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MaxInDHouse:
Go and correct Jesus who initiated the idea of excommunication regarding any individual who proves to be difficult! Matthew 18:15-17🙂

Matthew 18:15-17 , an individual make his own decision

In your congregation , Elders impose the decision on others , the person might not offend you personally but once they read that they are no longer a JW, you have to comply , even if the Judicial have error Judgement, you all must abide. That's not out of freewill but Cult procedure. So don't ever bring Matthew 18 into this discussion again.

achorladey:
The evidence and reality on ground states members have been caught killing fellow members without going to war.

Just as unrepentant wrongdoers in Israel killed faithful servants of God and God never approves such killing so this totally differs from religionists who pray to the same God, blessed weapons of war in the name of same God yet face and kill one another in the name of the same God!😂

Floww23:
Matthew 18:15-17 , an individual make his own decision
In your congregation , Elders impose the decision on others , the person might not offend you personally but once they read that they are no longer a JW, you have to comply , even if the Judicial have error Judgement, you all must abide. That's not out of freewill but Cult procedure. So don't ever bring Matthew 18 into this discussion again.

Go and correct apostle Paul and John that they shouldn't tell anyone what to do regarding excommunication!

Apostle Paul said:
"Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them" Romans 16:17

Apostle John said:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 10-11

Were they making individual decisions or telling all members what to do?

Just humble yourself and learn from Jehovah's Witnesses when it comes to the Bible nah our book whatever we hold seriously is found boldly in that book!🙂

UV ran away from Matthew

MaxInDHouse:
Go and correct apostle Paul and John that they shouldn't tell anyone what to do regarding excommunication!

Apostle Paul said:
"Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them" Romans 16:17

It's an admonition to each Christian " Brothers keep your eye"

Each Christian observe and come to their own conclusions

NOT IMPOSED LIKE CULTS Do

Interestingly Your organisation Lied in Norway Courts that each person made the decision even though in practice it's three elders making the decision for the rest

That's why they quickly do away with the word Judicial committee

Apostle John said:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 10-11

Were they making individual decisions or telling all members what to do?🙂

Comes to " YOU"

You - personal pronoun

Each person decides

Not IMPOSED LIKE CULTS

Floww23:
UV ran away from Matthew
It's an admonition to each Christian " Brothers keep your eye"
Each Christian observe and come to their own conclusions
NOT IMPOSED LIKE CULTS Do
Interestingly Your organisation Lied in Norway Courts that each person made the decision even though in practice it's three elders making the decision for the rest
That's why they quickly do away with the word Judicial committee
Comes to " YOU"
You - personal pronoun
Each person decides
Not IMPOSED LIKE CULTS

So when Apostle John said:

"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works" 2John 10-11

Definitely apostle John is also a cultist shey? Matthew 10:24-25😂

Jesus talk {Matthew 18:15-17} his own disciples applied what he taught them by judging whoever goes against the norm of the group {1Corinthans 5:12-13} they are to avoid such a person {Romans 16:17} John said they should not even greet such ones! 2John 10-11

Apostate said it's individual decisions yet the Apostles didn't keep the application only to themselves privately but IMPOSING it on all members.

Surely Jesus saw it all saying you people will call us a cult for applying what he taught us! Matthew 10:24-25🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Just as unrepentant wrongdoers in Israel killed faithful servants of God and God never approves such killing so this totally differs from religionists who pray to the same God, blessed weapons of war in the name of same God yet face and kill one another in the name of the same God!😂

Just as Unrepentant wrongdoers

Jehovah's witnesses kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses in the Bible you carry and in the world we live today. They don't need to bless their weapons in Jehovah's name to do so as Jehovah's witnesses.

Floww23:
Matthew 18:15-17 , an individual make his own decision

In your congregation , Elders impose the decision on others , the person might not offend you personally but once they read that they are no longer a JW, you have to comply , even if the Judicial have error Judgement, you all must abide. That's not out of freewill but Cult procedure. So don't ever bring Matthew 18 into this discussion again.

He know it, he wants to manipulate Matthew as usual. That's why they cannot answer how did Jesus address Gentiles in his day?

Floww23:
UV ran away from Matthew



It's an admonition to each Christian " Brothers keep your eye"

Each Christian observe and come to their own conclusions

NOT IMPOSED LIKE CULTS Do

Interestingly Your organisation Lied in Norway Courts that each person made the decision even though in practice it's three elders making the decision for the rest

That's why they quickly do away with the word Judicial committee



Comes to " YOU"

You - personal pronoun

Each person decides

Not IMPOSED LIKE CULTS

They can't even read in content and context what teaching John was talking about paapaa

MaxInDHouse:
So when Apostle John said:

"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works" 2John 10-11

Definitely apostle John is also a cultist shey? Matthew 10:24-25😂

John didn't impose lies and manipulations of the scriptures on people

Jesus didn't say one should not join people that don't believe Jesus returned in 1914. It has nothing to do with the bible.

John didn't ask anyone not to join who don't believe those your religious leaders in USA are the faithful and discrete slave.

achorladey:
Jehovah's witnesses kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses in the Bible

Because Cain killed Abel shey?😂

achorladey:
John didn't impose.

But he said authoritatively:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 10-11🙂

MaxInDHouse:
But he said authoritatively:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 10-11🙂

Authoritative and imposition

MaxInDHouse:
Because Cain killed Abel shey?😂

David killed Uriah

Benjamin and the rest of Israel in Judges

House of David and House of Saul

achorladey:
David killed Uriah
Benjamin and the rest of Israel in Judges
House of David and House of Saul

So God approved killing your fellow worshipers shey?😂

achorladey:
Authoritative and imposition

All you need to do is renounce whatever attach you to them and walk away nobody is forcing you to stay.

Jesus said:

“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me" Matthew 16:24

So if you don't want to it's easy just walk away simple neither Jesus nor his appointed men have any right to impose on you what you don't want but those who have surrendered must be submissive to them! Hebrews 13:17🙂

JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.
HE FORGIVES ALL SINS EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY IJN.
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY, I.E, OMNIPOTENT ,OMNISCIENT AND OMNIEVERYTHING, FOR EVERYTHING IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH IS HIS AND IT IS TO HIM WE MUST RETURN EVERYTHING.

MaxInDHouse:
All you need to do is renounce whatever attach you to them and walk away nobody is forcing you to stay.

Jesus said:

“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me" Matthew 16:24

So if you don't want to it's easy just walk away simple neither Jesus nor his appointed men have any right to impose on you what you don't want but those who have surrendered must be submissive to them! Hebrews 13:17🙂

I don't need stories sort out

Authoritative and imposition first.

simple neither Jesus nor his appointed men have any right to impose on you what you don't want

Cycling over nothing and backtracking as well.

Floww23

MaxInDHouse:
So God approved killing your fellow worshipers shey?😂

The evidence and reality on ground states members of your religious organisation have been caught killing fellow members without going to war.

Approval or no approval from Jehovah is not the discussion here.

achorladey:
I don't need stories sort out.

Because it exposed your unrepentant attitude shey?
Nobody is forcing any imposition or authority on you it's either you are in or out simple as ABC!😂

achorladey:
Approval or no approval from Jehovah.

Is exactly what counts because if a true servant of God believes such killing is unapproved by God he will never ever raise a weapon.

Saul was willing to kill David and everyone knew David has the opportunity to kill Saul but why did God's servant refrain from killing the wicked King?

Because Saul was God's anointed King.

That is a true witness of Jehovah not people like you who doesn't even know what to do in such a situation.

For that reason Jehovah declared David as a man after His heart.

WHY?

David feared to kill an anointed servant of God.

But atheists like you will continue deceiving yourself claiming you want to expose God's servants when you don't even know the difference between what God approves or disapprove!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Because it exposed your unrepentant attitude shey?
Nobody is forcing any imposition or authority on you it's either you are in or out simple as ABC!😂

Don't deflect into attacking me. I have not sin against you or against your religious organisation.

Your religious organisation stated clearly members can disassociate when they want. Is doing that a sin?

And when I sin against God, it is not MaxInDHouse that will forgive me. It is God. That people exercise their free will to disassociate from your religious group and decide never to return is not UNREPENTANT ATTITUDE. Get it right.

Nobody is forcing any imposition or authority on you it's either you are in or out simple as ABC!😂

It is your lies and manipulations want to make us accept AUTHORITATIVE as IMPOSITION of which you backtracked

MaxInDHouse:
Is exactly what counts because if a true servant of God believes such killing is unapproved by God he will never ever raise a weapon.

Saul was willing to kill David and everyone knew David has the opportunity to kill Saul but why did God's servant refrain from killing the wicked King?

Because Saul was God's anointed King.

That is a true witness of Jehovah not people like you who doesn't even know what to do in such a situation.

For that reason Jehovah declared David as a man after His heart.

WHY?

David feared to kill an anointed servant of God.

But atheists like you will continue deceiving yourself claiming you want to expose God's servants when you don't even know the difference between what God approves or disapprove!🙂

Cut my post tire from the main point.

Jehovah's witnesses kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses. Whether they get approval or no approval is not the point of this discussion.

You want us to accept Jehovah's witnesses are the only true religious group because they don't go to war to kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses.

We have shown you examples from the bible where Jehovah's witnesses kill Jehovah's witnesses and in present times without going to war.

achorladey:
When I sin against God, it is not MaxInDHouse that will forgive me. It is God.

You are free to sin against any deity of your choice but when anyone sin against Jehovah it's His worshipers that will plead for such a person.
So you have no business with us and our God?🙂

achorladey:
Jehovah's witnesses kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses. Whether they get approval or no approval is not the point of this discussion.

This is where you get it completely wrong!

When Cain offered sacrifice to our God it wasn't accepted so Jehovah told Cain what to do for his sacrifice to be accepted. That is why Cain killed Abel and everyone knew from that Cain is no longer a worshiper of our God.

So you can never ever find Jehovah's Witnesses killing Jehovah's Witnesses it's unrepentant wrongdoer like you that will singlehandedly pick up weapons against Jehovah's Witnesses unlike your own people that will form different groups and start killing their fellow worshipers!🤣

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you get it completely wrong!

When Cain offered sacrifice to our God it wasn't accepted so Jehovah told Cain what to do for his sacrifice to be accepted. That is why Cain killed Abel and everyone knew from that Cain is no longer a worshiper of our God.

So you can never ever find Jehovah's Witnesses killing Jehovah's Witnesses it's unrepentant wrongdoer like you that will singlehandedly pick up weapons against Jehovah's Witnesses unlike your own people that will form different groups and start killing their fellow worshipers!🤣

See the the need to peddle unrepentant wrongdoer getting it wrong completely with watery rebuttal you are typing eating you up😂🤣😂

Is Achorladey part of Jehovah's witnesses?

No.

Why?

Are those who disassociate from the religion of Jehovah's witnesses sinners?

MaxInDHouse, what do you have to say?

This is where you get it completely wrong!

Your lies and manipulations won't end here. See as you kept going back and forth over what you already admitted as lies and manipulations

Achorladey: Jehovah's witnesses kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses in the Bible

MaxInDHouse: Because Cain killed Abel shey?😂

Achorladey: you see my point remains valid because even your doctrine didn't count Cain as one long line of Jehovah's witnesses D. You shot yourself in the foot the moment you referenced that. MaxInDHouse is Cain a Jehovah's witnesses according to your doctrine? Answer!

Reference it with the below

When Cain offered sacrifice to our God it wasn't accepted so Jehovah told Cain what to do for his sacrifice to be accepted. That is why Cain killed Abel and everyone knew from that Cain is no longer a worshiper of our God

Then the below......

So you can never ever find Jehovah's Witnesses killing Jehovah's Witnesses it's unrepentant wrongdoer like you that will singlehandedly pick up weapons against Jehovah's Witnesses unlike your own people that will form different groups and start killing their fellow worshipers!🤣

The war between the house of Saul and house of David. They are both Jehovah's witnesses just like modern day Jehovah's witnesses according to your beliefs.

Jehovah's witnesses kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses despite not going to war with approval or no approval

MaxInDHouse:
You are free to sin against any deity of your choice but when anyone sin against Jehovah it's His worshipers that will plead for such a person.
So you have no business with us and our God?🙂

There is one mediator between God and man - Jesus. It is not in NWT. No wonder your religious organisation preach and teach Jesus only mediate only for 144,000. D

More valid point for people to see that those men housed in USA are your GODS that you pray to and forgive your sins.

achorladey:
Are those who disassociate from the religion of Jehovah's witnesses sinners?

Whoever disassociate himself from any group or organization and couldn't find a better one but goes about maligning such a group anywhere it's mentioned is a wicked person.

That is exactly what Satan keeps doing!🙂

achorladey:
There is one mediator between God and man - Jesus.

Jesus chose the apostles to serve as his representatives and said:

"I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens." Matthew 16:19

That's why James (Jesus' brother) said:

Is there anyone sick among you? Let him call the elders of the congregation to him, and let them pray over him, applying oil to him in the name of Jehovah. And the prayer of faith will make the sick one well, and Jehovah will raise him up. Also, if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. James 5;14-15

So in God's organization there are holy ones whose hands when laid upon a REPENTANT SINNER forgiveness of sin will be granted! 🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus chose the apostles to serve as his representatives and said:

"I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens." Matthew 16:19

That's why James (Jesus' brother) said:

Is there anyone sick among you? Let him call the elders of the congregation to him, and let them pray over him, applying oil to him in the name of Jehovah. And the prayer of faith will make the sick one well, and Jehovah will raise him up. Also, if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. James 5;14-15

So in God's organization there are holy ones whose hands when laid upon a REPENTANT SINNER forgiveness of sin will be granted! 🙂

There is a mediator between God and man - Jesus Christ. It is those same apostles that stated that clearly or they forgot that Peter was given the key?

Now this is interesting....

So in God's organization there are holy ones whose hands when laid upon a REPENTANT SINNER forgiveness of sin will be granted

When we say the more you try to look different, the more you do copy copy

It is good for those you call christendom to seek intercession through their SAINTS

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever disassociate himself from any group or organization and couldn't find a better one but goes about maligning such a group anywhere it's mentioned is a wicked person.

That is exactly what Satan keeps doing!🙂

The problem is not what they go about doing after disassociation. The key here is, is it a sin to DISASSOCIATE from your religious organisation?

achorladey:
It is good for those you call christendom to seek intercession through their SAINTS.

That is exactly what the Bible teaches there will be holy ones among God's people {Isaiah 33:1-3} the difference is the fruit of those you call "SAINT" Matthew 7:16-18

Have they been able to help worshipers to render judgment as in set matters straight among themselves, beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears, stop lifting up weapons against themselves, and vow never to learn war anymore? Isaiah 2:4

If the so called "SAINTS" can't achieve that then they are not the holy ones James was referring to! James 5:14-15🙂