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LordReed the bot deleted your post. And post was nonsense and have no clue of what you are asking me to read.

Why does the EU and NATO countries want the US to help contain Russia while they simultaneously reject helping US contain Iran?

It is not their War they said. Ukraine is not Americas' war too

Oliver North was convicted for selling Iran weapons while Reagan was President.
Now, Fox News has him on TV saying Iran shouldn't have weapons while Fox News makes the argument the US has been at war with Iran for 47 years.
They expect their viewers to be too stewpid to remember history.

bemeruca:
LordReed the bot deleted your post. And post was nonsense and have no clue of what you are asking me to read.

Why does the EU and NATO countries want the US to help contain Russia while they simultaneously reject helping US contain Iran?

It is not their War they said. Ukraine is not Americas' war too

The difference is Ukraine isn’t the aggressor in the war against Russia. It doesn’t matter if Ukraine is part of NATO or not.

In the case of the US-Isreal invasion on Iran, they are both the aggressors. Anybody beg them to go start war?

If Trump wants to abandon Ukraine then let him go ahead and do it. The EU will support Ukraine. One maniac cannot be holding the whole world to ransom. He should buzz off..

bayelsaowei:
The difference is Ukraine isn’t the aggressor in the war against Russia. It doesn’t matter if Ukraine is part of NATO or not.

In the case of the US-Isreal invasion on Iran, they are both the aggressors. Anybody beg them to go start war?

If Trump wants to abandon Ukraine then let him go ahead and do it. The EU will support Ukraine. One maniac cannot be holding the whole world to ransom. He should buzz off..

Ukraine is not the aggressor still does not matter, they needed America, so when America needs them they turn their backs.

The UK can't even manage their ships because they know in times of need the US will send theirs.

You hear countries like Spain saying they are blocking airspace. Why do such a thing?

They have shown their hands and the US should pull out of NATO. It is useless

bemeruca:
LordReed the bot deleted your post. And post was nonsense and have no clue of what you are asking me to read.

Why does the EU and NATO countries want the US to help contain Russia while they simultaneously reject helping US contain Iran?

It is not their War they said. Ukraine is not Americas' war too

LoLz. You have no clue because you are a lemming.

Look up 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances.

bemeruca:
Ukraine is not the aggressor still does not matter, they needed America, so when America needs them they turn their backs.

The UK can't even manage their ships because they know in times of need the US will send theirs.

You hear countries like Spain saying they are blocking airspace. Why do such a thing?

They have shown their hands and the US should pull out of NATO. It is useless

The EU is laughable. They severely limited fossil fuel exploitation, shut down nuclear and coal plants all in the name of saving mother earth. Then the precipitated the Ukraine war by enticing Zelensky to join NATO and the EU.
The blocked purchase of Russian energy to weaken Putin. They still buy some oil from Russia shipped to Chinese and indian importers at a discount. More expensively.

With the Iranian blocking the straits they have no reliable source .
I believe the EU liberals support the spirit of the War in Iran ,but they have a sizeable Muslim voting block they imported whom they fear to lose.

Trump has told them , we'll smash up Iran ,we don't need the oil ,it will be upto EU to protect the strait which will be their main energy source.
Don't forget America controls Venezuela oil , he can chose whom to sell to.

NATO chief is headed to the WH this week as a matter of urgency

LordReed:
LoLz. You have no clue because you are a lemming.

Look up 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances.

I have, the US did not pledge to defend Ukraine, they said they won't attack ukraine or use nukes against them. Russia and the UK also pledge they won't attack Ukraine. So the assignment for you is to quote where the US claims they will defend Ukraine in a war.

This goes to show how you have comprehension problem.

basilico:
The EU is laughable. They severely limited fossil fuel exploitation, shut down nuclear and coal plants all in the name of saving mother earth. Then the precipitated the Ukraine war by enticing Zelensky to join NATO and the EU.
The blocked purchase of Russian energy to weaken Putin. They still buy some oil from Russia shipped to Chinese and indian importers at a discount. More expensively.

With the Iranian blocking the straits they have no reliable source .
I believe the EU liberals support the spirit of the War in Iran ,but they have a sizeable Muslim voting block they imported whom they fear to lose.

Trump has told them , we'll smash up Iran ,we don't need the oil ,it will be upto EU to protect the strait which will be their main energy source.
Don't forget America controls Venezuela oil , he can chose whom to sell to.

NATO chief is headed to the WH this week as a matter of urgency

Joining NATO or the EU is not the sole reason Putin is invading Ukraine. I used to think that was the case till I watched Putin give his reasons. He wants to errect the soviet union.

He was thinking Ukraine would be easy, and after Ukraine, he would have gone to another country.

LordReed:
LoLz. You have no clue because you are a lemming.

Look up 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances.

Before that Russia had been promised that NATO wouldn't expand an inch eastwards.

bemeruca:
I have, the US did not pledge to defend Ukraine, they said they won't attack ukraine or use nukes against them. Russia and the UK also pledge they won't attack Ukraine. So the assignment for you is to quote where the US claims they will defend Ukraine in a war.

This goes to show how you have comprehension problem.

You are the person with the problem.

LordReed:
You are the person with the problem.

The UN is not the US.

Security Council is the UN. This is why I said you don't understand anything. You should be sleeping.

bemeruca:
Joining NATO or the EU is not the sole reason Putin is invading Ukraine. I used to think that was the case till I watched Putin give his reasons. He wants to errect the soviet union.

He was thinking Ukraine would be easy, and after Ukraine, he would have gone to another country.

He actually thought Ukraine would be easy .
He still dreams of the USSR .
Putin also blows hot and cold.
He tried to join NATO, he was rebuffed. Had they worked out a framework or cooperation I doubt he would have resorted to territorial expansion.
But do not forget NATO and EU went on a spree , enticing neighbouring countries to join them. 14 countries formerly under Russia control joined NATO, 11 of them joined EU.
Effectively forming a defensive western flank . Ukraine topography and proximity to Moscow 400 km would be crucial if NATO was to invade Russia.

basilico:
He actually thought Ukraine would be easy .
He still dreams of the USSR .
Putin also blows hot and cold.
He tried to join NATO, he was rebuffed. Had they worked out a framework or cooperation I doubt he would have resorted to territorial expansion.
But do not forget NATO and EU went on a spree , enticing neighbouring countries to join them. 14 countries formerly under Russia control joined NATO, 11 of them joined EU.
Effectively forming a defensive western flank . Ukraine topography and proximity to Moscow 400 km would be crucial if NATO was to invade Russia.

This war is not just addressing Iran, it is addressing China as well.

bemeruca:
Ukraine is not the aggressor still does not matter, they needed America, so when America needs them they turn their backs.

The UK can't even manage their ships because they know in times of need the US will send theirs.

You hear countries like Spain saying they are blocking airspace. Why do such a thing?

They have shown their hands and the US should pull out of NATO. It is useless

Let the US pull out..

The relaxing truth is that Trump isn’t the owner of the US. When he is gone with his stinking cabinet, subsequent presidents would restore and improve allyship with NATO.


He should getat..

bemeruca:
Why does the EU and NATO countries want the US to help contain Russia while they simultaneously reject helping US contain Iran?

The reason is because an attack on Ukraine is a threat to Europe, and the idea of NATO is that a threat to one is a threat to all.

Iran was however not a threat, as in, they haven't attacked any member of NATO yet, and NATO policy is not "USA attacks, so NATO must attack too", as dump thinks it must be and is being told it isn't.

Do note that no NATO member has attacked Russia in response to Russia's attack on Ukraine. That's because Ukraine is not a NATO member. If Russia attack a NATO member, all other NATO members are obliged to go to war against Russia.

But of course, you ben, will now spend the rest of the day arguing against this very well known fact. You'll forgive me if I limit my response to the minimum.

bayelsaowei:
Let the US pull out..

The relaxing truth is that Trump isn’t the owner of the US. When he is gone with his stinking cabinet, subsequent presidents would restore and improve allyship with NATO.


He should getat..

Naa they improved the free ride of NATO, they improved the reliance of NATO which is why the UK does not have a functioning navy.

They should restore it by allowing European countries who destroy their own ability to do anything so they can rely on the US use them, trump is not allowing it.

Even Israel is moving away from the US because of the growing antisemitism in today's world. Israel knows how the world is and they want to adapt, both the US and Israel benefit from their alliance more. Tech and intelligence. The EU does not win in anything.

budaatum:
The reason is because an attack on Ukraine is a threat to Europe, and the idea of NATO is that a threat to one is a threat to all.

Iran was however not a threat, as in, they haven't attacked any member of NATO yet, and NATO policy is not "USA attacks, so NATO must attack too", as dump thinks it must be and is being told it isn't.

Do note that no NATO member has attacked Russia in response to Russia's attack on Ukraine. That's because Ukraine is not a NATO member. If Russia attack a NATO member, all other NATO members are obliged to go to war against Russia.

But of course, you ben, will now spend the rest of the day arguing against this very well known fact. You'll forgive me if I limit my response to the minimum.

A nuclear Iran is a threat to the US, NATO and Israel. If its a threat to EU why is it americas problem? Yet they want america to do the heavy lifting while they can't do the minimum against Iran.

Iran has been attacking the US and and NATO for decades. Russia did not attack NATO either. They are helping Ukraine, they cannot attack Russia, they don't have to attack Iran too, which is why I am asking why are they denying the US their airspace then? They all agree Iran must not have nukes.

bemeruca:
Naa they improved the free ride of NATO, they improved the reliance of NATO which is why the UK does not have a functioning navy.

They should restore it by allowing European countries who destroy their own ability to do anything so they can rely on the US use them, trump is not allowing it.

Even Israel is moving away from the US because of the growing antisemitism in today's world. Israel knows how the world is and they want to adapt, both the US and Israel benefit from their alliance more. Tech and intelligence. The EU does not win in anything.

No wahala. But note. Once Trump and his rotten admin is gone, saner presidents would restore the warm and wholesome relationship they once had with the EU.

bayelsaowei:
No wahala. But note. Once Trump and his rotten admin is gone, saner presidents would restore the warm and wholesome relationship they once had with the EU.

Not saner, mumuo president will come and play Mr nice guy while the EU do fake eye service for him or her as long as they pay the bills.

bemeruca:
A nuclear Iran is a threat to the US, NATO and Israel. If its a threat to EU why is it americas problem? Yet they want america to do the heavy lifting while they can't do the minimum against Iran.

Iran has been attacking the US and and NATO for decades. Russia did not attack NATO either. They are helping Ukraine, they cannot attack Russia, they don't have to attack Iran too, which is why I am asking why are they denying the US their airspace then? They all agree Iran must not have nukes.

Why won’t they deny the arrogant self serving orange man their air space. Did he consult with them before attacking Iran?

Did he engage his critical stakeholders before riding solo with Isreal? Did he engage the EU. Did he even fully engage congress before his attack on Iran?

He doesn’t own the world. This is the same EU he has abused and tariffed like they were his enemies.

The world wasn’t created for Trump and his ego.

bemeruca:
Not saner, mumuo president will come and play Mr nice guy while the EU do fake eye service for him or her as long as they pay the bills.

you can call them mumu as you like.

Na you sabi. Go and force them to open their air space.

We are talking about the same maniac who wanted to attack Greenland…

And to add.

The same man has told the EU that he doesn’t need their help. That the US is all powerful.

So why the rant? He said he doesn’t need their air space… so why the complaints..

bayelsaowei:
you can call them mumu as you like.

Na you sabi. Go and force them to open their air space.

We are talking about the same maniac who wanted to attack Greenland…

He never wanted to attack Greenland. Even Zelensky told them they can't defend Greenland without the US. Zelensky thinks NATO is a joke, over-reliant. So let them break apart, that way they will do the needful, and when conflicts start to casala, we shall know who has whose back

bayelsaowei:
And to add.

The same man has told the EU that he doesn’t need their help. That the US is all powerful.

So why the rant? He said he doesn’t need their air space… so why the complaints..

Yes, he does not. The conflict is biting now they are talking about doing something. Let's see how they go about it. They handicapped themselves in the energy sector, any small disruption, they feel the brunt.

Did they thank the US when the Houthis blocked the sea and the US opened it? How did they contribute in opening it? Free ride is all they know.

bemeruca:
He never wanted to attack Greenland. Even Zelensky told them they can't defend Greenland without the US. Zelensky thinks NATO is a joke, over-reliant. So let them break apart, that way they will do the needful, and when conflicts start to casala, we shall know who has whose back

It was a doable option to acquire Greenland by using military force.

bayelsaowei:
It was a doable option to acquire Greenland by using military force.

Trump is never going to do that. The attack of Iran is not a playbook of his own. It is possible that kamala would have done the same thing.

It is why she was saying she will go after Iran when she was the vice.

bemeruca:
A nuclear Iran is a threat to the US, NATO and Israel. If its a threat to EU why is it americas problem? Yet they want america to do the heavy lifting while they can't do the minimum against Iran.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that Europe does not agree that Iran is a threat to them.

bemeruca:
Iran has been attacking the US and and NATO for decades.

You will need to provide evidence for "Iran is a threat to the US, NATO", please ben, because NATO, at least, do not agree with you that Iran has attacked them.

bemeruca:
Russia did not attack NATO either. They are helping Ukraine, they cannot attack Russia, they don't have to attack Iran too, which is why I am asking why are they denying the US their airspace then? They all agree Iran must not have nukes.

It's likely impossible for you to understand that Ukraine is in Europe's backyard, and a threat to Ukraine is a threat to Europe, and that's why Europe assist Ukraine but still refuse to go to war against Russia. If Ukraine were a NATO member, that assistance would be war against Russia, and USA can refuse to assist if they want, but there will be consequences.

NATO, or rather, European countries, since NATO does not apply here, on the other hand, were not consulted nor informed before dump went and attacked Iran, and NATO and Europe see dump's as the aggressor attacking Iran. Like US went looking for a fight, and is now calling on NATO to help. NATO was not created to go and seek enemies. It's purpose is defence against those who attack its members, so why would Europe get involved now and just because dump has put himself in a quagmire in Iran?

Did Europe that he did not consult send him?

To add, previous presidents all said they are going to recognize as Jerusalem the capital of Isreal, it is in their playbook that's why they all talked about it. Trump came, looked at the playbook and said I have the balls to do this. And he did it.

bemeruca:
Yes, he does not. The conflict is biting now they are talking about doing something. Let's see how they go about it. They handicapped themselves in the energy sector, any small disruption, they feel the brunt.

Did they thank the US when the Houthis blocked the sea and the US opened it? How did they contribute in opening it? Free ride is all they know.

Have you also forgotten how the EU bled and lost lives in the coalition war they fought alongside the US against Afghanistan and other intervention.

You talk like the EU has been a docile ally to the US.

bemeruca:
To add, previous presidents all said they are going to recognize as Jerusalem the capital of Isreal, it is in their playbook that's why they all talked about it. Trump came, looked at the playbook and said I have the balls to do this. And he did it.

Trump is the rat that other rats push to bell the cat.

budaatum:
You seem to be ignoring the fact that Europe does not agree that Iran is a threat to them.


You will need to provide evidence for "Iran is a threat to the US, NATO", please ben, because NATO, at least, do not agree with you that Iran has attacked them.



It's likely impossible for you to understand that Ukraine is in Europe's backyard, and a threat to Ukraine is a threat to Europe, and that's why Europe assist Ukraine but still refuse to go to war against Russia. If Ukraine were a NATO member, that assistance would be war against Russia, and USA can refuse to assist if they want, but there will be consequences.

NATO, or rather, European countries, since NATO does not apply here, on the other hand, were not consulted nor informed before dump went and attacked Iran, and NATO and Europe see dump's as the aggressor attacking Iran. Like US went looking for a fight, and is now calling on NATO to help. NATO was not created to go and seek enemies. It's purpose is defence against those who attack its members, so why would Europe get involved now and just because dump has put himself in a quagmire in Iran?

Did Europe that he did not consult send him?

The same way the US does not see Ukraine war with Russia as a threat but they still took part in it.

I don't understand why you are arguing.

The EU brands the IRGC as a terrorists group.
Educate yourself and stop spreading lies and disinformation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ahr7T0B9Iw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xSeWrml4PM

raumdeuter:
Alex Jones is now in the same team as you. Who would have thought. If you already have MTG and Fuentes then its no surprises

This is why no one should expect MAGA to be any different or learn any lessons once Trump's trashing of the US is over.
They'll just pretend he was a Democrat all along.

Just massive levels of cognitive dissonance.