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| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:00pm On Mar 16 |
FxMasterz:The robber was a judaist who must have heard a lot about the promised Christ from Pharisees and Scribes but due to lots of misconceptions he never believed any of those things not until he was nailed to the stake along with an innocent man who has proved to be a powerful prophet in Israel. Luke 23:41 Do you know what that means? Well it means this thief has thought deeply on the few knowledge he had in the scriptures about how the Christ will be counted unworthy along with criminals: And he was given a burial place with the wicked, And with the rich in his death, Although he had done no wrong And there was no deception in his mouth. Isaiah 53:9 For that reason I will assign him a portion among the many, And he will apportion the spoil with the mighty, Because he poured out his life even to death And was counted among the transgressors; He carried the sin of many people, And he interceded for the transgressors. Isaiah 53:12 Both thieves knew how powerful Jesus is that's why the other thief asked Jesus to perform a miracle to save both himself and them! Luke 23:39 Do you still think that thief has nothing in his head regarding the promised Christ?🤔 |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 5:52pm On Mar 16 |
MaxInDHouse:Did he have any doctrine in his head similar to what Christ taught His disciples other than that He knew Christ was the Lord and Savior, and accepted Him so? Can the doctrines of the Pharisees buy you paradise? Since you want to claim he had knowledge from Judaism. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 6:01pm On Mar 16 |
Truthseeker10:Why did you quote me without quote the scriptures that birthed the quotes. You blatantly blinded your eyes to the scriptures but what to argue based on your organization's false doctrines. Or, you want me to produce several other verses of Scripture other than Acts 16:31 which says "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Tell me, what other knowledge the robber had apart from believing in the Lord Jesus as the Scriptures have said. What other knowing did John 17:3 expect of you than what Acts 16:3 and John 3:16 have prescribed? "Whosoever' believes in Him shall not perish." Simple! He doesn't have to know doctrine. John 17:3 expects you to know that the only true God sent Jesus His Son to die for your sins and to save you. Believe in that knowledge and you'll have life eternal. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 6:09pm On Mar 16 |
MaxInDHouse:Please quote whenever I said sincerity is enough to be saved! I dare you to do that. Provide the link and the quote. This was the scriptural foundation laid regarding this position from the very beginning: Acts 10:34-35 "So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but fin every nation anyone who fears him and hdoes what is right is acceptable to him." A scripture you have rejected while you go about establishing false doctrines. I have consistently mentioned the composite factors that make a man acceptable before God. Sincere service is just one of them. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:41pm On Mar 16 |
Scriptural knowledge totally differs from doctrine if the guy believes in the doctrine of Pharisees he couldn't have been a thief. He has the knowledge as read into his hearing by the Scribes but he never believed until he ended up with the Christ on the torture stake. What we need to do is accept Jesus as Lord (King) which means readiness to obey whatever the Christ commands. So by asking Jesus to remember him in his kingdom means he has accepted Jesus as Lord (King) and ready to obey Jesus something really strange because both of them are dying so it's his faith in the little knowledge of the scriptures that moved Jesus to promise him a resurrection to paradise! FxMasterz: |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:45pm On Mar 16*. Modified: 8:11pm On Mar 16 |
FxMasterz:Highlighted in red is what you've been denying as you can't present any group of worshipers fearing God and doing what is right o!😟 Let me break it down for you! Jews, Christendom churches, Muslims and JWs are all claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham but each has their teachings and doctrines that separates them. You and billions of people are claiming followers of Jesus Christ but each of you has his or her own teaching and doctrine that separates you people. So if you want to claim that there is any other person who fears your own God then such a person must have the same line of thought with you otherwise there is no difference other than the same delusion that runs through all Abrahamic religion whereas you are all contradicting yourselves. If Jehovah's Witnesses say they have a teaching or doctrine that separates them from all of you something unique is there. How? They have fellow worshipers in all the nations of the earth sharing the same line of thought as one spiritual family you can't point or present anyone else who share your perception what you are doing is welcoming or tolerating them as long as they don't condemn your opinion!😟 |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by bobestman(m): 12:23am On Mar 17 |
MaxInDHouse:What you always say when you have nothing to say yet you are not better than other Christians . If you aren't blind and deceived you will see the criteria to fulfill Isaiah 2. Read Acts 1:6,7 even the disciples know that Isreal must be restored by Christ according to Isaiah 11:11-12. They asked him after his resurrection but he told them to continue meaning it will be fulfilled when he comes. They killed him and that stopped the prophecy of him carrying the government on his head - Isaiah 9 and restoring Isreal - Isaiah 11:11-12. The disciples know. Christ know his mission but JW are saying they are now Isreal and claiming their prophecy 🤣🤣. You guys will attract the wrath of God for those lies soon The prophecy any church including JW can fulfill is preaching as Christ said. In that case all churches are doing it in their own way not only JW You said you fulfill all what Christ said. Do you also Raise the dead Heal the sick Cast out demons Speak with new tongues These are things Christ said his disciples will do in his name and that they can even do better than him Do your JWs do it? You can't do one and leave the others. If you can't do that then you are not fulfilling any prophecies and you aren't real believers . Chikena 🤣🤣🤣 |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 3:41am On Mar 17 |
MaxInDHouse:Just as you have your own false teachings. The Adventists have theirs also. The Mormons also have theirs. All are claiming religion within Christianity like you so. Don't be ignorant. Jesus is coming for individuals. He's not coming for groups or organizations. "My reward is with me to give unto EVERY MAN (Not an organization) according as HIS WORK (not their world) shall be. Again, "Let EVERY MAN (not organization) strive for HOS OWN (Not salvation organizational) salvation with fear and trembling " Again: "Whose looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues therein, him not bring a forgetful heater but a doer of the works, THIS MAN (not this organization) shall be blessed in his deed " Again: "...I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it, let EVERY MAN (not organization) take herd how HE builds on it, for EVERY MAN'S WORK (not every organization's work) shall be tested with fire." Should I bring you more? I.okpw you won't listen because the Bible is inferior to you. It is your organization's doctrine you take and reference above the Word of God. You better repent and believe the Gospel. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 3:49am On Mar 17 |
MaxInDHouse:My dear, go and sit down. There's no Jew that does not believe in the doctrine of either the Pharisees or the Sadducees. Just go and sit down. The same Pharisees that Jesus called and adulterous generation. The same Pharisees that Jesus alleged had turned the temple into a den of thieves. Hahaha. So, someone who believes in their doctrine won't be a thief? Tell me another joke. I know you guys are very ignorant. What we need to do is accept Jesus as Lord (King) which means readiness to obey whatever the Christ commands.So, you're now coming to kow tow to my position, after all.thede back and forth. You're now re-echoing what I have been arguing against you. So, he doesn't even have to belong to any organization again. Shame would not allow you to admit that the bolded is my position which you have been arguing against and claiming that being a part of a gathering is a prerequisite for salvation. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 4:06am On Mar 17 |
MaxInDHouse:See how you're making conjectures and spewing a lot of lies. The Pharisees doctrine deny that the Christ would suffer, let alone suffer with criminals! The Pharisees and scribes believe that the Messiah is coming expressly to reign as king. No suffering of any kind whatsoever. The very reason why they rejected Jesus was because He didn't come as a King. That's the reason why Pilates put the inscription "King of the Jews" on His cross, since Jesus claimed to be the Christ, and the Jews believe that the Christ is a coming mighty King of Israel who would deliver them from their enemies. That's the very reason Herod went for the kid because he thought a rival king had been born. All these were due to the Pharisees' doctrines If the robbers on the cross knew anything whatsoever about a coming Messiah, what they knew was that, He'll be King. A mighty one that subdues all enemies. They never ever thought of Him as someone who would suffer. Infact, in order to convince Jews, Paul frequently tried to show them that the scriptures foretell that "Christ would suffer". A notion squarely rejected by Jews. The other thief mocked Jesus based on this nation, "if you be the Christ, save yourself and us". The Pharisees also mocked Him on this basis."If He be the Christ, let Him come down from the cross." All because they thought the Christ is not expected to suffer at all. And if He should be subjected to any form of suffering, He should be able to outrightly escape it. In a nutshell, you have a very bad Theology. The thief on the cross had no true knowledge of who the Messiah was. Yet, he was in paradise with Jesus that same day as Jesus promised. He was only moved by Jesus' sinless life. This can be deduced from what he told the other thief. "We are here for our own crimes but this man has done nothing amiss." The thief had no other thing on his head than a personal conviction that Jesus was Christ the King. The Son of God. Simple! This further demonstrates that all you need to be saved is to know that God exists. And that the true God has sent Jesus His Son for your salvation. And to believe in the finished work that Christ did for you on Calvary. And to leave a life of sincere obedience to His Word. That's all. Every other thing is secondary, and is not a biblical requirement for salvation. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:04am On Mar 17 |
bobestman:God's word told us what His worshipers will use His laws to achieve in the end time and only JWs are doing it. Isaiah 2:2-4 Jesus called us His Witnesses because out activities throughout the earth is evidence of a wonderful counselor who have taught people how to cohabit peacefully {Isaiah 9:6} all the qualities of God's holy spirit is permeating the gathering of JWs {Galatians 5:22-23} so fruitless arguments {Titus 3:9} that can't point out the WORKS of faith is worthless nah! James 2:18-26🙂 |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:11am On Mar 17 |
FxMasterz:And just as faithless Jews in the first century claims all the groups in their time including the apostles have false teachings. Do you see how wrong you could be if you can't point out your own group? It simply means you have no faith at all remember faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1 So if there is no demonstration or work of a united organized people practicing what you are saying it simply means your God is nowhere to be found! James 2:26😟 |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:20am On Mar 17 |
FxMasterz:You don't know the difference between scriptures and doctrine. So let me explain. What we can all see written in the Bible are inspired scriptures but then while many only read it and few are meditating on it majority don't care about it at all but can you imagine if after hearing what the Bible foretells now happened in the presence of an atheist do you think he will still doubt the Bible? That's exactly what happened to those thieves but while one quickly declared Jesus as King (Lord) the other was only concerned with his present situation. Doctrine differs from what is written in the scriptures of course it's not all the Jews that believe what they hear in the scriptures just as there are faithless people everywhere that's what happened to those thieves but after seeing the fulfillment of what he has heard been read in his hearing about the Christ {Isaiah 53:1-12} he was moved to believe not in doctrine rather in what was written in the scriptures. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:22am On Mar 17 |
FxMasterz:That's DOCTRINE not what all Jews can read in the scriptures nah! Isaiah 53:1-12😟 |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 6:22am On Mar 17 |
MaxInDHouse:Lol. Can you now see that you have been condemned by the very scriptures you quoted? Faith is the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Then, what makes you think that your organization which is a seen reality is of faith? Hey, the Scriptures say "the things that are seen are temporal, and the thing that are not seen, which are the real products of faith are eternal. The Hallmark of faith is not in gatherings or organizations. There are many gatherings and many organizations! Are they all faiths in God because they're organized? Why is your reasoning so warped? Faith in God is an individual and personal thing. God relates with individuals, not congregations or gatherings. God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jack. All these are individuals. Even as a God of Israel, He is the God of that individual called Israel and his generations. Paul called Him, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. He is my God, and the God of my generation. A personal relationship with God is the most valuable relationship to God. That's why Jesus told the Samaritan woman "God seeks individuals (not congregations, organizations or gatherings) to worship Him in spirit (not spirits) and truth. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 6:24am On Mar 17 |
MaxInDHouse:And that notwithstanding, he was saved because of His faith in Christ alone. Not because he knew anything else besides. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 6:34am On Mar 17 |
MaxInDHouse:Very ignorant of you! In those days, people were fed with doctrines. Except the Pharisees and the leaders, no one had a copy of the scriptures. So, they all gathered together in the temple or synagogues to hear doctrines. That's why the disciples didn't know anything about the Scriptures. They would often ask Jesus "But the Pharisees say so and so..." Instead of quoting the scriptures, they quite the Pharisees. That was the situation at that time. Notice that when Jesus preached for the first time in a synagogue in Luke 4, the Bible says a scroll of scripture was given Him to read. Why? He had no copy of His own. No one had a copy. Only the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots, Herodians, and Scribes, and leaders had copies. Then, there was the synagogue and temple copies which Jesus must have studied from. The robber on the tree couldn't have been reading any scripture even if he had access to a copy. Moreso, everyone in that era had access to doctrines heard every Sabbath in the temple. No one had a Bible to read for himself. Therefore, the thief knew absolutely nothing whatsoever. He only had faith in Christ, the Son of the true God who was sent by Him for the remission of sins. He accepted the Lordship of Jesus without knowing anything else. He got saved. He didn't even get baptized. He apparently knew nothing about baptism. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:36am On Mar 17 |
FxMasterz:Chai! This is clear evidence that you don't even know what the Bible teaches.😟 The scriptures is consistent "God can't be seen" so His organized worshipers are serving as His Witnesses! Isaiah 43:10 But if no activity of His worshipers are seen that means He doesn't exist!😟 |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:41am On Mar 17 |
FxMasterz:The Bible didn't say he is saved rather he will be given a better opportunity in Paradise to WORK for his salvation. But that's aside it's what he knew about the promised Christ that helped him if he never heard anything about Christ how do you think a dying man can tell another dying man to remember him in his Kingdom? Ọmọ it makes no practical sense nah so it's his previous knowledge about the promised Christ through the scriptures that's speaking not just a novice who knew nothing about the scriptures!😟 |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:48am On Mar 17 |
FxMasterz:It'll be better for to humbly learn from those who understands the scriptures more than you. The priests do read the scriptures in the temple for the people and only few people had a copy of the scriptures because it's really expensive back then if no one has a copy of the scriptures please how come an Ethiopian man have it with him? Act 8:28😟 |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 9:00am On Mar 17 |
MaxInDHouse:You are just repeating what I said back to me instead of humbly acknowledging that you have been corrected by me. The Ethiopian Eunuch was a leader, so he was in the category of people who could have a copy. I told you leaders had copies. Even as you have the scriptures as a copy yourself, how much do you now know? You still come here everyday spewing ignorance and falsehoods such as the Jesus started reigning in 1914 nonesene. If you who have a copy can be so so wrong and ignorant, how much more those who couldn't afford the luxury, and only had people who read to them once a week. Those who read are also the same people who explain to them in their own doctrines. So what exactly do you expect the said robber to know? |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 9:08am On Mar 17*. Modified: 9:53am On Mar 17 |
MaxInDHouse:Chai! I didn't know I still have to teach you what salvation means. Na wá o. A saved person is someone who has escaped the damnation of hell and now has a place in paradise. Salvation is basically an escape from the wrath of God. A privilege to be counted out of the Devine judgement on sin. So, if the robber was promised paradise, was he saved? Yes, he was, because he was n longer in danger of hell. I still have a lot to teach you if you're humble. But that's aside it's what he knew about the promised Christ that helped him if he never heard anything about Christ how do you think a dying man can tell another dying man to remember him in his Kingdom?He knew nothing right about Christ. He just knew that this Righteous man could only be the Son of God as He claimed, and must be someone who would have a Kingdom in the resurrection. I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus told both thieves on the cross about the Kingdom. He must have told them He was the Christ. Otherwise, that other guy would not be saying "If you are the Christ, save yourself and us " In a nutshell, the man belonged to no gathering. He had no theology. He had no sound knowledge of God or of Christ. He was not even baptized. Yet,the was saved. And my dear, if the robber Got to know Jesus through the teachings of the Pharisees ad you claimed, how come the Pharisees' who taught him didn't know Jesus? |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 9:12am On Mar 17 |
MaxInDHouse:But you were the one using the wrong scripture to shoot yourself in the foot. Lol. You were claiming that the unseen is the proof of faith. Isn't it? I am particularly interested in the bolded. Now, let me ask you a question. Where exactly in the Bible did God say He was looking for organized worshippers? Hey, don't run, and don't deviate. Hit the bull's eye and tell us exactly where God says He was looking for organized worshippers or that some organized worshippers would arise in some future. You know I gave you proofs that God wants individual worshipers. All from the Word of God which you have rejected. Now, tell me where God expressly showed interest in having organized worshippers. I'm waiting for you. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:29am On Mar 17 |
FxMasterz:How come Caesar and Pilate never had the scriptures if all the leaders in the world back then had it? ![]() |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:37am On Mar 17 |
FxMasterz:So a thief who never believes anything will believe what a dying man says just like that shey? ![]() |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 10:38am On Mar 17 |
MaxInDHouse:Abeg, go and sit down. Who said all the leaders in the world had it? |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:40am On Mar 17 |
FxMasterz:God approved organized worshipers according to Isaiah 2:2-4 |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by Truthseeker10: 11:25am On Mar 17 |
FxMasterz:Below in bold is your statement. "Knowledge of the Only true God. Knowing Yahweh as the ONLY true God and knowing that He sent Jesus for your salvation, and believing in what He did for you. That is Life Eternal." According to your statement above, do we need to have knowledge about Yahweh to be saved? 2)King James Bible And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. According to the verse above, how many persons do we need to know to be saved? |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 3:12pm On Mar 18 |
Truthseeker10:What knowledge did the robber on the tree have about Yahweh before he had assurance of paradise? One single question, you refused to answer. Meanwhile I have answers your endless questions. I won't answer you until you answer the question above. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 3:17pm On Mar 18 |
MaxInDHouse:Kikikikiki A last day prophecy about the Temple in Jerusalem, a type of the universal Church is your organized worshippers reference. Hilarious! Tell me how Isaiah 2:2-4 referenced organized worshippers with 8 men leading them astray with their words more superior than the scriptures. |
| Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 3:20pm On Mar 18 |
MaxInDHouse:Nobody believes anything until ONE DAY. That one day is called the day of salvation: 2 Corinthians 6:2 For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation. |
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