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budaatum:
Same argument about APC and Tinubu whom 10% voted for out of the 25% who voted while 75% sat in their asses and are now wailing..

I doubt USAnians would be that complacent.

Not sure Tinubu even legally won.

But in the US it is a structural problem.
The electoral college gives more representation to smaller states.
California, population ~40 million, has 54 electoral votes and has 2 senatorial votes
Massachusetts, population ~8 million, has 10 electoral votes and has 2 senatorial votes
Wyoming, populations 540 thousand, has 3 electoral votes and has 2 senatorial votes.

DeepSight:
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Again, this is ahistorical and illiterate. You can read up even in the best Encyclopedias -

https://www.britannica.com/video/achievements-world-mosque-Islamic-Cordoba-Spain-construction/-194004

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/300077166_The_Islamic_Golden_Age_A_Story_of_the_Triumph_of_the_Islamic_Civilization

Its not a matter of your irrelevant opinion. Its a matter of historical record.

You can just as well declare that by your opinion, there were no middle ages and no renaissance.

I read the links. The first is essentially meaningless - building a mosque is not evidence of scientific or technological advancement.
Do you actually read the links. Are you able to make arguments of your own

Extract from the second

<sup>Many cultures and societies contributed to the flowering of Islam’s Golden Age. Central among them were the Persians, the predecessor people of modern Iran. Persians were the main force behind the creation of the Abbasid Dynasty (750 CE-1258 CE), one of the most culturally sophisticated societies that gave birth to the Golden Age. The Berbers of North Africa, a non-Arabic population, played a major role in the emergence of the Golden Age as did the Fatimid Dynasty (909 CE –1171 CE ) which were contemporaneous with the Abbasids. The Andalusian Dynasties (711 CE to 1492 CE) of the Iberian Peninsula (Spain and Portugal) also played a prominent role in the emergence of the Golden Age. Indeed, the architectural achievements of the Andalusian dynasties made some of the most remarkable, longest lasting, and internationally recognized Islamic contributions even today

Islam’s Golden Age, however, was not just the outcome of Islamic achievements. Indeed, the Islamic empires of the period included large numbers of Jews, Christians, Hindus, and even Chinese who made significant and lasting contributions to Islamic socio-cultural-scientific achievements. All worked together in relative harmony to realize the enormous intellectual, scientific, technological, architectural, and other contributions that formed the basis of the what now is called the Islamic Golden Age. The work of the ancients, but especially that of the Greeks and Romans, also were respected during the dynasties of the Golden Age and contributed, too, to Islamic philosophy and scientific achievements. Muslims, in turn, preserved the ancient texts of these scholars and in doing so made an enormous contribution to both Islamic and world intellectual heritage. Greek and Roman contributions to Islamic development were made possible through the translation of Greek, Roman, Aramaic, and other texts in Arabic—the functioning Lingua Franca of the period.</sup>

Islam conquers, converts and claims the historical progress and ongoing achievements of conquered peoples and territories as its own.


This from what is a certain sponsored piece. Another excerpt.

Many scholars believe that, even today, Muslims are awaiting the rebirth of its Golden Age and, through it, the resurgence of Islam as one of the world’s renewed cultural and religious influences. Such a hoped for outcome is a collective aspiration of Muslims and transcends linguistic, cultural, and even ethnic differences

Please tell me in which reality . The only care of ee.slam is to conquer and subjugate the whole world. At which point they will casually re-label all advances as ee.slam.meek in origin. But ultimately regress back to it's inherent savagery. Same 'ole, same 'ole.

DeepSight:
The development of mankind is not tied to religions in this way. Nonetheless, if you are consistent, please produce one good thing in same terms which was new and solely as a result of Christianity.

All advanced scientific discovery and technological innovation came from and continues to come from historically JC nations - the phone, TV, computers, satellites, motor vehicles, planes etc.

The JC ethos see's all men as created in the image of God. Fostering equality and individual liberties. This drives the pursuit of learning and research, leading to advancement and progress. It demonstrates Gods order and rationality in creation, engendering the pursuit rational inquiry and scientific discovery. Only the culture that arises out of this this ethos has proven capable of doing that. Nothng from the MAW or SSA.

DeepSight:
Christianity was all these things for a long time. Its not that long ago that the Church supervised the witch burnings of hundreds of thousands of women, and hung or persecuted scientists such as Giordano Bruno and Galileo.

Nope. Christianity was never any f those things. Christianity was abused, or at best misinterpreted by some, but when practised in truth delivers prosperity and well-being.

Till date, there are some incorrectly exegeted texts and downright non-scriptural practices. Tithing for example. But that is not Christianity.

It's interesting how the one thing no historically JC country or contemporary community practices or makes a case for slavery. It's always been the opposite when the text is read and applied as intended. Christianity which you dishonestly claim advocates slavery, has it nowhere in view.
Unlike the MAW and SSA.

Kiss the truth baybay


TV

So those who think I follow Trump blindly , I have listened to and read articles by all the following
They made me hate Obama and liberals who side with Muslim terrorists.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Apostate)I
bn Warraq (Apostate)
Hamed Abdel-Samad (Apostate)
Taslima Nasrin (Apostate)
Salman Rushdie (Apostate)
Wafa Sultan (Apostate)
Yasmine Mohammed (Apostate)
Nonie Darwish (Apostate)
Sarah Haider (Apostate)
Douglas Murray
Robert Spencer
Pameka Geller
David Woods
Amir an-Nour ( Prince of Peace YouTube channel)

I can add quite a number of other authorities.
So I've learnt Islam from those who left it and also from other scholars .
When I'm Interested in a subject I delve deep into it's heart.

basilico:
Haha haha.
Assault vehicles, assault trucks , assault knives, assault folks 9/11

In a nutshell, ee.slam is an assault. On humanity, but more insidiously on Christianity, denying The Lord, humanity' sole hope.


TV

Deepsight is well answered.
Subjugation is what led to grand mosques built on top of other shrines. Don't forget they was built with slave labour who were treated in the most degrading way possible.

Defining Retrospective Appropriation as the process where a dominant power rebrands the existing achievements of a conquered people as "theirs" to justify their superiority or "civilizing" mission.
This best explains most Muslim golden age achievements.

TV01:
I read the links. The first is essentially meaningless - building a mosque is not evidence of scientific or technological advancement.

Extract from the second

<sup>Many cultures and societies contributed to the flowering of Islam’s Golden Age. Central among them were the Persians, the predecessor people of modern Iran. Persians were the main force behind the creation of the Abbasid Dynasty (750 CE-1258 CE), one of the most culturally sophisticated societies that gave birth to the Golden Age. The Berbers of North Africa, a non-Arabic population, played a major role in the emergence of the Golden Age as did the Fatimid Dynasty (909 CE –1171 CE ) which were contemporaneous with the Abbasids. The Andalusian Dynasties (711 CE to 1492 CE) of the Iberian Peninsula (Spain and Portugal) also played a prominent role in the emergence of the Golden Age. Indeed, the architectural achievements of the Andalusian dynasties made some of the most remarkable, longest lasting, and internationally recognized Islamic contributions even today

Islam’s Golden Age, however, was not just the outcome of Islamic achievements. Indeed, the Islamic empires of the period included large numbers of Jews, Christians, Hindus, and even Chinese who made significant and lasting contributions to Islamic socio-cultural-scientific achievements. All worked together in relative harmony to realize the enormous intellectual, scientific, technological, architectural, and other contributions that formed the basis of the what now is called the Islamic Golden Age. The work of the ancients, but especially that of the Greeks and Romans, also were respected during the dynasties of the Golden Age and contributed, too, to Islamic philosophy and scientific achievements. Muslims, in turn, preserved the ancient texts of these scholars and in doing so made an enormous contribution to both Islamic and world intellectual heritage. Greek and Roman contributions to Islamic development were made possible through the translation of Greek, Roman, Aramaic, and other texts in Arabic—the functioning Lingua Franca of the period.</sup>

Islam conquers, converts and claims the historical progress and ongoing achievements of conquered peoples and territories as its own.


This from what is a certain sponsored piece. Another excerpt.

Many scholars believe that, even today, Muslims are awaiting the rebirth of its Golden Age and, through it, the resurgence of Islam as one of the world’s renewed cultural and religious influences. Such a hoped for outcome is a collective aspiration of Muslims and transcends linguistic, cultural, and even ethnic differences

Please tell me in which reality . The only care of ee.slam is to conquer and subjugate the whole world. At which point they will casually re-label all advances as ee.slam.meek in origin. But ultimately regress back to it's inherent savagery. Same 'ole, same 'ole.



All advanced scientific discovery and technological innovation came from and continues to come from historically JC nations - the phone, TV, computers, satellites, motor vehicles, planes etc.

The JC ethos see's all men as created in the image of God. Fostering equality and individual liberties. This drives the pursuit of learning and research, leading to advancement and progress. It demonstrates Gods order and rationality in creation, engendering the pursuit rational inquiry and scientific discovery. Only the culture that arises out of this this ethos has proven capable of doing that. Nothng from the MAW or SSA.


Nope. Christianity was never any f those things. Christianity was abused, or at best misinterpreted by some, but when practised in truth delivers prosperity and well-being.

Till date, there are some incorrectly exegeted texts and downright non-scriptural practices. Tithing for example. But that is not Christianity.

It's interesting how the one thing no historically JC country or contemporary community practices or makes a case for slavery. It's always been the opposite when the text is read and applied as intended. Christianity which you dishonestly claim advocates slavery, has it nowhere in view.
Unlike the MAW and SSA.

Kiss the truth baybay


TV

basilico:
When I'm Interested in a subject I delve deep into it's heart.

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Therefore I can assume you have read the Quran and the Hadiths?

basilico:
Deepsight is well answered.
Subjugation is what led to grand mosques built on top of other shrines. Don't forget they was built with slave labour who were treated in the most degrading way possible.

Defining Retrospective Appropriation as the process where a dominant power rebrands the existing achievements of a conquered people as "theirs" to justify their superiority or "civilizing" mission.
This best explains most Muslim golden age achievements.

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What he wrote was lamentable ignorant gibberish.

Do you support his position that only people of Judeo Christian backgrounds ever invented anything?

IjeBos:
Not sure Tinubu even legally won.

But in the US it is a structural problem.
The electoral college gives more representation to smaller states.
California, population ~40 million, has 54 electoral votes and has 2 senatorial votes
Massachusetts, population ~8 million, has 10 electoral votes and has 2 senatorial votes
Wyoming, populations 540 thousand, has 3 electoral votes and has 2 senatorial votes.

Trump won the electoral college and the popular votes

So what's the purpose of your tears

DeepSight:
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Therefore I can assume you have read the Quran and the Hadiths?

I've read relevant parts and quotes , mostly where authors made a claim, were challenged by the likes of Dr Zakir Naik and any prominent Muslim. The best debates are with that Prince of Peace YouTube channel who is a native Quran speaker ,thus can't be written off by the usual excuses of "Oh you don't understand classical Arabic, the Commands were abrogated , etc.
I've preferred quotations on what's in those sahih hadeeths and especially what Muslims say when infidels are not listening.

I can guess where you are leading to........
Do you know the 5 prayers curse non Muslims every day?

DeepSight:
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What he wrote was lamentable ignorant gibberish.

Do you support his position that only people of Judeo Christian backgrounds ever invented anything?

He is 100% correct. If he said all inventions were by by Judeo Xtianity cultures he is wrong on the inventions of suicide vests and suicide kamikaze drones for example . Those are pure Muslim inventions.

Deepsight. My very first post here as basilico is me asking Muslims if We should use the hadeeths or the Quran when debating them. If you quoted the hadeeths they would say oh it's not saheeh ( authentic ) you need to know Arabic ,you need to understand classical Arabic if you do ,then finally only the Quran is true ,.... They had like a list of 19 ways to shut you down.
They all chickened out after I showed them that Islam without hadeeths is incomplete. That was in 2013

By then quite a number of muslims used to post a lot on the Christian section,it was a very lively debate sub forum , until they decided to push all Islam debate questions into the Islam section Then made you literally recite the shahada before posting there .
We would post topics in the Christian section ,a mod would move it to the Islam section and kill it

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raumdeuter:
Why will I need to learn from Trump when I have my own father t teach me? Did you look to your father for learning or from Kieir Stermer

I learned from my father and my mother, and from friends and the people we engaged with and their thoughts about them which they shared with me being we were that close, and at those who were around me like my uncles and aunties and neighbours and their opinions and conduct and even of those I read about in books and watched on telly.

I'd sit with my father and others and listen to news and read the paper and we'd state our opinions of what we read and heard and watched, and I can just about imagine what he'd teach child me watching today by his own behaviour and conduct and opinions.

Some 'fathers' behaved in ways I have trained myself to behave even on forums where even my gender confuses some not to talk of knowing whom I am, and from some I learnt most definitely not to emulate because my father and mother were not emulating or voting for such people.

Sum of it is, children learn from what their parents condone. And you condone dump a lot then excuse his bad behaviour as "not your morality compass", ignoring the fact your own morals might compass others or you don't care where it compasses or can't compass anywhere else.

I'm wondering.

GloriousGbola:
with all their sanctimony - republicans do it best - from madam throat goat to hanty slotus to madam fk plane
democrats dey learn work for republican ashawo matter

madam throat goat
damn! i love that name, i'll set up an ai rock band with that name asap.

basilico:
Budaatum has already liked your post 😃😃😃😃😃

P/S: You might notice less and less of your posts liked and shared.

Abeg sleep

budaatum:
I learned from my father and my mother, and from friends and the people we engaged with and their thoughts about them which they shared with me being we were that close, and at those who were around me like my uncles and aunties and neighbours and their opinions and conduct and even of those I read about in books and watched on telly.

I'd sit with my father and others and listen to news and read the paper and we'd state our opinions of what we read and heard and watched, and I can just about imagine what he'd teach child me watching today by his own behaviour and conduct and opinions.

Some 'fathers' behaved in ways I have trained myself to behave even on forums where even my gender confuses some not to talk of knowing whom I am, and from some I learnt most definitely not to emulate because my father and mother were not emulating or voting for such people.

Sum of it is, children learn from what their parents condone. And you condone dump a lot then excuse his bad behaviour as "not your morality compass", ignoring the fact your own morals might compass others or you don't care where it compasses or can't compass anywhere else.

I'm wondering.

S you learned from your parents, father and mother, In all your write up you didnt tell me you learned from Keir Starmer

All you have written shows why parent, Father and mother should teach their children and not depend on outsiders to teach them

GloriousGbola:
with all their sanctimony - republicans do it best - from madam throat goat to hanty slotus to madam fk plane
democrats dey learn work for republican ashawo matter

Damn see sweet names, madam fvk plane, hanty slotus
which one will i choose now

budaatum:
I learned from my father and my mother, and from friends and the people we engaged with and their thoughts about them which they shared with me being we were that close, and at those who were around me like my uncles and aunties and neighbours and their opinions and conduct and even of those I read about in books and watched on telly.

I'd sit with my father and others and listen to news and read the paper and we'd state our opinions of what we read and heard and watched, and I can just about imagine what he'd teach child me watching today by his own behaviour and conduct and opinions.

Some 'fathers' behaved in ways I have trained myself to behave even on forums where even my gender confuses some not to talk of knowing whom I am, and from some I learnt most definitely not to emulate because my father and mother were not emulating or voting for such people.

Sum of it is, children learn from what their parents condone. And you condone dump a lot then excuse his bad behaviour as "not your morality compass", ignoring the fact your own morals might compass others or you don't care where it compasses or can't compass anywhere else.

I'm wondering.

Like and share every raumdeuter post so he can start agreeing with you😀😀😀😀
Or if you have money you can bribe him the way prideofLincoln wa accused of😀😀😀

You called me a cretin. Remember.

Obrigardo:
There's a lady who accused the escort of holding her hostage for 4 months under constant torture. She was once her close friend. I can't find the tweet again.
Everything is so bad with the tyrant rapist child sexual predator trump that they are diverting the attention from the war back to epstein files.

I don't know if to laugh cool or laugh out like i'm insane

I found her, Amanda Ungaro

https://x.com/AmandaUngaroA/status/2042713424233206099?s=20

Oboy this tyrant trump family is one disgusting self-serving evils, all of them, no one is in their right mind, down to kai, the gran daughter who is now looking like laura loomer

raumdeuter:
S you learned from your parents, father and mother, In all your write up you didnt tell me you learned from Keir Starmer

All you have written shows why parent, Father and mother should teach their children and not depend on outsiders to teach them

Sum of it is, children learn from what their parents condone. And you condone dump a lot then excuse his bad behaviour as "not your morality compass", ignoring the fact your own morals might compass others or you don't care where it compasses or can't compass anywhere else.

basilico:
Like and share every raumdeuter post so he can start agreeing with you😀😀😀😀
Or if you have money you can bribe him the way prideofLincoln wa accused of😀😀😀

You called me a cretin. Remember.

That your maga cultist folk will be breaking his head that he can't quote me to remind me of what i said 3 years ago, while the world is burning ontop his bald head.
He can't afford food or gas, but his devotion to the tyrant child sexual predator can't make him stop thinking about me, like i own his life.

budaatum:
Sum of it is, children learn from what their parents condone. And you condone dump a lot then excuse his bad behaviour as "not your morality compass", ignoring the fact your own morals might compass others or you don't care where it compasses or can't compass anywhere else.

Summary of this is that Parents should stay at home and train their children and not depend on people they have never met and will never meet to train their kids

Did Keir Starmer train you?

Obrigardo:
I found her, Amanda Ungaro

https://x.com/AmandaUngaroA/status/2042713424233206099?s=20

Oboy this tyrant trump family is one disgusting self-serving evils, all of them, no one is in their right mind, down to kai, the gran daughter who is now looking like laura loomer

Please answer me. Why should Obama demand every Obamacare mandate should include free $20,000 annual worth of PrEP pills or injections to stop you getting AIDS/ HIV.
Doesn't it encourage rapists to go on without fear of contracting HIV?
Or encourage prostitution.
I support Trump because I hate Obama the terrorist sympathiser and enabler.

Today I've brought my receipts as to why I support Trump and pointed out exactly how Obama enabled debauchery and moral depravity.

IjeBos:
Called it.
John Roberts should be proud. He's created a King.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-promises-mass-pardons-to-staff-before-leaving-office-d7274d32

He learned from Biden,

raumdeuter:
Summary of this is that Parents should stay at home and train their children and not depend on people they have never met and will never meet to train their kids

Did Keir Starmer train you?

My father did not sit their condoning Keir Starmer's behaviour so it or he was not on my curricula like dump is ion yours and whom you excuse by claiming he is not a moral compass.

budaatum:
My father did not sit their condoning Keir Starmer's behaviour so it or he was not on my curricula like dump is ion yours and whom you excuse by claiming he is not a moral compass.

So your father had time for you to teach you and not contract out your training to Keir Starmer? That is good to know

That is how the world works, you raise the children you birth and not give them to politicians to raise. Politicians did not make you have children, you chose to do that and you have the responsibility to raise them. Hope you now understand

I keep getting banned so I will have to post this in bits.

There are somethings that one reads that one can never comprehend.
TV01 and basilico, confidently argue here that only Judeo-Christian cultures ever invented anything.

Someone wake me up and tell me I am dreaming.

Unbelievable.

cc: budaatum. Ijebos. cococandy. LordReed. I figure this must be somehow tied into their Caucasian worship.

I feel weird extracting the below list, but I will just do it for posterity.

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Ancient China (The Four Great Inventions & Beyond)
China is credited with some of the most world-altering technologies in history.

1. Paper (Cai Lun, Han Dynasty)
2. Gunpowder (Originally for medicine/alchemy)
3. Compass (Magnetic lodestone)
4. Woodblock Printing
5. Moveable Type (Bi Sheng)
6. Seismograph
7. Paper Money (Jiaozi)
8. The Mechanical Clock (Yi Xing)
9. Silk production (Sericulture)
10. The Kite
11. The Umbrella
12. The Wheelbarrow
13. Deep Drilling (For natural gas/brine)
14. The Crossbow
15. Tea production
16. Porcelain
17. The Blast Furnace (Cast iron)
18. The Moldboard Plow (Iron plow)
19. Matches
20. The Lacquer (Protective coating)

...To be continued

TV01 and basilico, confidently argue here that only Judeo-Christian cultures ever invented anything.

cc: budaatum. Ijebos. cococandy. LordReed. I figure this must be somehow tied into their Caucasian worship.

I feel weird extracting the below list, but I will just do it for posterity.

Contd -

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The Islamic Golden Age (Middle East & North Africa)
During the Middle Ages, Islamic scholars revolutionized science, medicine, and engineering.

21. Algebra (Al-Khwarizmi)
22. The Camera Obscura (Ibn al-Haytham)
23. The Syringe (Ammar ibn Ali al-Mawsili)
24. Surgical Catgut (Al-Zahrawi)
25. The Astrolabe (Perfected for navigation)
26. The Crankshaft (Al-Jazari)
27. The Suction Pump
28. The Windmill (Vertical-axis, Sistan)
29. Soap (Solid bars with scents)
30. The Fountain Pen (For the Caliph of Maghreb)
31. Coffee (Ethiopian origin, popularized in Yemen/Arabia)
32. The Cheque (Sakk)
33. Universities as Degree-Granting Institutions (University of Al-Quaraouiyine)
34. Modern Chemistry (Jabir ibn Hayyan/Geber)
35. The Distillation Flask (Alembic)
36. Flying Machine Prototypes (Abbas ibn Firnas)
37. The Oud (Predecessor to the Lute/Guitar)
38. The First Public Hospital (Bimaristan)
39. Inoculation (Early smallpox prevention)
40. Magnifying Glass (Convex lenses)

cc: TV01, basilico

Obrigardo:
That your maga cultist folk will be breaking his head that he can't quote me to remind me of what i said 3 years ago, while the world is burning ontop his bald head.
He can't afford food or gas, but his devotion to the tyrant child sexual predator can't make him stop thinking about me, like i own his life.

This is an example of the insanity of the left, they are even hiding while referring to me. This is why leftists should not breed. You cannot pass this chicken behavior to unborn

Have you gotten medication for your condition. The ill you wished Trump is now hunting you all over.

TV01 and basilico, confidently argue here that only Judeo-Christian cultures ever invented anything.

cc: budaatum. Ijebos. cococandy. LordReed. I figure this must be somehow tied into their Caucasian worship.

I feel weird extracting the below list, but I will just do it for posterity.

Contd -

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Ancient Egypt & Mesopotamia (The Cradle of Civilization)
These regions laid the foundation for modern urban life.

41. The Wheel (Sumerian)
42. Writing (Cuneiform and Hieroglyphics)
43. The Calendar (365-day solar calendar)
44. The Plow
45. Irrigation Systems
46. Black Ink
47. The Shaduf (Water-lifting device)
48. Papyrus
49. Wigs
50. Toothpaste (Rock salt, pepper, mint)
51. Breath Mints
52. The Water Clock
53. Sundials
54. The Sickle
55. High Heels (Used by Egyptian butchers/nobility)
56. Copper Plumbing
57. Glassmaking
58. The Lock and Key
59. Beer (Mesopotamian/Egyptian brewing)
60. Mathematics/The 60-second minute (Sumerian sexagesimal system)