₦airaland Forum

WizardOfNG:
@OP.

You want everything free, very cheap or subsidised heavily and even zero tax obligation for life.

Whereas the "desirable life" in the developed nations Nigerians wish to 'Japa' to is underpinned by the concept of everyone, not government alone, paying their way and doing their bit.

If you know anyone in Britain or Germany today, why not call them so they reveal how much of their salary they pay in taxes and bills that goes towards the good infrastructure and safe/secure society they live in?

Previous Government before PBAT were simply weaponising poverty to subdue Nigeria so you are distracted from noting their failure and looting. They were maintaining many Nigerians at a standard lower than even pets enjoy in developed nation.

They give you enough, using numerous subsidies, to eat, transport yourselves around, have sex and procreate, parade substandard degrees that won't ever raise Nigerian civil engineers who can deliver fourth mainland bridge start to finish.

Their ploy is simple. Give Nigerians, unaware of what a fulfilled life should be, everything else that helps them attain the existential basics thus preventing the masses from realising others have it much better elsewhere.

If you want a Nigeria where people can live dignified lives equivalent to that citizens of developed nations enjoy then you will know Tinubu is the real deal as a leader focused on teaching Nigerians how to fish rather than giving them fish.

We prepare enjoyment in subsidy, than sufferness in freedom.

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helinues:
Buy bicycle that won't consume fuel. Having a car is a luxury . How much was minimum wage when the price of fuel in those regime was low, how much is dollar to naira exchange rate?

I really don't know why the opposition and their supporters in Nigeria remain stagnant in their narrations.


Are the price of things across the globe remain the same for decades now. They should stop arguing slow jare

Upon reading your comment, I feel like giving up on Nigeria. You mean having a vehicle is a luxury!!! Even if that's what you use to distribute your finished goods!!! God!!!

Lithiumite:
You were enjoying according to you by eating your tomorrow, what happened to the excess crude account set up by obj, it was drawn down in its entirety so you can be enjoying......gej and his co ordinatingministerfor the economy, the highly respected okonjo iweala were crying tobl high heavens that they were borrowing money to pay salaries and the subsidy regime and nigeria's economic model was unsustainable and it had to go but you didn't care because accordingto you una dey enjoy....now the chicken has come home to roost with nothing left you are now crying.

It took EGYPT 28months, that's less than 3yrs and 39billion dollars to add extra 25,000MW to their power generation.
In a month from now, tinubu will exactly be 3yrs as President and he has borrowed one 30billion dollars in those 3yrs
I ask again, how many megawatts has he added to the national grid?
Where has Tinubu invested over 30billion dollars he has borrowed so far?
Please can u help us point to the sectors.
We want to know

Lithiumite:
You were enjoying according to you by eating your tomorrow, what happened to the excess crude account set up by obj, it was drawn down in its entirety so you can be enjoying......gej and his co ordinatingministerfor the economy, the highly respected okonjo iweala were crying tobl high heavens that they were borrowing money to pay salaries and the subsidy regime and nigeria's economic model was unsustainable and it had to go but you didn't care because accordingto you una dey enjoy....now the chicken has come home to roost with nothing left you are now crying.

It took EGYPT 28months, that's less than 3yrs and 39billion dollars to add extra 25,000MW to their power generation.
In a month from now, tinubu will exactly be 3yrs as President and he has borrowed over 30billion dollars in those 3yrs
I ask again, how many megawatts has he added to the national grid?
Where has Tinubu invested over 30billion dollars he has borrowed so far?
Please can u help us point to the sectors.
We want to know

Scholarforlife:
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Upon reading your comment, I feel like giving up on Nigeria. You mean having a vehicle is a luxury!!! Even if that's what you use to distribute your finished goods!!! God!!!

During Obj era, I can count how many people in my area who had private cars. So how many people was having car then not to talk of affording fuel?

tafabaloo:
It's only a delusional individual that would make such comparison.
Even bride price for igbo land don increase over time.

If his beloved candidate had removed the subsidy as he also promised to, would Rufai be buying at GEJ's price.
Instead of instigating unnecessary tension and resentment against the incumbent, he should used his platform to educate the masses on what led to where we are and make a constructive contribution.

God bless Nigeria!

Even a fool in Nigeria today knows that even if Obi had won and removed subsidy, things can never be this bad!! There must have been an under study if the situation and some cushioning effects before removal!! But thiefnubuu just opened his mouth waaah on his first day in office without anything in place to cushion the effects! An Obi or Atiku wouldn't have been this terrible!

helinues:
Buy bicycle that won't consume fuel. Having a car is a luxury . How much was minimum wage when the price of fuel in those regime was low, how much is dollar to naira exchange rate?

I really don't know why the opposition and their supporters in Nigeria remain stagnant in their narrations.

Are the price of things across the globe remain the same for decades now. They should stop arguing slow jare

Have you buy your own bicycle?
Look at how you sounded, go through this your comment and tell me if you're proud of yourself

Keep supporting a failure

PulaPower:
Mtchew

How many people con get money for 50litres of fuel during Obasanjo, compare to now?

How many people even get the corolla back then, compare to now?

Una go taya..

Toyota corolla under gej was 2.2m. Today it's 7m. Mtchew. Supporters of failure

My nepa unit now cost 70k every month sometimes 78k above minimum wage

OredoPikin:
It took EGYPT 28months, that's less than 3yrs and 39billion dollars to add extra 25,000MW to their power generation.
In a month from now, tinubu will exactly be 3yrs as President and he has borrowed over 30billion dollars in those 3yrs
I ask again, how many megawatts has he added to the national grid?
Where has Tinubu invested over 30billion dollars he has borrowed so far?
Please can u help us point to the sectors.
We want to know

It took egypt about 4 years from conception and planning to actual implementation, tinubu has barely done 3 years and you are comparing him to a govt that had been ruling Egypt since 2014,an authoritarian military govt at that .

Egypt debt to gdp is over 80% while Nigeria is still at 32%.......foreign debt alone is 3 times nigeria's.

helinues:
Buy bicycle that won't consume fuel. Having a car is a luxury . How much was minimum wage when the price of fuel in those regime was low, how much is dollar to naira exchange rate?

I really don't know why the opposition and their supporters in Nigeria remain stagnant in their narrations.

Are the price of things across the globe remain the same for decades now. They should stop arguing slow jare

Na so una go dey defend pple wey no love u... Nawa oo

When doing evaluation, you have to consider some other factors,

As at the time of OBJ, Yar-adua, how many people have the capacity to buy 50litres of fuel compare to number of people that have the capacity to buy 50litres of fuel now.

Mitsurugi:
Can your minimum wage buy a bag of rice?

How much is a bag of rice in the market in Lagos?

Lithiumite:
It took egypt about 4 years from conception and planning to actual implementation, tinubu has barely done 3 years and you are comparing him to a govt that had been ruling Egypt since 2014,an authoritarian military govt at that .

Egypt debt to gdp is over 80% while Nigeria is still at 32%.......foreign debt alone is 3 times nigeria's.

I repeat
It took EGYPT 2yrs and 4months to add 25,000MW to their power generation.
Tinubu has spent 2yrs and 11months as President, how many megawatts has been added to the national grid?
Or if they are still building it, can u tell where and show the picture or video of progress so far?
During the campaign period to 2023 election when Obi went to Egypt to study their power generation, there is nothing u guys didn't say to him. You even went as far as lying to Nigerians that Buhari has already sign deal with same Siemens that built the one of Egypt. U started showing us audio transformers
I ask you again where is the Siemens deal?
where are those transformers?
Are u guys not tired of deceiving your fellow Nigerians with lies and propagandas because of your selfish interest?
Where is the patriotism?
Where is the love for the country?

Tinubu told Nigerians that removing subsidies in every sector will solve our problems
Almost 3yrs counting and there is no hope in sight
We pay for electricity at a very high price and still don't get it
We can no longer afford fuel to run generators
You removed subsidies, one will expect okay, let's just fix electricity issue within this 4yrs so we can at least relieve the pains the citizens are going through
But no, he is telling us if don't see his achievement, we should go and wear eye glasses
What exactly are u guys defending?
How much are they paying u to watch and defend them as they destroy this country ?

socialmediaman:
Tinubu will have a hard time explaining to Nigerians why he pushed them to extreme hardship in the name of reforms, and things keep getting worse and worse

Explanation is for the Sane. Millions of citizens have been brainwashed.

helinues:
Buy bicycle that won't consume fuel. Having a car is a luxury . How much was minimum wage when the price of fuel in those regime was low, how much is dollar to naira exchange rate?

I really don't know why the opposition and their supporters in Nigeria remain stagnant in their narrations.

Are the price of things across the globe remain the same for decades now. They should stop arguing slow jare

It's only people like you who reason straight and objectively without prejudice can comment like this. We all know the reason for increase in the price of per litre of pms, which is the removal of fuel subsidy and this is the same policy every so called seasoned economists has been calling for even the other two top presidential candidates in the last general election also promised to implement if voted for.

Sermwell:
Even a fool in Nigeria today knows that even if Obi had won and removed subsidy, things can never be this bad!! There must have been an under study if the situation and some cushioning effects before removal!! But thiefnubuu just opened his mouth waaah on his first day in office without anything in place to cushion the effects! An Obi or Atiku wouldn't have been this terrible!

What would he have done differently?

OredoPikin:
Which state in particular?
U mean ondo or kogi?😂

He removed subsidies in everything.
Is he not supposed to channel resources to ensure we have constant power supply ?
U want to grow a macro economy without light 🤣
Which school u go?

I didn't go to any school because Bitter finished obi didn't build any school.

I don't engage illiterate like you. Get an eyeglass to see what the FG is doing

Alliswell248:
I didn't go to any school because Bitter finished obi didn't build any school.

I don't engage illiterate like you. Get an eyeglass to see what the FG is doing

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God heal you all from your selfish interest

Sirjamo:
This is how a prominent journalist assess economy in 2026. Very shallow comparison.

Obi and Atiku should campaign with subsidies return. They should promise to reverse all these reforms, I want to check something.

Where did the subsidy money go. Shii, your god promised not to dip us in more debt should we allow him remove subsidy but what do we find today? More gbese.
I'd rather watch paint dry than believe the words of a man without honour. He is at best a hack on the Nigerian people.

Lithiumite:
It took egypt about 4 years from conception and planning to actual implementation, tinubu has barely done 3 years and you are comparing him to a govt that had been ruling Egypt since 2014,an authoritarian military govt at that .

Egypt debt to gdp is over 80% while Nigeria is still at 32%.......foreign debt alone is 3 times nigeria's.

The funny thing is that, the same people complaining most are the most guilty in sabotaging government efforts,go and see them how they behave in their different places of work especially government workers, they are the ones giving Nigeria bad image outside the country through hard drug trafficking, fraud and scam, production of fake and substandard drug and other products.

WizardOfNG:
If you want a Nigeria where people can live dignified lives equivalent to that citizens of developed nations enjoy then you will know Tinubu is the real deal as a leader focused on teaching Nigerians how to fish rather than giving them fish.

^^^
No he isn't.

He doesn't practice what he preaches. That contradiction will haunt and blight his administration till the very end.

WizardOfNG:
Previous Government before PBAT were simply weaponizing poverty to subdue Nigeria so you are distracted from noting their failure and looting. They were maintaining many Nigerians at a standard lower than even pets enjoy in developed nation.

They give you enough, using numerous subsidies, to eat, transport yourselves around, have sex and procreate, parade substandard degrees that won't ever raise Nigerian civil engineers who can deliver fourth mainland bridge start to finish.

^^^
No.

There is little difference between BAT and his predecessors - in terms of development outcomes for the people that BAT and co claim to lead. The weaponization of poverty is still official government policy under BAT - so nothing has changed there - if anything it's even worse now. There are more poor people under BAT than there have ever been in this country - so what are we talking about?

Don't portray BAT as some sort of super-efficient administrator of the economy - because we all know he isn't. You are talking about subsidies? He subsidized the importation of refined PMS products for several months after taking office. He is 'subsidizing' the Naira at the moment. BAT subsidized 2024 Hajj with N90 billion and he is definitely on course to grant similar 'religious pilgrimage' subsidy this year or the next.

Subsidies? Don't go there.

WizardOfNG:
@OP.

You want everything free, very cheap or subsidised heavily and even zero tax obligation for life.

Whereas the "desirable life" in the developed nations Nigerians wish to 'Japa' to is underpinned by the concept of everyone, not government alone, paying their way and doing their bit.

If you know anyone in Britain or Germany today, why not call them so they reveal how much of their salary they pay in taxes and bills that goes towards the good infrastructure and safe/secure society they live in?

^^^
No sir.

It is easy to paint Nigerians as free loading, tax dodging reprobates who want to reap where they didn't sow. But I haven't seen a one sided coin and I'm sure you haven't either.

You talk about European countries and the tax obligations that the ordinary man must meet to keep the 'desirable life' a reality for most of their countrymen...and yes you are right. But you also know that an administration like BAT's wouldn't last 3 weeks in those countries. The spotlight in those countries is searing and it would burn a hole through a BAT administration - like a blowtorch. Those countries have somewhat strong institutions (or stronger than ours, at least) and an administration like BAT's simply wouldn't be able to last more than a few weeks in those places. That's the truth and you know it.

The problem (and we all know) is that BAT and his crew want one sided accountability: they want Nigerians to become tax paying, socially responsible, socially conscious citizens overnight - while government and its agents remain as crooked, sinister, corrupt, opaque and murky as ever. Well, it won't work. This administration doesn't practice what it preaches - and people can see that. The trust deficit is real. This blatant hypocrisy is BAT's weakness on display - and it fully exposes his unwavering belief in prebendalism as a method of 'ordering' and 'organizing' society.

True leaders lead by example - because they know that any so called economic reform (subsidy removal or tax reform or whatever) without public sector reform and institutional reform is a bloody waste of time. You can't clap with one hand!

Alliswell248:
He is yet.
Nigeria didn't start from Obasanjo.

Bitterness won't allow you to see and understand the need for reforms.

Oga sweetness, Need for reforms that you can point to one single benefit to the masses. Reforms that will require borrowing more than the past governments.

He can go back to 2001 nah.

Parachoko:
Why are you not also showing us the Minimum Wage?

You should be fair by also putting the minimum wage alongside the price of fuel

And Nigeria didn't start in 1999.

Why are we not seeing how much it cost under Abdulsalam, Abacha, Shonekan, IBB, Buhari, Shagari, Obasanjo, Muritala etc

did the minimum wage increase by 1,500%?? What is the % increase from 1999 to 2015, that it will get to this point in under 3 years? You really be to dump your brain to defend APC.

Rufai, the traffic defaulter—whether you call him Rufai Saddam Hussein, or Oseni—should understand that fuel subsidy existed before but has now been removed, so he cannot expect things to remain the same. Hatred, envy, and partisan journalism can lead to a lack of logical reasoning.

Parachoko:
Why are you not also showing us the Minimum Wage?

You should be fair by also putting the minimum wage alongside the price of fuel

And Nigeria didn't start in 1999.

Why are we not seeing how much it cost under Abdulsalam, Abacha, Shonekan, IBB, Buhari, Shagari, Obasanjo, Muritala etc

..the minimum wage at those times had more value than the minimum wage of 70k now.. because the naira had value and costs of living was very low, inflation rate was very low..one can even save some money during those times..but the minimum wage now of 70k had no value because the naira has no value.. the costs of living is very high, inflation rate is very high in every sector of the economy, prices of food stuffs, goods , services very high.. cannot save out of the 70 k

OredoPikin:
I ask you again where is the Siemens deal?
where are those transformers?

^^^
Nigerians are asking these questions and they want answers now.

OredoPikin:
I repeat
It took EGYPT 2yrs and 4months to add 25,000MW to their power generation.
Tinubu has spent 2yrs and 11months as President, how many megawatts has been added to the national grid?
Or if they are still building it, can u tell where and show the picture or video of progress so far?
During the campaign period to 2023 election when Obi went to Egypt to study their power generation, there is nothing u guys didn't say to him. You even went as far as lying to Nigerians that Buhari has already sign deal with same Siemens that built the one of Egypt. U started showing us audio transformers
I ask you again where is the Siemens deal?
where are those transformers?
Are u guys not tired of deceiving your fellow Nigerians with lies and propagandas because of your selfish interest?
Where is the patriotism?
Where is the love for the country?

Tinubu told Nigerians that removing subsidies in every sector will solve our problems
Almost 3yrs counting and there is no hope in sight
We pay for electricity at a very high price and still don't get it
We can no longer afford fuel to run generators
You removed subsidies, one will expect okay, let's just fix electricity issue within this 4yrs so we can at least relieve the pains the citizens are going through
But no, he is telling us if don't see his achievement, we should go and wear eye glasses
What exactly are u guys defending?
How much are they paying u to watch and defend them as they destroy this country ?

Nobody has disputed the fact on the duration of the egypt-siemens project.the power project was slready part of the 20year development rolling plan of that country dating back to the mubarak era.....30b was singularly invested into that,egypt doesn't have the kinds of infrastructure challenges we have.......tinubu hasnt borrowed upto that alone.

Nigeria's power problem isnt just about building more plants but more about structural inefficiencies brought about by the 2013 privatisation of the sector..... if thay sector is sorted,the required investment will certainly come in.

Egypt national debt dwarves ours by 300%