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Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 8:55pm On Mar 27

jaephoenix:
If you can read properly, I asked 2 questions. So please answer the other one

I answered your question, if you can read.

Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 8:55pm On Mar 27

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Re: Atheist Logic by jaephoenix(m): 11:53am On Mar 29

OLAADEGBU:
I answered your question, if you can read.

No u didn't. Lemme rephrase since u have comprehension issues. Why should I believe Jesus out of thousands of gods

Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 4:34pm On Mar 29

jaephoenix:
No u didn't. Lemme rephrase since u have comprehension issues. Why should I believe Jesus out of thousands of gods

Jesus is not one of the thousands of gods, He is the uncreated Creator.

Re: Atheist Logic by jaephoenix(m): 7:12pm On Mar 29

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus is not one of the thousands of gods, He is the uncreated Creator.

And u know this because?

Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 1:09am On Mar 30

jaephoenix:
And u know this because?

Because of God’s Logic used in John 1:1.

Re: Atheist Logic by jaephoenix(m): 1:10pm On Mar 30

OLAADEGBU:
Because of God’s Logic used in John 1:1.

Using the bible to defend the bible? Lol 😆
Just like a Muslim defending the Qoran using the Qoran. U guys are funny 😁
Spiderman is real cos the Spiderman comic says so
Bro,can you defend the bible with evidence outside it?

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Re: Atheist Logic by Emusan(m): 1:53pm On Mar 30

jaephoenix:
Using the bible to defend the bible? Lol 😆
Just like a Muslim defending the Qoran using the Qoran. U guys are funny 😁
Spiderman is real cos the Spiderman comic says so
Bro,can you defend the bible with evidence outside it?

So, you want him to use Biology or Chemistry textbook to defend the Bible before?

Re: Atheist Logic by jaephoenix(m): 3:36pm On Mar 30

Emusan:
So, you want him to use Biology or Chemistry textbook to defend the Bible before?

Right. So if the Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc all se their respective religious books to defend their faiths,dont you think there would be bias?
All of them would sing the goodness of their gods. So I need an unbiased source of confirmation

Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 4:10pm On Mar 30

jaephoenix:
Using the bible to defend the bible? Lol 😆
Just like a Muslim defending the Qoran using the Qoran. U guys are funny 😁
Spiderman is real cos the Spiderman comic says so
Bro,can you defend the bible with evidence outside it?

My logic would definitely come from the Bible. If I want to prove that that President Trump lives in the White House it is certain that I would show you pictures from the White House. Would you with your atheistic logic say that I’m not allowed depictions from the White House as evidence that the POTUS lives there?

Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 4:43pm On Mar 30

jaephoenix:
Right. So if the Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc all se their respective religious books to defend their faiths,dont you think there would be bias?
All of them would sing the goodness of their gods. So I need an unbiased source of confirmation

It’s all about logic as the topic of this thread portrays. The atheist logic and God’s logic. Below is how I use logic to decode John 1:1.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

The simple logic of this verse can be summed up as thus:

THE WORD = GOD

In John 1:14 it states:

"The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us."

From these verses we can deduce the following:

JESUS = THE WORD

Simple logic declares that

if A=B and

B=C then

A=C.

Therefore, since

JESUS = THE WORD and

THE WORD = GOD, then

JESUS = GOD

QED.

Re: Atheist Logic by NerdCat(m): 5:43pm On Mar 30

OLAADEGBU:
It’s all about logic as the topic of this thread portrays. The atheist logic and God’s logic. Below is how I use logic to decode John 1:1.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

The simple logic of this verse can be summed up as thus:

THE WORD = GOD

In John 1:14 it states:

"The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us."

From these verses we can deduce the following:

JESUS = THE WORD

Simple logic declares that

if A=B and

B=C then

A=C.

Therefore, since

JESUS = THE WORD and

THE WORD = GOD, then

JESUS = GOD

QED.

That's cute. Three problems here though, just for starters

1) "The Word" is a translation of the Greek Logos - a philosophical concept Hellenistic thinkers used centuries before Jesus was born. John borrowed it from Stoic cosmology. So your QED is actually crediting Zeno of Citium. Congratulations, you've accidentally proven Greek philosophy, not Christianity.

2) Your transitive property requires clean substitution, but instead, John 1:1 gives us a God who is simultaneously distinct from the Word ["with God"] and identical to it ["was God"]. That's not A=B. That's A≠B AND A=B simultaneously, which in formal logic, is a contradiction, not a proof. Mathematics would reject this instantly.

3) "A is like B" does not mean "A equals B." When John calls Jesus the Word of God, he may be expressing function or representation, not ontological identity. A president's spokesperson isn't the president. The White House press secretary speaks for POTUS, but it doesn't make them POTUS. See how that analogy collapses?

What say ye?

Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 6:47pm On Mar 30

NerdCat:
That's cute. Three problems here though, just for starters

1) "The Word" is a translation of the Greek Logos - a philosophical concept Hellenistic thinkers used centuries before Jesus was born. John borrowed it from Stoic cosmology. So your QED is actually crediting Zeno of Citium. Congratulations, you've accidentally proven Greek philosophy, not Christianity.

2) Your transitive property requires clean substitution, but instead, John 1:1 gives us a God who is simultaneously distinct from the Word ["with God"] and identical to it ["was God"]. That's not A=B. That's A≠B AND A=B simultaneously, which in formal logic, is a contradiction, not a proof. Mathematics would reject this instantly.

3) "A is like B" does not mean "A equals B." When John calls Jesus the Word of God, he may be expressing function or representation, not ontological identity. A president's spokesperson isn't the president. The White House press secretary speaks for POTUS, but it doesn't make them POTUS. See how that analogy collapses?

What say ye?

Are you an atheist?

Re: Atheist Logic by Emusan(m): 7:19pm On Mar 30

jaephoenix:
Right. So if the Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc all se their respective religious books to defend their faiths,dont you think there would be bias?
All of them would sing the goodness of their gods. So I need an unbiased source of confirmation

And you think this makes sense.

If religious people don't use their so called BOOKS for defense, what do you want them to use?

Re: Atheist Logic by NerdCat(m): 7:32pm On Mar 30

OLAADEGBU:
Are you an atheist?

Are you a detective? Seems not.

Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 8:01pm On Mar 30

NerdCat:
Are you a detective? Seems not.

Seeing that you only registered on NL 2 days ago it is not out of place to ask for your worldview.

Re: Atheist Logic by NerdCat(m): 8:31pm On Mar 30

OLAADEGBU:
Seeing that you only registered on NL 2 days ago it is not out of place to ask for your worldview.

Well, I'm not interested in labels. I just think every extraordinary claim deserves extraordinary evidence. Simple enough.

Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 10:23pm On Mar 30

NerdCat:
Well, I'm not interested in labels. I just think every extraordinary claim deserves extraordinary evidence. Simple enough.

If you aren’t ready to disclose your presupposition then I’m ready to respond to your rebuttal. I’ll not waste my time and yours if you are not an atheist or at least have an evolutionist worldview.

Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 1:44am On Mar 31

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Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 2:01am On Mar 31

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Re: Atheist Logic by NerdCat(m): 8:11am On Mar 31

OLAADEGBU:
If you aren’t ready to disclose your presupposition then I’m ready to respond to your rebuttal. I’ll not waste my time and yours if you are not an atheist or at least have an evolutionist worldview.

I've disclosed plenty, chief - I said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That's a complete epistemological position, and not a dodge. I just refuse to let you reframe this debate around my biography instead of your argument's very public structural problems. My presupposition is irrelevant to whether A=B and B=C therefore A=C... which was YOUR framework, not mine. You invited mathematics into a theology discussion and mathematics doesn't care about my spiritual biography. It just checks whether the logic holds. Yours didn't. That verdict stands independent of my Sunday habits.

Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 10:28am On Mar 31

NerdCat:
I've disclosed plenty, chief - I said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That's a complete epistemological position, and not a dodge. I just refuse to let you reframe this debate around my biography instead of your argument's very public structural problems. My presupposition is irrelevant to whether A=B and B=C therefore A=C... which was YOUR framework, not mine. You invited mathematics into a theology discussion and mathematics doesn't care about my spiritual biography. It just checks whether the logic holds. Yours didn't. That verdict stands independent of my Sunday habits.

If you claim God has no proof you’re being dishonest or ignorant!

The proof:

1. 1st law of thermodynamics
2. 2nd law of thermodynamics
3. Law of information
4. Law of biogenesis
5. Natural law
6. Laws of chemistry
7. Laws of physics
8. Laws of logic
9. Laws of mathematics
10. The Cambrian explosion
11. The entire fossil record
12. Mendel's genetic laws
13. Laws of geology
14. Fine tuning
15. Irreducible complexity
16. Specified complexity
17. Epigenetics
18. Recorded history from day one (Old Testament)
19. Recorded history of God in the flesh (New Testament) 24,000 manuscripts.

To sum it up the proof is all of science, the entire so called fossil record and all recorded history from day one. Honestly it’s absolute proof of God. Only those who are completely dishonest and ignorant could reject the proof.

Source

Re: Atheist Logic by jaephoenix(m): 10:34am On Mar 31

OLAADEGBU:
It’s all about logic as the topic of this thread portrays. The atheist logic and God’s logic. Below is how I use logic to decode John 1:1.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

The simple logic of this verse can be summed up as thus:

THE WORD = GOD

In John 1:14 it states:

"The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us."

From these verses we can deduce the following:

JESUS = THE WORD

Simple logic declares that

if A=B and

B=C then

A=C.

Therefore, since

JESUS = THE WORD and

THE WORD = GOD, then

JESUS = GOD

QED.

Are you aware each religion has an equivalent passage in their respective books touting their gods?
Again why should I take your claim over theirs

Re: Atheist Logic by jaephoenix(m): 10:36am On Mar 31

NerdCat:
Well, I'm not interested in labels. I just think every extraordinary claim deserves extraordinary evidence. Simple enough.

Christians dont reason logically. They only pretend to do so. And they label u as atheist if u try to prove their logic wrong. So if u r a Christian, I suggest u tell him now

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Re: Atheist Logic by jaephoenix(m): 10:38am On Mar 31

OLAADEGBU:
If you claim God has no proof you’re being dishonest or ignorant!

The proof:

1. 1st law of thermodynamics
2. 2nd law of thermodynamics
3. Law of information
4. Law of biogenesis
5. Natural law
6. Laws of chemistry
7. Laws of physics
8. Laws of logic
9. Laws of mathematics
10. The Cambrian explosion
11. The entire fossil record
12. Mendel's genetic laws
13. Laws of geology
14. Fine tuning
15. Irreducible complexity
16. Specified complexity
17. Epigenetics
18. Recorded history from day one (Old Testament)
19. Recorded history of God in the flesh (New Testament) 24,000 manuscripts.

To sum it up the proof is all of science, the entire so called fossil record and all recorded history from day one. Honestly it’s absolute proof of God. Only those who are completely dishonest and ignorant could reject the proof.

Source

I know this is a waste of time but how does fossil record prove your god

Re: Atheist Logic by jaephoenix(m): 10:39am On Mar 31

Emusan:
And you think this makes sense.

If religious people don't use their so called BOOKS for defense, what do you want them to use?

The problem is their books are flawed. Based offices and misinformation. So i need truth

Re: Atheist Logic by OLAADEGBU(op): 10:46am On Mar 31

jaephoenix:
Are you aware each religion has an equivalent passage in their respective books touting their gods?
Again why should I take your claim over theirs

What is your own religion?

Re: Atheist Logic by Emusan(m): 12:12pm On Mar 31

jaephoenix:
The problem is their books are flawed. Based offices and misinformation. So i need truth

And where will the truth come from?

Re: Atheist Logic by jaephoenix(m): 12:22pm On Mar 31

OLAADEGBU:
What is your own religion?

Truth

Re: Atheist Logic by jaephoenix(m): 12:22pm On Mar 31

Emusan:
And where will the truth come from?

Truth and evidence

Re: Atheist Logic by NerdCat(m): 3:05pm On Mar 31

OLAADEGBU:
If you claim God has no proof you’re being dishonest or ignorant!

I claimed no such thing. I said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - that's a basic epistemological standard everyone is beholden to. Kindly respond to what I actually said before struggling and failing to diagnose my honesty levels. I'll wait here patiently.

OLAADEGBU:
The proof:

1. 1st law of thermodynamics
2. 2nd law of thermodynamics
3. Law of information
4. Law of biogenesis
5. Natural law
6. Laws of chemistry
7. Laws of physics
8. Laws of logic
9. Laws of mathematics
10. The Cambrian explosion
11. The entire fossil record
12. Mendel's genetic laws
13. Laws of geology
14. Fine tuning
15. Irreducible complexity
16. Specified complexity
17. Epigenetics
18. Recorded history from day one (Old Testament)
19. Recorded history of God in the flesh (New Testament) 24,000 manuscripts.

You've listed 19 categories spanning physics, biology, geology, history, and logic. None of them come with relevant citation. None of them individually, nor collectively, demonstrate a personal creator God. At best, they demonstrate a complex, ordered universe, and "complex and ordered" requiring a God is an inference. An inference is hardly the same thing as a conclusion. So... try again?

OLAADEGBU:
To sum it up the proof is all of science, the entire so called fossil record and all recorded history from day one. Honestly it’s absolute proof of God. Only those who are completely dishonest and ignorant could reject the proof.

There's a particular irony in calling your opponents dishonest immediately after presenting an argument-by-list rather than an actual argument. Proof means demonstrable, falsifiable, independently verifiable. What you've offered here is a catalogue of scientific disciplines that millions of brilliant, rigorously honest non-believers study professionally without reaching your conclusion. Calling Stephen Hawking dishonest requires considerably more courage than courage alone can supply. "Absolute proof" is the strongest epistemological claim available to a human being. Your numbered list - earnest as it is - doesn't even come close to clearing it. Confidence is not the same as correctness, and volume is not the same as validity. Those are different things, regardless of how emphatically one insists otherwise.

OLAADEGBU:
Source

Your "source" just took me to the Facebook homepage. I've seen more reliable citations in a WhatsApp forward from my auntie.

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Re: Atheist Logic by NerdCat(m): 3:13pm On Mar 31

jaephoenix:
Christians dont reason logically. They only pretend to do so.

Well I don't entirely agree with you here. Logical reasoning isn't unique to either believers or non-believers. I've met clumsy logicians on both sides.

jaephoenix:
And they label u as atheist if u try to prove their logic wrong. So if u r a Christian, I suggest u tell him now

I'm curious what my alignment has to do with the fact that his logic was invalid? Can't we all just assess people's arguments on their own merits without shoving everyone into the same box?

I identify as NerdCat, and that's it.

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