry, and that had nothing to do with whether they are subsidiaries of banks.

If you are uncomfortable with fund managers offering higher rates, that is perfectly fine; your decision may reflect your personal risk tolerance. If you are comfortable with higher rates, that is also valid, provided you have done your due diligence.
One thing is certain: MMFs are classified as low-risk investments because of their structure and regulatory framework, not because of the name behind them. If the extreme scenarios some people imagine were easily possible, MMFs would not be categorized as low-risk investments.

If this is a stocks/equity thread, it will be understandable when we focus on risk, but it’s not the case here. If MMF has this kind of wahala, then we should not refer to it as low risk, and then we'd better just go into stocks and face the risk at once with the attendant returns.

In summary, everyone should invest in what they are comfortable with. Going from Lagos to Abuja, one can decide to trek, take a bike, a vehicle, or fly; each will eventually get there, but...

Remember, making money without tears is our goal!

petomas:
It’s so pathetic I swear. Just saw my interest for February today and discovered it was even smaller than what I earned in January even though the interest for January was compounded plus new top ups. I’m moving my MMF in Stanbic IBTC to their Imaan fund tomorrow by God’s grace at least they have done over 25% increase just this year alone.

tempest12:
This is exactly how real financial expert talks with facts and verifiable history and I quote. Good job👍

I believe the debate has finally ended because I'm tiring of reading long Jargons from others.

emmasoft:
My Observations

I have taken time to read through different posts, and I’ve noticed that many of us assume certain things and treat them as logical conclusions.
Here are some important facts we should understand, regardless of personal opinions or assumptions.

I have said this many times and will repeat it: the safety of your funds is determined by the underlying assets, not the fund manager. All fund managers go through the same screening process and operate under the same SEC regulations. A Money Market Fund (MMF) is regarded as a low-risk investment not because of the manager’s name, brand, or history, but because the underlying assets are primarily government instruments, particularly T-Bills, and by regulation, fund managers cannot invest outside approved instruments.

In the structure and operation of a Money Market Fund, the parent company of a fund manager is not involved in managing investors’ money. The system strictly revolves around four key parties:
•The Fund Manager
•The Custodian
•The Trustees
•The SEC

Each has a clearly defined and independent role in safeguarding investors’ funds, and they are paid for the services rendered.

I once invested in a fund (not an MMF) where the fund manager encountered issues. Investors were transferred to another SEC-qualified manager. During that period, only fund administration was affected; the investments themselves remained intact. Once the new manager took over, dividend arrears were paid accordingly. That is the worst-case scenario I have personally witnessed.
In another instance (also not an MMF), the fund was sold, and investors’ money was returned.
Let’s not confuse personal perspectives with corporate regulations and the actual structure of the business.

Growing up, I used to believe only First Bank and Union Bank were truly safe because they were the most established and popular at the time. We referred to banks like GTB as “new generation banks” and questioned whether they would survive. Today, we know better.
So let’s not equate customer service quality, technology, brand popularity, or Assets Under Management (AUM) with the nature or safety of the fund itself.

There are many types of mutual funds, each with a different risk profile. Depending on your risk appetite, you can choose what suits you.
Regardless of interest rate or AUM size, all fund managers operate under the same SEC regulations. The SEC audits asset managers consistently, without discrimination based on size or structure. Whether a firm is independent or a subsidiary, it must meet strict regulatory requirements before being licensed.
A parent company has no obligation to customers of an asset management firm. In many cases, the parent company is simply another investor. Using the same resources as allowed by the SEC with a parent company doesn't make them answerable if anything goes wrong with the asset manager.

Additionally, custodians must meet strict regulatory criteria and must have no affiliation with the fund manager. This independence is intentional and serves to safeguard investors’ funds. Moreover, not all banks can serve as a custodian.

Let’s focus on facts, regulatory structure, and the nature of the underlying assets, not assumptions, and not just headline interest rates taken out of context.
If a fund manager offers a higher rate, that does not automatically make the MMF riskier. It may simply reflect how the underlying assets are positioned at a particular time within SEC guidelines. Investors can always review fund fact sheets to understand asset allocation and compliance.

By the way, managers that are considered “low rate” today were once the highest-paying in the industry, and that had nothing to do with whether they are subsidiaries of banks.

If you are uncomfortable with fund managers offering higher rates, that is perfectly fine; your decision may reflect your personal risk tolerance. If you are comfortable with higher rates, that is also valid, provided you have done your due diligence.
One thing is certain: MMFs are classified as low-risk investments because of their structure and regulatory framework, not because of the name behind them. If the extreme scenarios some people imagine were easily possible, MMFs would not be categorized as low-risk investments.

If this is a stocks/equity thread, it will be understandable when we focus on risk, but it’s not the case here. If MMF has this kind of wahala, then we should not refer to it as low risk, and then we'd better just go into stocks and face the risk at once with the attendant returns.

In summary, everyone should invest in what they are comfortable with. Going from Lagos to Abuja, one can decide to trek, take a bike, a vehicle, or fly; each will eventually get there, but...

Remember, making money without tears is our goal!

bassdow:
Me would say, one must not have account with Stanbic IBTC but if you must ensure you have account with at least 1 or more banks in the league of Stanbic IBTC. Imagine having 500,000 naira and you put them all into STI or split into STI and another in STI's league.

The wise thing would be split your funds into 2 and put 1 part into a bank in the league of Stanbic and the other whereEver you wish to.
No go put your mooney where your total funds makes up their major capital so tey if you make withdrawal, others go feel am.

Another is, if you have more than 5-million naira. split into as many providers as possible so as to be covered by insurance should anything go wrong. Nothing is too big to fail.
I recall earlier last year when I shared how I use more than 3 diffferent platforms, una shout tire with some new in the game suddennly turning to advisers. now na una dey deCamp like Nigerian poliThiefCians.

Even your fellow human being go access you based on appearance; Some are willing to pay more for bottled water just because of the enviroment YET you want the status of a banking platform to be easily ignored. Forget it, perceptions is reality

Candanyl:
Thank you jare . Lack of being accountable. I shouldn’t call them out . What if it’s an emergency that needs to be taken care of . They need to sit up

freegaza:
After a week my top up has reflected this morning

freegaza:
After a week, my top-up has reflected this morning

Gabriel411:
Honestly, it would be better if it had been held for a few more days. The market is still tanking.

Iamblessed8888:
My brother, the gas lighting is too much. I go to stanbic head office, and i see that they own almost the entire walter carrington, just like zenith has its hands all over Ajose. I then go to Fund manager B, i see their office is a 2 bedroom flat in a street somewhere in VI. And you tell me the risk of investing with both of them is thesame. And you want me to believe it because you read that in a text book. If the risk of investing with them is same, how about the risk of them liquidating your investment, closing shop and disappearing? Is it also same.

Smattrader:
😎😎😎😎😎👍👍👍

freegaza:
After a week my top up has reflected this morning

david4mex:
ARM ONE 17.4%
GT FUND 16.98%
CORONATION ON ACCESS BANK APP 16.5%

Babygal2020:
Anyone still having funds with Stanbic? I neva gather morale leave them despite their low rate[b]. I have more than 46M there[/b].

Babygal2020:
Enjoy.

I have more than 50M with Stanbic. I no fit risk am with all these new MMF firms.

Maybe my risk appetite will increase when I have made more money.

Creditalerts:
The investment don increase to 50m lol,dey ur dey make we dey our dey o🤑

kalu61:
I saw a commercial paper listed on Stambi IBTC app @18.7% pa
Daraju Industrial Ltd

What's your take with MMF rate drop from Stambic?

Babygal2020:
Yes o. I added 5M recently. My husband's money is inside too. Lol

david4mex:
Please any idea how long it takes GT Funds Manager for your Top Up to reflect? I did a top up very early this morning and it is yet to reflect.

david4mex:
Please any idea how long it takes GT Funds Manager for your Top Up to reflect? I did a top up very early this morning and it is yet to reflect.

Creditalerts:
If I tell you my own u go shiver o🤣the money I'm earning from trustbanc and STL MMF everyday with their rate hmm infact I'm doing a project with it ,I pray God should make it permanent 🙏🏿

Preator:
Not permanent ooooo. Those rates are a reminder that our economy is doing badly. We need it to come down ultimately so quality of life can improve. In the interim sha, make we enjoy am.

Creditalerts:
If I tell you my own u go shiver o🤣the money I'm earning from trustbanc and STL MMF everyday with their rate hmm infact I'm doing a project with it ,I pray God should make it permanent 🙏🏿