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KobolanderSegun:
As a one time hardcore atheist I know with 1,000 certainty that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Any one who claims God has no son does not even know God. If you read even the Torah it says " and the son's of God came to meet God " Angels are called Sons of God. If we are called Children of God, Then that men's God is our Father, that means men are sons of God and Women are daughters of God. # "Sons of God" in the Old Testament

The phrase **"Sons of God"** (Hebrew: *bene elohim* / *bene ha-elohim*) appears in the following Old Testament passages:

## Exact Occurrences of *bene ha-elohim* ("the sons of God"

- **Genesis 6:2** – "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."
- **Genesis 6:4** – "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..."
- **Job 1:6** – "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."
- **Job 2:1** – "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD."

## Related Phrase (without the definite article)

- **Job 38:7** – "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." (Hebrew: *bene elohim*)

## Textually Variant Passage

- **Deuteronomy 32:8** – The Masoretic Text reads "according to the number of the sons of Israel," but the Dead Sea Scrolls (4QDtj, 4QDtq) and the Septuagint read "according to the number of the sons of God" (*bene elohim* / "angels of God". Many scholars consider the "sons of God" reading to be the original.

## Closely Related Expressions

- **Psalm 29:1** – "Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty (*bene elim* – 'sons of the mighty' or 'heavenly beings'), give unto the LORD glory and strength."
- **Psalm 89:6** – "For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty (*bene elim*) can be likened unto the LORD?"
- **Psalm 82:6** – "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High (*bene elyon* – 'sons of the Most High')."
- **Daniel 3:25** (Aramaic) – King Nebuchadnezzar describes a fourth figure in the fiery furnace as having a form "like the Son of God" (*bar elahin*).

## Summary Count

- **Exact phrase *bene ha-elohim* ("the sons of God":** 4 occurrences (Genesis 6:2, 6:4; Job 1:6, 2:1)
- **Phrase *bene elohim* (without article):** 1 occurrence (Job 38:7)
- **Deuteronomy 32:8:** "Sons of God" appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint, but not in the standard Masoretic Text
- **Related phrases (*bene elim*, *bene elyon*, *bar elahin*):** 4 additional passages with similar theological concepts

## Interpretive Notes

The identity of the "Sons of God" has been debated throughout Jewish and Christian history. Three primary interpretations exist:

1. **Angelic beings** – This view is supported by the usage in Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7, where the "sons of God" appear in God's heavenly court. Many ancient Jewish sources and early Church Fathers held this view for Genesis 6 as well.

2. **Descendants of Seth** – The godly line of Seth intermarrying with the ungodly line of Cain. This interpretation became popular among later Rabbinic writers and some Christian theologians seeking to avoid the idea of angels marrying humans.

3. **Ancient kings or rulers** – Human leaders who claimed divine status or exercised tyrannical power, a view held by some modern scholars.

Most modern scholars note that in the **Book of Job**, the context strongly suggests angelic beings, while **Genesis 6** remains more contested. The phrase consistently denotes beings with a special relationship to God, whether heavenly or (in some interpretations) exceptionally endowed humans.

> "The term 'sons of God,' in Hebrew, is *bene elohim*. It is used five times in the Old Testament (twice in Genesis 6, and once each in Job 1, Job 2, and Job 38)."

So Jesus Christ calling himself the Son Of God was nothing New, but to the spiritually blind it was a sign of Blasphemy.

You believe in the Bible and the Torah.. good
Tell me, if your colonizer had been Ifa followers with a perfect historical text of Ifas corpus detailing the creation of the world and the activities of oduduwa nad orunmila.
Also, if they had been the the global leaders and promoted thes through education and half of the world currently speaks Yoruba.
What fence of the argument will you be?

Harnny:
keep saying that to convince yourself. Each to his own believe. I will not tarnish someone else's believe to win a cheap argument, be it Christian, Jews, Bhuddist or Hindus. The original argument was never about the validity of religion, it was about the attrocities of those who practiced it but since you lost that argument, you chose to move the goals always. No man alive can bear witness to any of these accounts and no African has any business defending any Abrahamic religion as they have been nothing but wicked to us.

Oga, go and do research about Islam and stop referring to valid points as "trying to convince myself".

Qur'an actually called Paul a true messenger. Your lmams and alfas will never tell you this truth and you too will never carry out personal research since you never read Quran by yourself! You only rely on information you get from alfas, imams and those lazy deceptive dawah gandists on TikTok, Facebook, etc!

Go and read about how muhamed received his socalled revelations in Cave Hira and ask yourself very important questions about this thing you call a religion.

Carry out research by yourself and stop following a religion blindly!

olabrad:
Oga, go and do research about Islam and stop referring to valid points as "trying to convince myself".

Qur'an actually called Paul a true messenger. Your lmams and alfas will never tell you this truth and you too will never carry out personal research since you never read Quran by yourself! You only rely on information you get from alfas, imams and those lazy deceptive dawah gandists on TikTok, Facebook, etc!

Go and read about how muhamed received his socalled revelations in Cave Hira and ask yourself very important questions about this thing you call a religion.

Carry out research by yourself and stop following a religion blindly!

I repeat, I will never tarnish someone else beliefs. To you is your believe and to me is mine.
You validate Pauls stand with the Islamic point of view but rubbish everything else, thats your cup of tea.
Like I said, If you want to have a discussion on the amount of deaths and destructions perpetrated by each religion practitioners, I am more than ready to indulge you as that we can discuss with statistics and modern history. I am not ready to make references to a book neither you nor I can bear witness to its source.

It is not the eyes that is blind... but the mind.

MrPresident1:
Islam has been the only bulwark against the complete takeover of the world by the forces of evil. Western civilization is the source of all the evil in the world and it is in an existential struggle for the soul of the world with Islam. Assuming that western civilization wins, which will never happen, then the earth is done for.

Islam will overcome and it has already overcome. New York city which is the economic financial and cultural centre of western civilization which the head is America is now a fully Islamic city and will be so forever. The light that now shins from the statue of Liberty is the light of Islam beckoning to the world to come to the knowledge of truth.

Islam is closer to what the Apostles preached than the Roman religion of Christianity

Western civilization is the source of evil........
You lack what to say.
Islamic Jihadists that has almost wiped off the entire Northern Nigeria and her people that you are trying to paint in white like this?
Your ways are against humanity.

How can a piece of wood makes you break down when there are countless natural signs in the universe.......that astronaut who just took the longest journey to the far side of the moon must be sick.

Though he has rejected how the Christians are interpreting it.

Harnny:
I repeat, I will never tarnish someone else beliefs.

So, if I say something true about someone, it means I'm tarnishing that person, right?!

To you is your believe and to me is mine.

You just quoted Quran chapters 109:6, which was recorded when Muhammad was looking for more members to join him as Muslims in mecca before he acquired an army.

He later received medinian "revelations" that comanded Muslims to fight against anyone that is not a Muslim! His medinian (violent) "revelations" came after bro has built a army.

Research Islam by yourself and reason things out!

You validate Pauls stand with the Islamic point of view but rubbish everything else, thats your cup of tea.

Paul doesn't need Islam's standard to stand out as a true messenger of Jesus Christ. I only showed you what your own book said about him when you mentioned him. Paul is a million times better than Muhammad in character and reliability!

Like I said, If you want to have a discussion on the amount of deaths and destructions perpetrated by each religion practitioners, I am more than ready to indulge you as that we can discuss with statistics and modern history. I am not ready to make references to a book neither you nor I can bear witness to its source.

Show me where any group of Christians gather to commit murder for Jesus the same way Muslims gather to commit murder for Allah. I challenge you to show me those statistics!

Why don't you want to refer to any book?! Is it because you know that your Quran is full of violent laws agaiinst Jeiws, Christians and other religions?!

It is not the eyes that is blind... but the mind.

Yeah. If the mind is not blind, you will carry out in-depth research about Islam and everything muhamed claimed in your book. For example, Muhammad claimed that Abraham built Kaaba. If the mind is not blind, you'll research to find out if this claim is true or not!

Muhammad also claimed that Jesus didn't die. You'll research if this claim is true if the mind is not blind!!!

So, you shot yourself in the leg!

Islam is so roten that any truth spoken about it is seen as tarnishing or attack!

ALFADOS:
Now I know who you are, no waste my time

So Alfa you are clueless?
So you make a claim without evidence?
So you don't even know Islam?
Shame on you... you are a disgrace to your deen...or is it that your deen is a lie?

Come to Yasu Al massih the saviour... Al Rahmon the merciful who died on the cross ...


If I die today my good works are nothing
Al Rabb will judge sin
And only the Personality I offended can give the Al furqan ( criterion) of how He will forgive me... for my salvation the Holy ONE that deserves all praises H-M-D was sent to die for me that is why he is the AL MASSIH

Hallelujah 🙌 to the king of Kings, IBN ELAHA( son of God)


I am sure of my Salvation in YASU AL MASSIH ( Jesus Christ) if I die today

olabrad:
So, if I say something true about someone, it means I'm tarnishing that person, right?!



You just quoted Quran chapters 109:6, which was recorded when Muhammad was looking for more members to join him as Muslims in mecca before he acquired an army.

He later received medinian "revelations" that comanded Muslims to fight against anyone that is not a Muslim! His medinian (violent) "revelations" came after bro has built a army.

Research Islam by yourself and reason things out!



Paul doesn't need Islam's standard to stand out as a true messenger of Jesus Christ. I only showed you what your own book said about him when you mentioned him. Paul is a million times better than Muhammad in character and reliability!



Show me where any group of Christians gather to commit murder for Jesus the same way Muslims gather to commit murder for Allah. I challenge you to show me those statistics!

Why don't you want to refer to any book?! Is it because you know that your Quran is full of violent laws agaiinst Jeiws, Christians and other religions?!



Yeah. If the mind is not blind, you will carry out in-depth research about Islam and everything muhamed claimed in your book. For example, Muhammad claimed that Abraham built Kaaba. If the mind is not blind, you'll research to find out if this claim is true or not!

Muhammad also claimed that Jesus didn't die. You'll research if this claim is true if the mind is not blind!!!

So, you shot yourself in the leg!

Islam is so roten that any truth spoken about it is seen as tarnishing or attack!

If you devout as much energy as you do researching the Quran to the Bible, maybe you will focus less on others belief and more on yours.

You have claimed to be a researcher, why not focus on strengthening your belief in the Bible and ensuring it is devoid of any contradiction. Why focus on Islam. This is the problem of many. You really do not worry about Judaism disbelieve or total rejection of Jesus as much as you worry about Islams half belief in your position.

You think saying the core individual conveyor of a belief system was talking to a devil is not an attack?
You think it is reasonable to start with that then have anyone engage you in a reasonable conversation?.
You are obviously rage baiting and I will not stoop low to your level.

For someone who does a lot of research, you definitely did not read about the crusades.

Again, if you want to discuss the fatalities committed by the followers of each believe systems with verifiable modern historical facts, you are more than welcome. I am not here to discuss the validity of religions.

You do not belief in the validity of my book nor I yours, so what is there to discuss?

Now Atheist must go on a trip to the moon before they convert to Christianity

Harnny:
You believe in the Bible and the Torah.. good
Tell me, if your colonizer had been Ifa followers with a perfect historical text of Ifas corpus detailing the creation of the world and the activities of oduduwa nad orunmila.
Also, if they had been the the global leaders and promoted thes through education and half of the world currently speaks Yoruba.
What fence of the argument will you be?

Thank you very much for your kind contribution to the topic. I hope you had a good rest for the week ahead. Sorry to say but first of All , I am own my own. If you are Yoruba we are not brothers. If you are my brother from the same parents it means Zero to me. I have no time for Ifa I do not even have time for Jesus Followers. Who is Ifa to me ? I'd rather worship Victor Osimhen than some dead god. I have no time for traditional beliefs. And why should I it is not because Oyinbo has brainwashed me. I do not go to Church and have not done so for 25 years. I'm a hardcore realist and I don't have the time for sme sme. Alot of Christianity around the world is a scam either a scam for financial benefits . They say " Don't Forsake the Gathering of believers " but if that gathering is fake I do not have time for it.

MrPresident1:
He made the wrong call. He should have reverted to Islam.

So that he can become a suicide bomber right

MrPresident1:
He made the wrong call. He should have reverted to Islam.

To Islam that irrupted 600 years after the death of Yeshua😂😂😂 😹

All glory to the Almighty for this new soul Ameb

Harnny:
If you devout as much energy as you do researching the Quran to the Bible, maybe you will focus less on others belief and more on yours.

Actually before now, I took no interest in Islam untill the likes of Yusuf adepoju took it upon himself to starts attacking Christianity UNPROVOKED! I also learned that Yusuf had been doing the nonsense for 30 years!

So, I too started researching Christianity, Islam and even Judaism. Then I realized that Islam is a false religion pretending to be a abrahamic religion! There is nothing abrahamic about Islam!!!

Try and do research about the reliigion by yourself! However, I doibt if you will ever research about Islam

You have claimed to be a researcher, why not focus on strengthening your belief in the Bible and ensuring it is devoid of any contradiction. Why focus on Islam. This is the problem of many. You really do not worry about Judaism disbelieve or total rejection of Jesus as much as you worry about Islams half belief in your position.

If you research properly from the Bible by yourself instead of living on what you see on TikTok, Facebook, etc, you would have seen all the reasons why the Jews rejected Jesus. And these reasons would have made you believe in Jesus Christ. .

But I know you'll never do any research!

You think saying the core individual conveyor of a belief system was talking to a devil is not an attack?
You think it is reasonable to start with that then have anyone engage you in a reasonable conversation?.
You are obviously rage baiting and I will not stoop low to your level.

If you made such a claim about my belief, I would have gone to find out if it is true or not. I challenge you too to go and find out if what I said about Muhammad is true or not. It is a statement of fact that Muhammad encountered a demon in the cave, not Angel Gabriel!

Research on Islam and stop being an uninformed follower.

For someone who does a lot of research, you definitely did not read about the crusades.

Any sincere student of history will know that The crusades, by The Crusaders was in response to the invasion and murderous activities of Muslims. Meuslims were invading Christian lands through north Africa and Europe, which prompted the establishment of the Crusaders to push back the Muslims!

You can't change history! If you Muslims didn't invade Christian lands, The Crusaders wouldn't have come up!

Again, if you want to discuss the fatalities committed by the followers of each believe systems with verifiable modern historical facts, you are more than welcome. I am not here to discuss the validity of religions.

Again, I challenge you to provide those verifiable modern historical facts that says Christians form groups to attack people for Christ the same way Muslim groups kpai people for Allah!

You do not belief in the validity of my book nor I yours, so what is there to discuss?

But your religion founder copied the contents of my book and lied that he got revelation .

Even your founder said he believed in my book. Your Quran even said gospel is true!

You just prove that you don't know anything about Quran. You don't read Quran by yourself. You just swallow any dawah propaganda you watch on Facebook, etc.


Do personal research, you will not hear

Alllllah is different from YHiWH, yet all the people in your book are people of YHiWH copies from my book.

geoworldedu:
Lies everywhere

Christians will create a story in their heads and pass it on orally from generation to generation. If only the bible is allowed to be edited continuously, this lies would have percolated into it

The OP Jesusjnr2020 is a known Christian propagandist on Nairaland. I came to post this and debunk his lie but you beat me to it. Christianity is built on lies and deceit and that is its root

LordReed:
Where did he confess to be an atheist? Saying "I am not really religious" doesn't mean atheist.

He never even confessed to being a Christian. The lies are propagated by Christians, especially your friend Jesusjnr2020

BlackfireX:
So you have read the Bible and you came to this conclusion



Now show me 1 lie in the bible?

Please think we'll before you answer
Don't panic

There's many lies.... the one that pops into my head now is this...Did the sun and moon stand still? Also was there mass resurrection?

jaephoenix:
He never even confessed to being a Christian. The lies are propagated by Christians, especially your friend Jesusjnr2020

They think that only their god can give profound experiences. I have tears listening or reading some times, I guess he'd say I have become a Christian too. LoLz.

BlackfireX:
So Alfa you are clueless?
So you make a claim without evidence?
So you don't even know Islam?
Shame on you... you are a disgrace to your deen...or is it that your deen is a lie?

Come to Yasu Al massih the saviour... Al Rahmon the merciful who died on the cross ...


If I die today my good works are nothing
Al Rabb will judge sin
And only the Personality I offended can give the Al furqan ( criterion) of how He will forgive me... for my salvation the Holy ONE that deserves all praises H-M-D was sent to die for me that is why he is the AL MASSIH

Hallelujah 🙌 to the king of Kings, IBN ELAHA( son of God)


I am sure of my Salvation in YASU AL MASSIH ( Jesus Christ) if I die today

Disgusting

LordReed:
They think that only their god can give profound experiences. I have tears listening or reading some times, I guess he'd say I have become a Christian too. LoLz.

I had this debate with a reverend the other day. He started talking about this 'experience' and thus god exists. I told him those profound experiences can happen in mental diseases and psychedelic drugs. Mental diseases like schizophrenia etc can cause one to hallucinate. Also psychoactive drugs like LSD,molly etc has that effect. Also some people especially women have such,example i know u have seen girls jump up and down and some faint,while in concerts like Michael Jackson's. I asked him how he can distinguish 'heavenly experiences' from mental,physical and psychedelic experiences. He couldnt reply me

jaephoenix:
I had this debate with a reverend the other day. He started talking about this 'experience' and thus god exists. I told him those profound experiences can happen in mental diseases and psychedelic drugs. Mental diseases like schizophrenia etc can cause one to hallucinate. Also psychoactive drugs like LSD,molly etc has that effect. Also some people especially women have such,example i know u have seen girls jump up and down and some faint,while in concerts like Michael Jackson's. I asked him how he can distinguish 'heavenly experiences' from mental,physical and psychedelic experiences. He couldnt reply me

That's a good one.

ALFADOS:
Disgusting

so you have no answer?

shame shame shame

jaephoenix:
There's many lies.... the one that pops into my head now is this...Did the sun and moon stand still? Also was there mass resurrection?

Please habibi be serious and don't act confused

Ask a question..

Did the sun and moon stand still? From which contextual meaning or verse...and what is the reason why you asked it?


Mass resurrection? From where who when? Are you saying nothing like resurrection?


Please I know you went to school...don't disgrace your teacher .....shuoooo

Bleiz:
Yes, for our sake, Christ was made a criminal. And via that Cross used to crucify criminals, God made Him both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:14)

It wasn't the intention of the Creator of the universe to have Christ die honourably. Every prophecy concerning Christ's death spoke of his death as a criminal. Spoke of the death with scourge. Christ wasn't to die honourably. And in his dishonour, we all got honoured. We share in his death so that we can be kings (honourable) and priests (holy).

Is making a righteous man a sinner a good thing to you?
Is sending a sinless man to death by his so-called father a good thing to you?

I wonder how you guys type this shiii.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
Because Jesus Christ himself commanded it literally not as object of worship but of significance.

𝑴𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒘 10:38 𝑬𝑺𝑽
𝑨𝒏𝒅 𝒘𝒉𝒐𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓 𝒅𝒐𝒆𝒔 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒕𝒂𝒌𝒆 𝒉𝒊𝒔 𝗖𝗥𝗢𝗦𝗦 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒇𝒐𝒍𝒍𝒐𝒘 𝒎𝒆 𝒊𝒔 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒘𝒐𝒓𝒕𝒉𝒚 𝒐𝒇 𝒎𝒆.

"Cross" as used in the above quote is symbolic and not literal.

Iweakbro:
While the cross was indeed a Roman tool of execution(not the Jews), the Christian narrative performed a collective psychological "re-framing." By adopting the symbol, the early church stripped the Roman Empire of its power to terrify.

We took a symbol of absolute shame and re-coded it as a symbol of absolute love. From a psychological standpoint, this is the peak triumph over trauma; turning the weapon of the oppressor into the our shield as believers.

Unlike atheist and Muslims alike, we don’t hold unto grudges from the past, but use the victories over our pains as a symbol of hope to the future generations.

Based on you final comment above, if you (and your God) don't hold grudges then what's Jesus coming back to do? And why the need for hell?

SmartPolician:
If you like don't accept Christ now, just don't say that nobody told you about Him because I just did. Hell won't be fun, trust me.

You fit enter am first!

orazx:
I will stick to my old rugged cross and exchange it someday for a crown

The crown may be fire!

Nwaikpe:
Better than seeing the cross swords that Arabs use on innocent people and then shouting alan snackbar!

Crusader swords nko? Even God get sword! Does Jesus have one too?

“You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword,” says the LORD. Zephaniah 2:12

jeff1993:
...... I don't dispute .... The christians have turned around the symbol of torture of their Lord to a symbol of resurrection, a symbol of Hope and happiness. who are you to keep claiming it's a symbol of torture. Are u more intelligent than 1000s of early Christian historians, prophet and philosophers?

The symbol of Moon in Islam, does it mean Allah is a 🌙 moon god??

I am struggling to see your point really...