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bemeruca:
My proposa is not to roll back rights. My proposal is to stop pretending civil rights and social outcomes are the same issue.

Civil rights fix legal injustice. It did not automatically fix crime, family breakdown, urban poverty, bad schools, drugs, or cultural decay.

The question is not should Blacks go back to Jim Crow? Of course not.

The question is: after legal discrimination was reduced, why some indicators get worse instead of better?

That question is not anti-Black. It is the kind of question you ask if you actually care about solving the problem.

The hip hop culture promotes a lot of what is wrong with the black community. Obama talked about Fatherless homes.

Be here and pretend like there is nothing to talk about while you call people disgrace for no reason.

Don't understand what kirk was talking about, just go along and call him a racist because it makes you feel good.

The improvement of the lot of a people is obviously a gradual process which takes generations - especially when that set of people have been subject to centuries of deprivation and subjugaton!

This is not rocket science!

DeepSight:
If you truly want full context you should also factor in the fact that he said less murder and less break ins "before they had equal rights. Therefore in context, he was tying "better behavior" to having less rights.

When asked if he is saying suppression is good for them, he says no, its evil, but goes ahead to affirm that they were better under that suppression.

What do you think he was driving at?

Any half wit can see what he was saying. Especially given that this is the same man who argued that the Civil Rights Act was a mistake.
Thats real context for u.

I conceded that Kirk's words are provocative. So I don't know for you.
But you are still pretending the wording is suspicious, means the only possible meaning is racist.

No. The sentence can be badly framed and still be raising a legitimate issue:
why did some Black social indicators worsen after legal rights improved?
If you want to argue that Kirk’s framing was irresponsible, fine. If you want to argue that his Civil Rights Act views make him suspect, fine. We have addressed you on that as well.

But if your argument is that nobody can compare Black outcomes across time without being racist, then you are just avoiding the question.

DeepSight:
The improvement of the lot of a people is obviously a gradual process which takes generations - especially when that set of people have been subject to centuries of deprivation and subjugaton!

This is not rocket science!

I don't know, if they were better than compared to now it is not an improvement abi?

No be the same argument they talk about Nigeria?
Nowhere in the country do you find a waterboard serving a city or village with clean drinking water. That used to be the case. So are we actually improving in this country or?

bemeruca:
See the problem with this people. You are comparing 1940 to another Jim crow era. Kirk was comparing then to now. It shows you have no clue what we are talking about.

Wahala

I hope you know that crime in USA is generally on a decline?

Keep showing your ignorance and slavery to Charlie Kirk

bemeruca:
I conceded that Kirk's words are provocative. So I don't know for you.
But you are still pretending the wording is suspicious, means the only possible meaning is racist.

No. The sentence can be badly framed and still be raising a legitimate issue:
why did some Black social indicators worsen after legal rights improved?
If you want to argue that Kirk’s framing was irresponsible, fine. If you want to argue that his Civil Rights Act views make him suspect, fine. We have addressed you on that as well.

But if your argument is that nobody can compare Black outcomes across time without being racist, then you are just avoiding the question.

Please what are the indicators that worsened?

Just watch the foolish answer that will come.

Why was I called out here?
I don't, as a rule discuss people or personalities. Only principles, policies and practice.

And, coming from you, accusations of racism are quite rich don't you think?.


TV

DeepSight:
I was watching a Youtube show on Charlie Kirk / Erika Kirk. Came across some of his utterances again.

I had to sit back and wonder, befuddled, how people argue that this man was not racist.

His words - verbatim -

KIRK – “When blacks in America did not have the same rights they have today, they were less murderous, there were less break-ins – why is that?”

QUESTIONER – “Are you trying to say that blacks thrive under subjugation?”

KIRK - “No, I am not, I am asking you the question, the data shows they were actually better in the 1940s. It was bad, it was evil, but what happened, something changed.”


How do the likes of raumdeuter, bemeruca, tctrills, TV01, basilico and company wish to spin this.

cc: Ishilove (I copy you because you once claimed to me he was not racist I believe), Ijebos, cococandy

PS: This specific exchange took place during a live event at Utah Valley University (UVU) in Orem, Utah, on September 10, 2025, just before he was shot.

TV01:
Why was I called out here?

Because of your defense of Tommy Robinson, perhaps?

I don't, as a rule discuss people or personalities.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

A house fly attempting to be an Eagle.

And, coming from you, accusations of racism are quite rich don't you think?.


TV

I have never been racist or said anything racist.

bemeruca:
I conceded that Kirk's words are provocative. So I don't know for you.

And why were Kirk's words provocative?

Because they were racist. Stop defending nonsense

GracieX3:
And why were Kirk's words provocative?

Because they were racist. Stop defending nonsense

Provocative words does not mean racism. That's the point. He is discussing a data, he has a point. Not everything is racist or racism. Make una rest

bemeruca:
Provocative words does not mean racism. That's the point. He is discussing a data, he has a point. Not everything is racist or racism. Make una rest

Ogbeni, why were Charlie Kirk's words provocative?

DeepSight:
The improvement of the lot of a people is obviously a gradual process which takes generations - especially when that set of people have been subject to centuries of deprivation and subjugaton!

This is not rocket science!

Is your statement science in any sense?
Please detail or point to instances which can be used to confirm this position.

bemeruca:
But if your argument is that nobody can compare Black outcomes across time without being racist, then you are just avoiding the question.

Abi?


TV

GracieX3:
Ogbeni, why were Charlie Kirk's words provocative?

Truth is provocative. Why is truth provocative?

Saying there are only 2 genders is provocative.

DeepSight:
Because of your defense of Tommy Robinson, perhaps?



Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

A house fly attempting to be an Eagle.


I have never been racist or said anything racist.

How far? Bros TV said that he doesn't talk about personalities but then, how did he defend Tommy Robinson

Raumdeuter, Basilico 😂😂🤣

Deepsight see your UN

Is this real or Sacha Baron Cohen’s latest movie?

Only in the United Nations would you see IRAN sitting on UN boards for women's rights, nuclear nonproliferation, and counterterrorism.@RepBrianMast exposes the @UN's hypocrisy: pic.twitter.com/pjBUsewfdt

— House Foreign Affairs Committee Majority (@HouseForeignGOP) April 29, 2026

TV01:
Is your statement science in any sense?
Please detail or point to instances which can be used to confirm this position.



Abi?


TV

I need to show you proof that the improvement of the lot of a subjugated people IS A GRADUAL PROCESS that takes time, and even generations when they have been subjugated for centuries?

Useless.

GracieX3:
How far? Bros TV said that he doesn't talk about personalities but then, how did he defend Tommy Robinson

He said that one is not racist.

bemeruca:
Truth is provocative. Why is truth provocative?

Saying there are only 2 genders is provocative.

So, you acknowledged the fact that he didn't choose his words well. You agree that his words are provocative.

But somehow, his words are truth? A man that claims that prowling blacks are coming to your neighbourhood...

DeepSight:
Because of your defense of Tommy Robinson, perhaps?

People accused TR of being racist - I asked for evidence. Detail of broad based harm, or intended harm to black or ethnic minorities in the UK, via his actions individually or as part of an organisation. Non was forthcoming.

DeepSight:
I have never been racist or said anything racist.

You quite clearly despise white people and you are one of this boards foremost haters of "Juice". Repeating AS tropes even after being repeatedly corrected.

But, I don's suppose the Juice care about the opinion of someone scraping out a living in a backwater no one takes seriously. Kinda like me .


TV

TV01:
People accused TR of being racist - I asked for evidence. Detail of broad based harm, or intended harm to black or ethnic minorities in the UK, via his actions individually or as part of an organisation. Non was forthcoming.

You quite clearly despise white people and you are one of this boards foremost haters of "Juice". Repeating AS tropes even after being repeatedly corrected.

But, I don's suppose the Juice care about the opinion of someone scraping out a living in a backwater no one takes seriously. Kinda like me .


TV

Nonsensical and the presumptions about my life only rebound on you.

I hate neither Caucasians nor Jews.

However those who are enslaved to both would imagine so.

GracieX3:
So, you acknowledged the fact that he didn't choose his words well. You agree that his words are provocative.

But somehow, his words are truth? A man that claims that prowling blacks are coming to your neighbourhood...

Maybe, but he does not have to. Jesus was also provocative.

When speaking, you can just be blunt and spew the truth or you can carefully refine your words to sound more inclusive. Either way, you can't be racist for speaking the truth

DeepSight:
Nonsensical and the presumptions about my life only rebound on you.

I hate neither Caucasians nor Jews.

However those who are enslaved to both would imagine so.

Oga you do.

DeepSight:
I need to show you proof that the improvement of the lot of a subjugated people IS A GRADUAL PROCESS that takes time, and even generations when they have been subjugated for centuries?

Useless.

Yes please. Examples. Instances from all those scientific studies you spend your time reading !
Perhaps you could deploy the same methodology in your, not gradually, but rapidly spiralling nation.


TV

bemeruca:
Oga you do.

Criticizing racists is not hatred. The hatred is being racist.
I dont expect any HN to understand this though.

TV01:
Yes please. Examples. Instances from all those scientific studies you spend your time reading !
Perhaps you could deploy the same methodology in your, not gradually, but rapidly spiralling nation.


TV

Useless.

My dear little man, you simply dont have the intellect for the discussions you attempt to skirt around.
You are simply too small as a character also.

DeepSight:
Criticizing racists is not hatred. The hatred is being racist.
I dont expect any HN to understand this though.

You said crap about all white people, we point out that some fought and died to free black people from slavery.

You call house House N, make statements like white people or W Supreme won't love you etc.

You hate white people. That's confirmed

bemeruca:
You said crap about all white people, we point out that some fought and died to free black people from slavery.

You call house House N, make statements like white people or W Supreme won't love you etc.

You hate white people. That's confirmed

Descending into outright lies should be beneath even you (if anything could be).
The bold are outright lies.

DeepSight:
You dont deserve to exist.

Lol
The leftist in you is coming out. Always ready to assassinat everyone you don't agree with.

You see superior argument and all you wish is that the opposition never existed.
Coward.

tctrills:
Lol
The leftist in you is coming out. Always ready to assassinat everyone you don't agree with.

You see superior argument and all you wish is that the opposition never existed.
Coward.

You do not deserve to exist., I stand by it.
No one who defends the utter BS you defend deserves to exist.

If you like say I am calling for your assassination. That is your business. I certainly am not. I only know that you do not deserve to exist and the world would have been better if you were never born.

People who deserve life cherish it and they also cherish the freedom and dignity of human beings. You cherish neither.

DeepSight:
You do not deserve to exist., I stand by it.
No one who defends the utter BS you defend deserves to exist.

If you like say I am calling for your assassination. That is your business. I certainly am not. I only know that you do not deserve to exist and the world would have been better if you were never born.

People who deserve life cherish it and they also cherish the freedom and dignity of human beings. You cherish neither.

Failure
You will watch me live and continue to point out your poor arguments.
I dont need to get emotional like you because I have the truth on my side.
You support black-on-black murder, fatherlessness, and abortion, but claim to support and cherish the freedom and dignity of human beings. No one is fooled; we know you.
You are fueled by hate and inferior arguments
I really don't care if you want me dead because you are powerless and inconsequential.

DeepSight:
Descending into outright lies should be beneath even you (if anything could be).
The bold are outright lies.

Its okay if you don't have self awareness.

You are a racist but you believe black people can't be racists

tctrills:
Failure
You will watch me live and continue to point out your poor arguments.
I dont need to get emotional like you because I have the truth on my side.
You support black-on-black murder, fatherlessness, and abortion, but claim to support and cherish the freedom and dignity of human beings. No one is fooled; we know you.
You are fueled by hate and inferior arguments
I really don't care if you want me dead because you are powerless and inconsequential.

You can misquote me a thousand times, it has no meaning. No one ever said they wanted you dead or assasinated. We affirm that you are not a person who deserves to exist. No one who engages in slavery, apartheid, racism or other forms of denigration of human beings does. And no one who defends and supports those who do does either.

However in our world, people get what they dont deserve all the time, good or bad. Not a fair world.