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Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by divinetouch24(m): 1:10am On Apr 06

We Are All Entitled To Our Own Opinions Bro. You Can Also Impact Lives, So After You're Gone.. People Can Be Inspired By Your Way Of Life, Start a movement, Religion About You (Definitely, People Will Want To Write About You Too).

One Thing We All Need To Know Is, There's a Difference Between Who Was There When It Happened. Who Heard About It When It Happened, And Who Was Told/Heard Stories And Was Inspired To Write It.

Another Thing Is This. The Resurrection Story Was Written By 4 Different People, At Different Time, Age (We Learnt They Were Inspired By The Holy Spirit.) Now, Let's Be Constructive And Ractional Here.

1. The Writers Were Inspired, They Were Not Present When It Happened.

2. When Any Human Have An Idea About Something, Our Levels Or Interpretations Are Not The Same, Our Reasoning Aren't Of Same Pace, But All That Matters Is The End Result.

3. Geography As a Subject Has Over 3 Definition Composed, Discovered By Various Geographers Age, Centuries Apart. Yet, Their Various Definition Mean Same Thing.

Seun:
The best evidence that Christianity is not true is the account of the resurrection of Jesus in the gospels. The accounts in Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are contradictory on basic facts. There is no way to construct a coherent account of the resurrection of Jesus that does't contradict one or more of the biblical accounts. See the contradictions below:

Who went to the tomb?
John: Mary Magdalene alone.
Matthew: Mary Magdalene and "the other Mary."
Mark: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome.
Luke: Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and "other women."

Who was at the tomb when they arrived?
Matthew: One angel sitting on the stone outside.
Mark: One young man sitting inside on the right.
Luke: Two men in dazzling clothes standing inside.
John: Two angels sitting inside (but seen later, after Peter and John visit).

What did the women do afterward?
Mark: They fled and said nothing to anyone because they were afraid.
Matthew & Luke: They ran with joy to tell the disciples.

Where did Jesus first appear to the disciples?
Matthew & Mark: The disciples are told to go to Galilee, where they will see him.
Luke & John: Jesus appears to them immediately in Jerusalem.

If the supposed eye-witnesses of the most important event in Christianity couldn't agree on basic facts, their religion can't be true. Right?

So Mr Seun .. Based On This Context And Before You Can Conclude, You Need To Write Your Own Account Of Christ Reassurance. Sleep, Wake Up, Write About It, Submit Your Thesis To CAN. CAN Will Forward To The International Bible Society, If Beyond Your Fact, It Happens Your Own Narration Is True And Acceptable. Then We Now Have

Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Seun.

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by AntiChristian: 4:45am On Apr 06

Dtruthspeaker:
Only a Muslim will create stupy rules that do not exist in his hypocrisy. If he had spoken against Christianity you won't have said this.

Neither did the debate say that only religious people should participate in this debate. So it is you who is the hypocri because you already know that he put you in your proper place and you cannot reasonably answer it, hence this silly attempt of a rebuttal

How is the rule stupid when you said you are neutral to Christianity then come chuck mouth into this discussion about Christianity! Na hypocrisy be that o!

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 6:19am On Apr 06

AntiChristian:
How is the rule stupid when you said you are neutral to Christianity then come chuck mouth into this discussion about Christianity! Na hypocrisy be that o!

See your hypocrisy, you just read my answer saying that
the debate did not say that only religious people should participate in this debate. Yet you pretended not to see it. Clearly hypocrisy or ma.... .sss.

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:44am On Apr 06

Ebenezer2021:
Seun leave religion alone and go and sleep. Nigeria is burning.

How i wish you know the meaning of that name "EBENEZER"
This is not just about religion but what is happening around you.
God's word says:
“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." Matthew 24:7-8

That is what you are hearing around the world today not just religion!😟

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Ebenezer2021(m): 7:46am On Apr 06

MaxInDHouse:
How i wish you know the meaning of that name "EBENEZER"
This is not just about religion but what is happening around you.
God's word says:
“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." Matthew 24:7-8

That is what you are hearing around the world today not just religion!😟

nations has been rising against nations since the time of Adam and Eve
Even during world war 1 nations rose against nations, world war 2 nations still rose against nations, earthquake has been happening centuries ago.
Nothing has changed, the world is still recycling and it'll go on like this for ever and ever, new generations shall keep coming.

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Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by awesomeJ(m): 8:00am On Apr 06

Seun:
The best evidence that Christianity is not true is the account of the resurrection of Jesus in the gospels. The accounts in Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are contradictory on basic facts. There is no way to construct a coherent account of the resurrection of Jesus that does't contradict one or more of the biblical accounts. See the contradictions below:

Who went to the tomb?
John: Mary Magdalene alone.
Matthew: Mary Magdalene and "the other Mary."
Mark: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome.
Luke: Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and "other women."

Who was at the tomb when they arrived?
Matthew: One angel sitting on the stone outside.
Mark: One young man sitting inside on the right.
Luke: Two men in dazzling clothes standing inside.
John: Two angels sitting inside (but seen later, after Peter and John visit).

What did the women do afterward?
Mark: They fled and said nothing to anyone because they were afraid.
Matthew & Luke: They ran with joy to tell the disciples.

Where did Jesus first appear to the disciples?
Matthew & Mark: The disciples are told to go to Galilee, where they will see him.
Luke & John: Jesus appears to them immediately in Jerusalem.

If the supposed eye-witnesses of the most important event in Christianity couldn't agree on basic facts, their religion can't be true. Right?

You really should look up the meaning of contradictory. So if you had a 360 degree camera system, the fact that the 360 degree view shows a tree and a tank around your car whilst the rear camera only shows the tank is what your ignorant mind defines as contradictory huh

If John says Mary Magdalene saw Jesus, while Luke says Mary Magdalene and two other Mary saw Him, in what thwarted reasoning does that constitute a contradiction.

Is it my burn? You will have an entire eternity to learn these things in regrets, while the rest of us are cruising around distant planets and galxies. As if your choice to believe does any favours to any person. Good luck with your hope of escaping hell.

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Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by triplechoice(m): 8:34am On Apr 06*

AntiChristian:
How is the rule stupid when you said you are neutral to Christianity then come chuck mouth into this discussion about Christianity! Na hypocrisy be that o!

You keep inventing rules that don't exist. The forum has no rule saying only Christian can post in a thread about Christianity. I'm neither a Christian nor a Muslim, and that doesn't disqualify me from observing and commenting. Being neutral means I can criticise both sides without contradiction and bias. You, on the other hand, attack Christianity while hiding your Muslim identity, pretending you are above the very thing you accuse others of.

The real "hypocrisy" is you, criticising Christianity for contradiction and "mystery" , yet refusing to acknowledge that Islam has its own unresolved issues.

You don't want me to participate because the thread, according to you,is for Christians only, yet you a Muslim is very free to participate. Please listen to yourself for once so you can make sense of what you keep repeating.

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Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:03am On Apr 06

Ebenezer2021:
nations has been rising against nations since the time of Adam and Eve
Even during world war 1 nations rose against nations, world war 2 nations still rose against nations, earthquake has been happening centuries ago.
Nothing has changed, the world is still recycling and it'll go on like this for ever and ever, new generations shall keep coming.

“Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning." 2Peter 3:4

EBENEZER!
First of all i will like to tell you what that name stands for. It means: "until this point God has been helping us"

Now back to your quest.

If there was no wars Jesus couldn't have made any practical sense before his audience and wars often occurs between one nation and another.

So what is the essence of Jesus' word?

He was talking about a time when these things will start to occur and there will be no global peace the type of peace that the world has had when a nation is in control of the world.

Before now world's most powerful kings do gather armies to fight against a rebellious nation refusing to pay tributes to them but this time around nations and tribes are just fighting and there is no world power that could order them to stop unlike in ancient times!

Then comes false prophets who has not been known in times past springing up in many places and performing signs.

Then comes earthquakes incessantly occuring in different places.

Then comes different types of diseases that no physician could cure.

Has there ever been a time when all these things occurred in just a century?🤔

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by sonmvayina(m): 9:58am On Apr 06

SIRTee15:
Then explain Isaiah 53

I have explained this a thousand times. I even open a thread about it.
Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. And 8+ times prior to Isaiah 53, he told you who the servant is, like see Isaiah 45:1-7.
Isaiah 53 is about Israel as the suffering ervant. It is what the kings of the earth would say when they withness the redemption of the Jews. See my thread on this topic.
It is the kings of the earth that is talking..
"Who will believe what we(the kings of the earth) have heard(the redemption of Israel) .....
It is not a messianic prophecy. There is no death or ressuration. The servant days will be prolonged and he shall see his offspring(children) and God's will shall prosper in his hands.

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Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by sonmvayina(m): 10:05am On Apr 06

Lucifyre:
You mean the god that accepted Jephtah's sacrifice of his daughter, supposedly tested Abram with slaughtering his son is against human sacrifice and killing. Same god who outrightly commanded different genocides and supposedly wuped out the whole earth. Pot meet kettle.

The Torah is a book of the law. It is the constitution of the Jews. The stories are not supposed to be understood literally. It is not a history textbook.....
When I take my annual leave I will populate my "The letter killeth" thread.

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by SIRTee15: 10:18am On Apr 06

sonmvayina:
I have explained this a thousand times. I even open a thread about it.
Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. And 8+ times prior to Isaiah 53, he told you who the servant is, like see Isaiah 45:1-7.
Isaiah 53 is about Israel as the suffering ervant. It is what the kings of the earth would say when they withness the redemption of the Jews. See my thread on this topic.
It is the kings of the earth that is talking..
"Who will believe what we(the kings of the earth) have heard(the redemption of Israel) .....
It is not a messianic prophecy. There is no death or ressuration. The servant days will be prolonged and he shall see his offspring(children) and God's will shall prosper in his hands.

Send me a link to this thread, let me debunk it

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by sonmvayina(m): 11:14am On Apr 06

SIRTee15:
Send me a link to this thread, let me debunk it

https://www.nairaland.com/6612275/isaiah-53-why-suffering-servant

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by tanigororo: 12:21pm On Apr 06

Dtruthspeaker:
You are just pretending that you do not comprehend so you resort to repetition since you real eyes that you do not have any reasonable thing to say further.

What Jesus came to establish was clearly expressed in the Bible.
What Bible? You mean History Book?
And the first followers who subscribed to His religion Which Religion? Evidence Jesus established any religion. Except if you are not seeing that you are contradicting yourself.
were called Christians as was noted even by Bible. Period.

So you agreed Christianity doesn't exist, the Bible is an allegedly dossier compilation of some of his disciples of his daily activities.
No Law, No Rules, nothing.

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 4:44pm On Apr 06

tanigororo:
What Bible? You mean History Book?
And the first followers who subscribed to His religion Which Religion? Evidence Jesus established any religion. Except if you are not seeing that you are contradicting yourself
So you agreed Christianity doesn't exist, the Bible is an allegedly dossier compilation of some of his disciples of his daily activities.
No Law, No Rules, nothing.

What gobbledygook is this? Its like you have missed a dosage

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by SIRTee15: 7:00pm On Apr 06

sonmvayina:
https://www.nairaland.com/6612275/isaiah-53-why-suffering-servant

Have u heard of Targum?
Ok, if I show u that the Jews themselves wrote that Isaiah 43 is about the Messiah IN THEIR OWN SCRIPTURE, will this end the argument.

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by sonmvayina(m): 10:48pm On Apr 06

SIRTee15:
Have u heard of Targum?
Ok, if I show u that the Jews themselves wrote that Isaiah 43 is about the Messiah IN THEIR OWN SCRIPTURE, will this end the argument.

Isaiah 53, not 43.....
Bring it out.

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by SIRTee15: 11:32pm On Apr 06

sonmvayina:
Isaiah 53, not 43.....
Bring it out.

Ok I will bring it but I sincerely hope this settle the matter.

For your info, Targum is the Aramaic translation of the Hebrew Bible translated and written by Jewish rabbi themselves and read out loud in the synagogues during the era when Aramaic had become the mother tongue of Jews and few could speak Hebrew.

I will show u the servant mentioned in the servant songs of Isaiah 42, 49, 50, 52 and 53 is the messiah according to Jews.

I will also show u The messiah is mentioned in Isaiah 53

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Seun(mod): 12:15am On Apr 07

Guys, the old testament was quoted out of context. Please let's create a new thread for "biblical promises" if we can't relate it to the topic.

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Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 11:58am On Apr 07

SIRTee15:
Ok I will bring it but I sincerely hope this settle the matter...

Settle ke? Lie lie. He is either going to ask you more stup questions or abuse you and ask more stup questions

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 12:01pm On Apr 07

Seun:
Guys, the old testament was quoted out of context. Please let's create a new thread for "biblical promises" if we can't relate it to the topic.

It has not been sidetracked but has been over settled already. Everyone knows the Truth is that Christianity is the true religion even if they like it. And so, everyone has moved on to things of their interest

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by sonmvayina(m): 1:39pm On Apr 07

SIRTee15:
Ok I will bring it but I sincerely hope this settle the matter.

For your info, Targum is the Aramaic translation of the Hebrew Bible translated and written by Jewish rabbi themselves and read out loud in the synagogues during the era when Aramaic had become the mother tongue of Jews and few could speak Hebrew.

I will show u the servant mentioned in the servant songs of Isaiah 42, 49, 50, 52 and 53 is the messiah according to Jews.

I will also show u The messiah is mentioned in Isaiah 53

Whaaaaaaaaaaat?
So you will understline one line from a continuous story and run awày with it and think it is talking about somebody
You will remove a text from its proper context and analyse one line.....you fall my hand. It is a continuous story forget about the verses Isaiah did not add them. Read the dam story and know the message he is passing. Read it in context...and stop isolating texts....

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by SIRTee15: 2:15pm On Apr 07

sonmvayina:
Whaaaaaaaaaaat?
So you will understline one line from a continuous story and run awày with it and think it is talking about somebody
You will remove a text from its proper context and analyse one line.....you fall my hand. It is a continuous story forget about the verses Isaiah did not add them. Read the dam story and know the message he is passing. Read it in context...and stop isolating texts....

Who is the servant mentioned in Isaiah 52?

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by sonmvayina(m): 8:57pm On Apr 07

SIRTee15:
Who is the servant mentioned in Isaiah 52?

See Isaiah 45:1-7, the answer is there. God himself told you....Go argue with God.

It is the same servant that is suffering because of the iniquities of their enemies round them.
It's like you taking a line from Chinua Achebe's "Things Fall Apart" and saying it is referring to Tinubu..... Because you see somebody who said "it's my turn".......that is dumb.

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by InesQor(m): 12:14am On Apr 08*

Seun:
Believers,

I'm hungry for a debate. Let's discuss whether or not Christianity is the true religion, which is what it claims to be. What's your best evidence?

Let's have some fun!

@Seun: First, what does "true religion" even mean - and how can such a question about ideologies or worldviews not be subjective ab initio? And if subjective, how can this debate ever be meaningful?

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by SIRTee15: 12:46am On Apr 08

sonmvayina:
See Isaiah 45:1-7, the answer is there. God himself told you....Go argue with God.

It is the same servant that is suffering because of the iniquities of their enemies round them.
It's like you taking a line from Chinua Achebe's "Things Fall Apart" and saying it is referring to Tinubu..... Because you see somebody who said "it's my turn".......that is dumb.

U call yourself a Jew but completely ignorant of the Jewish scriptures. U have zero clue of the Midrash.

Now your argument hinges on servant in servant song is nation of Israel as if Israel is only applied for nation in the tanakh.

The same servant song expose u.
Isaiah 49

He said to me, “You are my servant,
Israel, in whom I will display my splendor.”
4 But I said, “I have labored in vain;
I have spent my strength for nothing at all.
Yet what is due me is in the Lord’s hand,
and my reward is with my God.”

5 And now the Lord says—
he who formed me in the womb to be his servant
to bring Jacob back to him
and gather Israel to himself,
for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord
and my God has been my strength—

This passage confirms the Lord has chosen his servant called Israel who was declared a servant right from the womb- this is a strong indication that the servant called Israel has human attributes because he was formed in the womb.

Moreover
Isaiah 49: 3-6 proves that “Israel” is an individual:
Verse 3:
“You are My servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”
Verse 5–6:
The same servant is sent to bring Jacob back to God and restore Israel.
The servant cannot be the nation if he is tasked with restoring the nation.
This strongly supports the interpretation of the Servant as:
a representative individual, from within Israel, but not the same as the whole nation.

The servant is the messiah. Read Isaiah 52.
Ancient Rabbi all said the servant is the messiah.

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Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by SIRTee15: 12:48am On Apr 08

Seun:
Guys, the old testament was quoted out of context. Please let's create a new thread for "biblical promises" if we can't relate it to the topic.

Chief Seun, kindly show us where and when the old testament was quoted out of context.

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by sonmvayina(m): 6:57pm On Apr 08

SIRTee15:
U call yourself a Jew but completely ignorant of the Jewish scriptures. U have zero clue of the Midrash.

Now your argument hinges on servant in servant song is nation of Israel as if Israel is only applied for nation in the tanakh.

The same servant song expose u.
Isaiah 49

He said to me, “You are my servant,
Israel, in whom I will display my splendor.”
4 But I said, “I have labored in vain;
I have spent my strength for nothing at all.
Yet what is due me is in the Lord’s hand,
and my reward is with my God.”

5 And now the Lord says—
he who formed me in the womb to be his servant
to bring Jacob back to him
and gather Israel to himself,
for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord
and my God has been my strength—

This passage confirms the Lord has chosen his servant called Israel who was declared a servant right from the womb- this is a strong indication that the servant called Israel has human attributes because he was formed in the womb.

Moreover
Isaiah 49: 3-6 proves that “Israel” is an individual:
Verse 3:
“You are My servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”
Verse 5–6:
The same servant is sent to bring Jacob back to God and restore Israel.
The servant cannot be the nation if he is tasked with restoring the nation.
This strongly supports the interpretation of the Servant as:
a representative individual, from within Israel, but not the same as the whole nation.

The servant is the messiah. Read Isaiah 52.
Ancient Rabbi all said the servant is the messiah.

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15980/jewish/Chapter-49.htm

I posted a link to read a better translation of the chapter.
Remember Isaiah is the one writing, he is the "I"....
Why are you taking him away from his narrative?

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by SIRTee15: 5:16am On Apr 09

sonmvayina:
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15980/jewish/Chapter-49.htm

I posted a link to read a better translation of the chapter.
Remember Isaiah is the one writing, he is the "I"....
Why are you taking him away from his narrative?

So u mean Isaiah is the servant mentioned in the servant song. Isaiah is the one called Israel in the book of Isaiah huh

?? No longer nation of Israel huh

?

The LORD said to me, “You are my servant, Israel...

Are u telling me Isaiah is the servant that will gather Israel and Jacob together back to the LORD?
How did he accomplish this? If Isaiah is the servant, did he fulfil this prophecy huh

When and how and where huh

5 And now the Lord says—
he who formed me in the womb to be his servant
to bring Jacob back to him
and gather Israel to himself,

Finally u mean Isaiah is the Lord's servant to bring salvation to the world and be a light for all nations?
Isaiah is the servant that will let the world know about the one true God?
Pray, how and when did Isaiah fulfill this prophecy huh

At this point all I can say is only God can help u to see the truth staring at u.

Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by sonmvayina(m): 11:21am On Apr 10

SIRTee15:
So u mean Isaiah is the servant mentioned in the servant song. Isaiah is the one called Israel in the book of Isaiah?? No longer nation of Israel?

The LORD said to me, “You are my servant, Israel...

Are u telling me Isaiah is the servant that will gather Israel and Jacob together back to the LORD?
How did he accomplish this? If Isaiah is the servant, did he fulfil this prophecy When and how and where

5 And now the Lord says—
he who formed me in the womb to be his servant
to bring Jacob back to him
and gather Israel to himself,

Finally u mean Isaiah is the Lord's servant to bring salvation to the world and be a light for all nations?
Isaiah is the servant that will let the world know about the one true God?
Pray, how and when did Isaiah fulfill this prophecy

At this point all I can say is only God can help u to see the truth staring at u.

Israel is the servant...that is not what i am contesting, what i added is that when Isaiah is not quoting God, the 'i' refers to himself.......
in your screen short, He is quoting God and so does not refers to him.....any other time....it is him, context is key...

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