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JuanDeDios:
This is not the first time the Witnesses are changing their doctrine on blood though. They've done so multiple times, throughout the decades since they made the doctrine.

That's why they follow the steps of Pharisees, in fact their religious leaders are grade A Pharisees in terms of making THOUSANDS of rulings on simple principles or Bible admonition like simply abstain from blood.

achorladey:
Jesus didn't expect total submission from people.

Please enlighten me on what this man is saying:

“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake day after day and keep following me" Luke 9:23

Can you explain what the man said in simple and clear terms?🙂

chimex38:
Some measures for some set of religious people:
If a doctrine, has been criticized
-especially when probably presented by dissents, atheists, other religious, apostates,
and such people still defend it without evaluation.

Only for the organization to finally acknowledge years later and make doctrinal amends then what says about such persons who were initially very defensive?

I think they are unfortunately kinda like Robots(GIGO) to their religion and fanatics who see every spiritual and Bible discuss as
-Me Vs you thing,
-my religion Vs your religion.


Cuz if what your hierarchy leads "prayed and studied" has been revealed to the people you call faithless, long ago and you were fighting off their criticism. What does that make of one's thought process now even with one's supposedly better wealth of knowledge.?

Then why aknowledge what you've been against cuz its coming from your "divine guided hierarchy".
What happened to, awareness, Bible knowledge and critical thinking, consideration of opinions during the criticism period by others?
Suspended reasoning? Or verses misrepresenting?

In the land of such religious organisation, their brains are not allowed to do the thinking.

MaxInDHouse:
The Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem prayed for guidance on a matter that's involving the congregation and God's holy spirit revealed to them that only activities that could lead to the spread of disease is what they should carefully watch out for. Act 15:28-29

So true Christians needs to abstain from blood but now since it's not from another person's body rather my own body its still safe if returned to my body.🙂

. Where in the bible book of Acts says what was right is personal blood and what was wrong is accepting blood not your own?

Sorry i'm not the cause of your faithlessness o!🙂

Deepspirituals:
. I trust this one ...He must Definately get something to defend this. After they have made many to lose their Souls due to this Doctrine ..Chai ...soon they would still Eradicate it fully and Say You are free to Receive Blood Generally .

Na Today Deeper Life no talk more than this ... Don't use TV ,Bla Blah blah today Nko.

Bible Meaning Misinterpreter them to Suit there Interest ..Mtchewww.

tctrills:
I actually don't think members of any religion should be making the changes. It should always be up to the leadership if there must be order.

Also, to be honest, there isn't any church that is over a 100 years that has not make several important changes.

I also think that this is a positive start for the JW but I still think that the new rules bring a new set of problems. From what I was told, the new rule allows JW members to bank their own blood for the rainy day. This new law would bring about wild spread inequality.
In richer communities this wouldn't be a challenge, but the poor in 3rd world countries can't keep to this.
The church doctrines shouldn't be to benefit the rich at detriment to the poor.
I hope to be further educated on this though. But in general, this is healthier than the old law. Whomever was responsible for the old law is clearly a mass murderer.

Of course, members can't create a universal change.

There should be order to avoid anarchy and factions.

I am only saying changes within your small circle or so..


It's very painful to live a false life all your active and youthful yrs based on a believe, one failed to criticize and own personally by ones own faith and conviction all because a certain hierarchy said so...

It's worse if a life is involved.

tctrills:
I actually don't think members of any religion should be making the changes. It should always be up to the leadership if there must be order.

Also, to be honest, there isn't any church that is over a 100 years that has not make several important changes.

I also think that this is a positive start for the JW but I still think that the new rules bring a new set of problems. From what I was told, the new rule allows JW members to bank their own blood for the rainy day. This new law would bring about wild spread inequality.
In richer communities this wouldn't be a challenge, but the poor in 3rd world countries can't keep to this.
The church doctrines shouldn't be to benefit the rich at detriment to the poor.
I hope to be further educated on this though. But in general, this is healthier than the old law. Whomever was responsible for the old law is clearly a mass murderer.

To the bold part. The blood of those spilled crying and they didn't go to war

After killing thousands of people over the years.

chimex38:
Of course, members can create a universal change.

Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Luke 11:23

Whoever feels like CREATING his own personal change is FREE to take his leave there is no force in faith you choose either to stay or walk away!🙂

OneCandleAway:
Very soon they'll change it to you can collect blood only from born witness or how do they call it lol.

It's a gradually change. I believe one of Those 11 men in US that control the witness destiny worldwide must have suffered a painful loss of loved one due to this blood issue and decided to change the doctrine.

I once knew a friend who couldn't marry the girl he loved because she wasn't a witness, even when she said she can convert, seems his family wanted him to marry a born witness.

You need help.
See a doctor immediately before it gets worse

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry i'm not the cause of your faithlessness o!🙂

Faith is not a property of Max or your lies and manipulation filled religious organisation. Is it?

For this life, no let another human being use Bible or Quran advise you to kill yourself or an innocent person. Do any life saving treatment in secret and pray to God for forgiveness. Or leave your cult. Do you think your leaders children are not getting transfusion? Why do you think this change happened?

God definitely put someone or their children in need of transfusion. It’s obviously humans misinterpreting doctrine for control. Go to church and leave their own doctrine with them. Always save your own and that of your loved one’s life. Pastor and church members will be ok or survive. Have some sense of self belief, self love and self preservation. Trust me, those are the qualities your pastor used to survive and be successful in his business.

MaxInDHouse:
This is why you should be convinced that you are worshiping with the one and only true church of Christ!🙂

Proud to be a member

achorladey:
To the bold part. The blood of those spilled crying and they didn't go to war

But then, no one will be held responsible for all these unnecessary deaths.

DoctorAyukebot:
I remember this primary school classmate of mine who died after being knocked down by a car. Ngu cried and begged the mother to be transfused but mama refused point blank. In the end he died..

Chai, funny enough she might not even regret it till date. But the doctors no try at all.

My measure of some set of people is:
If a doctrine, has been criticized
-especially when probably presented by dissents, atheists, other religious, apostates,
and such people still defend it without evaluation.
Only for the organization to finally acknowledge years later and make doctrinal amends then such persons who were initially very defensive.
I think the members are unfortunately kinda like Robots(GIGO) to their religion and fanatics who see every spiritual and Bible discuss as
-Me Vs you thing,
-my religion Vs your religion.

Cuz if what you "prayed and studied" has been revealed to the people you call faithless, long ago and you were fighting off their criticism. What does that make of one's thought process when with one's wealth of knowledge.

Then why aknowledge what you've been against cuz its coming from your "divine guided hierarchy".
What happened to, Bible knowledge and critical thinking during the criticism period by others? Suspended thinking? Or is it verses misrepresenting?

achorladey:
. Where in the bible book of Acts says what was right is personal blood and what was wrong is accepting blood not your own?

Funny enough the person who has this response got the message.

Faith is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

IPDGP:
Proud to be a member.

Most people don't know that faith isn't cheap o!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Luke 11:23

Whoever feels like CREATING his own personal change is FREE to take his leave there is no force in faith you choose either to stay or walk away!🙂

Sorry, I meant "CAN'T CREATE a universal change.."
It's a typo error.
I have changed it.

More proof that their claims are completely man made.

chimex38:
Sorry, I meant "CAN'T CREATE a universal change.."
It's a typo error.
I have changed it.

Meanwhile if you are not okay with the doctrine of a church there are thousands of churches out there for you to join o!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
The Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem prayed for guidance on a matter that's involving the congregation and God's holy spirit revealed to them that only activities that could lead to the spread of disease is what they should carefully watch out for. Act 15:28-29

So true Christians needs to abstain from blood but now since it's not from another person's body rather my own body its still safe if returned to my body.🙂

Guy the way you dey talk this thing, ajeh I just dey wonder how a full grown adult go dey talk this. Many of you even allowed your kids to die because of a man made belief. Even Luke himself was a physician, and what did Matthew 9:12 It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.”
Jesus clearly acknowledged that sick people should see doctors. He did not condemn medical treatment.

Even Jesus himself repeatedly taught that saving life matters more than strict interpretations of rules (for example healing on the Sabbath in Gospel of Mark 3:4). His question was essentially: Is it lawful to save life or destroy it? I hope you emancipate yourself from religious stronghold.

MaxInDHouse:
Please enlighten me on what this man is saying:

“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake day after day and keep following me" Luke 9:23

Can you explain what the man said in simple and clear terms?🙂

You think you can carry on your lies and manipulations here too

Start here....

Christianity requires total submission whether you understand or not {Luke 9:23}

John6: 60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?

You want to lie on top Jesus head seeking total, blind submission to advance why you and your likes give total submission to your religious leaders in USA.

Followed by

if you feel everything must be in black and white then you can never ever be a Christian.

Shooting yourself in the foot. Jehovah's witnesses wants every to believe it is either Jehovah's witnesses(black) or christendom (white), no middle ground, no sitting on the fence . See confusion dey confuse himself.

The Apostles of Christ only had one thing in mind:

Jesus of Nazareth keeps on fulfilling the prophecies written in the scriptures about the Christ but his teachings are really really confusing they just stick to what the scriptures say about the Christ. Most of those who felt Jesus need to be corrected in the things he's saying never remain in Christianity! John 6:63-66

The bold tells you the whole story, the apostles only had one thing in mind not Jesus . Despite Jesus saying those who follow him are to carry their torture stake and follow him continually, he neve, I repeat, he never asked for blind total submission, obedience and control that's why he repeatedly ask the disciples for their views not just asking them to totally submit to him like a tyrant who just wants power and control over others.

tctrills:
But then, no one will be held responsible for all these unnecessary deaths.

Especially for a community of people that gives blind obedience and submission to men like them. E go hard ooooo

chimex38:
Doctrinal Changes And Effect On Personal Judgement



This is a fallout from the recent adjustment on blood transfusion from JW which other doctrinal adjustments also happens in every other religion as well.

Where do we draw the line as Christians?

Previous thread https://www.nairaland.com/8638945/jehovahs-witnesses-now-allow-transfusion

As true followers of Jesus Christ, take doctrine of men with a pinch of salt!

Even Paul said “…all things are lawful for me”

TechBaron:
If you died from complications that required blood transfusion in the past...

Na you kill yourself ooooo

Aswearugad, life no hard 🤷🏿

MaxInDHouse:
Funny enough the person who has this response got the message.

Faith is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

My post is meant for you not to the person that you cannot legislate or regiment faith

I'm yet to find find where exactly the scripture kick against blood transfusion. I asked a neighbor whom is a JW to substantiate their doctrine scripturally she referred me to Act 15:20 & 29 which read

"But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollution of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well"

Does the above scripture really kick against blood transfusion?

If it's scriptural ;
1: Why are they relapsing the doctrine ?
2: what's going to be the fate of the neglected donee should death arise.
3: Upon whom the blood of the donee would be upon ?

MaxInDHouse:
Most people don't know that faith isn't cheap o!🙂

No faith in Christianity asked you to kill yourself. Even Jesus was a healer and commanded people to be healed to rid them of any diseases or demons. So they can live a long, happy, free and prosperous life with their loved ones.

Jesus even raised the dead that is how passionate a healer he was. It is folly not to take healing from those God has blessed with the gift. Like doctors. God has outsourced healing of preventable illness to them, why refuse it because one strange person who you don’t even know if he’s mentally intact is preaching such?

But your pastors are creating outrageous doctrine to gauge to gullibility of their sheep in order to control them. And you are saying faith isn’t cheap? Faith is free and it allows free will. Any church refusing you free will or healing is not Christianity and is a cult.

For followers in 3 rd world countries, better throw away this doctrine. Blood expires and become unusable if not stored in proper refrigerated conditions. So, with this doctrine na only Western JW have a chance of surviving. Better throw away the doctrine or leave the cult for Oyinbo.

Lol, should we tell them

achorladey:
That's it and most of the time, they get ostracised when they go against their religious leaders false doctrines a part of their journey when they work with the only leader they have Jesus Christ.

I once had a discuss on this beard of a thing with a JW long before their Governing Body was changed last yr or 2yrs ago..

A smart dude but he went adamant on why beard should be removed and shouldn't be kept at all..

I kept using nature as my defense cuz beard is a natural thing and not a man-made thing. Provided it's trimmed properly just like how we tend to lawns and grasses cuz they are natural and even provide oxygen for us.

It's understandable why they had the ground rules in those days based on societal perception.

Like you said the fear of being ostracised plays a part.

I wonder what he will say if we meet again.

Theres no how one won't have at least a contrary opinion of at least a doctrine of his/her religion.
It doesn't mean you should denounce or leave the entire organisation. It means you are capable of self thought.


Even twins don't think alike and it's different for humans to maintain a consistent thought process throughout life in all things.
So if a religious body makes changes from time to time to adjust consistent.
How much more some followers who are faraway and weren't born with it and have no constructive criticism of any doctrine or even consider other opinions with genuine criticisms concerns.

Being critical, question things while still being followers of religious bodies I believe its one of the best things that can happen to a person. It's easier to improve and evolve as well both as a person and for the group. It's better one sees it as making your religion grow and evolve rather than think you are pulling the religion down NO!

Any criticism doesn't mean condemnation in entirety and that one should leave his religion.. I think that's the ego that drives the blind defense and suspends obvious awareness in discuss.

Any criticism doesn't mean you should leave the religion..
It's all for spiritual growth of person, deepen discuss and evolution of the church body as well .