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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 11:32pm On Apr 01
budaatum:
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 11:33pm On Apr 01
benalvino3:
You can train people all you want, but talented and gifted people are gifted people. That is why we have someone like leonel messi
Yeah, ben. Lionel Messi just woke up one day and discovered he was gifted talent. His many years of "intense early training in Argentina, and the elite, specialized development at Barcelona's La Masia academy after overcoming a growth hormone deficiency" had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with his supposed gifted talent.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 11:37pm On Apr 01
benalvino3:
Historically, mostly men, and in many places mostly white men. my point, even if there is past imbalance, it does not make present discrimination okay. The proper fix is to expand opportunity and remove barriers, not to tilt selection by race or sex once people are competing for the same slot.
it is your head that is telling you there is discrimination.

An imbalance is being fixed and you’re calling it discrimination. How else would the imbalance be addressed if not through conscious efforts by leaders, for which united airlines had done through their vision statement.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 11:37pm On Apr 01
raumdeuter:
There is a minimum requirement to even qualify for training just like in Medical school, Not every student who desires to be a surgeon would be trained

They plan to train only the best of the best
DEI does exactly the same thing!

No one will waste money trying to train a person with all fs in science to become a surgeon!

If they can't pass simple science, no amount of DEI will make them qualify as a surgeon. And lowering the standards to qualify them will only qualify them to become surgeons of the dead that they kill on the surgical table, and they wouldn't last long as surgeons in that case!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 11:38pm On Apr 01
budaatum:
Yeah, ben. Lionel Messi just woke up one day and discovered he was gifted talent. His many years of "intense early training in Argentina, and the elite, specialized development at Barcelona's La Masia academy after overcoming a growth hormone deficiency" had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with his supposed gifted talent.
He had a disability that affected his development, there were thousands of kids going through the same program and training he went through and even more than he did and yet they couldn't match him. He is a talent. No where I said he does not need training. Reread what I wrote. You can train people equally and you will still have the gifted kids in the class that stands out.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 11:39pm On Apr 01
bayelsaowei:
it is your head that is telling you there is discrimination.

An imbalance is being fixed and you’re calling it discrimination. How else would the imbalance be addressed if not through conscious efforts by leaders, for which united airlines had done through their vision statement.

I don tire for you..
No, it's not being fix, discrimination is not fixing imbalance, just remove the barrier for all.

So you support discrimination? So why are you talking about imbalance being fix if it is fixed by what you are complaining of?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 11:42pm On Apr 01
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 11:44pm On Apr 01
benalvino3:
No, it's not being fix, discrimination is not fixing imbalance, just remove the barrier for all.

So you support discrimination? So why are you talking about imbalance being fix if it is fixed by what you are complaining of?
Like I said.. you have chosen to see discrimination..

So na you sabi.

You better go and worry about Trump who is a DEI president of the United States of America.

A felon who is also the president of the USA. That’s exactly the definition of DEI.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 11:45pm On Apr 01
raumdeuter:
To enter medical school you have to be the best of the best,
No you don't need to "be the best of the best" to get into medical school. You just need to meet the qualifying criteria. And if your father has clout, he can even pay to have that criteria waved for you.

You would still have to pass exams to qualify as a doctor however, because your father will not be paying for you to pass and qualify as a doctor. And even if he can pay, your incompetence will eventually be discovered and you'd likely be kicked off the course or be struck off after you qualify if you manage to magomago your way that far.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:47pm On Apr 01
LordReed:
LoLz! Your response made me burst out laughing.

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When you look at the outcomes of Trump's actions, sometimes one is tempted to think that there is something to the idea that he is after all a Russian asset.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 11:48pm On Apr 01
raumdeuter:
If the criteria is not difficult, they will just pick up anyone from the street and send them to flight school
The criteria is difficult. That's precisely why they do not "just pick up anyone from the street and send them to flight school"!

No one has the money to waste on those who have not shown competency. And no one would willingly fliy in a plane flown by an incompetent pilot.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 11:56pm On Apr 01
bayelsaowei:
Like I said.. you have chosen to see discrimination..

So na you sabi.

You better go and worry about Trump who is a DEI president of the United States of America.

A felon who is also the president of the USA. That’s exactly the definition of DEI.
If it's not discrimination what is it?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 12:04am On Apr 02
raumdeuter:
I am saying blacks do not need reduced cutoff or pander to them just give us the same standards you give everyone else. Dont patronize us. If we pass fine. If we dont pass no problem we will try harder. We are capable of doing what every race can do
I would agree with this completely, Raum.

The problem however, is reverse DEI that has been a barrier to entry to black people and women that has existed for decades, and that has not let black people and women into certain professions.

If that discrimination was not endemic, DEI wouldn't be necessary, and your argument would be valid. But unfortunately it has been endemic, so DEI is to correct it.

You keep mentioning basketball, and I keep thinking the reason you might have black people in it could actually be racism. Some do badly in academics, but are passed to keep them in school where they are expected not to learn anything but just play basketball. It's after all not like the academically best of the best are who get admitted to university to play basketball, but the best at basketball.

The top ones you see are very successful, money wise, but you'd need to see the many who fall by the wayside to understand how detrimental it can actually be for most.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 12:04am On Apr 02
GracieX3:
I think you are on drugs.

What you are saying makes no sense. Hezbollah don turn car dealer huh
Chatgpt.

Project Cassandra was a decade-long DEA investigation into Hezbollah’s global criminal network. Led by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), specifically agents like Jack Kelly and illicit finance expert David Asher.

Modus Operandi: It tracked a multibillion-dollar cocaine trafficking and money-laundering scheme that used Lebanese banks and U.S. used-car dealerships to fund militant activities. This involved buying thousands of used cars in the U.S. and shipping them to Cotonou, Benin, and Nigeria to be sold for cash that was then funneled back to Hezbollah.

Termination: Effectively stalled by the Obama administration to preserve diplomatic relations with Iran during the 2015 nuclear deal negotiations


By now you should know I don't just post anything without evidence.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by PDPGuy(op): 12:11am On Apr 02
IjeBos:
Lol. Speaker Johnson basically caved and accepted the bipartisan Senate deal he said was unacceptable a few days ago.
You see that Speaker ehn, he’s one of the biggest snakes in DC 🤣
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 12:35am On Apr 02
raumdeuter:
I have heard that oil companies in Nigeria hiring based some positions on community slots and give preference to locals from drilling community

Is that true or false?
It is true for low grade positions. You can not be drilling oil in my community and fill all posts with outsiders. We community insiders will resent not reaping from our land and blow up your oil company. And that's why you do what is right and allocate some jobs to my community.

You wouldn't however just drag an unqualified person from my community and give them a job in your oil company that they are not qualified for. Smart you would go as far as India to hire technicians who know how to do what you want done if you can't find competent people in my community or in the entire Nigeria, and you'd sadly hire my community people to clean toilets and fill my ïgnorantly proposed DEI quota.

You are not stupǐd enough, I hope, to hire an unqualified DEI person from my community as a technician in your oil company in my community. And I'd like to hope you'd not think I am stupǐd enough to insist you employ an unqualified person from my community for a job they are not qualified for. If we are both that stupǐd, we shouldn't be surprised your oil company makes no money and eventually goes bankrupt. And when that happens, you definitely wouldn't be hiring unqualified or qualified DEIs from my community nor qualified people from anywhere.

And that's precisely why smart intelligent community leader me will insist you DEI by investing in the schools in my community so that people in my community can qualify to go for further education that I will insist you give scholarships for so that you can hire them as technicians after they have qualified. And smart you will agree because you see advantage (my people not blowing up your oil company for instance) in investing in my community. You'd be able to advertise your product as socially responsibly sourced if you do. And my community people will not blow up your oil company because that would be like stupidly blowing up the food on our own community dinning table. Smart me will join smart you to dissuade those whom such stupǐd thoughts cross their mind.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 12:42am On Apr 02
benalvino3:
Historically, mostly men, and in many places mostly white men. my point, even if there is past imbalance, it does not make present discrimination okay. The proper fix is to expand opportunity and remove barriers, not to tilt selection by race or sex once people are competing for the same slot.
Ben, DEI is precisely "to expand opportunity and remove barriers".

No company would leave the best out on the table and hire an incompetent DEI who can not do the job. CEOs and shareholders are far too greedy and not stupid enough for that.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 12:55am On Apr 02
benalvino3:
He had a disability that affected his development, there were thousands of kids going through the same program and training he went through and even more than he did and yet they couldn't match him. He is a talent. No where I said he does not need training. Reread what I wrote. You can train people equally and you will still have the gifted kids in the class that stands out.
I'd like to say he worked harder than some. As a former teacher, I've seen lots of untalented ducklings become very competent ducks through hard work. You may train people equally, but they still have to apply themselves in order to learn and acquire the skills.

It is a bad and incompetent teacher who assumes a student was born with a talent to play ball or do anything at all, because we know most are born without the simple ability and talent to walk or even poo not to talk of play ball like Messi.

No one or thing is handing gifts or talents out to anyone. And using gifts and talents to justify whites being in jobs few blacks or women are in should make you wonder if and why the supposed gift and talent giver is dishing them out to one race and one gender and not to the others.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 12:57am On Apr 02
bayelsaowei:
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 1:03am On Apr 02
DeepSight:
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When you look at the outcomes of Trump's actions, sometimes one is tempted to think that there is something to the idea that he is after all a Russian asset.
The thought does keep crossing my mind ever since Zelensky visited the White House. But then dump has not exactly shown he considers the consequences of his action.

In fact, I don't think he considers his actions at all, and acts just like he tweets, which is the reason he tacos in the end when consequence slaps his face.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ono(m): 1:10am On Apr 02
budaatum:
It is true for low grade positions. You can not be drilling oil in my community and fill all posts with outsiders. We community insiders will resent not reaping from our land and blow up your oil company. And that's why you do what is right and allocate some jobs to my community.

You wouldn't however just drag an unqualified person from my community and give them a job in your oil company that they are not qualified for. Smart you would go as far as India to hire technicians who know how to do what you want done if you can't find competent people in my community or in the entire Nigeria, and you'd sadly hire my community people to clean toilets and fill my ïgnorantly proposed DEI quota.

You are not stupǐd enough, I hope, to hire an unqualified DEI person from my community as a technician in your oil company in my community. And I'd like to hope you'd not think I am stupǐd enough to insist you employ an unqualified person from my community for a job they are not qualified for. If we are both that stupǐd, we shouldn't be surprised your oil company makes no money and eventually goes bankrupt. And when that happens, you definitely wouldn't be hiring unqualified or qualified DEIs from my community nor qualified people from anywhere.

And that's precisely why smart intelligent community leader me will insist you DEI by investing in the schools in my community so that people in my community can qualify to go for further education that I will insist you give scholarships for so that you can hire them as technicians after they have qualified. And smart you will agree because you see advantage (my people not blowing up your oil company for instance) in investing in my community. You'd be able to advertise your product as socially responsibly sourced if you do. And my community people will not blow up your oil company because that would be like stupidly blowing up the food on our own community dinning table. Smart me will join smart you to dissuade those whom such stupǐd thoughts cross their mind.

Now, this is the sort of post that seun's spam likes to bot, so I can only hope you get to see and read it.
The way you answer some questions, I just wonder. Have you worked in an oil company to be writing with this level of “authority” ?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 1:14am On Apr 02
GracieX3:
I'm really worried for the guy. We were talking about how some things (cars) are expensive in Nigeria, then he just shifted to Hezbollah and Obama.

This is how madness starts. shocked
I'm very normal and sober. I like pointing how Obama was a disaster to the whole world to those who call trump supporters cultist.
So yes I'll twist anything to remind us all what a useless person Obama is.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 1:15am On Apr 02
benalvino3:
If it's not discrimination what is it?
Fairness, ben. Correcting a previous discrimination.

I can not deprive your boys of maths for years and expect them to be able to compete in maths with mine that I've been gifting extra maths lessons to from inside the womb.

If I want yours to have equal opportunity in maths as mine, I would need to give yours extra lessons to catch up. And that extra lesson is DEI.

Please know that if I do not want yours to ever catch up to mine, I will try to convince you that my own children have a gift for maths. I'd need to hide the gift of extra lessons from inside the womb from you for you to be convinced though, or you wouldn't be buying my gift bull, and will insist I give yours that gift of extra lessons too.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 1:37am On Apr 02
ono:
The way you answer some questions, I just wonder. Have you worked in an oil company to be writing with this level of “authority” ?
You'd be surprised what you can learn if you just ask and knock and seek and learn, ono.

I once flew to Nigeria sitting beside an Indian returning to work for an oil company. Works in Nigeria for 6 months and got 6 weeks off plus free flight to wherever he wanted to go. He was a low level technician, by his own admission, and was paid a lot for it too.

I was so annoyed that Nigerians were not employed for his job that I wanted to open the door of the plane and kick his ass out into the cloud. I think the consequence of loss of pressure is the only thing that stopped me, and the fact he convinced me he was coming with the sort of experience that would have been hard to get in Nigeria where refineries hardly worked.

What applies in my oil company response applies in other fields too. Ordinary burger selling McDonald's have a social responsibility policy wherever they operate, how much more an oil company.

It is the sensible thing to do by a smart community leader and a smart company ceo in any community. And at my level, its a thing I must know about or I wouldn't get to my level, as in, I wouldn't be hired for what it is I did.

Good community relations contribute to sales and is like easy money in the bank, while bad community relationships are often costly. The community that one does not employ would be hostile and blow up one's oil pipes.

The below is AI, so research it more please.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 1:40am On Apr 02
Europeans are leeches

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 1:40am On Apr 02
budaatum:
Fairness, ben. Correcting a previous discrimination.

I can not deprive your boys of maths for years and expect them to be able to compete in maths with mine that I've been gifting extra maths lessons to from inside the womb.

If I want yours to have equal opportunity in maths as mine, I would need to give yours extra lessons to catch up. And that extra lesson is DEI.

Please know that if I do not want yours to ever catch up to mine, I will try to convince you that my own children have a gift for maths. I'd need to hide the gift of extra lessons from inside the womb from you for you to be convinced though, or you wouldn't be buying my gift bull, and will insist I give yours that gift of extra lessons too.
Calling discrimination fairness lol
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 1:42am On Apr 02
benalvino3:
Anyone can fly a plane with minimal instructions, what raumdeuter or Charlie Kirk are talking about is if the person is the most qualified, the best from the basket or the person was selected even if they are not the best option because of their color.

This is common sense.
Flight school is prohibitively expensive. It doesn't require a graduate degree as such but a pilot must be methodical, sharp , patient , observant and alert at all times.
The autopilot does most of the work in modern planes right after liftoff to landing.

So there is plenty of room to lower the requirements among the candidates who meet the basic criteria for the First Officer whose usually under the watchful eye if the Captain.
A First officer usually has the CPL then an advanced flight course (ME/IR) then accumulates hours under the Captain.
There is also continuous training of pilots including going for advanced simulator tests every few years . New model , new training for the pilots.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 1:47am On Apr 02
benalvino3:
You can train people equally and you will still have the gifted kids in the class that stands out.
And as I said. I just need to hide from you the fact I was gifting my own child talent when it was inside the womb. That way, you'd just conclude yours don't have the talent for maths that mine have, and you wouldn't be asking me to DEI yours so they may have a chance of catching up and compete with mine.

For your information, gifted is old ancient theory. Modern education frowns at the phrase because it is understood that self application matters.

Please do not accept the below. Ask your own AI.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 1:50am On Apr 02
basilico:
Flight school is prohibitively expensive. It doesn't require a graduate degree as such but a pilot must be methodical, sharp , patient , observant and alert at all times.
The autopilot does most of the work in modern planes right after liftoff to landing.

So there is plenty of room to lower the requirements among the candidates who meet the basic criteria for the First Officer whose usually under the watchful eye if the Captain.
A First officer usually has the CPL then an advanced flight course (ME/IR) then accumulates hours under the Captain.
There is also continuous training of pilots including going for advanced simulator tests every few years . New model , new training for the pilots.
The pilot sits and lets the autopilot take control. Many times a crash happens because the pilot is fighting with the computer system, causing key safety mechanisms to disengage.

A pilot should be situational alert, he should be able to understand what is going on in different scenarios and take the best needed action, otherwise the plane is doing most of the heavy lifting.

My point is, there is a difference between flying a plane and be a genius of a pilot. The fact you have all the qualifications does not make you the best. So when I said anyone can fly a plane with basic instructions, while that statement is true, I don't mean it literally.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 1:57am On Apr 02
benalvino3:
You’re not getting what I mean. Sure, anyone can fly a plane, but that doesn’t mean airlines hire just anyone who can. I’m talking about hiring truly qualified pilots, the best from a pool of skilled professionals. Like it or not, DEI puts a question mark on that.
These people don't understand. Flying a plane is not exactly rocket science, it's easier than say writing code.

In coding you learn more by making mistakes then debugging
A pilot cannot afford to make a mistake.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 2:03am On Apr 02
budaatum:
And as I said. I just need to hide from you the fact I was gifting my own child talent when it was inside the womb. That way, you'd just conclude yours don't have the talent for maths that mine have, and you wouldn't be asking me to DEI yours so they may have a chance of catching up and compete with mine.

For your information, gifted is old ancient theory. Modern education frowns at the phrase because it is understood that self application matters.

Please do not accept the below. Ask your own AI.
You cannot educate a footballer to be like Messi, no amount of training will allow a footballer to be like Messi. Some people are truly gifted. Even in education

Growth mindset is not the same as blank-slate theory. Saying effort matters does not mean innate differences do not exist. So your AI probing is wrong on the part you highlighted.

the real position is not giftedness is fake versus effort is everything. It is that both matter. Effort can raise performance, but it cannot erase all natural variation.

That is why not everyone becomes Messi, not everyone becomes Einstein, and not everyone reaches the same level in maths even under the same teaching,
linguistic advantages, educational methods, and strong cultural emphasis on effort
.

Training develops ability; it does not create identical ceilings for everyone.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 2:04am On Apr 02
benalvino3:
Calling discrimination fairness lol
No ben. And I believe we agreed not to do what you did there.

When I give yours extra maths lessons, I am not discriminating against mine at all, since I am not taking away from mine to give to yours whom I definitely love much less than I love mine. I am simply giving yours what mine had so yours can have as good opportunities as mine have or at least better than they'd have if I didn't DEI them. And the reason I'm giving yours that DEI opportunity is so they can earn more so I can tax them more and have more money to make our community better.

I'm self centred like that, and don't want yours pulling the neighbourhood down because they lacked the opportunity mine had. Both of ours being proficient in maths benefits the community more than just mine being proficient, and mine wouldn't be advantaged and dominate yours, or rather, yours wouldn't be disadvantaged and subservient to mine.

I'm not lowering the standard for yours or discriminating against mine, ben. I'm simply giving yours extra support so yours can catch up from you not giving yours the advantage I gave mine from inside the womb.
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