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basilico:
1. Israel sends a warning via text messages, via, leaflets calls and on radio. Most Israelis are fluent Arabic speakers. That is a fact. In cases where residents refuse to evacuate they drop a bomb without any explosives , giving them time to evacuate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmPEcYr4pRM?si=3T-KxycSqHdYgGu0

2. 19000 childrenay have died with their fathers . These are figures by Hamas. When they were asked to give the names of women who had died ,IDF tracked the cellphones and found many dead were alive and using their phones. IDF estimates a 1:1 kill ratio of terrorists vs civilians . Many dead terrorists have been misrepresented as children.
Three days ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/analysts-say-gaza-civilian-deaths-include-hamas-other-terror-members-working-as-medics-media-workers/ar-AA1ZabxC

3. The Arabs were given land separate from Jews who had lived there for thousands of years continuously
Summary of this book in image below.

THE TRUTH.
This book, written in Latin in 1695, describes the region called Palestine at that time.
Author Adriani Relandi was a geographer, cartographer, traveler, philologist.
He understood many languages, including Arabic, Ancient Greek and Hebrew.
He described nearly 2,500 settlements mentioned in the Bible, and made an approximate census according to settlements.

HIS NOTES;

1. Palestine is mostly empty, abandoned, sparsely populated. The main population is concentrated in Jerusalem, Akko, Tsfat, Jaffa, Tveria and Gaza.

2. The majority of the population is Jewish; almost everyone else is Christian. A very small part is Muslim, mostly Bedouin...
(Relandi refers to Muslims as nomadic Bedouins who come to cities only as seasonal workers in agriculture or construction.)

3. The only exception is Nablus, inhabited by about 120 members of the Muslim Natsha family and approximately 70 Samaritans.

4. About 5,000 people live in Jerusalem; almost all Jews, and a few Christians.

5. The names of most of the settlements are of Jewish origin, and some have Greek or Roman Latin names. Apart from the city of Ramla, there is no Arab settlement whose original name is Arabic.
Place names derived from Jewish, Greek or Latin are usually adapted into Arabic and meaningless...

6. Approximately 550 people live in Gaza, half of whom are Jews and half are Christians.

Jews were successful in agriculture, especially vineyards, olives and wheat, while Christians were engaged in trade and transportation..."

( Peter Baum & John Abeles)

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GracieX3 is right. It is absurd to deny a people who have lived somewhere for over a thousand years indigene-ship of that place. And this is regardless of if others have lived there before as well. You would not dream of saying that White Americans are not indigenes of America today and yet they have lived there for only about half the time Arabs have lived in Palestine.

Let us take a walk down the demographics of the area through history to understand the issues better.

The history of the matter is that roughly two thousand years ago, the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and scattered the Jews into diaspora. They went into Persia but mostly into Europe where they suffered much persecution through the middle ages, the renaissance, the enlightenment and all the way through to the 20th century where they suffered the holocaust.

In the intervening time, Islam had arisen in the 7th Century AD, and by the turn of the millennium the crusades had begun in which troupe after troupe of Christian armies generation after generation sought to displace the Muslims from the "Holy Land." This went back and forth over a couple of centuries and the land would alternate between Islamic and Christian authority - all the time retaining a small Jewish population. The long and short of it is that the presence of Arabs in that land dates back at least one thousand years now.

Now, moving on, by the time the second world war ended, I hope you know that the British had made promises to the Jews via Zionists that they would create a homeland for them in Palestine. At that time, the place was mostly occupied by Arabs like I said, for about a thousand years already. It is unreasonable to claim that it was not home to them. Besides, the European Jews who were returning had been so adulterated that one cannot really claim that they are necessarily of the same ancestry as the Israelites of old. Frankly, most of them today are noticeably white.

At the end of the 19th century, the Jewish population in Palestine constituted a small minority, making up about 5-7% of the total population. The majority of the population was Muslim (around 80%) and Christian (around 10%)."

Please look at the table of demographics in the link below which sets out the percentage of population of each group (Muslim, Christian and Jewish) at various points in history.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

You will note that -

1. From 1517 to 1882 through the rule of the Ottoman empire, the Jewish population varied from 1.7% to 8%. Thus it is clear that the Jews were a distinct minority throughout that period.

2. By the end of the 1st World War, they had become 9.1%.

3. Throughout the period of the British Mandate they grew from 11 percent in 1922 to 32% in 1937. This was the period of the first wave of significant Zionist migration from Europe, and so it is obvious that the majority of Jews in the land were now migrants from Europe.

But hang on, the evidence gets worse -

4. Between 1947 and 1948 - a period of one year only - the year of the creation of the State of Israel, the percentage of Jews jumped from 32% to a staggering 82% - in ONE year only!

This shows conclusively two things -

a. That the migration from Europe formed almost all of the population of Jews by that time as compared to the negligible percent prior to the British Mandate

b.In the same period of ONE year the poulation of non-Jews fell from 1.3 million people to 156, 000 people!

The foregoing discloses conclusively what had transpired. A mass migration of Europeans had flooded the land and there was a mass evacuation/ removal of non-Jews.

Please note that these figures are from the Jewish Virtual Library, lest you claim they are biased.

DeepSight:
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No, my reasons for not bothering is because I believe it will be a waste of my time because of your overwhelming bias: I believe that even if I present you with the most iron clad evidence, you would still deny it. Its thus pointless. If it was a balanced person, I would proceed.

Trust me , I have a very open mind.
I'll call it corruption. Pick the most obvious one then, just one.

DeepSight:
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GracieX3 is right. It is absurd to deny a people who have lived somewhere for over a thousand years indigene-ship of that place. And this is regardless of if others have lived there before as well. You would not dream of saying that White Americans are not indigenes of America today and yet they have lived there for only about half the time Arabs have lived in Palestine.

Let us take a walk down the demographics of the area through history to understand the issues better.

The history of the matter is that roughly two thousand years ago, the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and scattered the Jews into diaspora. They went into Persia but mostly into Europe where they suffered much persecution through the middle ages, the renaissance, the enlightenment and all the way through to the 20th century where they suffered the holocaust.

In the intervening time, Islam had arisen in the 7th Century AD, and by the turn of the millennium the crusades had begun in which troupe after troupe of Christian armies generation after generation sought to displace the Muslims from the "Holy Land." This went back and forth over a couple of centuries and the land would alternate between Islamic and Christian authority - all the time retaining a small Jewish population. The long and short of it is that the presence of Arabs in that land dates back at least one thousand years now.

Now, moving on, by the time the second world war ended, I hope you know that the British had made promises to the Jews via Zionists that they would create a homeland for them in Palestine. At that time, the place was mostly occupied by Arabs like I said, for about a thousand years already. It is unreasonable to claim that it was not home to them. Besides, the European Jews who were returning had been so adulterated that one cannot really claim that they are necessarily of the same ancestry as the Israelites of old. Frankly, most of them today are noticeably white.

At the end of the 19th century, the Jewish population in Palestine constituted a small minority, making up about 5-7% of the total population. The majority of the population was Muslim (around 80%) and Christian (around 10%)."

Please look at the table of demographics in the link below which sets out the percentage of population of each group (Muslim, Christian and Jewish) at various points in history.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

You will note that -

1. From 1517 to 1882 through the rule of the Ottoman empire, the Jewish population varied from 1.7% to 8%. Thus it is clear that the Jews were a distinct minority throughout that period.

2. By the end of the 1st World War, they had become 9.1%.

3. Throughout the period of the British Mandate they grew from 11 percent in 1922 to 32% in 1937. This was the period of the first wave of significant Zionist migration from Europe, and so it is obvious that the majority of Jews in the land were now migrants from Europe.

But hang on, the evidence gets worse -

4. Between 1947 and 1948 - a period of one year only - the year of the creation of the State of Israel, the percentage of Jews jumped from 32% to a staggering 82% - in ONE year only!

This shows conclusively two things -

a. That the migration from Europe formed almost all of the population of Jews by that time as compared to the negligible percent prior to the British Mandate

b.In the same period of ONE year the poulation of non-Jews fell from 1.3 million people to 156, 000 people!

The foregoing discloses conclusively what had transpired. A mass migration of Europeans had flooded the land and there was a mass evacuation/ removal of non-Jews.

Please note that these figures are from the Jewish Virtual Library, lest you claim they are biased.

No one denied them, they wanted it all.
and as a result they got nothing. Jews have always maintained presence in that land.

Ancient Period
c. 1200–1000 BCE – Early Israelites settle in Canaan
c. 1000 BCE – United Kingdom of Israel (David & Solomon)
722 BCE – Assyrian Empire conquers northern kingdom (Israel)
586 BCE – Babylonian Empire destroys Jerusalem & First Temple (exile begins)
Classical Empires
539 BCE – Persian Empire conquers Babylon → Jews allowed to return & rebuild (Second Temple)
332 BCE – Greek (Hellenistic) rule begins (Alexander the Great)
167–160 BCE – Maccabean Revolt → brief independent Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom
63 BCE – Roman Empire takes control
Roman & Byzantine Period
70 CE – Romans destroy Second Temple
132–135 CE – Bar Kokhba revolt → Jews largely expelled; region renamed “Palestina”
300s–600s CE – Byzantine (Eastern Roman) rule; limited Jewish presence remains
Islamic & Medieval Period
638 CE – Arab Caliphates conquer the region; Jews return in small numbers
1099–1291 – Crusader rule (massacres, decline of Jewish population)
1291–1517 – Mamluk rule; small but continuous Jewish communities
Ottoman Period
1517–1917 – Ottoman Empire; steady Jewish presence, growth in cities like Jerusalem, Safed, Hebron
Late 1800s – Zionist immigration increases Jewish population
Modern Period
1917–1948 – British Mandate; large-scale Jewish immigration
1948–Present – Establishment of the State of Israel; Jewish majority restored
Key takeaway
Jewish presence in the land was continuous but fluctuating—ranging from majority rule (ancient kingdoms, modern Israel) to minority communities under various empires.

benalvino3:
When you say things like this, we know you have nothing. Stop pretending.

Or at best, they come with emotional rambling never logical.

TV01 -

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Me8q4fGLM7w

Absorb this please. I trust I dont need to explain why I am sending you this link. Its just a few seconds.

DeepSight:
But hang on, the evidence gets worse -

4. Between 1947 and 1948 - a period of one year only - the year of the creation of the State of Israel, the percentage of Jews jumped from 32% to a staggering 82% - in ONE year only!

This shows conclusively two things -

a. That the migration from Europe formed almost all of the population of Jews by that time as compared to the negligible percent prior to the British Mandate

b.In the same period of ONE year the poulation of non-Jews fell from 1.3 million people to 156, 000 people!

Oga, stop lying with what you don't know.

1947 UN Partition Plan context:
Jews approx 33% of the population in Mandatory Palestine

1949–1950 after war + displacement:
Jews aprox 80–85% within the new State of Israel’s borders

raumdeuter:
Or at best, they come with emotional rambling never logical.

Notice how he started calling budaatum names, someone who is always on his side just because they disagree on one topic. But just as budaatum told me, he deserved it too.

Deepsight will cry about slurs and racism, but he's quick to throw those racist tropes at people who disagree with him.

A pack of lies dressed as the truth.ill respond better in a few days .
The growth of the Jewish population is also because Jews in Arab neighbors were all expelled leaving their wealth and homes behind.
I don't know where your 156000 figure came from it appears in image below

DeepSight:
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GracieX3 is right. It is absurd to deny a people who have lived somewhere for over a thousand years indigene-ship of that place. And this is regardless of if others have lived there before as well. You would not dream of saying that White Americans are not indigenes of America today and yet they have lived there for only about half the time Arabs have lived in Palestine.

Let us take a walk down the demographics of the area through history to understand the issues better.

The history of the matter is that roughly two thousand years ago, the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and scattered the Jews into diaspora. They went into Persia but mostly into Europe where they suffered much persecution through the middle ages, the renaissance, the enlightenment and all the way through to the 20th century where they suffered the holocaust.

In the intervening time, Islam had arisen in the 7th Century AD, and by the turn of the millennium the crusades had begun in which troupe after troupe of Christian armies generation after generation sought to displace the Muslims from the "Holy Land." This went back and forth over a couple of centuries and the land would alternate between Islamic and Christian authority - all the time retaining a small Jewish population. The long and short of it is that the presence of Arabs in that land dates back at least one thousand years now.

Now, moving on, by the time the second world war ended, I hope you know that the British had made promises to the Jews via Zionists that they would create a homeland for them in Palestine. At that time, the place was mostly occupied by Arabs like I said, for about a thousand years already. It is unreasonable to claim that it was not home to them. Besides, the European Jews who were returning had been so adulterated that one cannot really claim that they are necessarily of the same ancestry as the Israelites of old. Frankly, most of them today are noticeably white.

At the end of the 19th century, the Jewish population in Palestine constituted a small minority, making up about 5-7% of the total population. The majority of the population was Muslim (around 80%) and Christian (around 10%)."

Please look at the table of demographics in the link below which sets out the percentage of population of each group (Muslim, Christian and Jewish) at various points in history.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

You will note that -

1. From 1517 to 1882 through the rule of the Ottoman empire, the Jewish population varied from 1.7% to 8%. Thus it is clear that the Jews were a distinct minority throughout that period.

2. By the end of the 1st World War, they had become 9.1%.

3. Throughout the period of the British Mandate they grew from 11 percent in 1922 to 32% in 1937. This was the period of the first wave of significant Zionist migration from Europe, and so it is obvious that the majority of Jews in the land were now migrants from Europe.

But hang on, the evidence gets worse -

4. Between 1947 and 1948 - a period of one year only - the year of the creation of the State of Israel, the percentage of Jews jumped from 32% to a staggering 82% - in ONE year only!

This shows conclusively two things -

a. That the migration from Europe formed almost all of the population of Jews by that time as compared to the negligible percent prior to the British Mandate

b.In the same period of ONE year the poulation of non-Jews fell from 1.3 million people to 156, 000 people!

The foregoing discloses conclusively what had transpired. A mass migration of Europeans had flooded the land and there was a mass evacuation/ removal of non-Jews.

Please note that these figures are from the Jewish Virtual Library, lest you claim they are biased.

benalvino3:
When you say things like this, we know you have nothing. Stop pretending.

raumdeuter:
Or at best, they come with emotional rambling never logical.

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Its not hard pointing to Trump's corruption. For a convicted felon, there is judicial evidence anyway and aside from this the man has literarily confessed to various acts of abuse of office for personal gain since he assumed office. That's why his wealth has vastly increased since he resumed again. Its just that the Trump phenomenon is so remarkable that he is strangely able to get away with murder in broad day light.

But why would I waste energy on the subject with people who would proclaim him innocent regardless of what he does. Those are the people that are really emotional and at least one of them never went to school - a ram.

basilico:
A pack of lies dressed as the truth.ill respond better in a few days .
The growth of the Jewish population is also because Jews in Arab neighbors were all expelled leaving their wealth and homes behind.
I don't know where your 156000 figure came from it appears in image below

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My figures came from the Jewish Virtual Library, go and quarrel with it.

raumdeuter:
Israel is defending itself from murderous thugs who kill Israelis then hide behind civilians

So when isreal kills Palestinians, it is self defence.

But when Palestinians do it, it is terrorism.


Please why are you calling Palestinians murderous thugs when isreal has killed journalists, doctors, and nurses from other countries in Gaza

DeepSight:
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Its not hard pointing to Trump's corruption. For a convicted felon, there is judicial evidence anyway and aside from this the man has literarily confessed to various acts of abuse of office for personal gain since he assumed office. That's why his wealth has vastly increased since he resumed again. Its just that the Trump phenomenon is so remarkable that he is strangely able to get away with murder in broad day light.

But why would I waste energy on the subject with people who would proclaim him innocent regardless of what he does. Those are the people that are really emotional and at least one of them never went to school - a ram.

The same energy you are using to explain, would have been use to do what you said is easy. You got nothing.

benalvino3:
Notice how he started calling budaatum names, someone who is always on his side just because they disagree on one topic. But just as budaatum told me, he deserved it too.

Deepsight will cry about slurs and racism, but he's quick to throw those racist tropes at people who disagree with him.

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What name did I call him?
I said he was being silly.

And he was.
Secondly, you now make it obvious that you have a school playground gang mentality when you talk about sides. '

I have no side.

benalvino3:
Oga, stop lying with what you don't know.

1947 UN Partition Plan context:
Jews approx 33% of the population in Mandatory Palestine

1949–1950 after war + displacement:
Jews aprox 80–85% within the new State of Israel’s borders

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My figures came from the Jewish Virtual Library, go and quarrel with it.

I hope as they prepare to deal a final blow, they preserve the lives of the Iranians they are trying to emancipate.

DeepSight:
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My figures came from the Jewish Virtual Library, go and quarrel with it.

Who says your figures are wrong? I said your conclusion is a lie.

What do you not understand in Within the borders of Israel as a new state ?

DeepSight:
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What name did I call him?
I said he was being silly.

And he was.
Secondly, you now make it obvious that you have a school playground gang mentality when you talk about sides. '

I have no side.

Of course you have no side, but your side is the cuucuu side called leftism 🤡 🤡 🤡 clown side.

benalvino3:
This one is ignorant. Lol even the Quran said the land belongs to the Jews. Palestine is a mandate when the British empire took over from the Ottoman Empire. Go and learn basic history. There has never been a country or a state called Palestine, the time they wanted to create the state, the people who identify themselves as Palestinians rejected it because they don't want a Jewish state.

See the person calling someone ignorant.

Religious books are not history books.

The fact remains that the Jews that came to Palestine in 1948 were not linked to that area for over a 1000 years. In fact, some Palestine people have more semitic heritage than most Jews in Israel today

DeepSight:
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My figures came from the Jewish Virtual Library, go and quarrel with it.

Okay..I asked google Gemini
Mandate Palestine includes the whole of Jordan today.

GracieX3:
See the person calling someone ignorant.

Religious books are not history books.

The fact remains that the Jews that came to Palestine in 1948 were not linked to that area for over a 1000 years. In fact, some Palestine people have more semitic heritage than most Jews in Israel today

It is history book. The Bible talked about the Jews, the land, the Quran talked about the Jews the land. What the bible and the Quran never mentioned are the Palestinians.

The Jews have always been there, build the first temple, conquered, they were allowed to build the second temple.

That's not a fact. Many Jews that were exiled returned to the Jewish state that was created. Jordan is supposed to be part of Israel because that was a British mandate too.

But the Jews are okay with what they got, why do the so-called Palestinians want blood and want everything?

This is why I 8 South Africans
Lazy envious P*S

Current situation in South Africa, as black South Africans are closing businesses of black foreigners.pic.twitter.com/1tt9d4alfY

— 𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑺𝒂𝒍𝒕 𝑶𝒇 𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑬𝒂𝒓𝒕𝒉 (@Shadaya_Knight) March 26, 2026

DeepSight:
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Its not hard pointing to Trump's corruption. For a convicted felon, there is judicial evidence anyway and aside from this the man has literarily confessed to various acts of abuse of office for personal gain since he assumed office. That's why his wealth has vastly increased since he resumed again. Its just that the Trump phenomenon is so remarkable that he is strangely able to get away with murder in broad day light.

But why would I waste energy on the subject with people who would proclaim him innocent regardless of what he does. Those are the people that are really emotional and at least one of them never went to school - a ram.

Let test something out

What was Obama worth before getting into politics, what was his worth after politics, How many percentage increase did he have

Then do the same for Trump

basilico:
Okay..I asked google Gemini
Mandate Palestine includes the whole of Jordan today.

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Focus on the principles I laid out.
Start with this -

You would not dream of saying that White Americans are not indigenes of America today and yet they have lived there for only about half the time Arabs have lived in Palestine.

GracieX3:
So when isreal kills Palestinians, it is self defence.
But when Palestinians do it, it is terrorism.
Please why are you calling Palestinians murderous thugs when isreal has killed journalists, doctors, and nurses from other countries in Gaza

Israel was minding its business when Palestinan thugs Hamas went to kill them on October not military target but concert goers, boys and girls who went to party were graped, killed and burned

Israel was going to get Hamas thugs who hide themselves with among Palestinian civilians, if Hamas will separate themselves from the civilians you will not see casualties

Its like you punch me, I now want to punch you back then you go hide behind your 4yr old

raumdeuter:
Let test something out

What was Obama worth before getting into politics, what was his worth after politics, How many percentage increase did he have

Then do the same for Trump

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I struggle to see the point in this experiment.

By the way, I have a lot of serious criticisms of Obama which shows me to be balanced. Do you have a single serious criticism of Trump-Christ?

raumdeuter:
Israel was minding its business when Palestinan thugs Hamas went to kill them on October . . .

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It is not minding your business to expand illegally into the West Bank, practice apartheid there against the Palestinians and cage the people of Gaza in an open air prison.

DeepSight:
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I struggle to see the point in this experiment.

By the way, I have a lot of serious criticisms of Obama which shows me to be balanced. Do you have a single serious criticism of Trump-Christ?

Lmao go back 2018 and 2019, you will realize he was not even a Trump supporter

GracieX3:
See the person calling someone ignorant.

Religious books are not history books.

The fact remains that the Jews that came to Palestine in 1948 were not linked to that area for over a 1000 years. In fact, some Palestine people have more semitic heritage than most Jews in Israel today

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Well said. The truth is that the generality of the "returnee" so called European Jews cannot be shown to be the Israelites of old. It is not surprising that most of them are noticeably white. The Israelites of old were not white.

benalvino3:
Lmao go back 2018 and 2019, you will realize he was not even a Trump supporter

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What matters is today.

DeepSight:
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What matters is today.

Some how you think he is 100% Trump, during the primaries, he was for DeSantis.

So how are you different then? Just the way you have plenty criticism for Obama, he has for Trump.

benalvino3:
Some how you think he is 100% Trump, during the primaries, he was for DeSantis.

So how are you different then? Just the way you have plenty criticism for Obama, he has for Trump.

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Well I am yet to see any. As I told you, I am relatively new on this particular thread.