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Roycemadeit:
Having reviewed your questions, I will give a brief rundown of my perspective, though it revisits points from earlier discussions..

We are given many ideas before we ever question them. Strength, belief, authority, and even the tales of our beginnings are often presented as undeniable truths. Yet when examined rationally, many of these are not truths at all, but beliefs. The notion that strength alone determines superiority is not original; it is learned from environment and influence. But reverse the argument: if someone who values strength were born without it, or as a woman in a society that subjugates the feminine, would they accept being treated as inferior? Reality proves they would not.

The imbalance is most evident in how societies have treated women. For centuries, men have been placed on pedestals while women were expected to remain beneath them. If God is a Father, then the absence of a Mother represents a philosophical imbalance. A society that refuses to honor the feminine builds itself on only half its foundation. But voices long silenced will eventually speak. No human being can remain tied down forever. The old system cracks when people awaken. Today, women are discovering their strength, and societies are being forced to correct their own imbalance, most likely the old system would give way to a dysfunctionally aligned system. The thumb cannot exist without the forefinger. Our existence is a team effort.

The same principle applies to a deity considered the creator of all humanity, yet who sides with one tribe against another. One might never have been part of the chosen tribe if born elsewhere, in cities defeated in biblical tales. History adds another layer: the God ferried across oceans by conquistadors, subjugating peoples first and demanding belief afterward. Even creation myths invite scrutiny when examined alongside archaeological, genetic, and historical records of older cultures with similar narratives. And yet belief persists, not necessarily from understanding, but because it has been preserved from analysis.

Strength alone does not sustain civilization. Domination has never worked. What sustains the world is balance, understanding, and the humility to recognize that no single group, gender, or belief holds all the answers. A healthy order comes not from lifting one and crushing another, but from recognizing every part of humanity in its proper place.

If anything is worth defending, it is that no human being should kneel to ideas demanding division, ignorance, or submission. Healthy order is achieved through the discipline of balance. When we find balance, we move forward. When we deny it, we are doomed to have conflicts, ^{most likely it would be sponsored by the God who wants disunity}, _{Tower of Babel} .

In conclusion, I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the questions you raised. How do you interpret them, and what is your perspective?

Umbrateeth04:
mehn the world is not balanced..patriarchy has ruined everything

The notion of patriarchy is that the whole world, system,science,technology ,art, education cultures,and laws were built, created and invented by men and so therefore women should be at the receiving end of prejudice.

But one could deduce that nature was infact precise and straightforward on the creation story to the point I was left speechless to always follow the stereotypical bandwagon of men being the superior beings as they were created far more sophisticated and stronger than women due to their bone mass, body structures and strength..and here comes the woman weak, feeble, soft and fragile..one was created to look like gods while the other was created for just the mere pleasure and satisfaction of the other...pitiable sod

I have always had your kind of eccentric view on life to the extent I began to question life, nature and its existence...we will rub heads together to unravel what lies within nature...as I don't really conform to the conventional established norms laid down by patriarchy and their prejudice against women...follow me as we delve into this haunting journey of unravelling mysteries

I have had some sexist men ask me this question that left me in suspense for quite a while now..It would sound so hilarious and demeaning at the same time...but I would be hoping you find an answer to this question

1a.if equality really exist and everything happens to exist in a delicate balance why are men created more stronger than females?
1b.why are women created with holes in between their legs and men created with poles in between their legs?

2a if nature wanted equaity dont you think nature in its essence would have created women the same strength as men?
2b.why should there be penetration during copulation?..is their no other way for reproduction that doesn't require sex?...as this act of top and bottom signifier will always ridicule the existence of women...as women are the bottom..and men the top...the receiver of dick is the bottom and while the tops are the penetrators..Sexist men have always used sex to dehumanise women..making them being an object of sexualization and caricature...we are in an era were superiority is determined by what sits in between your legs...sighs

One will even question God...I feel like humanity can't come out of this prejudice...it will take a new world order for everything to fall into the right proportion and balance..it sealed and unfathomable.... at some point I am beginning to think that the devil(the imperfect god) created humanity for his own entertainment with the devil having his favourites..the gnostic view is quite glaring...imperfect creation...which will definitely come to an apocalypse..its inevitable..the suffering...cruelty of animals,,, superiority will always exist in an imperfect world..even in the animal kingdom some animals are more stronger and exert dominance than the other the lion was created by the devil to devour the antelope..can you see the favouritism and prejudice in the lion and antelope analogy?..one is created to devour the other ...while the other is created to endure and escape with less strength.. with this analogy one can deduce that life itself is unfair both to women and the antelope...
i am forced to believe in the ideology of those who seek for anti-natalism and a total human extinction

So what's your thoughts on my own perspectives?... and secondly i would love you do justice to the questions above...I am looking forward to your feedback

Umbrateeth04:
mehn the world is not balanced..patriarchy has ruined everything

The notion of patriarchy is that the whole world, system,science,technology ,art, education cultures,and laws were built, created and invented by men and so therefore women should be at the receiving end of prejudice.

But one could deduce that nature was infact precise and straightforward on the creation story to the point I was left speechless to always follow the stereotypical bandwagon of men being the superior beings as they were created far more sophisticated and stronger than women due to their bone mass, body structures and strength..and here comes the woman weak, feeble, soft and fragile..one was created to look like gods while the other was created for just the mere pleasure and satisfaction of the other...pitiable sod

I have always had your kind of eccentric view on life to the extent I began to question life, nature and its existence...we will rub heads together to unravel what lies within nature...as I don't really conform to the conventional established norms laid down by patriarchy and their prejudice against women...follow me as we delve into this haunting journey of unravelling mysteries

I have had some sexist men ask me this question that left me in suspense for quite a while now..It would sound so hilarious and demeaning at the same time...but I would be hoping you find an answer to this question

1a.if equality really exist and everything happens to exist in a delicate balance why are men created more stronger than females?
1b.why are women created with holes in between their legs and men created with poles in between their legs?

2a if nature wanted equaity dont you think nature in its essence would have created women the same strength as men?
2b.why should there be penetration during copulation?..is their no other way for reproduction that doesn't require sex?...as this act of top and bottom signifier will always ridicule the existence of women...as women are the bottom..and men the top...the receiver of dick is the bottom and while the tops are the penetrators..Sexist men have always used sex to dehumanise women..making them being an object of sexualization and caricature...we are in an era were superiority is determined by what sits in between your legs...sighs

One will even question God...I feel like humanity can't come out of this prejudice...it will take a new world order for everything to fall into the right proportion and balance..it sealed and unfathomable.... at some point I am beginning to think that the devil(the imperfect god) created humanity for his own entertainment with the devil having his favourites..the gnostic view is quite glaring...imperfect creation...which will definitely come to an apocalypse..its inevitable..the suffering...cruelty of animals,,, superiority will always exist in an imperfect world..even in the animal kingdom some animals are more stronger and exert dominance than the other the lion was created by the devil to devour the antelope..can you see the favouritism and prejudice in the lion and antelope analogy?..one is created to devour the other ...while the other is created to endure and escape with less strength.. with this analogy one can Extrapolate that life itself is unfair both to women and the antelope...
i am forced to believe in the ideology of those who seek for anti-natalism and a total human extinction

So what's your thoughts on my own perspectives?... and secondly i would love you do justice to the questions I highlighted above...I am looking forward to your feedback

Roycemadeit:
We have been raised to believe that one gender is meant to dominate the other, but that idea was shaped by patriarchal culture, not nature.

Men and women are designed to complement each other, not compete for power. Even in our biology, there is a natural correspondence, the male as injector and the female as receiver, fitting together with purpose rather than conflict.

No human thrives in isolation, so the idea of superiority defeats the purpose of being human in the first place. Different cultures have shown that there is no single way to structure society. Some are matriarchal and emphasize balance, while others create systems where both masculine and feminine roles are valued equally.

Our problem is that we have stopped questioning systems and started treating them as absolute truth, and that has led us down a path of dysfunction.

Roycemadeit:
I find myself unsettled by the way difference is turned into hierarchy by society, that the structure of the body should determine worth, as though biology were a verdict rather than a condition. And then we go on to compare humans to the an in the bush, that only hunts to survive.

When I observe the contrast between man and woman, I do not see a ladder of superiority, but a tension of forms, each carrying its own burden, its own capacity. To say one is stronger and therefore greater feels like a refusal to look deeper, a preference for what is visible over what is endured, no thanks to patriarchal belief systems that enthrone males and has no account for the feminine.

What we often call “natural” is already an interpretation. We look at function and impose meaning on it. Strength becomes dominance, penetration becomes power, reception becomes submission. Yet these are not truths given by nature; they are conclusions drawn by us. Nature presents differences, but it does not explain them. It is we who construct the story, and in doing so, we often reveal more of our fears and desires than any universal order, as we see cultures that have Goddesses.

The interpretations, we learned has built systems that bind us. We rank one another based on what none of us chose; our bodies, our form, our place at birth. In doing so, we quietly abandon the responsibility of seeing each other as fully human. A logical person, who seeks for better should question this indoctrination, If there is anything worth holding onto, it is the idea that difference does not diminish, and that no structure built on it should decide the value of a life.

Dtruthspeaker:
The 2 popular Natashas have already shown you that the muscles men carry isn't the only dominating power.

Strength is dominance and power is power that is the way God and Nature has set it to be.

Roycemadeit:
Man created God. God didn't create nature

You don't know this one too!

If we keep explaining the present without interrogating its foundations, then we’re not thinking, we’re just maintaining. And a world that is constantly maintained without being reimagined will always reproduce the same problems.

Roycemadeit:
We have been raised to believe that one gender is meant to dominate the other, but that idea was shaped by patriarchal culture, not nature.

Men and women are designed to complement each other, not compete for power. Even in our biology, there is a natural correspondence, the male as injector and the female as receiver, fitting together with purpose rather than conflict.

No human thrives in isolation, so the idea of superiority defeats the purpose of being human in the first place. Different cultures have shown that there is no single way to structure society. Some are matriarchal and emphasize balance, while others create systems where both masculine and feminine roles are valued equally.

Our problem is that we have stopped questioning systems and started treating them as absolute truth, and that has led us down a path of dysfunction.

we are in an era where a womans worth is tied to her husband while a spinster successful accomplished financially stable well to do woman is shamed...and the same is quite opposite of the male counterpart[/b]pathetic...the double standard is nauseating

Don't get it twisted I am with you on this however we cannot overlook the very system which brought about this dysfunctions and Stereotypes.

I don't blame women who wants to stay single and child free all the days of their lives as they have experienced patriarchy and have had an ugly bitter taste of it..[b]they are of the notion that if they are to create a world they are not safe in..then they better not create it at all...[b]do you think those women will be happy birthing their oppressors?

Dtruthspeaker:
We all met the world imbalanced however we all see what causes imbalance. And that is when someone does a wrong.

Siblings, classmates and your age mates both male and female were all your equals hence that word we say "na your mate". Until one of you did a wrong thing eg when your friend became a thief, all of you casted him aside (except those who are thieves like him) and no one respected him anymore.

Same thing when you found out that your classmate in secondary school was into olosho.

So, women are lesser than men is because they became oloshos. Which is why a virgin girl/woman is always equal to a boy/man which is why we all say to men unqualified to have her "you no worth her'.

So like the thief and rapist when a woman becomes an olosho she will become lower than a man. That is what nature has shown

Umbrateeth04:
sexist men don't share the same world view as yours...to sexist men penetration means dominance and power while reception means submissiveness and weakness..they don't uphold contrast as complimenting one another..they view at as a perfect definition of a master and slave.

how many matriarch do you know as opposed to patriarch?
How many Goddesses do you know as opposed to Gods?

Check every religion around you their God's always embody a male persona
The world ain't balanced..its All about the survival of the fittest...in which the strongest always triumph...while the weak will suffer shame, ridicule, Pains, anguish, agony and death...its a very sad reality

You see a strong successful independent financially stable woman who is blatantly shamed for not having a man tied to her...just one thing small minds falsely deems as flaws and error tragically undermines her success and achievement...pathetic

Don't get it twisted I am with you on this however we cannot overlook the very system which brought about this dysfunctions and Stereotypes.

I don't blame women who wants to stay single and child free all the days of their lives as they have experienced patriarchy and have had an ugly bitter taste of it..they are of the notion that if they are to create a world they are not safe in..then they better not create it at all...[b]do you think those women will be happy birthing their oppressors?

Come to think of it do you think animals don't have feelings?
We have encountered animals that display emotional pains and grief in the slaughter house...take for instance a have witnessed a horse shedding tears about knowing its inevitable fate of being...animals have feelings they can distinguish paun from comfort..you will know this when you are a conc animal lover

That's why in my previous quote I used the analogy of a lion and an antelope?
It is in the nature of a lion to devour an antelope while it is the nature of an antelope not to fight back but to endure and escape hence from this allegory prejudice was born, fed; groomed and raised to lay its ugly head and claws to traumatise, maim and kill those it perceive as weak defenseless and powerless...
Pv
i dont blame men but i blame their creators for making them more powerful and ruthless

Umbrateeth04:
⁷cut that crap

You forgotten the adage used by your fellow scum men...I type in quote "a padlock which many key can open is disregarded as useless and should subsequebtly be thrown away while a key that opens many padlock is called the masterkey"....you failed to understand that women will be shamed for doing the exact thing men do..to them men and women are not the same...stop trying to defend what is undefendable

You mentioned the 2natashas...hahaha haha boy is trying to use the minority to uphold a vague viewpoint
1.How many matriarch do we have as opposed to patriarch?
2.How many women are given the equity to pursue their dreams like men?
3 How many women are not Stereotyped into pursuing a certain kind of career...even though that career isn't what they want?
4.How many women are told to stop halfway in their dreams as not to threaten the man?
5.how many women are doing the same job with men in an established institution but yet not receiving the same salary?....
6.how many women are allowed to own houses in their fathers properties?
7.how many femicide as opposed to homicide?
8.How many successful women are allowed to pay groom price and have their husband name change to theirs?...in most culture paying groom price is unconventional...according to Roycemadeit...culture does not determine truth it is just guidelines and law laid down by partiachs...doesn't mean cultures are not subject to criticism and changes

You talk about equality as if equality precisely in nigeria exist? Social media and reality are not the same...this your ideology has no head and tail to stand on the prejudice ravaging women..think again and come up with a better comeback

Dtruthspeaker:
For saying "sexist men' you have used a minority unreasonable sect to judge the whole. And that is what has made your post very myopic and very wrongly given and unreasonably biased.

And therefore, by your bias you are no different from the sexist men whom you condemn

Dtruthspeaker:
You have called them scum men, sexist men. That means that they are people we should not listen to. And actually as you see in romance and family section, everyone rejects their views and casts them out. So, you are barking at the wrong tree

Umbrateeth04:
I am not barking at the wrong tree ..the religion you uphold is the foundation behind prejudice and misogyny...think again

Umbrateeth04:
sexist men are not the minority they are the majority.. so your perception is warped and your reasoning flawed

Dtruthspeaker:
You are for Christianity never teaches anyone to be sexist and prejuducial..

StillDtruth:
This is what I said

It is you who with a fallacious mind wants to view it with extreme bias and prejudice.

A clear case of confirmation bias in operation For look at all the Christian threads here, which one called for sexist views?

None,

So, you jare the same as the people accuse

Umbrateeth04:
yes it does!

Timothy 2:12: “I [Paul] do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet”. This verse is often interpreted as restricting women's roles in church leadership and public life.
Ephesians 5:22–24: “Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church”. Critics argue this passage promotes a power imbalance, portraying women as the property of their husbands who must submit without question.
Leviticus 15:19-20: "And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the evening. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean". This and similar passages from Leviticus are cited as treating menstruation as inherently "unclean," a perspective which has historically contributed to social taboos and marginalization of women.
Deuteronomy 22:28–29: This passage describes the legal outcome if a man rapes an unengaged virgin: he must pay her father fifty shekels of silver and marry her, never being allowed to divorce her. Critics point out that this law treats the woman as her father's property that was damaged, with no mention of the victim's consent or choice in the arranged marriage to her rapist.
Numbers 31:17-18: In the context of war against the Midianites, Moses commands the Israelite forces to "Kill every male among the little ones, and every woman who has known a man by lying with him. But all the young women who have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves". This is frequently highlighted as a passage that dehumanizes women by treating virgins as spoils of war.
Genesis 3:16: Following Eve's sin in the Garden of Eden, God tells her, "Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." This is interpreted by some as a divine justification for male dominance and female subordination.

you are clearly ignorant of the gospel you spread

Umbrateeth04:
I am not viewing it with extreme bias and prejudice...it is what it is....your religion upholds great misogyny

How long have you being on this forum Christian thread for you to concoct this false conclusion in your distorted mindset?

You are not making any sense

Dtruthspeaker:
I know you would say all these as fuel for your bias. For yes Genesis 3 shows what caused it but you want to pretend like you do not understand why.

Which is what I explained to you at the beginning before the argument moved when i said "Siblings, classmates and your age mates both male and female were all equals like Adam male and female, until one of you did a wrong thing eg when your friend became a thief, all of you casted him aside and no one respected him anymore.
Same thing when you found out that your classmate in secondary school was into runs.

So, women are lesser than men is because they did something that was very very bad like a thief or molester.

Which is what happened to Eve in Genesis 3.
Obviously nairaland is anty Christianity as all the things that I should say get me banned.

Nevertheless, Christianity is not sexist but rather Eve committed sins that cannot be forg.... And like DNA proves that a wife has cheated, all the children the DNA caught must follow her and go. That is what happened to women. And as romance and family section have shown women are bad and cannot be respected. So why would God want to use an unrighteous people like that?

Umbrateeth04:
do you really know the meaning of bias?...you just use words that has no correlation to the discourse just to make a futile point that is already dead on arrival...

Where did you get your data, analysis, and survey to come into the unrealistic conclusion that your religion doesn't reek of sexism and misogyny even when the evidence is glaring in your fallible bible ?
What you don't know is far greater than you...its quite glaring, obvious and undeniable,...in some cases silence is far more better than exhibiting an embarrassing or blatant lack of understanding...the funny part is how you delude yourself with confidence on a subject you know nothing about .

In your case is willful ignorance, you refuse to accept and acknowledge facts that are clearly presented to you..your ability to argue passionately about a topic while getting all the basic facts wrong is shameful and disgraceful

Dtruthspeaker:
I know you would say all these as fuel for your bias. For yes Genesis 3 shows what caused it but you want to pretend like you do not understand why.

Which is what I explained to you at the beginning before the argument moved when i said "Siblings, classmates and your age mates both male and female were all equals like Adam male and female, until one of you did a wrong thing eg when your friend became a thief, all of you casted him aside and no one respected him anymore.
Same thing when you found out that your classmate in secondary school was into runs.

So, women are lesser than men is because they did something that was very very bad like a thief or molester.

Which is what happened to Eve in Genesis 3.
Obviously nairaland is anty Christianity as all the things that I should say get me banned.

Nevertheless, Christianity is not sexist but rather Eve committed sins that cannot be forg.... And like DNA proves that a wife has cheated, all the children the DNA caught must follow her and go. That is what happened to women. And as romance and family section have shown women are bad and cannot be respected. So why would God want to use an unrighteous people like that?