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chimex38:
Rulers are constantly linked to God in all JW explanations.
The word Satan was never ever mentioned.

You keep following me from thread to thread and that is good for you a lot of blessings awaits you if you don't give up in your quest.

According to God's word Satan started ruling over mankind after man's fall in Eden that is why God destroyed many humans directly because they weren't doing God's will rather that of Satan {Genesis 6:5} in fact regarding whose will the majority are doing God's word has this to say:

They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not (God's) children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted generation. Deuteronomy 32:5

When Jesus walked the earth his mission was to train faithful and loyal individuals and make them God's sons {John 1:11-12} but Satan was fully ready to counter this move that is why he continued to initiate satanism in the gathering of world rulers so that through them he can control the entire inhabitants of the planet against Christ and his disciples. Revelation 12:17

Why this move?
Because when Satan and his demons tried to exterminate Jesus' apostles the earth (faithful humans) join them to do the work Jesus assigned to them making it rather difficult for Satan to carry out his evil scheme! Revelation 12:6

So from that time till today Satan focus on human governments as a tool to use against God's organized people.
Do you even know why they gave people anthems and pledges?

Well just as Nebuchadnezzar arranged for an anthem to make all the people do whatever he wants the same thing is happening today your rulers are giving you anthems and pledges that will erase the love of neighbors and fellow believers in your hearts so that instead of obeying Jesus {Mark 12:31; John 13:34-35} you will obey them and Satan their God! Revelation 6:3-4🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Institution doesn't mean destination o!

When a child is born a parent which his child become either a doctor, lawyer, engineer or entrepreneur in the future so the child is sent to school (institution) not just to learn how to become what they wanted but also to mingle with different kinds of people and know what to expect in the future because it's these same kind of people that will make up the society in which the child is to practice whatever he has learned in the institution.
The right question we need to ask ourselves is:
If my parents have the power to stop all evildoers in the society do i still need to spend years in the institution?
The answer is NO!
So also when God's Kingdom comes all human governments will be destroyed completely {Daniel 2:44} because by then only God's government will reign over all the earth and there will be no need of human government anymore!

False prophet, God is the One who appoints rulers. Here's what the Bible says again, in case you missed the point:
False prophet. This is what the Bible says:

Romans 13:1-7;

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

FxMasterz:
False prophet, God is the One who appoints rulers.

Luke 4:5-7🤔

chimex38:
Rulers and government are Gods appointed Ministers to serve the people..

Are they not primarily in place by God to maintain law and order and to punish erring citizens according to their misdeeds.

If they fall astray or abuse power,i believe they will also receive God's wrath as he wishes.

How can one unilaterally say all rulers are from Satan?

So we should oppose and fight against the Authorities and Government?
Just as we oppose and fight Satan?

chimex38:
Rulers are constantly linked to God in all JW explanations.

The word Satan was never ever mentioned.

From the JW explanation overview website ,
Secular Goverment and worldly rulers are described as God's Ministers, servants of God, who if defied by the citizens incuring God's wrath who punish such citizens through the worldly Rulers.
Meaning, the Worldly Rulers are an extension of God's ordained Leadership to carry out law, Order and judgement on the citizens.
Citizens shouldn't have fear of the worldly rulers if they are upright.

Whoever opposes worldly Authority is bringing judgement against oneself(Rom13:2).

Cc: fxmasterz
(Use Desktop view to see JW official explanations)

https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/romans/13/

Also, being rulers or Secular leaders of the world doesn't mean they own the kingdom of the World.
The Government are there to serve God through serving the people as appointed by God. They don't necessarily own the Kingdom.
Except maybe of course those of traditional and kingship Kingdoms.

Primary essence of maintaining law, order and enforcing fairnerss, reward and rightful punishment to offenders is a characteristic feature of good deeds and right justice and thus reason for God appointing secular leaders and Ministers to serve this purpose on earth..

chimex38:
From the JW explanation overview website ,
Secular Goverment and worldly rulers are described as God's Ministers, servants of God, who if defied by the citizens incuring God's wrath who punish such citizens through the worldly Rulers.
Meaning, the Worldly Rulers are an extension of God's ordained Leadership to carry out law, Order and judgement on the citizens.
Citizens shouldn't have fear of the worldly rulers if they are upright.

Whoever opposes worldly Authority is bringing judgement against oneself(Rom13:2).

Cc: fxmasterz
(Use Desktop view to see JW official explanations)

https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/romans/13/

Thank you very much brother.

You exposed the false prophet. I'm even surprised that his organization has very sound doctrines on the topic of world rulers. Maxindhouse is just a fraud.

My question to the false prophet now changes.

Maxindhouse, if your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers as the Bible has said, and they also support what the Bible says regarding them being the ones to administer wrath to wrongdoers. What would they use to administer the wrath?

A. Plenty money
B. Sword
C. Evangelism
D. Beautiful mansion
E. A, C, D
F. None of the above.

Of course violating God's arrangement is like disobeying God.
Jesus taught us to do whatever world rulers say {Matthew 5:41} as long as it doesn't go against God's will {Mark 12:17} but we must remember that it's Satan that appointed them {Luke 4:6} as the ruler of the world! John 14:30

So Paul is not saying this world rulers are doing God's will rather they stand in place to maintain orderliness in human societies therefore when they ask for tax we should pay because that is part of what they use to run their government and when they make some policies as long as it doesn't conflict with God's will we should obey {Romans 13:6-7} but we should always remember that they are not worshiping our God so you can't see a single Christian among them.

But if you want to help your friend please mention one Christian in any country you know who is ruling as King or politician.

At least you guys have been hiding your churches for a reason best known to you but now mention a Christian who is into politics in any part of the world i believe that shouldn't be hard for you nah!😟

chimex38:
From the JW explanation overview website ,
Secular Goverment and worldly rulers are described as God's Ministers, servants of God, who if defied by the citizens incuring God's wrath who punish such citizens through the worldly Rulers.
Meaning, the Worldly Rulers are an extension of God's ordained Leadership to carry out law, Order and judgement on the citizens.
Citizens shouldn't have fear of the worldly rulers if they are upright.

Whoever opposes worldly Authority is bringing judgement against oneself(Rom13:2).

Cc: fxmasterz
(Use Desktop view to see JW official explanations)

https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/romans/13/

If you are say you are a Christian and as a Christian we are still not righteous enough cuz we still sin daily and default in one way or another, knowingly and unknowngly.
Does that make you less a Christian and now Satan or devilish or not of God?

If a Government leader serves God and defaults from time to time knowingly and unknowingly, does that automatically make him/her Satan and not of God?

FxMasterz:
Maxindhouse, if your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers.

God's organization teaches His people to distinguish between right and wrong unlike you people who don't know the difference.
The same thing Paul said is what God's organization is repeating today.

If God has permitted Satan to choose his own friends into his kingdom (Government) that is because God's time to exterminate them hasn't reach so whoever violates that arrangement is fighting against God!

Before John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth God's people always fight to destroy their enemies but from the day God appointed a period of time for the nations to rule no servant of God should go against that arrangement. That is why the Jews hated Jesus with passion because they feel pagan nations shouldn't continue ruling over them when the Christ comes so they tried to make Jesus king by force {John 6:15} with the intention that he will wipe out pagan rulers throughout Israel and the world at large. Isaiah 9:6-7 compare to Daniel 2:44
But what did Jesus tell his own disciples who were willing to know why Jesus wasn't taking such actions?

Jesus told his friends not to support the nation of Israel in their violation of the arrangement because all those protesters:

"will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." Luke 21:24

So God has appointed a period of time for Satan and his agents to govern the planet that is what Satan told Jesus in the Bible book of Luke 4:6-7 Jesus never denied it instead he told his disciples that Satan is truly the one ruling over the world {John 14:30} Paul said the same thing {2Corinthians 4:4} and John also said the same thing! 1John 5:19

So whoever is into politics can't be one of God's worshipers that's why you can't point to a single Christian among all the politicians in the world!🙂

chimex38:
If a Government leader serves God and defaults from time to time knowingly and unknowingly, does that automatically make him/her Satan and not of God?

Good question!
Of course they can't be Christians!

WHY?

Jesus commanded his disciples to go and preach from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} that is something really difficult for them because they are always going about with armed guards whereas disciples of Christ must be harmless as dove {Matthew 10:16} so that whoever they preach to can freely ask them any question that comes to his or her heart even annoying ones.

That is exactly why a politician in Jesus' day was disappointed despite knowing that Jesus is the Christ he couldn't be one of his disciples! Luke 18:18-24

The early Christians were peasants. The grassroots of the society, they rarely had top influential people with them as Christ disciples before and after death.
Nicodemus and fee others were just few exceptions and even at that, I want to believe they had their limits and not enough carrying power.

Hence, It was natural to see leaders and rulers in various communities practicing various religion and thus prosecuting the disciples during envangelization in their era and time.
So it could be natural to view all of them as pagans or opposition to Christianity even without meeting any of them within the first 100-200yrs of Christ Death and maybe classify all of them as Satan.

However, as Christianity kept spreading over centuries through thick and thin, I believe most peasant Christians gradually grew in career and leadership positions to lead the wider population and thus even effected the spread of Christianity.

Overtime even Kings and queens and warrior rulers became Christians and led the charge of spreading Christianity rapidly..

The result is whatever unfair, and evil policies and practices they've been meting our on their followers and subjects, through Christianity conversion , they convert those policies to being fair and just in line with God's commandments.
Hence of recent, slave trade abolitions, fight against racism, etc have been some positives..

I believe the context of the Early Christans leadership mismatch relative to other religions against them matters.

Doesn't still answer the question
Just pass if you can't.
Don't cherry pick the one that favours you to miss direct discuss.
The two questions are simultaneously interwovened.

The simple reply is:
If the politicians and Nicodemus are Satan, you and I also are Satan..QED

If the politicians and Nicodemus are not Christians, you and I also not Christians..QED

BE direct, no dey explain and explain tire.

And if you are not Satan or his agents then political leaders, managers in positions of human needs are not Satan's agents.
It isn't fair and right to just pick any of their misdeeds to generalise them as Satan
Just as you ask God for forgiveness for your own misdeeds , you don't know if they also do the same for their misdeeds so as to get wisdom to serve the people better.

I quoted Romans 13: 1-4
You left it and rushed to quote Roman's 13: 6 to justify the use of tax for Caesar's bidding, hence they are "satan" according to your interpretation.
Cuz you have interpreted that all tax system is only used for the politicians bidding to fund themselves?

The modern tax system in countries that works(sweden, Norway,USA etc) isn't it for the masses as well?
if it was evil in Jesus time,cuz the leaders(Caesar and Co) weren't Christians. Over time, Christians and leaders in other countries with good Morals as a result of following God and being led to lead by God has successfully used these taxes for the betterment of their population, widows,orphans low income earners, disabled, etc..

Leadership and government is also complex to be fully unilateral in condemning every participants as Satan.
Even citizens like you and I am part of the government if you dont know.

There can be good leaders with bad subject, bad leaders with good subjects. Or good leaders and good subjects but bad contractors to deliver the right an quality people oriented project expected.

Obviously you just want to argue but i think the message has been passed at least throughout the world there is no single JW in any political position just as it was in the first century.
And you with your friend who wants to claim Christians are among politicians can't mention one throughout the world.
There is no need to argue blindly!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
God's organization teaches His people to distinguish between right and wrong unlike you people who don't know the difference.
The same thing Paul said is what God's organization is repeating today.

If God has permitted Satan to choose his own friends into his kingdom (Government) that is because God's time to exterminate them hasn't reach so whoever violates that arrangement is fighting against God!

Before John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth God's people always fight to destroy their enemies but from the day God appointed a period of time for the nations to rule no servant of God should go against that arrangement. That is why the Jews hated Jesus with passion because they feel pagan nations shouldn't continue ruling over them when the Christ comes so they tried to make Jesus king by force {John 6:15} with the intention that he will wipe out pagan rulers throughout Israel and the world at large. Isaiah 9:6-7 compare to Daniel 2:44
But what did Jesus tell his own disciples who were willing to know why Jesus wasn't taking such actions?

Jesus told his friends not to support the nation of Israel in their violation of the arrangement because all those protesters:

"will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." Luke 21:24

So God has appointed a period of time for Satan and his agents to govern the planet that is what Satan told Jesus in the Bible book of Luke 4:6-7 Jesus never denied it instead he told his disciples that Satan is truly the one ruling over the world {John 14:30} Paul said the same thing {2Corinthians 4:4} and John also said the same thing! 1John 5:19

So whoever is into politics can't be one of God's worshipers that's why you can't point to a single Christian among all the politicians in the world!🙂

Abeg, cut all the crap. You just like typing anything that comes into your head and make a doctrine out of pure gibberish.

The Bible establishes that rulers are appointed by God and they're God's servants.

If you don't understand that statement, let me explain it to you.

When we say God's servant, that doesn't mean the person is a worshipper of God. Anyone can be a servant of God for any purpose that God chooses, but that doesn't mean the person is a worshipper or child of God. Those are two different things.

A servant of God fulfils God's intended purpose for the world or for the Church. For example, the Pharisees, Pilate and all those who cried "crucify Him" were all servants of God to ensure the fulfillment of prophecies regarding the crucification of Christ. Acts 4:27-28 says:

"for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place."

The did everything God planned to take place without even knowing they were serving God's purposes. Those rulers of the world, even though appointed by God, are serving God's purposes without even knowing it. The sole purpose is order and the regulation of evil doers.

God appointed Pharaoh to make His name name. He served the purpose without even knowing it. Same as Cyrus as depicted on the opening sections of this thread.

A worshipper of God fulfils God's purposes intentionally as a leader but a none worshipper fulfils God's purposes without knowing it. Even Satan was used by God to fulfil the plan of salvation. Otherwise, without him deceiving the people, no one would have crucified Jesus.

You need to stop deceiving yourself and become born again.

So now, Maxindhouse, back to the question you are trying to dodge:

If your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers as the Bible has said, and they also support what the Bible says regarding them being the ones to administer wrath to wrongdoers. What would they use to administer the wrath?

A. Plenty money
B. Sword
C. Evangelism
D. Beautiful mansion
E. A, C, D
F. None of the above.

FxMasterz:
When we say God's servant, that doesn't mean the person is a worshipper of God.

Exactly my point!
So just as an idol worshiper may be the one doing what falls in line with God's will it doesn't mean such a person is a worshiper of God.
That's what i've been saying since that no politician or world ruler can be a Christian of course they may unknowingly do things that falls within God's purpose.
May you have peace!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly my point!
So just as an idol worshiper may be the one doing what falls in line with God's will it doesn't mean such a person is a worshiper of God.
That's what i've been saying since that no politician or world ruler can be a Christian of course they may unknowingly do things that falls within God's purpose.
May you have peace!🙂

Sorry please let me just leave this here, please.

DoWhatThouWilt:
Sorry please let me just leave this here, please.

Are you a Muslim?🤔

AkinwaleJJ:
Are you a Muslim?🤔

MaxInDHouse why register as a female?

Anyway, to answer your question. No I am a Jehovah witness. Please let me drop this here also for people to see.

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly my point!
So just as an idol worshiper may be the one doing what falls in line with God's will it doesn't mean such a person is a worshiper of God.
That's what i've been saying since that no politician or world ruler can be a Christian of course they may unknowingly do things that falls within God's purpose.
May you have peace!🙂

Your error is in saying they're not servants of God even when God's Word says they are.

Now, God said they bear the sword for good. Do you know believe this too, or would you answer my question:

If your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers as the Bible has said, and they also support what the Bible says regarding them being the ones to administer wrath to wrongdoers. What would they use to administer the wrath?

A. Plenty money
B. Sword
C. Evangelism
D. Beautiful mansion
E. A, C, D
F. None of the above.

FxMasterz:
Your error is in saying they're not servants of God even when God's Word says they are.

Can you quote where i said they are not servants of God?🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where i said they are not servants of God?🤔

You said it on this link: https://www.nairaland.com/8596926/too-many-gods-exactly-true/20#139054506

You need to tender an apology, and admit that your theology is full of errors. You must therefore sit down and learn from those of us who have been humble enough to allow the Joy Spirit teach us the mind of God.

Screenshots attached.

FxMasterz:
You said it on this link: https://www.nairaland.com/8596926/too-many-gods-exactly-true/20#139054506
You need to tender an apology, and admit that your theology is full of errors. You must therefore sit down and learn from those of us who have been humble enough to allow the Joy Spirit teach us the mind of God.

Screenshots attached.

Good!
That's an error!
They are doing what is within God's plan so they are serving his purpose but not his worshipers!

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
That's an error!
They are doing what is within God's plan so they are serving his purpose but not his worshipers!

That wasn't an error. It was a false doctrine that was vehemently invalidated by strong Scriptural arguments. You insisted you were right until you were exposed.

Now, tender an unreserved apology to the body of Christ for teaching such a false doctrine. It was on the basis of your continued defence of this false doctrine that I called you a false prophet.

Also, answer my question:

If your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers as the Bible has said, and they also support what the Bible says regarding them being the ones to administer wrath to wrongdoers. What would they use to administer the wrath?

A. Plenty money
B. Sword
C. Evangelism
D. Beautiful mansion
E. A, C, D
F. None of the above.

World rulers are under Satan who offered Jesus a position under his rule {Luke 4:5-7} Jesus admitted that Satan is the ruler of the world {John 14:30} Paul referred to Satan as the God of this system of things {2Corinthians 4:4} John said Satan is controlling the whole world! 1John 5:19

So there can't be a Christian among all those partaking in Satan's government.

Do you agree with this?

If not please mention one Christian out of all the rulers you know today!🙂

FxMasterz:
That wasn't an error. It was a false doctrine that was vehemently invalidated by strong Scriptural arguments. You insisted you were right until you were exposed.
Now, tender an unreserved apology to the body of Christ for teaching such a false doctrine. It was on the basis of your continued defence of this false doctrine that I called you a false prophet.
Also, answer my question:
If your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers as the Bible has said, and they also support what the Bible says regarding them being the ones to administer wrath to wrongdoers. What would they use to administer the wrath?
A. Plenty money
B. Sword
C. Evangelism
D. Beautiful mansion
E. A, C, D
F. None of the above.

MaxInDHouse:
World rulers are under Satan who offered Jesus a position under his rule {Luke 4:5-7} Jesus admitted that Satan is the ruler of the world {John 14:30} Paul referred to Satan as the God of this system of things {2Corinthians 4:4} John said Satan is controlling the whole world! 1John 5:19

So there can't be a Christian among all those partaking in Satan's government.

Do you agree with this?

If not please mention one Christian out of all the rulers you know today!🙂

You refused to humble yourself and apologize. Another trait of someone who isn't a. Christian.

God is the One who knows those who are is. So, are you saying that God doesn't appoint any of His own children into the position of authority? God appoints only Satan's children?


Also, answer my question:
If your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers as the Bible has said, and they also support what the Bible says regarding them being the ones to administer wrath to wrongdoers. What would they use to administer the wrath?
A. Plenty money
B. Sword
C. Evangelism
D. Beautiful mansion
E. A, C, D
F. None of the above

Just one President, Governor, Senator, Reps, Minister, Local Government Chairman or Counselor who is a believer in Christ.
Haba!
How can someone be arguing aimlessly like this?😂

I say they are all worshiping Satan but if you feel any of them is a worshiper of your own God oya mention the name.

Simple!😂

FxMasterz:
You refused to humble yourself and apologize. Another trait of someone who isn't a. Christian.

God is the One who knows those who are is. So, are you saying that God doesn't appoint any of His own children into the position of authority? God appoints only Satan's children?

FxMasterz:
ChatGpt
Here is my own telling of the Isaiah 45 story—focused on one simple question: Did what Isaiah 45 described actually happen in verifiable history, or not?

A God Who Stakes His Identity on Time
Ancient humanity was never short of gods. Every culture had many—gods of war, rain, fertility, wisdom. What they all shared was this: none of them were testable. They explained the past, justified the present, but never put their identity on the line in a way history itself could verify.

Isaiah records something different.
In Isaiah 40–48, the God of Israel does not argue philosophically. He does not demand blind faith. Instead, He proposes a test:

If you are gods, tell the future. Declare what is to come.

This is an audacious claim. Predictive specificity is dangerous—because it can be checked later. False gods avoid that risk. The God of Isaiah embraces it. Then He does something without precedent in ancient religious literature: He names a future political leader, assigns him a task, and ties His own credibility to whether it happens.

The name is Cyrus. The Problem With Cyrus:
When Isaiah wrote, several things were true:

1. Jerusalem was still standing.
2. The Temple was still intact
3. Israel was not in exile
4. Persia was not a world empire
5. Cyrus did not exist
6. His parents did not exist
7. His grandparents did not exist

Yet Isaiah 44–45 speaks of Cyrus as though he is already alive—called by name, addressed directly, assigned a mission:

1. He will subdue nations
2. He will open gates no one can shut
3. He will rebuild Jerusalem
4. He will order the Temple rebuilt
5. He will release Israel’s captives

This is not vague symbolism. These are administrative, political actions. At the time, they made no sense.

Isaiah Dies. History Moves On.
Roughly 50 years later, something Isaiah never lived to see happens:

1. Babylon attacks Jerusalem
2. The Temple is burned
3. The population is deported

Only now does Isaiah’s prophecy even become relevant. Before this, it sounded unnecessary. After this, it sounded impossible.

Isaiah is gone. His words remain—unfulfilled, uneditable.

Enter Cyrus of Persia
About 150 years after Isaiah wrote, Cyrus II is born in Persia. He rises to power, conquers Babylon in 539 BC, and becomes ruler of the dominant empire of the world.

Then comes the historical hinge.

In 538 BC, Cyrus issues a decree allowing displaced peoples to return to their homelands and rebuild their temples. Among them are the Jews.

The biblical record preserves the decree (Ezra 1). But this is not the only source.

The Extra-Biblical Evidence
In 1879, archaeologists discovered the Cyrus Cylinder, now housed in the British Museum. It is a royal inscription written in Cyrus’s own time, describing his policy of restoring temples and repatriating exiled peoples.

The cylinder does not quote Isaiah. It does not mention Jerusalem by name. And that is precisely why it matters.
It independently confirms that:

1. Cyrus had a consistent imperial policy of restoration
2. He issued decrees allowing captives to return He rebuilt temples destroyed by Babylon
3. This is exactly the behavior Isaiah attributed to him—long before Babylon ever destroyed Jerusalem.

Biblical text and Persian archaeology converge without dependence on each other.

Did Cyrus Know Isaiah?

Possibly later. But the crucial point is this: Isaiah’s prophecy existed before the events It could not be edited after fulfillment. It named a specific individual. It described actions that only became meaningful decades later. It aligns with independent historical records.

If the prophecy were written after the fact, it would be detectable. Scholars debate many biblical texts—but Isaiah’s pre-exilic sections are firmly dated before Cyrus. The Dead Sea Scrolls confirm the text’s antiquity and stability.

Why This Matters
The God of Isaiah does not say, “Believe because I am powerful.”

He says, “Believe because I can do what no false god can: tell you what will happen, then make it happen.”

He even explains His motive:

So that the ends of the earth may know that I am the LORD, and there is no other.

This is not tribal bragging. It is a universal claim tied to public history.

Isaiah Is Not Alone. The Cyrus episode is not unique.

Daniel outlines centuries of geopolitical succession with disturbing precision. Later historians were so unsettled by its accuracy that some argued it must have been written after the events—until manuscript evidence proved otherwise.

The Bible repeatedly puts itself in a position where time itself can refute it.

False religions do not do that.

My Conclusion Either: Isaiah 45 is an extraordinary coincidence involving names, empires, timing, and archaeology aligning by chance or The text records a God who operates outside time and uses history as His signature. Isaiah offers no third option.

This God does not shout. He does not compete loudly with other gods.

He hides—quietly embedding His identity into the future. And centuries later, history answers for Him.

That is the question Isaiah leaves behind—not “Is God powerful?” But “Who else can do this?”

Powerful stuff

MaxInDHouse:
Just one President, Governor, Senator, Reps, Minister, Local Government Chairman or Counselor who is a believer in Christ.
Haba!
How can someone be arguing aimlessly like this?😂

I say they are all worshiping Satan but if you feel any of them is a worshiper of your own God oya mention the name.

Simple!😂

Are you God to determine who is worshipping Him? This shows how deeply ignorant you are!

Even in that parable, the husbandman said "Let the tares and the wheats grow together." Why? Because:

"Nevertheless, the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," 2 Timothy 2:19.

And:

"Who are you to judge Someone else's servant? To His Master, he standeth or fall..." Romans 14:4.

Therefore,

"Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God." 1 Corinthians 4:5.

"Then you shall again discern Between the righteous and the wicked, Between one who serves God And one who does not serve Him." Malachi 3:18.

There are several rulers who have claimed and still claim to be worshippers of God. There are very many. I do not know their personal walk with God. I do not have any knowledge of their inner lives. I only know of their claims. I cannot speak for anyone because only the Lord knows those who are His. Men look on faces but God looks on the heart.

But to say no one is worshipping God among the rulers, means you're taking the position of God presumably to determine those who are worshippers of God. You're still in another error.

Just delete John 13:34-35 and whatever you say is OK!😀

FxMasterz:
Are you God to determine who is worshipping Him? This shows how deeply ignorant you are!

MaxInDHouse:
Just delete John 13:34-35 and whatever you say is OK!😀

Show us how this applies to governments and nations.

FxMasterz:
Show us how this applies to governments and nations.

God's government has nothing to do with man's government {John 18:36 compare to Daniel 2:44} the nations are thinking differently so they can't have the love Jesus commanded his disciples that's why they are always going to wars fighting and killing one another! Revelation 6:3-4