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bemeruca:
Then your argument falls apart.

Critical race theory is BS. We already debated it here years ago

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How is it BS?
Summarize CRT in one line.

Because from what I have gathered about you, anything you say is BS probably makes sense and anything you say makes sense is probably BS.

cococandy:
Wanna see the face of the evangelicals now who thought he’s a believer

Who am I kidding? The probably love this

They think the pope is a devilish far left liberal with his love your neighbor bit.\

Tracks

IjeBos:
They think the pope is a devilish far left liberal with his love your neighbor bit.\

The conservatives today would’ve been the Pharisees of Jesus’ time.

Lost in semantics and dogma. Obsessed with pretending to be righteous but no real desire to do good or be good

IjeBos:
They think the pope is a devilish far left liberal with his love your neighbor bit.\

The conservatives today would’ve been the Pharisees of Jesus’ time.

Lost in semantics and dogma. Obsessed with pretending to be righteous but no real desire to do good or actually be good

GracieX3:
This just shows your lack of economic knowledge.

An economic recession is a direct downturn on the economy. Negative growth, slow down in economic activity, rising unemployment etc.

A recession is by far worse.

See who is boasting, you don't even know that COVID brought about a recession. But it was much worse, the entire economy was on freeze.

Nateevs2:
Take it one at a time. Start by saying all the things I pointed out are not true. Then we can move forward to other points.

You see I have caught you in fallacy land for the umpteenth time. It's clear Trump is your news source and you lack the capacity to analyse by yourself.


Obama this, Obama that. Meanwhile, your guy has managed to turn Iran, in only 5 weeks, from an economic onlooker, to a regional power broker.



Iran now is unilaterally deciding that only India, Pakistan, China, Russia, Iraq and Bangladesh can pass the strait without transit toll. All other countries, (especially US and Israel allies), must pay $2m equivalent or don't bother coming close.

Iran sent shockwaves to the established petrodollar system by determining the transaction currency for its own oil sales - Chinese Yuan. A system that has not been questioned through military force by any nation on earth since 1973.

Iran made all the US bases around its territory completely uninhabitable by US forces, leaving all GCC countries scrambling for defensive cover and assistance from Ukraine.

And these are only the few points I have time for..... There's more of I have time.



Your guy turned Iran into a military and economic force in only 5 weeks. But you are caught foaming in the mouth again.


Trump weakened Iran.... 😀😀😀😀😀

Comedy Time!

You are all over the place but still unable to make a point. But let me react to the most ignorant of all your statements.
According to you,
Iran sent shockwaves to the established petrodollar system by determining the transaction currency for its own oil sales - Chinese Yuan. A system that has not been questioned through military force by any nation on earth since 1973.
Now, at best, Iran contributed about 2% of global oil sales. If 2% of global oil is traded in Yuan and you start celebrating, then something is clearly wrong.

IjeBos:
Trump yesterday: Iran is a threat that wants to drop a nuclear bomb on the US. I will end their civilization
Trump Today: Let's do a deal together

The man is nutz

🤣🤣🤣

What ever the president says becomes viable to them. No way for them to think based on set out rules and standards.

Just mundane worshippers of Trump.

DeepSight:
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How is it BS?
Summarize CRT in one line.

Because from what I have gathered about you, anything you say is BS probably makes sense and anything you say makes sense is probably BS.

CRT posit that if the white man comes out with reparation today for slavery, they would be doing it to advance their own agenda not to help black people.

So it assume racial self interest and domination even where there may be genuine moral concern, charity, or principle.

It turns too many actions into proof of the same conclusion.

If whites help blacks, it can be called racist paternalism.

If they do not help, it can be called racist neglect.

that is why the theory circular and unfalsifiable.

Also, if CRT claims major institutions are built to preserve white dominance, then the fact that those same institutions now promote CRT rmbegs the question: is CRT really challenging the system, or has it become another ideology the system uses for its own purposes?


This is from 2021:

benalvino3:
Its nice you brought up this argument the way you did. Others will be shouting coon, kkk bla bla bla without saying any tangible thing.



In life, there are people who use people, sometimes they do something for you because it benefits them but THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. Critical race theory has made it to always be the case which is why I said it's stupid.

Let's say democrats(white) promise minority free cash($300) every month. According to Crt it's racist because this advancement only occurs because it benefits the dominant group. But the same people making this argument will turn around and call Republicans racist for telling the blacks to pull themselves up. At the end if whites do anything for blacks it's racist and if they don't do its racist. No matter what they do its racist.

Now the CRT itself is being pushed by democrats, in their school which is part of the systemic structure CRT says is used to keep black people down. If white teachers are pushing it, the systemic structure put in place are use to push it, is it not the case that critical race theory itself is used to keep the dominant race dominant? Because what you and I are discussing is about

cococandy:
Obama’s recession? You mean Obama caused a recession while he was not yet president?

This is why I feel people shouldn’t waste time debating conservatives. You spin lies and rewrite history when the argument isn’t going your way.

The 2008 recession (started in 2007 btw) that was created under a Republican president and Obama was popular for rescuing Americans from? That’s the same recession you are implying was caused by Obama when he wasn’t even president until 2009?

I’m yet to see a conservative on this thread who has even the faintest idea of what they are talking about at any time.

Just rambling in order to be part of the conversation

My dear you are so lucky to be alive to witness the creation of bluesky. There, you don't get to talk with conservatives, it's all leftist discussing how to castrate boys to make them girls and DEI so run off and go play with your friends.

bemeruca:
More like you shy away from basic common sense and fact because it will contradict your belief.

It seems like you follow this your anti-Trump and anti-American agenda like a religion.

Someone from the UAE is talking about how different they are from the Iranian regime. This is why you would likely go on a vacation in the UAE or work-related assignment in the UAE rather than Iran or Gaza you like to whitewash.

I am not watching any video. You were fully poised yesterday to bask in the killing of women and children. Rather than condemn Trumps aspiration to blow up a country’s infrastructure and its people, you chose to ramble about the Iranians.

Carry your video Dey go.. I no wan watch.

bayelsaowei:
I am not watching any video. You were fully poised yesterday to bask in the killing of women and children. Rather than condemn Trumps aspiration to blow up a country’s infrastructure and its people, you chose to ramble about the Iranians.

Carry your video Dey go.. I no wan watch.

How was I poised? Saying it is stupid to send people to go and gather at a military target does not mean I want them to die. Isn't that the opposite?

How is it that every time I ask people or plead for people to stay out of danger and not confront law enforcement, the ones who encourage confronting law enforcement are the first to point a finger at me and claim that I want people to die? How?

bemeruca:
CRT posit that if the white man comes out with reparation today for slavery, they would be doing it to advance their own agenda not to help black people.

So it assume racial self interest and domination even where there may be genuine moral concern, charity, or principle.

It turns too many actions into proof of the same conclusion.

If whites help blacks, it can be called racist paternalism.

If they do not help, it can be called racist neglect.

that is why the theory circular and unfalsifiable.

Also, if CRT claims major institutions are built to preserve white dominance, then the fact that those same institutions now promote CRT rmbegs the question: is CRT really challenging the system, or has it become another ideology the system uses for its own purposes?


This is from 2021:

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Just as I suspected, you don't even know what CRT is.

Olodo.

DeepSight:
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Just as I suspected, you don't even know what CRT is.

Olodo.

Tell us what it is.

I know you don't have anything as usual

bemeruca:
Tell us what it is.

I know you don't have anything as usual

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Prostrate.

tctrills:
My dear you are so lucky to be alive to witness the creation of bluesky. There, you don't get to talk with conservatives, it's all leftist discussing how to castrate boys to make them girls and DEI so run off and go play with your friends.

Ah. The classic conservative deflection to blaming trans people when you don’t know what the heck you’re arguing about.

Tell us more about the recession Obama created in 2008 before he became president in 2009.

Leave trans folks out of this. They are your convenient scapegoats when you start losing face.

bemeruca:
Bell’s basic claim is that Black gains are often accepted when they converge with white interests, not simply because the dominant group suddenly became altruistic. In Bell’s famous Brown v. Board of Education and the Interest-Convergence Dilemma, he writes that “the interest of blacks in achieving racial equality will be accommodated only when it converges with the interests of whites,” and that effective remedies are less likely when they threaten whites’ superior social status.

As usual, you Re an empty b-rell making noise.

https://blog.richmond.edu/criticalracetheory/files/2019/02/Brown-v.-Board-of-Education-and-the-Interest-Convergence-Dilemma-1.pdf

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Kneel down.

bemeruca:
How was I poised? Saying it is stupid to send people to go and gather at a military target does not mean I want them to die. Isn't that the opposite?

How is it that every time I ask people or plead for people to stay out of danger and not confront law enforcement, the ones who encourage confronting law enforcement are the first to point a finger at me and claim that I want people to die? How?

Who sent who?

bemeruca:
How was I poised? Saying it is stupid to send people to go and gather at a military target does not mean I want them to die. Isn't that the opposite?

How is it that every time I ask people or plead for people to stay out of danger and not confront law enforcement, the ones who encourage confronting law enforcement are the first to point a finger at me and claim that I want people to die? How?

Its really mental

There is a coming lethal force

A - Please dont go and put yourself in the path, move away from it

B - Go and stay in front of the lethal force coming, place yourself in its path

Guess to the leftists which one is encourage civilian harm and which one wants people to die?

When I say leftists are insane you think say na joke

raumdeuter:
Its really mental

There is a coming lethal force

A - Please dont go and put yourself in the path, move away from it

B - Go and stay in front of the lethal force coming, place yourself in its path

Guess to the leftists which one is encourage civilian harm and which one wants people to die?

When I say leftists are insane you think say na joke

are you talking about the same Iranians that protested fearlessly against their own iron fist government?

It's almost painful to read the ignorance you spew - and considering your profession, your inability (or is it just unwillingness?) to question any of the "marketing material" you parrot here is quite concerning. Have you been the victim of repeated scams in real life .

DeepSight:
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Your double standards stand out. You are ready to attribute the printing press somehow to your religion, but wish to exclude the many developments in the Islamic world of antiquity from Islam.

The lacuna in reasoning is yours. The printing press is an artefact which is clearly attributable to a particular religious & sociocultural milieu. If, as you insist, religion or faith had nothing to do with it, then it must be sociocultural by default. So, what artefacts can you point to from the AM world or SSA?

DeepSight:
My position is consistent - its not the religions, its simply the people evolving. When we speak of the golden age of Islam, we are simply referring to a period when Islamic empires and people flourished with great development that impacted the world.

When asked how this "moral evolution" happens, you could only - and it still sounds so lame, even now - mutter, "wars & rebellion"

Both yourself and Lord Reed fail to grasp culture - what it is and how it is shaped. Culture is downstream of religion and scientific advancement, technological innovation and the like. Computers came - revolutionised the workplace. Further advances changed how we communicate, how we access information. Likewise, religious tenets deeply held and lived, shape conduct, behaviours relationships.

Why do the historical JC nations practice monogamy, whereas, monogamy is still extant in AM world or SSA. Why hasn't the "moral evolution" that would remove this, at best, lesser form of marriage\dysfunctional relationship?

DeepSight:
We are not so thoughtless as to attribute the development specifically to something in Islam, the way you are eager to attribute all Western Science to Judeo-Christianity.

Hopefully, you can grasp why you err here form my statement above? No ? Okay, let's move from science\tech\innovation for a mo'. Apart form the marriage example above, why does the AM and SSH still practice slavery, child marriage, subsistence pastoralism and a host of other practices that are not only of little social value, but actually deleterious in many instances?

DeepSight:
It is a fact of history that Islam had a golden age in the way I have described above. Anyone denying it is either unschooled or or simply in denial from religious extremism or bigotry.

This so called golden age is a myth. A contrived narrative, and doesn't bear scrutiny - even by an unlearned enemy . I'll give a broad overview.

The claim is that this golden age was from the 8th through the 14th century, yes? Islam started in the 7th century. So the claim is essentially within a 100 years, ee.slam, became a powehouse of scientific discovery and technological advancement - leading the world. And you believe that?

What was the mechanism by which ee.slam did this? Did the gee.hard.ests, armies pack science books which they distributed to conquered peoples ? That would explain why after each mose.slim tear.roar.wrist attack, science compendiums are found scattered at the scene .

Or perhaps once they overran all the native populations from the Copts to the Berbers to the Persians and others, they gave them strict instructions to ensure science and technology where advanced at all speed before they returned - or else!. Have you no mind of your own?

Cities like Baghdad, Cordoba and Cairo, were civilisational laggards, technologically backwards, until the advent of ee.slam. Ee.slam made all these breakthroughs and innovations, handed them off to the unbelieving West and then regressed back to the 7th century. Leaving no single scientific, technological or sociocultural artefacts that we can point to that advanced mankind? No evidence of the ME of which you speak.


I extract -

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The Islamic Golden Age (roughly 8th to 14th century) was a powerhouse of intellectual activity. While Europe was in the Early Middle Ages, scholars in cities like Baghdad, Córdoba, and Cairo were synthesizing Greek, Indian, and Persian knowledge while making massive original breakthroughs. Here are the major subjects and innovations they contributed to the modern world:

1. Mathematics: The Language of Science: Perhaps the most visible legacy is in our numbers. Islamic mathematicians didn't just preserve math; they revolutionized how we calculate. Algebra: Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi wrote The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing. The word "Algebra" comes from his term al-jabr. He treated algebra as a distinct discipline for the first time.

Arabic Numerals & Zero: While the symbols originated in India, Islamic scholars refined the decimal system and the concept of zero (0), then introduced them to the West.

Algorithms: The word "algorithm" is actually a Latinized corruption of al-Khwarizmi’s name.

Trigonometry: Scholars like al-Battani isolated functions like sine, cosine, and tangent, which were essential for both astronomy and navigation.

2. Medicine: Systematic Healing - The Islamic world moved medicine from folklore to a rigorous, empirical science. The Canon of Medicine: Written by Ibn Sina (Avicenna), this remained the standard medical textbook in Europe and the Middle East for over 600 years. Hospitals (Bimaristans): They created the first modern hospitals with separate wards for different diseases, pharmacies, and even "internships" for medical students.

Surgery: Al-Zahrawi (Albucasis) is often called the "father of surgery." He invented over 200 surgical instruments—including the scalpel, bone saw, and forceps—many of which have designs that remain recognizable today.

Circulation: Ibn al-Nafis was the first to correctly describe pulmonary circulation (how blood moves through the heart and lungs).

3. Physics and Optics - Before this era, people believed the eyes emitted rays to "see" objects. Islamic scientists corrected this. Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen): Often called the first true scientist, he pioneered the scientific method, emphasizing repeatable experiments.

The Camera Obscura: Al-Haytham explained how light travels in straight lines and enters the eye, using the "dark room" (camera obscura) principle to prove it. This is the fundamental ancestor of the modern camera.

4. Chemistry (Alchemy): The word "Chemistry" comes from al-kimiya. Islamic scholars transitioned alchemy from a mystical pursuit of turning lead into gold into a practical science. Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber): He introduced systematic laboratory methods and identified many common acids (like sulfuric and nitric acid). Distillation: He perfected the process of distillation, which led to the creation of perfumes, medicines, and refined oils.

5. Engineering and Navigation - Practicality was at the heart of many innovations, especially regarding water and travel. Crankshafts and Water Pumps: Al-Jazari, a brilliant engineer, designed intricate clocks, hand-washing automata, and the crankshaft—one of the most important mechanical inventions in human history.

6. Higher Education Universities: The University of al-Qarawiyyin in Fez, Morocco (founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 AD), is recognized by UNESCO and Guinness World Records as the oldest continuously operating, degree-granting university in the world.
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DeepSight:
So, TV01, what exactly is wrong with you? Did you skip classes or you are just allergic to history or what?

I can differentiate betwixt history and marketing !


TV

bayelsaowei:
Who sent who?

See no evil, hear no evil. All you know is trump = bad and even Satan gets a pass if he is dealing with trump.


What a question.
So you don't know Iranian regime asked women and children to go and risk their lives and die. Which is what that video you refused to watch was about.

tctrills:
See who is boasting, you don't even know that COVID brought about a recession. But it was much worse, the entire economy was on freeze.

MAGA delusion is worrying you.


Covid caused a SHORT TERM recession. Emphasis on short term.

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Wrong section

And worsened by Trump’s handling of it BTW

GracieX3:



MAGA delusion is worrying you.


Covid caused a SHORT TERM recession. Emphasis on short term.

bemeruca:
See no evil, hear no evil. All you know is trump = bad and even Satan gets a pass if he is dealing with trump.


What a question.
So you don't know Iranian regime asked women and children to go and risk their lives and die. Which is what that video you refused to watch was about.

Who sent the Iranians that protested against the Iranian government late last year and into this year?

TV01:
It's almost painful to read the ignorance you spew - and considering your profession, your inability (or is it just unwillingness?) to question any of the "marketing material" you parrot here is quite concerning. Have you been the victim of repeated scams in real life .

The lacuna in reasoning is yours. The printing press is an artefact which is clearly attributable to a particular religious & sociocultural milieu. If, as you insist, religion or faith had nothing to do with it, then it must be sociocultural by default. So, what artefacts can you point to from the AM world or SSA?


When asked how this "moral evolution" happens, you could only - and it still sounds so lame, even now - mutter, "wars & rebellion"

Both yourself and Lord Reed fail to grasp culture - what it is and how it is shaped. Culture is downstream of religion and scientific advancement, technological innovation and the like. Computers came - revolutionised the workplace. Further advances changed how we communicate, how we access information. Likewise, religious tenets deeply held and lived, shape conduct, behaviours relationships.

Why do the historical JC nations practice monogamy, whereas, monogamy is still extant in AM world or SSA. Why hasn't the "moral evolution" that would remove this, at best, lesser form of marriage\dysfunctional relationship?


Hopefully, you can grasp why you err here form my statement above? No ? Okay, let's move from science\tech\innovation for a mo'. Apart form the marriage example above, why does the AM and SSH still practice slavery, child marriage, subsistence pastoralism and a host of other practices that are not only of little social value, but actually deleterious in many instances?


This so called golden age is a myth. A contrived narrative, and doesn't bear scrutiny - even by an unlearned enemy . I'll give a broad overview.

The claim is that this golden age was from the 8th through the 14th century, yes? Islam started in the 7th century. So the claim is essentially within a 100 years, ee.slam, became a powehouse of scientific discovery and technological advancement - leading the world. And you believe that?

What was the mechanism by which ee.slam did this? Did the gee.hard.ests, armies pack science books which they distributed to conquered peoples ? That would explain why after each mose.slim tear.roar.wrist attack, science compendiums are found scattered at the scene .

Or perhaps once they overran all the native populations from the Copts to the Berbers to the Persians and others, they gave them strict instructions to ensure science and technology where advanced at all speed before they returned - or else!. Have you no mind of your own?

Cities like Baghdad, Cordoba and Cairo, were civilisational laggards, technologically backwards, until the advent of ee.slam. Ee.slam made all these breakthroughs and innovations, handed them off to the unbelieving West and then regressed back to the 7th century. Leaving no single scientific, technological or sociocultural artefacts that we can point to that advanced mankind? No evidence of the ME of which you speak.


I extract -

--------------

The Islamic Golden Age (roughly 8th to 14th century) was a powerhouse of intellectual activity. While Europe was in the Early Middle Ages, scholars in cities like Baghdad, Córdoba, and Cairo were synthesizing Greek, Indian, and Persian knowledge while making massive original breakthroughs. Here are the major subjects and innovations they contributed to the modern world:

1. Mathematics: The Language of Science: Perhaps the most visible legacy is in our numbers. Islamic mathematicians didn't just preserve math; they revolutionized how we calculate. Algebra: Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi wrote The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing. The word "Algebra" comes from his term al-jabr. He treated algebra as a distinct discipline for the first time.

Arabic Numerals & Zero: While the symbols originated in India, Islamic scholars refined the decimal system and the concept of zero (0), then introduced them to the West.

Algorithms: The word "algorithm" is actually a Latinized corruption of al-Khwarizmi’s name.

Trigonometry: Scholars like al-Battani isolated functions like sine, cosine, and tangent, which were essential for both astronomy and navigation.

2. Medicine: Systematic Healing - The Islamic world moved medicine from folklore to a rigorous, empirical science. The Canon of Medicine: Written by Ibn Sina (Avicenna), this remained the standard medical textbook in Europe and the Middle East for over 600 years. Hospitals (Bimaristans): They created the first modern hospitals with separate wards for different diseases, pharmacies, and even "internships" for medical students.

Surgery: Al-Zahrawi (Albucasis) is often called the "father of surgery." He invented over 200 surgical instruments—including the scalpel, bone saw, and forceps—many of which have designs that remain recognizable today.

Circulation: Ibn al-Nafis was the first to correctly describe pulmonary circulation (how blood moves through the heart and lungs).

3. Physics and Optics - Before this era, people believed the eyes emitted rays to "see" objects. Islamic scientists corrected this. Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen): Often called the first true scientist, he pioneered the scientific method, emphasizing repeatable experiments.

The Camera Obscura: Al-Haytham explained how light travels in straight lines and enters the eye, using the "dark room" (camera obscura) principle to prove it. This is the fundamental ancestor of the modern camera.

4. Chemistry (Alchemy): The word "Chemistry" comes from al-kimiya. Islamic scholars transitioned alchemy from a mystical pursuit of turning lead into gold into a practical science. Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber): He introduced systematic laboratory methods and identified many common acids (like sulfuric and nitric acid). Distillation: He perfected the process of distillation, which led to the creation of perfumes, medicines, and refined oils.

5. Engineering and Navigation - Practicality was at the heart of many innovations, especially regarding water and travel. Crankshafts and Water Pumps: Al-Jazari, a brilliant engineer, designed intricate clocks, hand-washing automata, and the crankshaft—one of the most important mechanical inventions in human history.

6. Higher Education Universities: The University of al-Qarawiyyin in Fez, Morocco (founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 AD), is recognized by UNESCO and Guinness World Records as the oldest continuously operating, degree-granting university in the world.
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I can differentiate betwixt history and marketing !


TV

In my opinion there was nothing like the Islamic golden age. Everything Islam touches ends up in retrogression

bayelsaowei:
Who sent the Iranians that protested against the Iranian government late last year and into this year?

Nobody.

They have been oppressed for decades and they are actively protesting. How do you lock someone up or kill them for not covering their hair.

Iran has the islamist who are the minority and the Parisians who are the majority. The people you saw making the human chains are the islamists

GracieX3:



MAGA delusion is worrying you.


Covid caused a SHORT TERM recession. Emphasis on short term.

Oh so now you agree there was a recession. COVID caused a much bigger recession. Please check the percentages before making your next reply