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SkengRay:
Confam My Guy

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you have moved post.

You said Jesus fulfilled it...


Show me where God planned it...

It should not be difficult for you.....
You really don't want to accept you are wasting your life believing a lie...

sonmvayina:
You said Jesus fulfilled it...


Show me where God planned it...

It should not be difficult for you.....
You really don't want to accept you are wasting your life believing a lie...

I thought you knew The Laws of Atonement or are you saying you don't?

Dtruthspeaker:
I thought you knew The Laws of Atonement or are you saying you don't?

Show me where God planned what Jesus fulfilled.
Of course I know. I have never seen where somebody, a human has to be killed before that can happen. It is usually a kosher animal less than 1 year old without blemish, which must be performed in a particular place in the temple and by a priest(somebody actually ordained for that kind of stuff), NEVER A ROMAN SOLDIER. I have never seen where a human is murdered to atone for sin. How will the person atone for the sin of "Thou shall not kill"? That he has broken.
I have seen where innocent people get executed, it happens due to human error. Ken saro wiwa for example....if a Ghanaian come to meet you to tell you Ken saro wiwa died for your sins.....which kind eye you go take look am? It does not even make any sense and you know it....but because you have invested your whole life on it..you still keep clutching on it. Cut your losses and move on. I did the same...

tctrills:
Bro, this is a very lazy effort from you.

Verses that contradict the idea that Jesus could have died for our sins.

Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin (Deuteronomy 24:16).
It did not say that God Himself can't die for our sins. And yes, your father a sinner like you is not qualified to die for your sins.

Where did God say he had a son or that he himself will come as man to be executed for the sins of humanity.
Which prophet preached about this plan. Because Amos 3:7 says God does nothing without revealing it to his servants the prophet.

Everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge (Jeremiah 31:30).
Please how does this verse contradict Christ's atonement? We still believe that every man will be punished for his sin, you wouldn't suffer for the sin of another. But we also know that forgiveness comes to us through the sacrifice of Christ. Remember, it was Christ that paid the price of sin not man but God.

It contradicts it because if you commits the sin , it is you that has to repair your relationship with God, somebody else doing it for you won't work. It is you by your sin has strained the relationship, how would somebody else dying restore that? You have to confess and forsake or provide the animal and you have to be there when the animal is slaughtered.

The one who sins is the one who will die (Ezekiel 18:4).
You are repeating the same thing and the above explanation covers these.
Remember, it was Jehovah (Jesus Christ) who gave these revelations to man. Also, if in the same bible, men used animals to stone for sin, how much better is the blood of God Himself.

If you sin, it is you that would be stoned to death or executed. Not somebody else, it is you that will serve the punishment. You can't commit a sin and somebody else will be killed. It does not happen with humans, it certainly will not happen with God. That is what Ezekiel is saying.

Comprende?

sonmvayina:
Show me where God planned what Jesus fulfilled.
Of course I know. I have never seen where somebody, a human has to be killed before that can happen. It is usually a kosher animal less than 1 year old without blemish, which must be performed in a particular place in the temple and by a priest(somebody actually ordained for that kind of stuff) . I have never seen where a human is murdered to atone for sin. How will the person atone for the sin of "Thou shall not kill"? That he has broken.
I have seen where innocent people get executed, it happens due to human error. Ken saro wiwa for example....if a Ghanaian come to meet you to tell you Ken saro wiwa died for your sins.....which kind eye you go take look am? It does not even make any sense and you know it....but because you have invested your whole life on it..you still keep clutching on it. Cut your losses and move on. I did the same...

Can you count how many times i have had this argument with you? My last count was 8 times and in all those times you went berserk when I answered you and you saw you had nothing reasonable to say again. So, i leave you with your issues especially as you yourself see that God demanded unblemished living things both birds and animals. And there is no unblemished human being so, no human qualifies. However, seeing how there was no priest worthy to carry out the sacrifices of Atonement, God offered Himself as an unblemished being Who became human as a sacrifice. Which God Accepted.

So, first no human is unblemished and Jesus is not a human being.

And secondly, it is God Who chooses what He shall accept and not you.

And Jesus was/is unblemished so go craz here

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Dtruthspeaker:
Can you count how many times i have had this argument with you? My last count was 8 times and in all those times you went berserk when I answered you and you saw you had nothing reasonable to say again. So, i leave you with your issues especially as you yourself see that God demanded unblemished living things both birds and animals. And there is no unblemished human being so, no human qualifies. However, seeing how there was no priest worthy to carry out the sacrifices of Atonement, God offered Himself as an unblemished being Who became human as a sacrifice. Which God Accepted.

So, first no human is unblemished and Jesus is not a human being.

And secondly, it is God Who chooses what He shall accept and not you.

And Jesus was/is unblemished so go craz here

Oh my God...
Please put me through,

So God came to atone to himself so that he can forgive us?
So God came or us to kill him as a sacrifice to him.
Does this makes sense at all....
When did God say he loved human sacrifice and planned this absurdity you posted.

Dtruthspeaker:
Can you count how many times i have had this argument with you? My last count was 8 times and in all those times you went berserk when I answered you and you saw you had nothing reasonable to say again. So, i leave you with your issues especially as you yourself see that God demanded unblemished living things both birds and animals. And there is no unblemished human being so, no human qualifies. However, seeing how there was no priest worthy to carry out the sacrifices of Atonement, God offered Himself as an unblemished being Who became human as a sacrifice. Which God Accepted.

So, first no human is unblemished and Jesus is not a human being.

And secondly, it is God Who chooses what He shall accept and not you.

And Jesus was/is unblemished so go craz here

You really need to see as si-car-atrist.
Whaaaaaat was that?

Show me where God planned it in the Tanakh. I have been waiting.

sonmvayina:
You really need to see as si-car-atrist.
Whaaaaaat was that?

Show me where God planned it in the Tanakh. I have been waiting.

See it. Even when i used what you yourself have said you are still in craz denial. Anyway, i knew already

sonmvayina:
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Oh my God...
Please put me through,

So God came to atone to himself so that he can forgive us?
So God came or us to kill him as a sacrifice to him.
Does this makes sense at all....
When did God say he loved human sacrifice and planned this absurdity you posted.

Did you not read that God has a Father Who, Commanded Him to create heaven and earth and gave it to Him?

And is it not God's Rights to choose to sacrifice one His Life for us after all He is eternal life?

Keep going craz dictating to God what He should accept

Where did God say he had a son or that he himself will come as man to be executed for the sins of humanity.
Which prophet preached about this plan. Because Amos 3:7 says God does nothing without revealing it to his servants the prophet.

Good question. God revealed the coming of His Son to several prophets of old. The most notable is Isaiah.
Isaiah 53:4-5: "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows... But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."
Isaiah 53:10: "Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him... when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin.

It contradicts it because if you commits the sin , it is you that has to repair your relationship with God, somebody else doing it for you won't work. It is you by your sin has strained the relationship, how would somebody else dying restore that? You have to confess and forsake or provide the animal and you have to be there when the animal is slaughtered.
Wrong. It is you that has to repent and God then forgives you. And He is able to forgive because He has paid the price of your sin. So this is not taking away your personal responsibility. Zero contradiction.


If you sin, it is you that would be stoned to death or executed. Not somebody else, it is you that will serve the punishment. You can't commit a sin and somebody else will be killed. It does not happen with humans, it certainly will not happen with God. That is what Ezekiel is saying.
Yes, if you sin you will face the punishment but if you repent you will be forgiven because God Himself has taken upon Himself your sin.

I believe you understand it better now.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not read that God has a Father Who, Commanded Him to create heaven and earth and gave it to Him?

And is it not God's Rights to choose to sacrifice one His Life for us after all He is eternal life?

Keep going craz dictating to God what He should accept

When and where did all these things happen?
Am just dumbfounded. Ha, so human being mind can really travel this far....see Isaiah 45:5
"I am the Lord, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God.
I will strengthen you,
though you have not acknowledged me,"


Does this sound like somebody who handed to his son?

Dtruthspeaker:
See it. Even when i used what you yourself have said you are still in craz denial. Anyway, i knew already

Which prophet reported it....I need book, chapter and verses......

All this sick things coming out of your mind really amaze me

tctrills:
Bro, this is a very lazy effort from you.

Verses that contradict the idea that Jesus could have died for our sins.

Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin (Deuteronomy 24:16).
It did not say that God Himself can't die for our sins. And yes, your father a sinner like you is not qualified to die for your sins.

Everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge (Jeremiah 31:30).
Please how does this verse contradict Christ's atonement? We still believe that every man will be punished for his sin, you wouldn't suffer for the sin of another. But we also know that forgiveness comes to us through the sacrifice of Christ. Remember, it was Christ that paid the price of sin not man but God.

The one who sins is the one who will die (Ezekiel 18:4).
You are repeating the same thing and the above explanation covers these.
Remember, it was Jehovah (Jesus Christ) who gave these revelations to man. Also, if in the same bible, men used animals to stone for sin, how much better is the blood of God Himself.

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You are very funny. Each of the verses I cited clearly states that it is the very person that sins that must bear the punishment and no one else .

DeepSight:
Tctrills,

I am sorry to say but this is a very watery and weak revert.



How can you magisterially and imperially proclaim this? Death is a factor that applies to living things in the physical world. Your bible however insists that it is the result of sin. I ask again if animals sin. On what grounds do you exempt animals from this quagmire?



Dont be absurd.



One can repent without believing in the ritual human sacrifice teaching which says that the death of Christ is what saves one.



Yes - and repentance is not dependent on any belief in blood sacrifice. Repentance involve genuine contrition, seeking the forgiveness of God and those hurt and a determination to change one's ways.



This is pagan.


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Then we can only conclude that scripture contradicts itself in this matter.

I just want to make a few clarifications to further enhance your understanding. And I believe Tctrills would give you the most balanced teachings on these. There are several things you do not know, yet you make hasty conclusions based on half knowledge.

1. The wages of sin is death: The death here does not refer to the physical death but to a type of death called "the second death". This death is an eternal separation from God. It is the real death because God created man originally for fellowship. Separation from God eternally is death as far as the Bible is concerned.

That's why, those who are forgiven and blood washed by Christ do not partake of the second death. Those who are not forgiven and are not washed are partakers of this death because it is their wage. Both the righteous and sinner die, but only the sinner dies the second death.

Revelation 21:8

"But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

2. Jesus willingly gave Himself: Yes, He even rebuked Peter when he was praying against His crucification. And Jesus said it very clearly:

John 10:18

"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

He took it up again in 3 days.

He even said "Greater love has no man than this, that a man should lay down His life for His friends."

He constantly told the crowd in parable, "Destroy this temple, and I'll raise it up in three days".

Even in the Gethsemane prayer, He said "not as I will but Thy will be done"

When Peter cut off the ear of the servant of the high priest when they came to arrest Him, He told him, "Put your sword in its sheath. The cup that the Father has given me, shall I not drink it? How then shall the Scriptures be fulfilled?"

Jesus was the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:. God knew man was going to fall, Jesus was the plan B for man's restoration back to God. John the Baptist knew this. He called Him "The Lamb of God which takes away the sins of the world."

An animal was a propitiation for the sins of the whole nation of Israel according to the law of Moses. That animal was a type of the real Lamb that would propitiate the sins of the whole world once, and for all eternity.

Abel's blood spoke vengeance after Abel was killed. Jesus' blood speaks forgiveness and mercy till today.

There are many things you ought to know before it is too late.

FxMasterz:
I just want to make a few clarifications to further enhance your understanding. And I believe Tctrills would give you the most balanced teachings on these. There are several things you do not know, yet you make hasty conclusions based on half knowledge.

1. The wages of sin is death: The death here does not refer to the physical death but to a type of death called "the second death". This death is an eternal separation from God. It is the real death because God created man originally for fellowship. Separation from God eternally is death as far as the Bible is concerned.

That's why, those who are forgiven and blood washed by Christ do not partake of the second death. Those who are not forgiven and are not washed are partakers of this death because it is their wage. Both the righteous and sinner die, but only the sinner dies the second death.

Revelation 21:8

"But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

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You are only looking for excuses and escape routes. But let us leave this.

2. Jesus willingly gave Himself: Yes, He even rebuked Peter when he was praying against His crucification. And Jesus said it very clearly:

John 10:18

"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

He took it up again in 3 days.

He even said "Greater love has no man than this, that a man should lay down His life for His friends."

He constantly told the crowd in parable, "Destroy this temple, and I'll raise it up in three days".

Even in the Gethsemane prayer, He said "not as I will but Thy will be done"

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If it was his will, why did he pray for the cup to pass over him and then said not his will but the will of the father should be done?

DeepSight:
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You are very funny. Each of the verses I cited clearly states that it is the very person that sins that must bear the punishment and no one else .

You are right, we will be punished for our own sins if we don't repent. But the verses you quoted never said that God doesn't forgive sin. God has the power to clean our sins and that comes through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Here, God Himself paid the price of all sin.
So let's put all the information together.
No other person will be punished for your sin.
But repentance and forgiveness is granted through the atonement of God Himself for sin.
If you don't repent, the atonement has no effect on you.
These summaries the bible teaches.
If you put the verses you quoted in context with other verses in the bible, this is where you will arrive at.

DeepSight:
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You are only looking for excuses and escape routes. But let us leave this.

I deliberately quoted scriptures and gave you a Google AI screenshot because I know how deeply ignorant you are, yet you still reject the truth. That's a basic Christian doctrine. Very fundamental. Tomorrow, you'll come and tell me that you too have read the Bible extensively.

As for me, I'm not even here to argue with you. I just wanted to clarify things.

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If it was his will, why did he pray for the cup to pass over him and then said not his will but the will of the father should be done?

Because, He wanted us to know that even though He was not born of man, the experience wasn't an easy one for Him. He wanted us to know the extent of His agony and the excruciating pains The had to go through, and the depth of His love for us. If He hadn't done that, many of us would think He escaped pains because He was supernaturally enabled and made for the task.

The Gethsemane prayers makes us appreciate His sacrifice and know truly that He really suffered. Otherwise, being the Son of God, we'll think He didn't feel any pain.

Do you know what Jesus answered Pilate when he was boasting that he has the power to release Jesus? Jesus replied him that Pilate can do nothing for, or against Him except it was given him from above. I want you to go and think on that.

tctrills:
You are right, we will be punished for our own sins if we don't repent. But the verses you quoted never said that God doesn't forgive sin. God has the power to clean our sins and that comes through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Here, God Himself paid the price of all sin.
So let's put all the information together.
No other person will be punished for your sin.
But repentance and forgiveness is granted through the atonement of God Himself for sin.
If you don't repent, the atonement has no effect on you.
These summaries the bible teaches.
If you put the verses you quoted in context with other verses in the bible, this is where you will arrive at.

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I know you see the contradiction so I will leave it and move on to other issues.

FxMasterz:
I deliberately quoted scriptures and gave you a Google AI screenshot because I know how deeply ignorant you are, yet you still reject the truth. That's a basic Christian doctrine. Very fundamental. Tomorrow, you'll come and tell me that you too have read the Bible extensively.

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There are many things in the Bible I know are in the Bible but I still believe are false.

But as regards you claiming that the death referred to in the Garden of Eden was the second death of Revelation, that is very debatable. I will not even go into the fact that that death promised in the Garden was said to be one that would happen in the very day that they ate the fruit. Which turned out not to be the case.

If anything, the Serpent spoke the truth, saying that they would not die but become like God, knowing good and evil, which is exactly what happened.

Because, He wanted us to know that even though He was not born of man, the experience wasn't an easy one for Him. He wanted us to know the extent of His agony and the excruciating pains The had to go through, and the depth of His love for us. If He hadn't done that, many of us would think He escaped pains because He was supernaturally enabled and made for the task.

The Gethsemane prayers makes us appreciate His sacrifice and know truly that He really suffered. Otherwise, being the Son of God, we'll think He didn't feel any pain.

Do you know what Jesus answered Pilate when he was boasting that he has the power to release Jesus? Jesus replied him that Pilate can do nothing for, or against Him except it was given him from above. I want you to go and think on that.

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No amount of grammar can wish away the fact that he prayed for the cup to pass over his head. In short, he didnt want it. Certainly not at the point of that prayer.

Even if you show other verses where he says it was his will, then that discloses contradictions.

And if we say that it was not contradictory, but just an expression of his human fear, you really must interrogate again the idea that he is also God.

DeepSight:
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I know you see the contradiction so I will leave it and move on to other issues.

I don't know what you think I see. But seen you can't explain let's leave it.

The bible makes it clear that man is not able to pay for so and only God has such power. If that is a contradiction to you, no one can help you.

FxMasterz:
I just want to make a few clarifications to further enhance your understanding. And I believe Tctrills would give you the most balanced teachings on these. There are several things you do not know, yet you make hasty conclusions based on half knowledge.

1. The wages of sin is death: The death here does not refer to the physical death but to a type of death called "the second death". This death is an eternal separation from God. It is the real death because God created man originally for fellowship. Separation from God eternally is death as far as the Bible is concerned.

That's why, those who are forgiven and blood washed by Christ do not partake of the second death. Those who are not forgiven and are not washed are partakers of this death because it is their wage. Both the righteous and sinner die, but only the sinner dies the second death.

Revelation 21:8

"But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

2. Jesus willingly gave Himself: Yes, He even rebuked Peter when he was praying against His crucification. And Jesus said it very clearly:

John 10:18

"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

He took it up again in 3 days.

He even said "Greater love has no man than this, that a man should lay down His life for His friends."

He constantly told the crowd in parable, "Destroy this temple, and I'll raise it up in three days".

Even in the Gethsemane prayer, He said "not as I will but Thy will be done"

When Peter cut off the ear of the servant of the high priest when they came to arrest Him, He told him, "Put your sword in its sheath. The cup that the Father has given me, shall I not drink it? How then shall the Scriptures be fulfilled?"

Jesus was the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:. God knew man was going to fall, Jesus was the plan B for man's restoration back to God. John the Baptist knew this. He called Him "The Lamb of God which takes away the sins of the world."

An animal was a propitiation for the sins of the whole nation of Israel according to the law of Moses. That animal was a type of the real Lamb that would propitiate the sins of the whole world once, and for all eternity.

Abel's blood spoke vengeance after Abel was killed. Jesus' blood speaks forgiveness and mercy till today.

There are many things you ought to know before it is too late.

I think our good friend Deepsight is only looking for a got you moment nothing more
He completely understands your explanation on the topic. No need to press further.

Deepsight let's go to the next subject.

tctrills:
I think our good friend Deepsight is only looking for a got you moment nothing more
He completely understands your explanation on the topic. No need to press further.

Deepsight let's go to the next subject.

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These were the other issues I raise -

- The doctrine of the Trinity which is blasphemous

- The teaching of eternal hell fire which is barbaric

- The ritual of communion which is negatively pagan in essence, to the extent that it is said to be a representation of eating human flesh and drinking human blood

- The teaching that you must love Jesus more than you love your parents

- The doctrine of inherited sin, which casts blame on the innocent

Let us start with the last.

Going by the last three verses I gave you, there is even a contradiction there. One of those verses specifically said that the child shall not bear the sin of the father. How does this not contradict the doctrine of inherited original sin. Besides such a doctrine is inherently unjust.

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DeepSight:
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These were the other issues I raise -

- The doctrine of the Trinity which is blasphemous

- The teaching of eternal hell fire which is barbaric

- The ritual of communion which is negatively pagan in essence, to the extent that it is said to be a representation of eating human flesh and drinking human blood

- The teaching that you must love Jesus more than you love your parents

- The doctrine of inherited sin, which casts blame on the innocent

Let us start with the last.

Going by the last three verses I gave you, there is even a contradiction there. One of those verses specifically said that the child shall not bear the sin of the father. How does this not contradict the doctrine of inherited original sin. Besides such a doctrine is inherently unjust.

We agree that a Child shall not bear the Sins of his father the bible taught that clearly but are you also saying that the bible taught that it is wrong for God to bear the sins of the world?
Maybe I am not understanding you. As Christians we know that we will be punished for our sins unless we repent. Please explain yourself clearly.

Again, do not conflict the teachings oc different churches with the bible truths. Let's look to the bible not the churches for answers

You also spoke about loving God more than your parents.
So let me ask based on common sense, who would you love more, someone who can only be your parent for at best 100 years or someone who is and remains your parent for all eternity?

tctrills:
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We agree that a Child shall not bear the Sins of his father the bible taught that clearly but are you also saying that the bible taught that it is wrong for God to bear the sins of the world?
Maybe I am not understanding you. As Christians we know that we will be punished for our sins unless we repent. Please explain yourself clearly.

Again, do not conflict the teachings oc different churches with the bible truths. Let's look to the bible not the churches for answers

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I am asking about original sin, Adamic sin. Why is it inherited.

DeepSight:
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I am asking about original sin, Adamic sin. Why is it inherited.

No man will be punished for the sins of Adam. We will be judged and punished for our sins.
Where is it written that we will be punished for Adam's sins.
I must add that Jesus Christ died and rose to ensure that no one suffers for Adam's actions

tctrills:
No man will be punished for the sins of Adam. We will be judged and punished for our sins.
Where is it written that we will be punished for Adam's sins.
I must add that Jesus Christ died and rose to ensure that no one suffers for Adam's actions

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You are contradicting yourself. If Adams sin was not inherited then Jesus would not have to die. Christian doctrine is that Adamic sin was inherited.

Besides, it is clear that sin was inherited -

​Romans 5:12: "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—"

​Romans 5:18–19: "Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous."
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​1 Corinthians 15:21-22: "For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive."

​Psalm 51:5: "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Finally the Bible contradicts itself by teaching that God avenges the sin of the father unto his descendants.

(Exodus 34:6–7)

​"The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God... maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation."

FxMasterz

This verse shows that you are wrong on the second death being what was referred to in the Garden of Eden.

Romans 5:12: "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—"

DeepSight:
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You are contradicting yourself. If Adams sin was not inherited then Jesus would not have to die. Christian doctrine is that Adamic sin was inherited.

Besides, it is clear that sin was inherited -

​Romans 5:12: "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—"

​Romans 5:18–19: "Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous."
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​1 Corinthians 15:21-22: "For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive."

​Psalm 51:5: "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Finally the Bible contradicts itself by teaching that God avenges the sin of the father unto his descendants.

(Exodus 34:6–7)

​"The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God... maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation."

Calm down
One of the reasons Christ died was to make sure no one gets to suffer for Adam's sins hence the justice of God, we are punished only for our sins.
If Christ didn't come, we would have died and not resurrected because of the action of Adam but now that's not a problem so what exactly are you complaining about?

If Christ did not come, then your argument will be right, we would suffer for Adam's sin but now He has come, you are still complaining. Please explain yourself.

Let me summarise your argument.
God commanded that no one will suffer for the sins of their fathers. God provided a plan to make that possible through Jesus Christ but somehow according to you, it is not good enough.

DeepSight:
FxMasterz

This verse shows that you are wrong on the second death being what was referred to in the Garden of Eden.

Romans 5:12: "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—"

I had wanted to quote this verse to further buttress my point. I never knew you'll misinterpret it.

Yes, the death meant here is the natural death. But, look at that verse very well. It says this death comes to ALL MEN.

Meanwhile, the wages of sin do not come to All Men. It's only for sinners. Or, you don't understand what wages are? Physical death is not a wage at all in Christian doctrine.

The wages are paid during judgment. Not before. The judgement gives the second death as wages for sin, and eternal life as wages for righteousness.

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.

You fist need to understand that wages are not paid at the point of physical death but at the point of judgement. Without the judgement , the wages cannot be given.

Jesus said "I come quickly, and my reward/wages is with me to give to every man according as his works shall be." This is the judgement.

tctrills:
I think our good friend Deepsight is only looking for a got you moment nothing more
He completely understands your explanation on the topic. No need to press further.

Deepsight let's go to the next subject.

Thanks for the feedback brother.

God bless you for this good work.

FxMasterz:
Thanks for the feedback brother.

God bless you for this good work.

You are most welcome