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AntiChristian:
You saw a cross that the Jews used to punish criminals and you wept!

He's already inclined before.

So cross is a symbol of Christianity and not idolatry now?

If you like don't accept Christ now, just don't say that nobody told you about Him because I just did. Hell won't be fun, trust me.

AntiChristian:
You saw a cross that the Jews used to punish criminals and you wept!

He's already inclined before.

So cross is a symbol of Christianity and not idolatry now?

While the cross was indeed a Roman tool of execution(not the Jews), the Christian narrative performed a collective psychological "re-framing." By adopting the symbol, the early church stripped the Roman Empire of its power to terrify.

We took a symbol of absolute shame and re-coded it as a symbol of absolute love. From a psychological standpoint, this is the peak triumph over trauma; turning the weapon of the oppressor into the our shield as believers.

Unlike atheist and Muslims alike, we don’t hold unto grudges from the past, but use the victories over our pains as a symbol of hope to the future generations.

KobolanderSegun:
As a one time hardcore atheist I know with 1,000 certainty that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Any one who claims God has no son does not even know God. If you read even the Torah it says " and the son's of God came to meet God " Angels are called Sons of God. If we are called Children of God, Then that men's God is our Father, that means men are sons of God and Women are daughters of God. # "Sons of God" in the Old Testament

The phrase **"Sons of God"** (Hebrew: *bene elohim* / *bene ha-elohim*) appears in the following Old Testament passages:

## Exact Occurrences of *bene ha-elohim* ("the sons of God"

- **Genesis 6:2** – "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."
- **Genesis 6:4** – "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..."
- **Job 1:6** – "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."
- **Job 2:1** – "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD."

## Related Phrase (without the definite article)

- **Job 38:7** – "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." (Hebrew: *bene elohim*)

## Textually Variant Passage

- **Deuteronomy 32:8** – The Masoretic Text reads "according to the number of the sons of Israel," but the Dead Sea Scrolls (4QDtj, 4QDtq) and the Septuagint read "according to the number of the sons of God" (*bene elohim* / "angels of God". Many scholars consider the "sons of God" reading to be the original.

## Closely Related Expressions

- **Psalm 29:1** – "Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty (*bene elim* – 'sons of the mighty' or 'heavenly beings'), give unto the LORD glory and strength."
- **Psalm 89:6** – "For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty (*bene elim*) can be likened unto the LORD?"
- **Psalm 82:6** – "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High (*bene elyon* – 'sons of the Most High')."
- **Daniel 3:25** (Aramaic) – King Nebuchadnezzar describes a fourth figure in the fiery furnace as having a form "like the Son of God" (*bar elahin*).

## Summary Count

- **Exact phrase *bene ha-elohim* ("the sons of God":** 4 occurrences (Genesis 6:2, 6:4; Job 1:6, 2:1)
- **Phrase *bene elohim* (without article):** 1 occurrence (Job 38:7)
- **Deuteronomy 32:8:** "Sons of God" appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint, but not in the standard Masoretic Text
- **Related phrases (*bene elim*, *bene elyon*, *bar elahin*):** 4 additional passages with similar theological concepts

## Interpretive Notes

The identity of the "Sons of God" has been debated throughout Jewish and Christian history. Three primary interpretations exist:

1. **Angelic beings** – This view is supported by the usage in Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7, where the "sons of God" appear in God's heavenly court. Many ancient Jewish sources and early Church Fathers held this view for Genesis 6 as well.

2. **Descendants of Seth** – The godly line of Seth intermarrying with the ungodly line of Cain. This interpretation became popular among later Rabbinic writers and some Christian theologians seeking to avoid the idea of angels marrying humans.

3. **Ancient kings or rulers** – Human leaders who claimed divine status or exercised tyrannical power, a view held by some modern scholars.

Most modern scholars note that in the **Book of Job**, the context strongly suggests angelic beings, while **Genesis 6** remains more contested. The phrase consistently denotes beings with a special relationship to God, whether heavenly or (in some interpretations) exceptionally endowed humans.

> "The term 'sons of God,' in Hebrew, is *bene elohim*. It is used five times in the Old Testament (twice in Genesis 6, and once each in Job 1, Job 2, and Job 38)."

So Jesus Christ calling himself the Son Of God was nothing New, but to the spiritually blind it was a sign of Blasphemy.

Thank you for this

Well, good for him

AntiChristian:
You saw a cross that the Jews used to punish criminals and you wept!

He's already inclined before.

So cross is a symbol of Christianity and not idolatry now?

Because Jesus Christ himself commanded it literally not as object of worship but of significance.

𝑴𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒘 10:38 𝑬𝑺𝑽
𝑨𝒏𝒅 𝒘𝒉𝒐𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓 𝒅𝒐𝒆𝒔 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒕𝒂𝒌𝒆 𝒉𝒊𝒔 𝗖𝗥𝗢𝗦𝗦 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒇𝒐𝒍𝒍𝒐𝒘 𝒎𝒆 𝒊𝒔 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒘𝒐𝒓𝒕𝒉𝒚 𝒐𝒇 𝒎𝒆.

He didn’t see a flat earth abi?

Axis313:
Cross was a tool used by the Romans to torture criminals, the same cross is now seen as the religion symbol of some people.

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If only you understand the choice of cross for the crucifixion of Christ.

Abraham Lincoln's words come to life: "I can understand how men can look down the earth and say there's no God, but I cannot understand how anyone can look up to the skies and say there's no God."

Another common saying:
When people first encounter natural sciences, they do so as atheist,
But as they dig deeper, at the very bottom of the discipline, God awaits.

That explains why most of the brightest scientist, the ones who have discovered theories and changes the course of science are people of deep faith, not photo-ops scientists like degrasse

And then there's the insignificant tiktok content creator, who started earning dollars and suddenly finds their voice in abusing everything sacred. The fools say in their hearts, there's no God.

AntiChristian:
You saw a cross that the Jews used to punish criminals and you wept!

He's already inclined before.

So cross is a symbol of Christianity and not idolatry now?

Yes, for our sake, Christ was made a criminal. And via that Cross used to crucify criminals, God made Him both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:14)

It wasn't the intention of the Creator of the universe to have Christ die honourably. Every prophecy concerning Christ's death spoke of his death as a criminal. Spoke of the death with scourge. Christ wasn't to die honourably. And in his dishonour, we all got honoured. We share in his death so that we can be kings (honourable) and priests (holy).

sweetkev:
Thank you for this

You're very welcome,

Even Mohammed acknowledged himself as an evil person. What else are you explaining. Ogaoo

thrillionaire:
Did he tell you he was ever a Muslim? Reverted kii you there.

Just observing the evil and pains Islam brings to this world—the terrorism and wickedness.. if I was a Muhammadian, I'll be thoroughly ashamed.

Without Christianity which is love, I'd rather worship a cow 🐄

Ps. Just days ago we witnessed an islamic imam brazingly calling for a pastor be slaughtered and promised to pay 2 million naira for the murder.

An islamic muhammadian.

Never have we seen a pastor do such.

Pissful religion can't compare to loving religion. Never.

That is the Truth.

amoco:
The Romans crucified criminals on the cross and it later became a symbol of torture, pains and humiliation. Nothing changed from that perspective except that Jesus Christ of Nazareth was also crucified on the cross, humiliated and buried thereafter. He rose again from the dead.

Christianity identifies with the cross because of Jesus of Nazareth. It didn't remove the suffering associated with the cross. They identify with the cross as the painful object Jesus died on to save the world from sin.

Atheists and skeptics also know the cross is a symbol of pain and suffering. They also repeat the clause " to carry one's cross" after Jesus said everyone needs to carry their cross....

Nobody like Jesus, before Jesus Nobody, After Jesus Nobody. Still Millennia ahead of the world in terms of thinking. Igwe

MrPresident1:
It will be very good for humanity. Islam is not the problem, Islam is the cure.

Western civilization which Christianity is it's religion, and, is one of the vehicles for it's purveying, is the problem.

Your sense of humor is world class. You should go into comedy

MrPresident1:
Islam has been the only bulwark against the complete takeover of the world by the forces of evil. Western civilization is the source of all the evil in the world and it is in an existential struggle for the soul of the world with Islam. Assuming that western civilization wins, which will never happen, then the earth is done for.

Islam will overcome and it has already overcome. New York city which is the economic financial and cultural centre of western civilization which the head is America is now a fully Islamic city and will be so forever. The light that now shins from the statue of Liberty is the light of Islam beckoning to the world to come to the knowledge of truth.

Islam is closer to what the Apostles preached than the Roman religion of Christianity

They a not poles apart..... They are Universes apart. If I speak the truth spambot will give me 50 years.

MrPresident1:
He made the wrong call. He should have reverted to Islam.

To become a terrorist like you?

It is only a fool claiming to be wise that says in his heart there is no God. It even requires more faith to be an atheist than a Christian. How can you believe that birds develop wings because they have the need and not that God gave them wings

MrPresident1:
He made the wrong call. He should have reverted to Islam.

He is not interested in sleeping with a 9 year-old girl or snatching his adopted son's wife. That system is just a religion but not a way to salvation. He knew what he saw he saw which shaped his decision. You didn't see what you saw so you shouldn't be the one to recommend for him.

Axis313:
Cross was a tool used by the Romans to torture criminals, the same cross is now seen as the religion symbol of some people.

Lols! Do they worship the cross? No. The cross is just a symbol of the death of Jesus. It has not replaced Jesus.

Amotolongbo:
Does Saudi Arabian monarch know about this your claim?

Moreover, If Islam is good for humanity, please pack yourself go any of the Arabian countries.

he will never wish to stay in islamic countries, he will prefer to go to America a Christian country, but will be wishing America to be destroyed.

Axis313:
Cross was a tool used by the Romans to torture criminals, the same cross is now seen as the religion symbol of some people.

The cross is not just a symbol in the Church but a sacramental that signifies the suffering of Christ. In other words, it's more than a symbol but a true reflection of the of the journey of towards our Salvation.

jesusjnr2020:
Atheist Artemis II commander Converts To Christianity After Trip To Moon

The Artemis II commander, Reid Wiseman, who was said to be a self-confessed atheist, said after returning from his trip to the moon, despite not being a religious person, he had no other avenue to express what they had seen and experienced in space, so he asked for the Navy chaplain to visit them, and despite never seeing the man before, when the man came and he saw the cross on his collar, he broke down and wept:

Watch video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WpUa8eOd98?si=YS5gUA53wmMbdwAr

No wonder the Bible said it's only a fool that said there's no God

Go up the mountain and down the valley
The creation is an evidence of a creator

MrPresident1:
Islam has been the only bulwark against the complete takeover of the world by the forces of evil. Western civilization is the source of all the evil in the world and it is in an existential struggle for the soul of the world with Islam. Assuming that western civilization wins, which will never happen, then the earth is done for.

Islam will overcome and it has already overcome. New York city which is the economic financial and cultural centre of western civilization which the head is America is now a fully Islamic city and will be so forever. The light that now shins from the statue of Liberty is the light of Islam beckoning to the world to come to the knowledge of truth.

Islam is closer to what the Apostles preached than the Roman religion of Christianity

Lol

jesusjnr2020:
I recently said that the best proof of the Creator existence is His creation.

This atheist turned believer after returning from the moon fly by, has just proven and confirmed that saying as true.

It only took for him to see the magnificence of the creation, to realize that it couldn't have possibly come into existence without a Creator.

I also remember when Victor Glover, the Artemis II pilot, had finished preaching on the space craft, this same man, Reid Wiseman, who was on the far right, had reached out his hands to him in acknowledgment of what he just said, therefore not really surprised that he later acknowledged it himself, and started weeping in adoration of the Creator, after seeing a Christian cross, because he was already on his way to the cross.

https://www.nairaland.com/8650219/artemis-ii-pilot-victor-glover

The creation of God go humble you even an atheist.

God bless.

I recently said that the best proof of the Creator existence is His creation.

If God does not exist, we cannot exist

The post on Nairaland is a misleading exaggeration of what actually happened. It's circulating widely on social media (Instagram, Facebook, X, etc.) with dramatic titles like "Atheist Converts to Christianity After Moon Trip," but fact-checkers like Snopes have rated the conversion claim as false.82b3b3

What Reid Wiseman actually said
In the post-mission NASA press conference (after Artemis II's lunar flyby), Wiseman described an emotional moment upon returning to the recovery ship:
He said he's "not really a religious person".
The experience of space was so overwhelming that he had "no other avenue" to process or explain it.
He asked to see the Navy chaplain (whom he'd never met).
When the chaplain walked in and he saw the cross on his collar, Wiseman broke down in tears.

He found it hard to fully grasp what they'd been through. That's the real clip — it's touching and shows how profound the view of Earth from space (the "overview effect" can be for many astronauts, often stirring awe, humility, or existential questions.

But he did not:
Call himself an atheist in the quote.
Announce any conversion to Christianity.
Say "there is no other explanation" in a way that proves God or faith (viral versions add or twist words).

Many Christian accounts and pages have amplified it into a full "atheist-to-believer" testimony, which makes for powerful sharing but isn't accurate to his words. Wiseman has described himself as non-religious before, and there's no public statement from him about becoming a Christian.

MrPresident1:
Islam has been the only bulwark against the complete takeover of the world by the forces of evil. Western civilization is the source of all the evil in the world and it is in an existential struggle for the soul of the world with Islam. Assuming that western civilization wins, which will never happen, then the earth is done for.

Islam will overcome and it has already overcome. New York city which is the economic financial and cultural centre of western civilization which the head is America is now a fully Islamic city and will be so forever. The light that now shins from the statue of Liberty is the light of Islam beckoning to the world to come to the knowledge of truth.

Islam is closer to what the Apostles preached than the Roman religion of Christianity

Your Islam already has 100% of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia etc why are you not proud of them? It's prosperous cities already buit by the Western civilisation that's entry your eyes, so that you can bomb them into stoneage with your backward and archaic religion ideology. No way!

MrPresident1:
He made the wrong call. He should have reverted to Islam.

Islam is a religion of lies and deception.

Islam is a copy copy reliiligion. The man who formed your religion lied about getting revelation from Angel Gabriel. No angel Gabriel appeared to him.

Muslims know that their religion is fake and that's why they want to kpai anyone that challenges Islam

MrPresident1:
Islam has been the only bulwark against the complete takeover of the world by the forces of evil. Western civilization is the source of all the evil in the world and it is in an existential struggle for the soul of the world with Islam. Assuming that western civilization wins, which will never happen, then the earth is done for.

Islam will overcome and it has already overcome. New York city which is the economic financial and cultural centre of western civilization which the head is America is now a fully Islamic city and will be so forever. The light that now shins from the statue of Liberty is the light of Islam beckoning to the world to come to the knowledge of truth.

Islam is closer to what the Apostles preached than the Roman religion of Christianity

Look at ur self delusion so because new york city elected a muslim that automatically makes the city a fully islamic city? Where are the sharia laws in the laws of new york to back it up as a muslim city? This is why some western countries are banning and restricting anything that has to do with ur islamic religion because u guys always go overboard once u are given the opportunity. No city in the US will ever become a fully islamic city the Christian grounded US constitution has made sure that will never happen until jesus comes so you jihadists better go change that constitution first before ever dreaming of turning any city in the US to an islamic one america is a free country where anyone irrespective of tribe or religion can end up becoming anything if he or she works hard enough for it so don't get too excited because one of ur kind is now elected a mayor in new york city same way ur muslim brother became a mayor is also the same way a buddhist can also rise one day to be elected in that same position nothing too special about it.

I have no problem in him believing in existence of God Nd the religion he choose to be practice but where I'm confused for him is how he chooses his faith. As an Atheist I bliv if u are convinced about God existence then Ur believe should be neutral and what next to do is to seek knowledge about thousands of religion on earth. u can't just said I'm an atheist and now I bliv In God so I choose Christianity or islam or Judaism. infact Islam forbid that bcus the first pillar of Islam is that u have to seek knowledge, know Ur creator before u worship him. All the best for him though

MrPresident1:
He made the wrong call. He should have reverted to Islam.

To do what? Did he tell you that he saw your imaginary 72 virgins in space

thrillionaire:
Even at that... Go and see who the real monsters of slave trade were.. the islamic Arabs.

Till date, they have refused to stop slavery.

If the world was barbaric in time past but have become civilised now, why wouldn't Islam reform and embrace peace like others? You can't say you're the religion of peace but your character says it's a religion of piss.

First, you are moving goal post because we are talking about killings here. However, I will indulge you. You are attempting to downplay the evil of colonialism and transatlantic slave trade because you want to compare it with the Trans Sahara slave trade. How convenient do you think moving large amount of people through the Sahara is compared to moving people through the sea?. At least, the Arabs have laws guiding slavery. They still consider them as humans not products.
Where in the Arab world is slavery still occurring? If you are referring to pimping and trafficking, have you looked at south America and eastern europe?. What do you think epstein is all about?. If Africans choose to go slave (condition) in another country, it is their choice. What is the difference between slavery in the Arab world and the skilled workers immigration approach in the west? Have you seen any Chinese or European complained of being held to a slave condition in the Arab countries? At least the Arabs are not the ones compelling the whole world to trade through them influencing every country's decisions. How many people died in Vietnam and Honduras simply because they wanted to raise the price of Bananas. Every Central American states are basically slaves to the US but its okay since they are not Muslims. We have Cuba, Venezuela etc. It is justifiable right? Because the west can do not wrong. What we as Africans need to do is simply find solution to our security challenges without external influence. Prosecute the perpetrators regardless of who they are or who they worship. The challenges have nothing to do with religion or tribe. It is simply people's greed and interests.

olabrad:
Islam is a religion of lies and deception.

Islam is a copy copy reliiligion. The man who formed your religion lied about getting revelation from Angel Gabriel. No angel Gabriel appeared to him.

Muslims know that their religion is fake and that's why they want to kpai anyone that challenges Islam

You dont believe Mohammed, but you believed Paul. Weird.