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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 3:29pm On Apr 18
DeepSight:
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I dont think so when I consider what citizens go through in terms of medical bills and I see that currently a lot of medical aid has been scarpped.
I dont think so when I consider the amount of homeless still on the streets.

I dont think so when I consider the massive gap in protection of the vulnerable between much "poorer" European countries and the USA.
This is why I always say away from the emotional rants and feel good virtue signalling, Lets discuss the numbers and the stats

According to Google search. In the US with less welfare a population of 350m, 770k people are homeless = 0.22%
https://endhomelessness.org/state-of-homelessness/

In the UK with a better welfare system, a population of 70m people. there are 382k homeless people = 0.54%
https://england.shelter.org.uk/media/press_release/at_least_382000_people_are_homeless_in_england_today_

In the Canada with a better welfare system, a population of 40m people. there are 230k homeless people = 0.575%
https://homelesshub.ca/collection/homelessness-101/how-many-people-homeless-canada/

I have provided the links for my data so you can factcheck

It shows the US has a lower homeless people per capita than the UK and Canada other developed countries that has better welfarism

Maybe just Maybe welfarism is not the solution to homelessness but actually making the economy more robust, lower taxes and give people means to prosperity and not handout like the US is doing

This is why I kept saying emotional rants do not cut in governance, rather cold hard facts
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 3:38pm On Apr 18
According to Netanyahu, Iran has been two weeks away from a fully functional nuclear weapon for the last 30 years. Year after year he’s coming to the US to get our govt to fund his little war on Iran. I don’t know why he doesn’t use the money his citizens spend on free healthcare and education to pay for it.

But according to magacucks here, isreal kids deserve it and our kids don’t. Weak pathetic men.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:40pm On Apr 18
cococandy:
Has anyone seen Lord Adam in these parts since trump’s eff ups began?

That’s the thing with maga. They are so insincere and have no ability to be honorable. When breeze exposes their yansh, they slink away and pretend they never said the things that they did. They don’t apologize or seek to make it right.

Same guy rejoicing that Trump won not that long ago, is on a different thread saying that he’s a pdf and lamba master who should be in a nursing home.

So, would it have killed him to come here and admit he was wrong?

I know that he knew the truth from the beginning and was engaging in bad faith roundabout arguments from the get go. That’s why they’re not worth the time or the effort.
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Interresting!

I remember my only interaction with this fella was years ago when he was arguing with me justifying those who spend absurd millions on random artworks. I think his argument then was that there was financial sense to it as investments. Mine was a bit more on the conscience side of such expenditure in a world with so much poverty and need/ as well as the argument that some of those works were sheer fraud.

It was interesting though.

https://www.nairaland.com/4179140/517-year-old-leonardo-da-vincis-portrait/5#62455950
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:42pm On Apr 18
You don't get to do an audit without accessing relevant data.
The outcry against DOGE was because if not stopped they would have revealed the largest guzzlers of public funds. The ones with the loudest megaphones .
Your treasury pays out $18.9B every day ,it's imperative that payments be reviewed and suggestions made to improve efficiency . Audits are never about catching the thieves ,they are for ensuring that laid down procedures are followed. Eliminating waste is important else it's your children who will suffer in the end
If a significant matter is flagged, then a forensic audit is conducted .




cococandy:
We are not against preventing waste. We are against an unsanctioned agency with unvetted employees being given access to America’s coffers and handed free rein to decimate any organizations that are investigating the leader of said agency.

Keep up
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:44pm On Apr 18
raumdeuter:
This is why I always say away from the emotional rants and feel good virtue signalling, Lets discuss the numbers and the stats

According to Google search. In the US with less welfare a population of 350m, 770k people are homeless = 0.22%
https://endhomelessness.org/state-of-homelessness/

In the UK with a better welfare system, a population of 70m people. there are 382k homeless people = 0.54%
https://england.shelter.org.uk/media/press_release/at_least_382000_people_are_homeless_in_england_today_

In the Canada with a better welfare system, a population of 40m people. there are 230k homeless people = 0.575%
https://homelesshub.ca/collection/homelessness-101/how-many-people-homeless-canada/

I have provided the links for my data so you can factcheck

It shows the US has a lower homeless people per capita than the UK and Canada other developed countries that has better welfarism

Maybe just Maybe welfarism is not the solution to homelessness but actually making the economy more robust, lower taxes and give people means to prosperity and not handout like the US is doing

This is why I kept saying emotional rants do not cut in governance, rather cold hard facts
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This sort of analysis does not take account the massive differential in the wealth of both countries. You are comparing a 30 Trillion Dollar economy to a 3.5 Trillion Dollar Economy. In short the USA is almost ten times as wealthy in GDP and you didnt factor that.

Who is emotional now?

Secondly I would be really interested in what is classed as homeless in both countries.

Because I suspect that the stats are with reference to people the state assists with housing and not with respect to actual people on the streets NOT assisted by the state.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:45pm On Apr 18
raumdeuter:
They dont want to cut fraud and waste. With the huge welfare comes with Fraud and abuse which the left turn a blind eye to.
They are doing everything to block every attempt at that but just pay more and more of your taxes.
How do you write checks $18.9B daily for 365 days a year without a watertight system of where the money is going? Shocking .
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 3:45pm On Apr 18
Imagine people crying that Iran cannot make nukes 😂

The brief woman has been making noise this morning. Trump is doing what he can to make the world a safer place. That's a fact.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 3:47pm On Apr 18
😂😂🤣🤣 Eric sent him a D-Pict

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:49pm On Apr 18
raumdeuter:
They dont want to cut fraud and waste. With the huge welfare comes with Fraud and abuse which the left turn a blind eye to.
They are doing everything to block every attempt at that but just pay more and more of your taxes.
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It always makes me laugh when people think that one of the greatest fraudsters in history - Trump - is fighting fraud and corruption in the USA.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 3:51pm On Apr 18
Well, 10 years of your life being a MAGA. Imagine this

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 3:51pm On Apr 18
DeepSight:
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This sort of analysis does not take account the massive differential in the wealth of both countries. You are comparing a 30 Trillion Dollar economy to a 3.5 Trillion Dollar Economy. In short the USA is about ten times as wealthy in GDP and you didnt factor that.

Secondly I would be really interested in what is classed as homeless in both countries.

Because I suspect that the stats are with reference to people the state assists with housing and not with respect to actual people on the streets NOT assisted by the state.
Why do you think one is a 30 trillion economy and the other is a 3.5 trillion economy? Maybe its because they emphasized prosperity of the individual by the state not taking all your money instead of promoting a welfare state where the govt is your nanny that takes care of you

When you give lower taxes and dont punish success with excessive taxes, maybe your economy will grow exponentially, it will attract the smartest people from all over the world who will create things and make the nation prosperous instead of taking away from people

While all the welfarism seeks to micro divide the pie, America wants to increase the size of the pie

Most people will rather be empowered to take care of themselves rather than want govt to take care of them like they are babies

You can provide your own sources that show the number of homeless per capita
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 3:52pm On Apr 18
basilico:
How do you write checks $18.9B daily for 365 days a year without a watertight system of where the money is going? Shocking .
That is how the left machine gets oiled.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 3:52pm On Apr 18
I can see both sides of the argument grin

A rich person can indulge in their pleasures and still help the less fortunate. Neither of you was in the wrong.

Adam is usually not dvmb but when it came to Trump, a lot of them dumped their common sense.

I think something about supporting a female opposition broke their brains. They couldn’t fathom it.
Therefore a clearly unqualified man was their only choice.

Yet they say they’re logical
DeepSight:
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Interresting!

I remember my only interaction with this fella was years ago when he was arguing with me justifying those who spend absurd millions on random artworks. I think his argument then was that there was financial sense to it as investments. Mine was a bit more on the conscience side of such expenditure in a world with so much poverty and need/ as well as the argument that some of those works were sheer fraud.

It was interesting though.

https://www.nairaland.com/4179140/517-year-old-leonardo-da-vincis-portrait/5#62455950
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 3:53pm On Apr 18
DeepSight:
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It always makes me laugh when people think that one of the greatest fraudsters in history - Trump - is fighting fraud and corruption in the USA.
If he was then he would have been convicted
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 3:55pm On Apr 18
This is why Egypt put up a bigger wall to keep Palestinians out.

Israel is kind enough for these people.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:55pm On Apr 18
raumdeuter:
If he was then he would have been convicted
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Has your memory failed you? Is he not a convict? 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree - is what?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 3:58pm On Apr 18
DeepSight:
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Has your memory failed you? Is he not a convict? 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree - is what?
That was lawfare. Thats why he was able to win elections twice
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:59pm On Apr 18
cococandy:
I can see both sides of the argument grin

A rich person can indulge in their pleasures and still help the less fortunate. Neither of you was in the wrong.

Adam is usually not dvmb but when it came to Trump, a lot of them dumped their common sense.

I think something about supporting a female opposition broke their brains. They couldn’t fathom it.
Therefore a clearly unqualified man was their only choice.

Yet they say they’re logical
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Oh he argued very well, and I had to admit so.

One thing that is scary about the Trump phenomenon is how otherwise intelligent people appear to suddenly throw away their brains for Trumpism and Trumpist hoaxes. I have seen even people I almost revere in terms of intellect succumb to this and it is just dumbfounding.

If LordAdam16 has seen the error of his ways that is a good thing because in my experience it is rare for a Trumpist to ever retrace their steps. The cult-like hold is as hard and fast as those cults where mass suicides occurred.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 3:59pm On Apr 18
benalvino3:
This is why Egypt put up a bigger wall to keep Palestinians out.

Israel is kind enough for these people.

45193069511807454
According to the left, why is Israel preventing itself from attacks and not allowing the Palestinians to kill them
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:01pm On Apr 18
raumdeuter:
That was lawfare. Thats why he was able to win elections twice
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You said if he was a fraud he would have been convicted.
He was convicted.
Period.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 4:02pm On Apr 18
raumdeuter:
According to the left, why is Israel preventing itself from attacks and not allowing the Palestinians to kill them
They love everything that destroys.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 4:04pm On Apr 18
So let’s totally ignore the fact that unqualified yes men were put at the hem of this. With even more unqualified employees whose only criteria of what counts as fraud was if it had black and female attached to it? Let’s move right past that.

Now, which forensic audit into actual fraud did that whole exercise trigger? Zilch.

If anything, it triggered audits into their own conduct of the process. Seeing how illegal the whole thing was.

And how much was saved? Zero. Instead they cost more than they pretended to save.

I’d be a Republican politician too if I wanted people to hoodwink. You guys make it so easy. No thoughts. Just running with every narrative that fits your bias.

basilico:
You don't get to do an audit without accessing relevant data.
The outcry against DOGE was because if not stopped they would have revealed the largest guzzlers of public funds. The ones with the loudest megaphones .
Your treasury pays out $18.9B every day ,it's imperative that payments be reviewed and suggestions made to improve efficiency . Audits are never about catching the thieves ,they are for ensuring that laid down procedures are followed. Eliminating waste is important else it's your children who will suffer in the end
If a significant matter is flagged, then a forensic audit is conducted .

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 4:06pm On Apr 18
This guy is a RaCoons, a racist and a self hating white man loving black person.

Some people don't like the truth at all. Lots of truth in this one

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 4:08pm On Apr 18
He always knew Trump was wrong.

I don’t even think he truly bought the propaganda

He’s just deeply misogynistic and to such people, a terrible man is better than good woman any day.

Let’s have this election again in 2032 after a nuclear war caused by Trump with a quarter of the world dead, and others suffering from a nuclear fallout, Adam will still choose Trump over a woman.

There are some diseases without cure and misogyny is one of them
DeepSight:
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Oh he argued very well, and I had to admit so.

One thing that is scary about the Trump phenomenon is how otherwise intelligent people appear to suddenly throw away their brains for Trumpism and Trumpist hoaxes. I have seen even people I almost revere in terms of intellect succumb to this and it is just dumbfounding.

If LordAdam16 has seen the error of his ways that is a good thing because in my experience it is rare for a Trumpist to ever retrace their steps. The cult-like hold is as hard and fast as those cults where mass suicides occurred.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GracieX3(f): 4:08pm On Apr 18
benalvino3:
Lmao. Standard of living in the UK is comparable to the standard of living in, Zambia 😂😂😂
Say "NO" to drugs.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GracieX3(f): 4:09pm On Apr 18
basilico:
USA deaths since Roe Vs Wade.
huh
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 4:11pm On Apr 18
DeepSight:
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You said if he was a fraud he would have been convicted.
He was convicted.
Period.
He still won the elections twice. Americans chose him twice
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 4:11pm On Apr 18
benalvino3:
They love everything that destroys.
Its why leftism is a mental disease
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:14pm On Apr 18
cococandy:
He always knew Trump was wrong.

I don’t even think he truly bought the propaganda

He’s just deeply misogynistic and to such people, a terrible man is better than good woman any day.

Let’s have this election again in 2032 after a nuclear war caused by Trump with a quarter of the world dead, and others suffering from a nuclear fallout, Adam will still choose Trump over a woman.

There are some diseases without cure and misogyny is one of them
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Misogyny? Thats sad if the case.

On a lighter note, I cannot resist sharing these two artworks and their prices -

https://www.nairaland.com/4179140/517-year-old-leonardo-da-vincis-portrait/6#90543747
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 4:15pm On Apr 18
Emotional post alert:

These kids getting blown up in this war you guys are clamoring for will definitely end up with some form of disability and/or drug addiction in a decade from now. It’s not a case of if, it’s a case of when.

It will happen when the doctors can’t keep them on pain medication forever because their spinal injury left them in permanent pain. Or when they’re battling depression, PTSD and chronic debilitating anxiety that keeps them from holding down a job .

I hope you guys will remember that when the left wing of the day asks for social safety nets for them and those who will be stuck caring for them. I hope your logical minds can think that far.

Let it not up to be this emotional woman to tell you the natural consequences of certain actions taken today by the leaders you support.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 4:15pm On Apr 18
GracieX3:
Say "NO" to drugs.
Kenya is a better country than england
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:15pm On Apr 18
raumdeuter:
He still won the elections twice. Americans chose him twice
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Why are you repeating this as though it was in contention or as though it erases the convictions?
(And it is worthy of note that he only won the popular vote once).

You said if he was a fraud he would have been convicted. He was convicted. Period.
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