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MaxInDHouse:
*In the first century was the spirit of God working with Jesus when he chose Judas Iscariot to serve as an apostle?

*Was the spirit of God working with the disciples who performed many miracles only to turn their backs on Jesus whose name they used to perform miracles?

*Was the spirit of God working with the Elders when many brothers they taught and baptized turned out to be AntiChrists?

Jehovah's Witnesses aren't different from their first century counterpart so it's you who is expecting what is not possible:

PERFECTION!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Of course that is an indisputable fact yet the one giving must believe he is doing what is good otherwise he won't take it seriously?🤔

Emusan:
Suddenly, Deu 15:23 has disappeared from NWT. Reason why the theory of personal CHOICE has to be revealed again in 2026

Floww23:
I'm talking about the ones it discuss.

Now listen again

"There are medical procedures that make use of a patient’s own blood. Some of these​— such as a person donating blood or having his own blood STORED ( emphasis mine) in advance of surgery—​are not acceptable for Christians. ​—Deuteronomy 15:23.

It said concerning the area of transfusions, Storing your blood in advance of surgery is not acceptable for Christians, Yes or no?

Floww23:
You don't even believe what insight and "Faithful slave" said about the issue of Judas, you are an Apostate. Thank you for confirming to everyone that Insight and the rest are poisonous food from the GB

Floww23:
You don't even believe what insight and "Faithful slave" said about the issue of Judas, you are an Apostate. Thank you for confirming to everyone that Insight and the rest are poisonous food from the GB

correctguy101:
Ah...
Well, if you feel this is the Way. It's all good.
Morning

Janosky:
w78 6/15 pp. 29-31
Questions From Readers

● A doctor said that prior to surgery a patient could have some blood withdrawn and stored, in the event that a transfusion is needed during surgery. How should a Christian view such use of his own blood?

From the standpoint of those in the medical field, this procedure may seem quite practical. There are grave dangers in accepting a transfusion of someone else’s blood. Seemingly fewer risks are involved if a person is given a transfusion of his own blood. So there is a trend among doctors to use the procedure called “autologous transfusion.” This involves drawing off the patient’s own blood and “banking” or storing it for transfusion purposes when necessary. If not needed by the donor, the blood may be used for other patients.


So, if medical personnel suggest that a Christian permit some of his blood to be withdrawn and deposited in a blood bank for later transfusion purposes, the Christian is not without guidance from the Bible as to the proper course.
He can mention that ancient Israelites were told that removed blood was to be ‘poured out on the ground as water,’ to show that it was for God and not to sustain the life of some earthly creature. (Deut. 12:24) And he can refer to the pointed command that Christians ‘abstain from blood.’ In view of this, how could he allow his blood to be collected in a blood bank for later transfusion into himself or another person?
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What about a device such as a heart-lung pump or a dialysis (artificial kidney) machine? Might a Christian use such?

There are Christian witnesses of Jehovah who, with a good conscience, have allowed these devices to be used, provided that the machines were primed with a nonblood fluid, such as Ringer’s lactate solution.

When this sort of device is operating, the patient’s blood flows from a blood vessel through tubing and the machine (where it is pumped, oxygenated and/​or filtered) and then flows back into his circulatory system. The machine temporarily performs some of the functions normally handled by the patient’s own organs.

Some Christians have conscientiously reasoned that the blood is flowing continuously and that the external circuit might be viewed as an extension of the circulatory system. They have considered it comparable to a piece of tubing that might be implanted in the body to shunt blood around a blockage in a vessel.




Of course, each Christian should weigh what is involved in the use of these and similar devices. He could consider whether he views the blood involved to be blood that clearly has left his body and so should be disposed of or as blood that, basically, is still part of his circulatory system. (Deut. 12:16) Then he can make a decision that will leave him with a clear conscience before God.​—1 Pet. 3:16". Watchtower,June 15,1978.


If you have to relearn English to understand the bolded,pls do.
The Enjoy Life did not discuss every procedure.
Again,this Watchtower,discussed the storage procedure not acceptable which Enjoy Life publication refered to.
What is the conclusion of the 1978 Watchtower ?
"It's your personal decision"
Make una Acholardey & Floww23 dey deceive una selves

Maximus692:
All these explanations they understood what they are agitating for is that they have left the organization so why should you remain there?🤣

Janosky:
w78 6/15 pp. 29-31
Questions From Readers

● A doctor said that prior to surgery a patient could have some blood withdrawn and stored, in the event that a transfusion is needed during surgery. How should a Christian view such use of his own blood?

From the standpoint of those in the medical field, this procedure may seem quite practical. There are grave dangers in accepting a transfusion of someone else’s blood. Seemingly fewer risks are involved if a person is given a transfusion of his own blood. So there is a trend among doctors to use the procedure called “autologous transfusion.” This involves drawing off the patient’s own blood and “banking” or storing it for transfusion purposes when necessary. If not needed by the donor, the blood may be used for other patients.


So, if medical personnel suggest that a Christian permit some of his blood to be withdrawn and deposited in a blood bank for later transfusion purposes, the Christian is not without guidance from the Bible as to the proper course.
He can mention that ancient Israelites were told that removed blood was to be ‘poured out on the ground as water,’ to show that it was for God and not to sustain the life of some earthly creature. (Deut. 12:24) And he can refer to the pointed command that Christians ‘abstain from blood.’ In view of this, how could he allow his blood to be collected in a blood bank for later transfusion into himself or another person?
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●

What about a device such as a heart-lung pump or a dialysis (artificial kidney) machine? Might a Christian use such?

There are Christian witnesses of Jehovah who, with a good conscience, have allowed these devices to be used, provided that the machines were primed with a nonblood fluid, such as Ringer’s lactate solution.

When this sort of device is operating, the patient’s blood flows from a blood vessel through tubing and the machine (where it is pumped, oxygenated and/​or filtered) and then flows back into his circulatory system. The machine temporarily performs some of the functions normally handled by the patient’s own organs.

Some Christians have conscientiously reasoned that the blood is flowing continuously and that the external circuit might be viewed as an extension of the circulatory system. They have considered it comparable to a piece of tubing that might be implanted in the body to shunt blood around a blockage in a vessel.




Of course, each Christian should weigh what is involved in the use of these and similar devices. He could consider whether he views the blood involved to be blood that clearly has left his body and so should be disposed of or as blood that, basically, is still part of his circulatory system. (Deut. 12:16) Then he can make a decision that will leave him with a clear conscience before God.​—1 Pet. 3:16". Watchtower,June 15,1978.


If you have to relearn English to understand the bolded,pls do.
The Enjoy Life did not discuss every procedure.
Again,this Watchtower,discussed the storage procedure acceptable as well as non acceptable one which Enjoy Life publication refered to the same non acceptable procedure.

What is the conclusion of the 1978 Watchtower ?
"It's your personal decision"
Make una Acholardey & Floww23 dey deceive una selves

The Christian is not without guidance from the Bible as to the proper course.

He can mention that ancient Israelites were told that removed blood was to be ‘poured out on the ground as water,’ to show that it was for God and not to sustain the life of some earthly creature. (Deut. 12:24) And he can refer to the pointed command that Christians ‘abstain from blood.’ In view of this, how could he allow his blood to be collected in a blood bank for later transfusion into himself or another person?

What about a device such as a heart-lung pump or a dialysis (artificial kidney) machine? Might a Christian use such?

He can mention that ancient Israelites were told that removed blood was to be ‘poured out on the ground as water,’ to show that it was for God and not to sustain the life of some earthly creature. (Deut. 12:24) And he can refer to the pointed command that Christians ‘abstain from blood.’ In view of this, how could he allow his blood to be collected in a blood bank for later transfusion into himself or another person?

(“In view of this, how could he allow his blood to be collected in a blood bank for later transfusion into himself or another person?”)

achorladey:
We. Know people like you cover up alot to avoid the lies and manipulations of your Governing body..........

From the same material you referenced......



They are talking storage of blood here



The points above regards STORAGE of blood.

The publication now continued to......



Here is where you want to do your usual kalokalo. The above is no longer taking storage of blood. It is under this they started deliberating on conscience matter. Most the this article was about blood and you didn't even bother to read it and how they repeatedly stated nothing like storing blood for future transfusion.

Janosky:

Of course, each Christian should weigh what is involved in the use of these and similar devices. He could consider whether he views the blood involved to be blood that clearly has left his body and so should be disposed of or as blood that, basically, is still part of his circulatory system. (Deut. 12:16) Then he can make a decision that will leave him with a clear conscience before God.​—1 Pet. 3:16". Watchtower,June 15,1978.

The same conclusion in 1978 & 2000 Watchtower editions.

Oga, Why is JW's matter giving you sleepless nights ?

Abeg ,check your B.P.
Just a friendly advice.

Of course, each Christian should weigh what is involved in the use of these and similar devices

Maximus692:
All these explanations they understood what they are agitating for is that they have left the organization so why should you remain there?🤣

Maximus692:
Remember the Beroeans?
They refused to swallow everything yet they were eager to accept that the Apostles are God's chosen! Act 17:11🙂

Therefore, after much prayer and consideration of the Scriptures, the Governing Body has decided to clarify our position on the use of a patients own blood in medical and surgical care. The clarification is this: Each Christian must decide for himself how his own blood will be used in all medical and surgical care.”

In view of this, how could he allow his blood to be collected in a blood bank for later transfusion into himself or another person?

Janosky:
w78 6/15 pp. 29-31
Questions From Readers

● A doctor said that prior to surgery a patient could have some blood withdrawn and stored, in the event that a transfusion is needed during surgery. How should a Christian view such use of his own blood?

From the standpoint of those in the medical field, this procedure may seem quite practical. There are grave dangers in accepting a transfusion of someone else’s blood. Seemingly fewer risks are involved if a person is given a transfusion of his own blood. So there is a trend among doctors to use the procedure called “autologous transfusion.” This involves drawing off the patient’s own blood and “banking” or storing it for transfusion purposes when necessary. If not needed by the donor, the blood may be used for other patients.


So, if medical personnel suggest that a Christian permit some of his blood to be withdrawn and deposited in a blood bank for later transfusion purposes, the Christian is not without guidance from the Bible as to the proper course.
He can mention that ancient Israelites were told that removed blood was to be ‘poured out on the ground as water,’ to show that it was for God and not to sustain the life of some earthly creature. (Deut. 12:24) And he can refer to the pointed command that Christians ‘abstain from blood.’ In view of this, how could he allow his blood to be collected in a blood bank for later transfusion into himself or another person?
[/b]

●

What about a device such as a heart-lung pump or a dialysis (artificial kidney) machine? Might a Christian use such?

There are Christian witnesses of Jehovah who, with a good conscience, have allowed these devices to be used, provided that the machines were primed with a nonblood fluid, such as Ringer’s lactate solution.

When this sort of device is operating, the patient’s blood flows from a blood vessel through tubing and the machine (where it is pumped, oxygenated and/​or filtered) and then flows back into his circulatory system. The machine temporarily performs some of the functions normally handled by the patient’s own organs.

Some Christians have conscientiously reasoned that the blood is flowing continuously and that the external circuit might be viewed as an extension of the circulatory system. They have considered it comparable to a piece of tubing that might be implanted in the body to shunt blood around a blockage in a vessel.




Of course, each Christian should weigh what is involved in the use of these and similar devices. He could consider whether he views the blood involved to be blood that clearly has left his body and so should be disposed of or as blood that, basically, is still part of his circulatory system. (Deut. 12:16) Then he can make a decision that will leave him with a clear conscience before God.​—1 Pet. 3:16". Watchtower,June 15,1978.


If you have to relearn English to understand the bolded,pls do.
The Enjoy Life did not discuss every procedure.
Again,this Watchtower,discussed the storage procedure acceptable as well as non acceptable one which Enjoy Life publication refered to the same non acceptable procedure.

What is the conclusion of the 1978 Watchtower ?
"It's your personal decision"
Make una Acholardey & Floww23 dey deceive una selves

Floww23:
You know what I liked here, I quoted Enjoy life forever, and you quoted something from 1978, are you saying your GB is confused?

Going by Dates- Enjoy life forever is the latest, which means that's your Governing body current view before the update, Storing of blood for surgery to be taken as transfusion was Banned. Enjoy Life forever page 255

Thank you for at least trying to prove that the GB is a very confused set of people

Floww23:
A Good JW is not A Beroan, A Good JW swallows everything from the Faithful slave. He obeys what is written even if it doesn't make sense from an human standpoint as A recent watchtower said

I repeat you are an Apostate

Janosky:
Them no like Tirenchi wey dem see for 1978 Watchtower which the Update #2 broadcast repeated.
Jehovah's organization sabi well well.

Floww23:
Why do you keep knocking on people doors despite many shut their door and Indicate lack of interest in such visits? Look in the mirror

Floww23:
A Good JW is not A Beroan.
A recent watchtower said.

Floww23:
A Good JW is not A Beroan, A Good JW swallows everything from the Faithful slave. He obeys what is written even if it doesn't make sense from an human standpoint as A recent watchtower said

I repeat you are an Apostate

chimex38:
The strive to be PIMI(physical and mentally agreeable 100% without question) is the goal.

chimex38:
The strive to be PIMI(physical and mentally agreeable 100% without question) is the goal.

It cuts across religions though but seems JW is the worse on having a different thought, even if it's just having a different thought on one doctrine due to strong repercussions
(fear factor branded words and actions).

closely followed by Deeper life(my opinion though)

chimex38:
Those who condemned the bears, trousers, noodles storage, Armageddon, education, etc way ahead of time before the governing body's reversal.
What do one make of them?

Janosky:

Of course, each Christian should weigh what is involved in the use of these and similar devices. He could consider whether he views the blood involved to be blood that clearly has left his body and so should be disposed of or as blood that, basically, is still part of his circulatory system. (Deut. 12:16) Then he can make a decision that will leave him with a clear conscience before God.​—1 Pet. 3:16". Watchtower,June 15,1978.

The same conclusion in 1978 & 2000 Watchtower editions.

Oga, Why is JW's matter giving you sleepless nights ?

Abeg ,check your B.P.
Just a friendly advice.

MaxInDHouse:
They are really bitter as their bad energy failed to infect everyone!
🙂

chimex38:
The strive to be PIMI(physical and mentally agreeable 100% without question) is the goal.

It cuts across religions though but seems JW is the worse on having a different thought, even if it's just having a different thought on one doctrine due to strong repercussions
(fear factor branded words and actions).

closely followed by Deeper life(my opinion though)

chimex38:
Those who condemned the bears, trousers, noodles storage, Armageddon, education, etc way ahead of time before the governing body's reversal.
What do one make of them?
As at the time they made their independent thought
They are rebels, apostates, shunned, disfellowed,
Now the governing body becomes a follower rather than leading now aligns with them?

They can now be welcomed back into the fold?


I believe an insight from a God will be way ahead of the masses, and most followers or rest of the world.

If the so called "worldly" and "condemned" people worshipping a different god become right both years and decade ahead of the "chosen people" who couldn't come up with such, then sth might be wrong with the thought process of such "chosen people" as well as their leaders.

I am sorry to say, like I said before such PIMI persons are not more than robots in discuss otherwise, they will be a step ahead on an aspect at least before any pronouncement.