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erniok:
How did they create Jesus or you guys don't understand the term create?

Just like how Stan lee created incredible Hulk.

obonujoker:
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Read also Isaiah 53:1-12

Hahahha, are you a Johnny just come?
I have explained those chapters more than a thousand times.isaiah 7:14 is not even the prophecy, it is verse 16. The oracle was for king Ahaz.
Isaiah 7 is about a war that was already brewing.
The king of syria and the king of Israel (the northern kingdom) formed an alliance. They wanted to send their army to the southern kingdom of Judah and install a king that would be loyal to them. (Like what America does these days) When king Ahaz of the southern kingdom heard, he was scared and agitated. Then God sent Isaiah to him to let him know that whatever they were planning will not happen. He was still scared and God asked him to ask for a sign that will assure him of what God has said . He said he can't put God to a test. Then God on his own gave him a sign. Behold this young woman(almah) pointing to the prophetess is pregnant and about to give birth. She will give birth to a son and SHE will call him name Immanuel. Before the child knows the difference between good and bad, those two kingdom will be deserted. NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS.

obonujoker:
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Read also Isaiah 53:1-12

In Isaiah 9 Isaiah was rejoicing with the people who were suffering under king Ahaz, he was not a very good king. But Isaiah told them not to worry, that a son has been given to them who will be a future king and they will be prosperity during his reign because he would be a righteous king. He was already born(given) a son has already been given to them. He was around 6 years old at this time. He would be the future king Hezekiah. He is the heir apparent. ....

obonujoker:
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Read also Isaiah 53:1-12

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant and Isaiah already told you who the servant is . Please check Isaiah 45:1-7

sonmvayina:
Just like how Stan lee created incredible Hulk.

So there was no real Jesus. It's just an imagination of the Romans right?

Africans, when will our eyes open. Oyibo bring religion na we come take am serious pass them.

So which religion did the creator of heaven and earth pass on to your African ancestors that I need to know about?

sonmvayina:
Maybe your ancestors were demon worshippers, mine were not. We follow the divine laws given to our ancestors by God our Creator. That law has been passed down by words of mouth from generation to generation.
The Romans created Jesus as an insult to God. Christianity is an aberration. It is idolatry/human sacrifice what God forbids and calls an abomination.

The ones I knew quite well,don't they do human sacrifices during their festivities to their gods? Are they not the same ones who told their worshippers that twins and albinism are an abomination to be killed or thrown into the evil forests to die.are they not the gods whose worshippers created the caste system in many traditional settings back then and some even existing till date?

lawani:
They are demon worshippers but we had nobody killing over God, raping and etc until the God worshippers arrived around 2000 years ago

oroje1:
The ones I knew quite well,don't they do human sacrifices during their festivities to their gods? Are they not the same ones who told their worshippers that twins and albinism are an abomination to be killed or thrown into the evil forests to die.are they not the gods whose worshippers created the caste system in many traditional settings back then and some even existing till date?

Was Abraham a demon worshipper too? He was a human ritualist

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Was Abraham a demon worshipper too? He was a human ritualist[/quote]Really? How do you define a human ritualist and any proof he was a human ritualist?

sonmvayina:
Maybe your ancestors were demon worshippers, mine were not.

Demons were worshiped as gods before people were enlightened.

Just tell me what the gods of your ancestors promised them and how these gods are fulfilling their promises today!

See what the Bible said to worshipers of demons:

Our God is in the heavens; He does whatever he pleases.  Their idols are silver and gold, The work of human hands.  A mouth they have, but they cannot speak; Eyes, but they cannot see;  Ears they have, but they cannot hear; A nose, but they cannot smell; Hands they have, but they cannot feel; Feet, but they cannot walk; They make no sound with their throat. The people who make them will become just like them, As will all those who trust in them. Psalms 115:3-8

Now prove that your ancestors aren't worshiping demons by telling me one promise the gods of your ancestors made about you and your generation and how they are fulfilling such promises?

erniok:
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Was Abraham a demon worshipper too? He was a human ritualist
Really? How do you define a human ritualist and any proof he was a human ritualist?

Somebody who was told by a voice in his head to sacrifice his own son must have sacrificed other people's sons to even believe that voice in his head or how do you define a human ritualist? Infanticide was common in that part in those days

I'm only asking that you explain the pattern of African religions I just mentioned,leave Abraham own first,after all it was only a test of faith,he didn't actually killed his son....so back to my question,...is it this same African traditional stuff that you referred to as religions passed on to you by your ancestors?

lawani:
Was Abraham a demon worshipper too? He was a human ritualist

oroje1:
I'm only asking that you explain the pattern of African religions I just mentioned,leave Abraham own first,after all it was only a test of faith,he didn't actually killed his son....so back to my question,...is it this same African traditional stuff that you referred to as religions passed on to you by your ancestors?

Yet if someone is caught today trying to sacrifice his own kid, you will be quick to accuse the person of being responsible for some missing people. Double standard. There were no religions in the past. Religion is the opposite of science. If something can be peer reviewed then it is not religion. If something respects other people's culture, it is not religion. Spirit science is not religion and that is what was passed down to every human group by their ancestors and not religion.

Na WA for you o...my friend, black Africans worshipped their individual gods,from sango,Ogun,amadioha, and so many other gods from other parts of africa.all these demon gods .e no get wetin u wan explain.... Christianity is tainted yes I know.but search for the true Christians, you'll find them

lawani:
Yet if someone is caught today trying to sacrifice his own kid, you will be quick to accuse the person of being responsible for some missing people. Double standard. There were no religions in the past. Religion is the opposite of science. If something can be peer reviewed then it is not religion. If something respects other people's culture, it is not religion. Spirit science is not religion and that is what was passed down to every human group by their ancestors and not religion.

What you're only doing is,I quote u canter quote,..can't u just explain the reason why your so called ancestral religions were so cruel and wicked?

oroje1:
Na WA for you o...my friend, black Africans worshipped their individual gods,from sango,Ogun,amadioha, and so many other gods from other parts of africa.all these demon gods .e no get wetin u wan explain.... Christianity is tainted yes I know.but search for the true Christians, you'll find them

lawani:
Somebody who was told by a voice in his head to sacrifice his own son must have sacrificed other people's sons to even believe that voice in his head or how do you define a human ritualist? Infanticide was common in that part in those days

So you now define say a thief as someone who has the means and opportunity to steal but didn't do it. Who are you guys teachers these days. They are doing a really terrible job.

erniok:
So you now define say a thief as someone who has the means and opportunity to steal but didn't do it. Who are you guys teachers these days. They are doing a really terrible job.

A thief does not see anything wrong with stealing just like a human ritualist does not see anything wrong with killing human beings for rituals or for God

lawani:
A thief does not see anything wrong with stealing just like a human ritualist does not see anything wrong with killing human beings for rituals or for God

So let's assume that he didnt see anything wrong with stealing but didn't steal even when he had means and opportunity, you'd still label him a thief right?

erniok:
So let's assume that he didnt see anything wrong with stealing but didn't steal even when he had means and opportunity, you'd still label him a thief right?

It would be fair to believe such a person is a thief pending evidence to the contrary

lawani:
It would be fair to believe such a person is a thief pending evidence to the contrary

So he's no longer presumed innocent until it's proved otherwise. He is guilty simple.
Hey everyone, the smartest guy in the block is around.

erniok:
So he's no longer presumed innocent until it's proved otherwise. He is guilty simple.
Hey everyone, the smartest guy in the block is around.

Abraham saw nothing wrong in human rituals

lawani:
Abraham saw nothing wrong in human rituals

Stop deviating. I would have taken you through the scriptures but that would waste our time. Let's stick to the premises of your position.

S9nin your view, everyone is guilty until proven otherwise. Let me ask, are you a Nigerian police officer?

obonujoker:
Hope you are ready to give account of your words when you meet the king of glory?

hahaha who is the king of glory... The one you know or the one you were told by some white folks who brainwashed you..... The bible God don't exist... Go and find meaning in nature.. gives thanks to nature for without the existence of nature no human will exist... Thank the rain the sun the wind the atmosphere the natural things... and the creator will be glad for your gratitude not the bible God with angels guiding him with swords.. sending people who offend him to hell fire...think for yourself don't allow people think for you.

oroje1:
So which religion did the creator of heaven and earth pass on to your African ancestors that I need to know about?

So you just read to respond, not to understand what I wrote.... indeed they have eyes but can't see.

I said , God only gave us laws to keep and follow.
Do not take what does not belong to you
Do not sleep with another man's wife
Do not kill any body deliberately.if any body offends you, report to the obi in council. If the person is found guilty,he is banished.
Etc....
We have a four days cycle...Nkwo, Eke, Orie Afor.....
We have festivals like the new yam festival and laws guiding it......
You can't marry within the same kindred.


Etc.
Even during the civil war, nobody from my village died. The Nigerian soldiers went round our village, but never entered. God protected us.....

MaxInDHouse:
Demons were worshiped as gods before people were enlightened.

Just tell me what the gods of your ancestors promised them and how these gods are fulfilling their promises today!

See what the Bible said to worshipers of demons:

Our God is in the heavens; He does whatever he pleases.  Their idols are silver and gold, The work of human hands.  A mouth they have, but they cannot speak; Eyes, but they cannot see;  Ears they have, but they cannot hear; A nose, but they cannot smell; Hands they have, but they cannot feel; Feet, but they cannot walk; They make no sound with their throat. The people who make them will become just like them, As will all those who trust in them. Psalms 115:3-8

Now prove that your ancestors aren't worshiping demons by telling me one promise the gods of your ancestors made about you and your generation and how they are fulfilling such promises?

I don't need to tell you anything, God gave us laws we kept them. And as such he protected us during the Nigerian -Biafran civil wars. Nobody from there died.......

You ancestors worship demons and idols, I don't blame them. They never had any convenat with the creator like us.
Now that they are supposed to be enlightened, they are worshipping a white man from Israel......so sad of them.

erniok:
So there was no real Jesus. It's just an imagination of the Romans right?

Now your getting it.
In Justin Martyre dialogue with Trypho, He accused Christians of inventing a Christ for them selves.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Did+Trypho+accuse+the+christians+of+inventing+a+christ+for+themselves

OK!😂

sonmvayina:
I don't need to tell you anything, God gave us laws we kept them. And as such he protected us during the Nigerian -Biafran civil wars. Nobody from there died.

Meaning you served an unknown god through your alusi,cos the new yam festivities are dedicated to these idols.then how come ur primitive ancestors came about the killing of twins and albinos,and sacrificing of humans during their feasts? Is it the true God, Jehovah who gave them those erroneous viewpoints?

sonmvayina:
So you just read to respond, not to understand what I wrote.... indeed they have eyes but can't see.

I said , God only gave us laws to keep and follow.
Do not take what does not belong to you
Do not sleep with another man's wife
Do not kill any body deliberately.if any body offends you, report to the obi in council. If the person is found guilty,he is banished.
Etc....
We have a four days cycle...Nkwo, Eke, Orie Afor.....
We have festivals like the new yam festival and laws guiding it......
You can't marry within the same kindred.


Etc.
Even during the civil war, nobody from my village died. The Nigerian soldiers went round our village, but never entered. God protected us.....

sonmvayina:
Now your getting it.
In Justin Martyre dialogue with Trypho, He accused Christians of inventing a Christ for them selves.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Did+Trypho+accuse+the+christians+of+inventing+a+christ+for+themselves

Even your own exhibit denies you. How do you intend to dig yourself out of this one,

erniok:
Even your own exhibit denies you. How do you intend to dig yourself out of this one,

Did you even check it out....

??

oroje1:
Meaning you served an unknown god through your alusi,cos the new yam festivities are dedicated to these idols.then how come ur primitive ancestors came about the killing of twins and albinos,and sacrificing of humans during their feasts? Is it the true God, Jehovah who gave them those erroneous viewpoints?

Wao...so your ancestors did all those, wao...no wonder he is using the fulani herdsmen to punish them. Wao, your ancestors really commit atrocities.......

Meeeen, you really need to go for Deliverance. Your bloodline is corrupted.