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ono:
You did well to point this out DeepSight. I will answer.

You are not yet ready for the interpretation of that scriptural verse. If we start to discuss this verse now, you will bring in the wisdom of men, logic and other thoughts into it. So, no point. You have to be humble enough to allow the Holy Spirit to rule over that your cocky, "I know something" attitude. You get what I mean? Anyway, if you don't get it, forget about it

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I am a humble person by nature.
Teach me. I am all ears.

I hate when our government propagandizes to us about war.
This is not "damaged".

Nateevs2:
Gone just like that o. I mean. Imagine how I laughed as well... Very hilarious.

You know, Lockheed Martin makes less than 400 Precision Strike Missiles and 600 Patriot Missiles a year. Also only just 3500 JASSMs and only just over 125,000 JAGM till date.

Pentagon is confirming over 9000 strikes already on Iran with over 850 Tomerhawk Cruise Missiles used up.

Naaah! The report can't be true.

Clown!

Bemeruca is mocking you. Is it that you are full of TDS, dumb or slow?

basilico:
Bemeruca is mocking you. Is it that you are full of TDS, dumb or slow?

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Et tu?

The only people suffering from the so called TDS are those who support the deranged pdfile in the Oval.

DeepSight:
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Et tu?

The only people suffering from the so called TDS are those who support the deranged pdfile in the Oval.

Then why are you suffering from TDS?

ono:
Thanks TV01.

You should try to understand at my reasons for using the word “evolve” in this context. Don’t get me wrong, I fully understand the points you raised, but when you’re dealing with people who are not of the faith, we use an approach well suited to their needs - without losing the desired impact.

DeepSight is comparing Christianity to an archaic, violent and most likely a false religion (based on many of the evidences presented) called Islam. Now, Christianity is a lot much older than Islam. Islam came to the world in the 6th to 7th century AD and quickly gained adherents largely by force of arms.

Anyways, in my response to DeepSight quoting verses related to slavery and stuff from Deuteronomy and other books, it’s important to note that all the things quoted in those books are not practised by Christians today. Those instructions were even meant for the Hebrews - the children of Israel.

You can’t deny that many of the Christian practices of the Middle Ages by Catholics and even some Protestant Christians have all given way to the voice of reason and knowledge and the overwhelming influence of the Holy Spirit, something Islam has been unable to achieve and get their adherents to rid themselves of. In fact, as basilico pointed out in one of his entries, a female Muslim professor was seen encouraging Islam adherents to practice slavery and take women of their captors as goods to be sold or something like that.

Now speaking to what you probably are thinking, we know that:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV - but this is not the time to dwell on this bit of the scripture.

Muslim and their apologists usually deny everything bad direct from their books or mouths. When it's pointed out they demand full context. When that's done they ask if it's in Arabic. If in Arabic they say it must be in classical Arabic ( dialect spoken by their prophet).
If it was a classical Arabic speaker, they claim the videos are wrongly translated.
Further they can claim only 5 hadeeth books are authentic: Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawood, Sunan al-Nasa'i and Sunan al-Tirmidhi
When it's from one of they demand only verses from the Quran calling those authentic books as corrupted

After that they bring up numerous old testament verses , after which you spend the next few hours discussing the bible ......

basilico:
X has a lot of bots who automatically respond to mentions of certain phrases or words.
Nairaland doesn't have. There are s few posts I've seen on this thread by someone who is south Africa willing to exchange ideas I don't think there is any problem with that.
Why you obsessed by Benalvino3 location.

I'm sure you had this same energy when Bemeruca/Benalvino used to question whether people who posted in this thread lived in the US.
Yeah, I'm sure you did.. sarcasm.

But you should ask Twitter why they are so obsessed with people's location they made them public.

IjeBos:
I'm sure you had this same energy when Bemeruca/Benalvino used to question whether people who posted in this thread lived in the US.
Yeah, I'm sure you did.. sarcasm.

But you should ask Twitter why they are so obsessed with people's location they made them public.

If you know a little bit about tech and business, you'd know the reason X doesn't like bots. Advertisers want real people not this.
We are all humans here no bot,, X reasons are very different from yours on why you want to know someone's location.

DeepSight:
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I am a humble person by nature.
Teach me. I am all ears.

Classical diversion. It started with an Al Azhar professor saying Islam allows muslims to r*pe women to humilate them
Instead of acknowledginh what that scholar said , now it's all about Ono wasting his time teaching you Bible verses for the next few months.

basilico:
Muslim and their apologists usually deny everything bad direct from their books or mouths. When it's pointed out they demand full context. When that's done they ask if it's in Arabic. If in Arabic they say it must be in classical Arabic ( dialect spoken by their prophet).
If it was a classical Arabic speaker, they claim the videos are wrongly translated.
Further they can claim only 5 hadeeth books are authentic: Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawood, Sunan al-Nasa'i and Sunan al-Tirmidhi
When it's from one of they demand only verses from the Quran calling those authentic books as corrupted

After that they bring up numerous old testament verses , after which you spend the next few hours discussing the bible ......

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Generally true, and to add, they will insist on some specific scholarly exegesis or interpretation in order to dumb down barbaric verses into what can pass as acceptable.

Note however, that I am not Muslim.

Note also that Christians tend to have their own creepy ways of running away from clearly abominable verses in the bible.
TV01 and ono have demonstrated that here.

basilico:
Classical diversion. It started with an Al Azhar professor saying Islam allows muslims to r*pe women to humilate them
Now it's about Ono wasting his time teaching you sbout Bible verses for the next few months.

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Conversations evolve especially group conversations, deal with it.
Secondly you know very well that I agree with the bold.

I only pointed out that the OT advocates same. Did I do wrong by quoting scripture?
I remain a simple and humble soul.

DeepSight:
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Conversations evolve especially group conversations, deal with it.
Secondly you know very well that I agree with the bold.

I only pointed out that the OT advocates same. Did I do wrong by quoting scripture?
I remain a simple and humble soul.

Okay . If you agree that's it. I'll leave it at that, for it explains the slave trade , those Middle East harems needed constant supply of women and girls from all over for 1300 years.
Besides territorial expansion and forcibly spreading Islam , slavery and war booty was a huge component too.

basilico:
Okay . If you agree that's it. I'll leave it at that, for it explains the slave trade , those Middle East harems needed constant supply of women and girls from all over for 1300 years.
Besides territorial expansion and forcibly spreading Islam , slavery and war booty was a huge component too.

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Let me add (mainly for the benefit of ono and TV01) that the NT ALSO ADVOCATES SLAVERY.
In these two diabolical and insidious verses, it seeks to reach into the minds of slaves and convince them to sincerely accept slavery even in their spirits.

Ephesians 6:5 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ;"

Colossians 3:22 "Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord."

basilico:
If you know a little bit about tech and business, you'd know the reason X doesn't like bots. Advertisers want real people not this.
We are all humans here no bot,, X reasons are very different from yours on why you want to know someone's location.

You should really talk to Twitter about the primary reasons they care about people's locations.

DeepSight:
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Let me add (mainly for the benefit of ono and TV01) that the NT ALSO ADVOCATES SLAVERY.
In these two diabolical and insidious verses, it seeks to reach into the minds of slaves and convince them to sincerely accept slavery even in their spirits.

Ephesians 6:5 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ;"

Colossians 3:22 "Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord."

The people in the Bible had slaves. Did they have slave markets?

DeepSight:
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Let me add (mainly for the benefit of ono and TV01) that the NT ALSO ADVOCATES SLAVERY.
In these two diabolical and insidious verses, it seeks to reach into the minds of slaves and convince them to sincerely accept slavery even in their spirits.

Ephesians 6:5 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ;"

Colossians 3:22 "Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord."

At the time of the writing of the books of Ephesians and Colossians, the Romans were the sole superpower of the world. Slavery was the norm.....never frowned at in the society as it is today.

We discussed the evolution of Christianity earlier on. I thought you already acknowledged that the Christians have evolved through the ages to become the most accommodating, compassionate, loving and heaven-ward looking religion on earth as things stand today.

Have you now changed your position, after reading those verses in Colossians and Ephesians?

I will advise that you "apply" the teachings from those two verses to present day "workers or subordinates" (replace slave) and supervisors or leaders (replace masters) and re-read the verse again. Might help you.


From the foregoing, you can and should be able to tell now that reading the Bible, just like any other book, will make it look like a useless or crazy book, right. But like I pointed out earlier:

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned.

ono:
At the time of the writing of the books of Ephesians and Colossians, the Romans were the sole superpower of the world. Slavery was the norm.....never frowned at in the society as it is today.

We discussed the evolution of Christianity earlier on. I thought you already acknowledged that the Christians have evolved through the ages to become the most accommodating, compassionate, loving and heaven-ward looking religion on earth as things stand today.

Have you now changed your position, after reading those verses in Colossians and Ephesians?

I will advise that you "apply" the teachings from those two verses to present day "workers or subordinates" (replace slave) and supervisors or leaders (replace masters) and re-read the verse again. Might help you.

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Once again I think you have spoken very well here, and in fact the truth is that the bold is the way I would apply it.

However, I felt compelled to point out that far from denounce a worldly norm, no matter how "legal" it was in its day, scripture sought to convince the enslaved to buy into it from the core of their spirits.

That is not Christlike - after all, Christ denounced many norms of his day.

basilico:
The people in the Bible had slaves. Did they have slave markets?

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They must have, or how would they procure slaves? Not by war, given that they were under an imperial power? Okay, even if by war, the slaves would still be distributed by sale.

But I struggle to see where you are headed with this.

DeepSight:
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Once again I think you have spoken very well here, and in fact the truth is that the bold is the way I would apply it.

However, I felt compelled to point out that far from denounce a worldly norm, no matter how "legal" it was in its day, scripture sought to convince the enslaved to buy into it from the core of their spirits.

That is not Christlike - after all, Christ denounced many norms of his day.

Paul while writing the books (letters) of Ephesians and Colossians had a target audience in mind - as led by the Holy Spirit. That audience, as far as I can see, wasn't baby Christians, newbies and unbelievers. Read my earlier post up there. The people he wrote those books and letters to perfectly understood what admonitions/messages the Holy Spirit passed across through Paul. I don't think DeepSight is ready to understand this.

ono:
Paul while writing the books (letters) of Ephesians and Colossians had a target audience in mind - as led by the Holy Spirit. That audience, as far as I can see, wasn't baby Christians, newbies and unbelievers. Read my earlier post up there. The people he wrote those books and letters to perfectly understood what admonitions/messages the Holy Spirit passed across through Paul. I don't think DeepSight is ready to understand this.

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But he knew that the slavery of his day was bondage, and that the slave did not have a free choice in it. Why would he then ask the slave to accept that bondage in his spirit, going so far as to say that the slave must not be pretending about it: that it must not be eye service but must be real?

Let us accept that Saul said many unacceptable things including advertising his male chauvinism by saying that women must be silent in fellowship.

DeepSight:
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But he knew that the slavery of his day was bondage, and that the slave did not have a free choice in it. Why would he then ask the slave to accept that bondage in his spirit, going so far as to say that the slave must not be pretending about it: that it must not be eye service but must be real?

Let us accept that Saul said many unacceptable things including advertising his male chauvinism by saying that women must be silent in fellowship.

And there you go. You’re bringing the natural man thing into this conversation- the way buda would. It won’t work. Besides, you probably are making a wrong assumption about the "slavery of Paul's days" You have to go back in time and get surrounded by the circumstances of Paul's days for you to fully appreciate what the dynamics of play was back then. You are using the 21st century mirror to look at what was the norm between 40 - 70 AD. It won't fit. It won't work!

IjeBos:
You should really talk to Twitter about the primary reasons they care about people's locations.

It's about advertisers.. You pay more if it's real humans engaging your posts.
X is there to make money not to correct, condemn or promote ideologies.
The bottom line is $$$.

ono:
And there you go. You’re bringing the natural man thing into this conversation- the way buda would. It won’t work. Besides, you probably are making a wrong assumption about the "slavery of Paul's days" You have to go back in time and get surrounded by the circumstances of Paul's days for you to fully appreciate what the dynamics of play was back then. You are using the 21st century mirror to look at what was the norm between 40 - 70 AD. It won't fit. It won't work!

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But it did not involve freedom of choice did it? So long as it did not, let us not deceive ourselves, it was bondage.

Now, should scripture advise people to accept bondage from their heart? Surely not.

Just as surely, thou knoweth in thy heart that thou practiceth deceit when thou speaketh of the natural man here. For thou knoweth that this is an excuse and escape route thou useth for that which causes thou discomfiture.

Let us stop this habit of trying to justify everything ancient men wrote.

basilico:
Christendom didn't have slave markets. Imperialism in the Americas is when they started buying slaves from mostly Arabs slave traders.
If you look at Islam , it's spread is anchored in capturing slaves especially women and girls who are a gift to the fighters. Allah's messenger used to take 10% of captured loot including women slaves, the choicest in the particular case of the Jew Saffiya whose husband Kinana he ordered murdered after torturing him to reveal where he had hidden the wealth of the Jewish people he was entrusted with.( He placed live coals on his chest as part of the torture).
So Islam at it's core has sanctioned capture of slaves who are also sold off with numerous buyers available.

You saw that with ISIS and also with Hamas within the last decade. ISIS established a slave market in Raqqa where esp Yazidis girls and women were bought and sold off.
In the Europe spread of Islam millions of Europeans especially women were captured ,enslaved and sold off.

Calling the imperialists the worst violators while leaving out the Arabs is being insincere by all means.

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The founder was a terrible fella regrettably.

DeepSight:
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Et tu?

The only people suffering from the so called TDS are those who support the deranged pdfile in the Oval.

the correct word is losers

trump said do himself


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbFLCUdF5_c

we will watch this 79 year old tell it like it is

basilico:
If you know a little bit about tech and business, you'd know the reason X doesn't like bots. Advertisers want real people not this.
We are all humans here no bot,, X reasons are very different from yours on why you want to know someone's location.

Who lives here ?😁

DeepSight:
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But it did not involve freedom of choice did it? So long as it did not, let us not deceive ourselves, it was bondage.

Now, should scripture advise people to accept bondage from their heart? Surely not.

Just as surely, thou knoweth in thy heart that thou practiceth deceit when thou speaketh of the natural man here. For thou knoweth that this is an excuse and escape route thou useth for that which causes thou discomfiture.

Let us stop this habit of trying to justify everything ancient men wrote.

no abrahmic religion was against slavery.
no abrahmic religion was pro democracy
all abrahmic religions managed to align with despotic leaders

democracy is a concept that was introduced by idolators in greece. why would any true christian adopt any of the lifestyles choices of flagrant unbelievers ?

there are enough genocidal exhortations in all the holy books and far right maga for all their anti islam rhetoric is chomping a the bit to bring the same to America.

the original immigrants to america were documented as being religiously problematic at home - and they got to america , away from home control and we got the salem witch trials with people being hanged and pressed.

revisionism is also not going to erase the spanish inquisition or the divine right of kings, fully endorsed by the church.

this is why education is so important and why the right is doing their best to destroy public education and erase museums

that way the ignorance we see proudly on display here every day will become the standard and people will only now the whitewashed history they are told. that is why we are having ridiculous arguments about how white slavery was somehow more humane than slavery practiced by arabs or africans. enough time and we will see the white mans burden being rolled out as a homily

who would have thought 1984 was an instruction manual?