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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:15pm On Apr 30
Some are getting tired of the Democratic plantation

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:16pm On Apr 30
DeepSight:
The way you people use the word "victimhood" is sad because you deploy it to effectively throw away any and all real issues of systemic marginalization. There is a quote from Martin Luther King where he describes exactly how black people had been economically deprived and strangulated in the US and wound up pointing out how it is a very bad joke to say to a bootless man that he should pull himself up by the bootstraps. Especially when those saying it were given massive advantages such as free land by the Federal Government to get them going.

You just have no clue what you are talking about and its sad and painful to see ignorant folk like you speak the way you do about a matter that has cost the deepest pain, blood, torture and grief to so many. Its insensitive, callous and shallow. But ever worse when it comes from black men like you.
List the rights a black person growing up in America in 2026 is denied of that other races have
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 6:17pm On Apr 30
bemeruca:
He killed charlie because of is transgender babe. That's not political right?
That is deeply personal not political.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 6:18pm On Apr 30
bemeruca:
My proposa is not to roll back rights. My proposal is to stop pretending civil rights and social outcomes are the same issue.

Civil rights fix legal injustice. It did not automatically fix crime, family breakdown, urban poverty, bad schools, drugs, or cultural decay.

The question is not should Blacks go back to Jim Crow? Of course not.

The question is: after legal discrimination was reduced, why some indicators get worse instead of better?

That question is not anti-Black. It is the kind of question you ask if you actually care about solving the problem.

The hip hop culture promotes a lot of what is wrong with the black community. Obama talked about Fatherless homes.

Be here and pretend like there is nothing to talk about while you call people disgrace for no reason.

Don't understand what kirk was talking about, just go along and call him a racist because it makes you feel good.
What you are arguing about or proposing is a waste and adds no value to you or any other black person.

Instead of asking the questions you’re asking in a bid to support Kirk, you should rather overwhelmingly dwell on the upsides of the civil rights acts that paved the way for many of your kind to experience a good measure of freedom to excel and be successful in their own country and space.

Focus on the civil rights act of 1964 that ended illegal segregation, banned discrimination in jobs, and strengthened federal power to enforce equality.

What could be more of a wholesome topic to discuss than the act that allowed blacks to at least breathe well.

Instead you and other awful individuals are reminiscing the supposed “good times” when blacks were treated like animals.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 6:19pm On Apr 30
raumdeuter:
List the rights a black person growing up in America in 2026 is denied of that other races have
Here again you fail to understand that just as wealth is inherited, poverty is inherited and for that reason alone it will take generations to even things out after centuries of unspeakable discrimination, economic marginalization of the worst kind and all. So its not a simple question of saying "what rights are they denied today?" That is terribly simplistic and even you should know better than that.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:19pm On Apr 30
IjeBos:
Interviewee – “The way blacks behave, do you believe they are animals?

QUESTIONER – “Are you trying to say that blacks are animals?”

Interviewee - “No, I am not, I am asking you the question”

Ramdeuter, Bemruca, tctrills: See he doesn't believe they are animals, he was just asking a question.
He stated clearly that No he is not

If you lack understanding then ask him for clarification instead of jumping on the next victimhood parade
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 6:20pm On Apr 30
bayelsaowei:
What could be more of a wholesome topic to discuss than the act that allowed blacks to at least breathe well.

Instead you and other awful individuals are reminiscing the supposed “good times” when blacks were treated like animals.
Can you imagine? These guys are sick.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:21pm On Apr 30
DeepSight:
Here again you fail to understand that just as wealth is inherited, poverty is inherited and for that reason alone it will take generations to even things out after centuries of unspeakable discrimination, economic marginalization of the worst kind and all. So its not a simple question of saying "what rights are they denied today?" That is terribly simplistic and even you should know better than that.
So you cannot list the rights the black people are denied today in America, Okay lets do the past 20yrs? or since you were born

What rights are black people denied in America in your lifetime

We have people who were decimated by wars, famine and almost extinction who pulled themselves up and made something for themselves, Its almost every part of human race that share such story,
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 6:27pm On Apr 30
raumdeuter:
We have people who were decimated by wars, famine and almost extinction who pulled themselves up and made something for themselves, Its almost every part of human race that share such story,
And it takes time.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 6:40pm On Apr 30
DeepSight:
Listening to you one would think that whites dont kill whites.
You always have a way of coming to the wrong conclusion.
So if I say that the whites in America should return to saner times when there were much less white on white killings, would that also be racist or is it only racism when we tell it to the blacks.

Anyway, let's look at some stats
Below are the Victimization Rate per 100,000 people for blacks and whites respectively
21.3
3.2
Your blacks murder themselves at a 7x rate.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 6:43pm On Apr 30
tctrills:
I honestly don't know what you are replying to. No one says blacks should return to when blacks had to step out the way for white people to walk past.

How about we just simplify it by asking blacks to return to having fathers at home and young black men not killing eachother.

You are making it seem like if they return to having a sane society, they will again be segregated.

I don't see how returning to a sane community where they are no longer a community of murders, irresponsible fathers and abortionist women means a society that benefits whites only.
Trust me, if blacks stop killing blacks, it benefits blacks more than whites.
Budaatum is an expert in this. This is 2026 and he still thinks colonialism is holding us back
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 6:53pm On Apr 30
tctrills:
You always have a way of coming to the wrong conclusion.
So if I say that the whites in America should return to saner times when there were much less white on white killings, would that also be racist or is it only racism when we tell it to the blacks.

Anyway, let's look at some stats
Below are the Victimization Rate per 100,000 people for blacks and whites respectively
21.3
3.2
Your blacks murder themselves at a 7x rate.
It is quite normal and understandable that violent crime is typically higher among the poorer demographic anywhere in the world.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 6:53pm On Apr 30
bemeruca:
Budaatum is an expert in this. This is 2026 and he still thinks colonialism is holding us back
Look at you. In Nigeria alone the mistake of 1914 is still haunting us big time. Na lie?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:56pm On Apr 30
tctrills:
You always have a way of coming to the wrong conclusion.
So if I say that the whites in America should return to saner times when there were much less white on white killings, would that also be racist or is it only racism when we tell it to the blacks.
Anyway, let's look at some stats
Below are the Victimization Rate per 100,000 people for blacks and whites respectively
21.3
3.2
Your blacks murder themselves at a 7x rate.
Many people say it that whites and black, infact all Americans should return to the era of family staying together and that will improve outcomes, cos statistically children raised in a 2 family household have a higher chance of being successful in life
Its only racist when its to perpetual victims who want to take zero personal responsibility for their outcomes and seek to point blames at something other than themselves
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 6:59pm On Apr 30
DeepSight:
It is quite normal and understandable that violent crime is typically higher among the poorer demographic anywhere in the world.
Are you sure?
Then explain why Memphis, Tennessee has a much higher violent crime rate than Acrra.

You guys keep excusing foolish behaviour in blacks or blaming it on whites.
It's ok to take responsibility.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 6:59pm On Apr 30
bemeruca:
Budaatum is an expert in this. This is 2026 and he still thinks colonialism is holding us back
Tell this to Deepsight
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 7:01pm On Apr 30
raumdeuter:
Many people say it that whites and black, infact all Americans should return to the era of family staying together and that will improve outcomes, cos statistically children raised in a 2 family household have a higher chance of being successful in life
Its only racist when its to perpetual victims who want to take zero personal responsibility for their outcomes and seek to point blames at something other than themselves
Thank you my brother
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:03pm On Apr 30
bemeruca:
Budaatum is an expert in this. This is 2026 and he still thinks colonialism is holding us back
Colonialism is not holding Nigeria back, B. It's your sort of !gnorance holding Nigeria back!

And it's the reason you think intelligent people will believe what you say about buda and ignore what buda says.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:05pm On Apr 30
DeepSight:
Look at you. In Nigeria alone the mistake of 1914 is still haunting us big time. Na lie?
I beg to differ, Deep.

Even if 1914 was a mistake, we Nigerians are still responsible for managing ourselves properly or for however we have mismanaged ourselves since then.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 7:14pm On Apr 30
bayelsaowei:
What you are arguing about or proposing is a waste and adds no value to you or any other black person.

Instead of asking the questions you’re asking in a bid to support Kirk, you should rather overwhelmingly dwell on the upsides of the civil rights acts that paved the way for many of your kind to experience a good measure of freedom to excel and be successful in their own country and space.

Focus on the civil rights act of 1964 that ended illegal segregation, banned discrimination in jobs, and strengthened federal power to enforce equality.

What could be more of a wholesome topic to discuss than the act that allowed blacks to at least breathe well.

Instead you and other awful individuals are reminiscing the supposed “good times” when blacks were treated like animals.
You are being dishonest. this is yeyeah emotional blackmail, not an argument.

Nobody denied the upsides of the civil rights Act, it was necessary.

Ending legal segregation, banning employment discrimination, and enforcing equal treatment were historic achievements, etc.

celebrating civil rights does not mean we must pretend every post1960s social outcome improved.

Two things can be true at the same time:
Civil rights gave Black Americans legal dignity and freedom.

And

Some social problems later worsened: crime, fatherlessness, drugs, school failure, and urban breakdown.

Discussing the second point does not mean rejecting the first point.

You are trying to force a false choice here e no go work. either praise civil rights only, or you are reminiscing about Jim Crow - nonsense.

Nobody is reminiscing about Black people being treated like animals. Jim Crow was evil kirk said it but you are fixated on calling people racist. Segregation was evil he meant this too. Denying people equal rights was evil, etc.

family values are not a waste of time as you said. Obama talked about fatherlessness for a reason. Many Black leaders, pastors, educators, and community activists have talked about it for decades.

Were they all “anti-Black” too?

people can celebrate freedim and still discuss what is damaging the community today. In fact, if you actually care about Black people, you should be able to do both. But you like victimhood narrative it seems rather than tackling the problems
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 7:21pm On Apr 30
I really want to watch America turn into Nigeria..

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:25pm On Apr 30
DeepSight:
Look at you. In Nigeria alone the mistake of 1914 is still haunting us big time. Na lie?
What is holding Ethiopia back?. Note they were never colonized
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 7:25pm On Apr 30
budaatum:
I beg to differ, Deep.

Even if 1914 was a mistake, we Nigerians are still responsible for managing ourselves properly or for however we have mismanaged ourselves since then.
Didn't say we weren't. Of course we are.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m):
bemeruca:
You are being dishonest. this is yeyeah emotional blackmail, not an argument.

Nobody denied the upsides of the civil rights Act, it was necessary.

Ending legal segregation, banning employment discrimination, and enforcing equal treatment were historic achievements, etc.

celebrating civil rights does not mean we must pretend every post1960s social outcome improved.

Two things can be true at the same time:
Civil rights gave Black Americans legal dignity and freedom.

And

Some social problems later worsened: crime, fatherlessness, drugs, school failure, and urban breakdown.

Discussing the second point does not mean rejecting the first point.

You are trying to force a false choice here e no go work. either praise civil rights only, or you are reminiscing about Jim Crow - nonsense.

Nobody is reminiscing about Black people being treated like animals. Jim Crow was evil kirk said it but you are fixated on calling people racist. Segregation was evil he meant this too. Denying people equal rights was evil, etc.

family values are not a waste of time as you said. Obama talked about fatherlessness for a reason. Many Black leaders, pastors, educators, and community activists have talked about it for decades.

Were they all “anti-Black” too?

people can celebrate freedim and still discuss what is damaging the community today. In fact, if you actually care about Black people, you should be able to do both. But you like victimhood narrative it seems rather than tackling the problems
Talk more about the upsides of the civil right acts rather than this jamboree.

Without the civil right acts would you or any other black person be talking family values?

You’d be a rag in the hands of a white man and won’t be able to keep a nice job, more or less raise a family.

And have you ever discussed about the family values of your white lords and gods? Are they wholesome today?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m):
tctrills:
Are you sure?
Then explain why Memphis, Tennessee has a much higher violent crime rate than Acrra.

You guys keep excusing foolish behaviour in blacks or blaming it on whites.
It's ok to take responsibility.
This is a terrible analogy. You need to compare apples for apples. You cannot just take one city with a totally different culture and mixture of people, history and social interaction and draw a comparison with a city half way around the world, the capital of an African country and then say aha!

What is wrong with you people. How would it sound to you if I took Chicago and compared its crime rate to Abuja's? For heavens sake. You didnt even stop to consider the prevalence of guns under the gun laws of one country as opposed to the very different scenario in another country. The right thing to do would be to compare violent crime among the social classes in each city itself.

And drop this nonsense about taking responsibility. We are more than up to that. The problem is that as far as you are concerned white people must not be held responsible for anything whatsoever!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 7:34pm On Apr 30
raumdeuter:
What is holding Ethiopia back?. Note they were never colonized
The factors that have stymied the development of African nations are many and there is complex history and science to it. The factors include climate, geography, and all of the events of history including wars, trade, plagues and pandemics, flora and fauna, chance and many many more.

It's a huge subject and there is substantial academic work on it.

But the problem is that you lot are thoughtless and anti intellectual. Because for you lot the answer is simply that blacks are inferior and lazy and victims.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 8:06pm On Apr 30
DeepSight:
The factors that have stymied the development of African nations are many and there is complex history and science to it. The factors include climate, geography, and all of the events of history including wars, trade, plagues and pandemics, flora and fauna, chance and many many more.

It's a huge subject and there is substantial academic work on it.

But the problem is that you lot are thoughtless and anti intellectual. Because for you lot the answer is simply that blacks are inferior and lazy and victims.
Excuses are like shoe sizes you will always find one that fits. There are places with worse climate, worse Geography, worse of all these and they managed to get beyond them

If you are hell bent on blaming what happened to your ancestors 200yrs ago then you will likely not come out of it
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:13pm On Apr 30
tctrills:
Are you sure?
Then explain why Memphis, Tennessee has a much higher violent crime rate than Acrra.

You guys keep excusing foolish behaviour in blacks or blaming it on whites.
It's ok to take responsibility.
Funny you mention Tennessee. I'm currently watching a video about Pulaski, Tennessee, and the vultures make me ask why it's a dying place, which I'll let you decide.

It's not Memphis, Tennessee, note.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jPBT-VHcuk
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 8:14pm On Apr 30
raumdeuter:
Excuses are like shoe sizes you will always find one that fits. There are places with worse climate, worse Geography, worse of all these and they managed to get beyond them

If you are hell bent on blaming what happened to your ancestors 200yrs ago then you will likely not come out of it
You are so ignorant of the topic that you don't even know that worse climate of certain kinds actual triggers development.

This subject is beyond you.

Let me ask you. Why do you think Africa is behind. What is your own explanation?

Inferiority? Laziness?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 8:15pm On Apr 30
bayelsaowei:
Talk more about the upsides of the civil right acts rather than this jamboree.

Without the civil right acts would you or any other black person be talking family values?

You’d be a rag in the hands of a white man and won’t be able to keep a nice job, more or less raise a family.

And have you ever discussed about the family values of your white lords and gods? Are they wholesome today?
Oboy, you are still arguing against a position nobody is taking.

Nobody sai the civil Rights Act was not important. It was one of the most important legal victories in American history. We fully accept that.

But that does not mean every conversation about black outcomes must stop at civil rights was good.
It created legal freedom.

Family values, educatiom, crime reduction, economic discipljne, and community stability are about what people do with that freedom.

Your argument is like saying: because independence from colonial rule was good, nobody should discuss corruption, bad leadership, crime, or in nigeria after independence we should focus and talk more about the good of independence. That makes no sense at all. What is affecting Nigeria today should be discussed more.

And yes, white family breakdown should also be discussed. White communities also have fatherlessness, drug abuse, crime, divorce, suicide, and cultural decay. Nobody said only Black people have problems but the black community is the pinnacle of this issue. I have discussed about it time and time again. I talk about the drug issues. This discussion stems from deepsight accusation. So I didn't just start talking about it.

So, when the topic is black outcomes, discussing black family structure is not anti-Black. Obama discussed fatherless homes. Black pastors discuss it. Black conservatives discuss it. Even many ordinary Black parents discuss it. Are they all worshipping white lords too?

You keep trying to turn a social-policy discussion into racial loyalty politics. That is the real problem.

The Civil Rights Act was necessary and good. Jim Crow was evil. But after legal barriers are removed, it is still valid to ask why some communities struggle with crime, school failure, fatherlessness, drugs, and poverty.

That is not jamboree. That is how serious people talk about solutions. It is clear that you are not serious, you just want to blame white people for everything while black people shoot themselves to death every now and then.

This kind of thinking is why Africa is junk today. Instead of tackling the issue, we blame somebody else and attack people talking about it of worshipping white gods. It's a shameful way of thinking.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 8:17pm On Apr 30
budaatum:
Colonialism is not holding Nigeria back, B. It's your sort of !gnorance holding Nigeria back!

And it's the reason you think intelligent people will believe what you say about buda and ignore what buda says.
Continue to blame colonialism in 2026.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:22pm On Apr 30
tctrills:
Tell this to Deepsight
He should tell his lies to Deepsight like he's told them to you without you checking to see if true or not?

I tell you what, tctrills. I'm going to hold the belief in my head that you are far more intelligent than to just believe what anyone tells you about buda, and that you will use your own senses to check what buda says and is by yourself.

Because, if you just believe what you are told about buda without checking for yourself, you likely believe things you are told about most things and do not know of what you talk about, and anything you say should be considered in that view.

Do know that things I say I believe are things I do not know for certain and I'm checking.
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