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[quote author=DeepSight post=139278198]Your issue with abortion is rooted in religious doctrine. By the way, are you Catholic?
You mean I need to be a Catholic or religious to be against the killing of unborns? Explain why? My abortion issue is more rooted in science. That's why I have not brought up religion the entire time. You are the one bringing it up.


Has it ever occurred to you that the very term "black on black" is a peculiarity that shows bias? Because no one goes around talking about "white on white" or "latino on latino" that much. It is a usage specifically designed to tell a particular narrative about what is in truth simply higher violence in poorer demographics, which is standard everywhere in the world.

Wrong again. Actually, some statistics show white-on-white murder rates, and also for Hispanics. The data is not exclusively for blacks. I am more interested in blacks because I am a black.

The idea that if you are poor, you should commit crimes is rubbish. This eliminates looking at the culture. I have been to some of the poorest counties in Africa, Sierra Leone, Liberia, and even Burundi. These very poor places are all safer than Nigeria. Crime is a choice. And when the culture permits it, it gets worse.
For example, in Nigeria, we have accepted the culture of internet fraud. These boys are celebrated, so more people get attracted to this nonsense.

Also, the lack of fathers in the home contributes more to crime than poverty. Below are the words of your great Obama.

"And when fathers are absent, when they abandon their responsibilities to their children, we know the damage that that does to our families. ... Children who grow up without fathers are more likely to drop out of school and wind up in prison. They're more likely to have substance abuse problems, run away from home, and become teenage parents themselves."

We know the statistics — that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of school and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.”

Hope you know that Obama is never wrong.

Again, about the black culture of fatherlessness, he said,

"But if we are honest with ourselves, we’ll admit that what too many fathers also are is missing — missing from too many lives and too many homes. They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men. And the foundations of our families are weaker because of it."

So please argue with Obama, do not argue with me.

But egg is $1.99!

Inflation has been accelerating since mid-2025. In each of the three months of December, January, and February – so before the war and before the energy price spike – the PCE price index had already surged by 4% to 4.6% annualized (black circle in the chart). The March spike is on top of that acceleration (blue line). And it was energy, but not just energy.

https://wolfstreet.com/2026/04/30/inflation-in-the-entire-us-economy-is-rocking-and-rolling-and-its-not-just-energy/

basilico:
I don't believe there is any evidence to tie him to Epstein crimes. Period.

Then it is in order for anyone to question the truth of you being a father to daughters.

There is something you may not know. On the floor of congress or Senate a member can make any accusation with no legal repercussions.
They have seen unredacted documents of what was released.. None of them has ever said anything. Tell me why.

Parliamentary immunity is nothing new. I don't think it is true that they have seen fully redacted files. Till date. Certainly not all of them.

GracieX3:
Fetus is not a child.

Yea right. Just a clump of cells . Unviable.
You are free to believe anything.
How about a child (boy or girl )who survives an abortion. What to do with it?

tctrills:
...

Go and amend your post. Are you Catholic? No one said you need to be Catholic. It's just a question.

Also no one said poverty justifies violence. It's just a global fact. That shows it's not about black people. It's about poverty.

DeepSight:
Then it is in order for anyone to question the truth of you being a father to daughters.


Parliamentary immunity is nothing new. I don't think it is true that they have seen fully redacted files. Till date. Certainly not all of them.

You don't think they have seen all the documents showing Trumps complicity. You don't think.
That's enough.

As to my personal life I have 3 daughters. Applying fuzzy logic or whatever don't change that.

DeepSight:
You want to teach me to use AI and yet your question framing was useless.
At all events, the fact remains that there is no race-based distribution. Where blacks get more, its because there are more poor blacks.
THAT SAYS ENOUGH.

I will not bother asking you to retract your lie that blacks have been dashed six trillion in welfare.

Are you saying that the figures I presented are wrong?
I agree with you, Blacks get more because they are poorer, but my point remains that this money has not improved them in any way. It's almost like a waste. Throwing money at a problem almost never solves it. Fix the culture, and you have fixed black America.

Guess what, the blacks were escaping poverty at a much faster rate before the welfare state was created. Please fact-check this.

The $6 Trillion is a figure liberals will never accept.
Gemini is heavily biased and I have evidence of Gemini making up stories to me on a sports discipline that I was seeing updates on flashscore. Many times, not once .

tctrills:
My brother, when you use AI, learn to conduct deep research. Dont worry, I will do it for you.

Since the launch of the "War on Poverty" in 1964, the US has spent over $26 trillion on anti-poverty programs, with total expenditures potentially reaching higher depending on whether state-level contributions and specific program definitions (such as medical vs. cash aid) are included. Current federal spending alone exceeds $1 trillion annually.

Now, on total entitlement benefits, the US has spent $193 trillion

Now the question is, what percentage has gone to the blacks? This is where we apply AI.

[url]Grok[/url]

Around 23-26% of recipients (and a similar share of spending) in major US means-tested welfare programs go to Black Americans, who make up roughly 13-14% of the total US population.
Key Data (Recent Years, e.g., ~2019–2023)

Combined safety net programs (Urban Institute analysis of ~59 million recipients): Non-Hispanic White ~43%, Hispanic ~26%, Black ~23%.
SNAP (food stamps): White ~35-42% (non-Hispanic White lower, around 35-37%), Black ~25-28%, Hispanic ~16%. Blacks are overrepresented relative to population share.
Older or multi-program data (e.g., SNAP + TANF + housing) sometimes shows higher Black shares for specific overlapping benefits, but the broad pattern holds: Whites are the largest group by raw numbers, Blacks are disproportionately represented.

Spending (dollars) tracks recipient shares closely because benefits are allocated per eligible person or household (with adjustments for household size, income, etc.). There is no comprehensive official breakdown showing a dramatically different spending percentage. Black households are overrepresented among recipients due to higher participation rates in programs like SNAP, Medicaid, and TANF, driven by factors such as higher poverty rates, single-parent households, and urban concentration.

ChatGPT

There isn’t a single percentage for “all U.S. welfare” going to any one group, because “welfare” isn’t one program—it includes things like food assistance (SNAP), healthcare (Medicaid), and cash aid (TANF), and each has different data.

Breaking it down (to understand it properly)
1) Food assistance (SNAP)
Black recipients: about 26–27%
White recipients: larger share overall
2) Cash welfare (TANF)
Black recipients: about 27–28%
3) Healthcare (Medicaid)
Black recipients: about 23%

This completely corresponds with Grok. Blacks get more than 23% of all welfare.


Gemini

Program, Black Recipients (%),
SNAP (Food Stamps),~25%,
TANF (Cash Assistance),~28%,
Public Housing,~45%,

This again shows that blacks get nothing less than 23% of all welfare


Now, let's use the lowest figure, 23%. Calculate 23% of 26 trillion

The result is 5.98 trillion

This represents the lowest possible amount blacks get from welfare.
I am usually not wrong with the stats and figures

DeepSight:
Go and amend your post. Are you Catholic? No one said you need to be Catholic. It's just a question.

Also, no one said poverty justifies violence. It's just a global fact. That shows it's not about black people. It's about poverty.

I dont know why my being catholic is important to this discussion. Please explain why.
Also, from what Obama said, fatherlessness has a much bigger effect on crime than poverty. We both know Obama is always right.
Let me quote the gentleman again.

We know the statistics — that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of school and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.”

From Obama's speech, the black problem is more of fatherlessness than poverty.
Fix fatherlessness and
Poverty decreases by 5x
Crime decreases by 5x
Dropouts decrease by 9x
And the prisons are 20x emptier.

Do you doubt these Obama numbers?

basilico:
The $6 Trillion is a figure liberals will never accept.
Gemini is heavily biased and I have evidence of Gemini making up stories to me on a sports discipline that I was seeing updates on flashscore. Many times, not once .

Even using Gemini numbers, you still get above 6 trillion

Gemini

Program, Black Recipients (%),
SNAP (Food Stamps),~25%,
TANF (Cash Assistance),~28%,
Public Housing,~45%,

This again shows that blacks get nothing less than 23% of all welfare

It's simple maths, and maths is never wrong.

tctrills:
Are you saying that the figures I presented are wrong?
I agree with you, Blacks get more because they are poorer, but my point remains that this money has not improved them in any way. It's almost like a waste. Throwing money at a problem almost never solves it. Fix the culture, and you have fixed black America.

Guess what, the blacks were escaping poverty at a much faster rate before the welfare state was created. Please fact-check this.

Have integrity and withdraw the lie that blacks have been dashed six trillion first.

Don Tzu has more beef on the political menu. 😁

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0729d374mxo

DeepSight:
QUESTION: IS THE CLAIM THAT BLACK AMERICANS HAVE BEEN GIVEN SIX TRILLION IN ENTITLEMENT BENEFITS TRUE AND IF SO, WHATS THE TIMELINE, AND WHO GOT THESE FUNDS AND ON WHAT BASIS?

GEMINI: The claim that Black Americans specifically have been "given $6 trillion in entitlement benefits" is a mischaracterization of broader figures frequently cited in debates over U.S. welfare policy. There is no official government record or peer-reviewed study that confirms a $6 trillion figure allocated exclusively to Black Americans.

Instead, the "$6 trillion" figure likely stems from a confusion of several distinct data points related to total national spending, specific asset valuations, or recent federal deficit increases.

1. The Likely Origins of the "$6 Trillion" Figure
The specific number $6 trillion appears in two very different contexts within recent economic discourse, neither of which represents an "entitlement payout" to Black Americans:

Total Black Household Wealth: According to data from the Federal Reserve, the total assets held by Black American households (including real estate, pension entitlements, and savings) reached approximately $6 trillion in 2022 (HBCU Money, 2023). This represents the collective net worth and private savings of the population, not government spending.

Recent Federal Deficit Claims: Economic critics, such as those at the Heritage Foundation, have argued that the Biden administration's policies added roughly $6 trillion to the national deficit through various spending bills (Ditch, 2023). These funds were allocated across the entire U.S. population for infrastructure, COVID-19 relief, and climate initiatives, rather than being targeted specifically toward one racial group.

2. Historical Context of Welfare Spending
If the claim is intended to refer to "The War on Poverty" (launched in 1964), the numbers are much larger, but also population-wide:

Total Spending: Research by Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation estimated that the U.S. spent approximately $22 trillion on means-tested welfare programs between 1964 and 2014 (Rector, 2014).

Demographic Distribution: While African Americans are disproportionately represented in certain means-tested programs due to higher poverty rates, they have never been the sole or primary recipients of the total expenditure. For example, in most years of the program's history, White Americans have constituted the largest single racial group receiving SNAP (food stamps) and Medicaid benefits.

3. Basis and Eligibility
Federal benefits in the United States are not distributed on the basis of race, as that would violate the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Instead, funds are distributed based on:

Financial Need: Means-tested programs like TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) or Medicaid require recipients to fall below specific income thresholds.

Age and Contribution: "Entitlements" like Social Security and Medicare are based on age and the amount of payroll taxes an individual has paid into the system over their working life.
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An update, in another calculation, Gemini gave me
Variable, Amount
Total Means-Tested Spending (1964–2026),~$26.0 Trillion
Estimated Weighted Share for Black Recipients, ~19%
Estimated Cumulative Amount, ~$4.94 Trillion

So even in the most conservative calculations, Blacks have received about 5 trillion dollars. That is 10 times the Nigerian GDP. You gave black America 10 of Nigeria, and they did nothing with it, and I am here hating Tinubu.

DeepSight:
Have integrity and withdraw the lie that blacks have been dashed six trillion first.

Nope, I showed you the most transparent calculations. If you make the calculations, you will come to the same conclusion. Maths never lies. Maths is not political. It is not good or evil. Try it, it works.

BreakingNews21:
Don Tzu has more beef on the political menu. 😁

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0729d374mxo

Yes that is correct. The German chancellor recently said the Iran war is unjust and Iran is humiliating America.
Trump has now decided to withdraw 5000 troops stationed on German soil. You know what that means.. Besides the local restaurants, stores,movie theatre , pubs etc losing customers , it's a warning , play ball before shooting off your mouth.

Trump has also ordered 25% tariffs on EU vehicles. Who will be the hardest hit. Germany whose revenues from automobiles is very significant.

With EU telling members not to buy cheap Russian gas and oil. With Germany shutting down nearly all it's nuclear and coal plants energy is now expensive . Which doesn't help a manufacturing giant.
Add to their refusal to join Operation End Fury. Global oil and gas prices have shot up as a result of the Straits of Hormuz blockade.
The German economy is already taking a hit from their policies and the money they give Ukraine. They can force Zelensky to the negotiating table but it will make Trump win the Nobel prize.

25% tariffs on their vehicles will impact German economy more than the troop withdrawal.

DeepSight:
Your issue with abortion is rooted in religious doctrine. By the way, are you Catholic?


Has it ever occurred to you that the very term "black on black" is a peculiarity that shows bias? Because no one goes around talking about "white on white" or "latino on latino" that much. It is a usage specifically designed to tell a particular narrative about what is in truth simply higher violence in poorer demographics, which is standard everywhere in the world.

Can you believe that one Nigerian Leftist here on Nairaland was arguing that it is better to kill your unborn than present it for adoption? The evil culture is already here. People go dey marry rubbish these days.

basilico:
Yes that is correct. The German chancellor recently said the Iran war is unjust and Iran is humiliating America.
Trump has now decided to withdraw 5000 troops stationed on German soil. You know what that means.. Besides the local restaurants, stores,movie theatre , pubs etc losing customers , it's a warning , play ball before shooting off your mouth.

Trump has also ordered 25% tariffs on EU vehicles. Who will be the hardest hit. Germany whose revenues from automobiles is very significant.

With EU telling members not to buy cheap Russian gas and oil. With Germany shutting down nearly all it's nuclear and coal plants energy is now expensive . Which doesn't help a manufacturing giant.
Add to their refusal to join Operation End Fury. Global oil and gas prices have shot up as a result of the Straits of Hormuz blockade.
The German economy is already taking a hit from their policies and the money they give Ukraine. They can force Zelensky to the negotiating table but it will make Trump win the Nobel prize.

25% tariffs on their vehicles will impact German economy more than the troop withdrawal.

I just posted this in another thread concerning 9ja Oga at the top going on another extended excursion for whatever reasons. Don Tzu may be facing his third and final impeachment after the November midterms. Big wahala down in Miami Florida with the Sec. of State Marco Rubio's buddy David Rivera getting convicted by a jury of his peers (mostly Cuban Americans).

https://eie.ng/how-to-impeach-the-president-of-the-federal-republic-of-nigeria/

basilico:
You don't think they have seen all the documents showing Trumps complicity. You don't think.
That's enough.

As to my personal life I have 3 daughters. Applying fuzzy logic or whatever don't change that.

What do you teach your daughters as a full time worshipper of a renowned sex offender and a non repentant felon?

May God help your daughters.

🙏🏿

DeepSight:
Your issue with abortion is rooted in religious doctrine. By the way, are you Catholic?

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A little distraction from the abortion and poverty argument

https://youtube.com/shorts/-9yex88xao0?si=6XGAVlIYGXM191KN

tctrills:
An update, in another calculation, Gemini gave me
Variable, Amount
Total Means-Tested Spending (1964–2026),~$26.0 Trillion
Estimated Weighted Share for Black Recipients, ~19%
Estimated Cumulative Amount, ~$4.94 Trillion

So even in the most conservative calculations, Blacks have received about 5 trillion dollars. That is 10 times the Nigerian GDP. You gave black America 10 of Nigeria, and they did nothing with it, and I am here hating Tinubu.

There is something wrong with you.

1. What is wrong with 19% for 13% of the population who you acknowledge form the poorer demographic? Because in fact if this is a correct percentile then what on Earth are you complaining about? It would actually mean that as the poorer demographic they were still not getting enough comparatively.

2. You have acknowledged in another post that blacks get more as a function of poverty and not a function of race, so what are you on about?

3. You still refuse to accept that the Six Trillion figure is not what was "given" to blacks - certainly not in the way you claimed - you claimed it as some sort of compensatory gift. There was no such thing. You simply lack the integrity and soundness of character to admit you goofed.

tctrills:
Can you believe that one Nigerian Leftist here on Nairaland was arguing that it is better to kill your unborn than present it for adoption? The evil culture is already here. People go dey marry rubbish these days.

If you are referring to Graciex3's comment, it is valid for her to point out that people may not be comfortable giving their children to strangers. That is a very valid concern and an instinctive one too, and I also pointed it out myself in case you missed it.

And if you are referring yo her, what do you mean that "people go marry rubbish these days" We can certainly say that your wife has married rubbish too since you can talk like that so cavalierly.

And abortion is not necessarily killing your child. I dont think it is killing or murder to for example stop a one week pregnancy.

Amen.

bayelsaowei:
What do you teach your daughters as a full time worshipper of a renowned sex offender and a non repentant felon?

May God help your daughters.

🙏🏿

basilico:
Yea right. Just a clump of cells . Unviable.
You are free to believe anything.
How about a child (boy or girl )who survives an abortion. What to do with it?

Silly question. A fetus in the first few weeks cannot survive outside the womb

So when is the exact time it won't be taking away a life?
15 weeks, 20 weeks?

DeepSight:
If you are referring to Graciex3's comment, it is valid for her to point out that people may not be comfortable giving their children to strangers. That is a very valid concern and an instinctive one too, and I also pointed it out myself in case you missed it.

And if you are referring yo her, what do you mean that "people go marry rubbish these days" We can certainly say that your wife has married rubbish too since you can talk like that so cavalierly.

And abortion is not necessarily killing your child. I dont think it is killing or murder to for example stop a one week pregnancy.

basilico:
Yes that is correct. The German chancellor recently said the Iran war is unjust and Iran is humiliating America.
Trump has now decided to withdraw 5000 troops stationed on German soil. You know what that means.. Besides the local restaurants, stores,movie theatre , pubs etc losing customers , it's a warning , play ball before shooting off your mouth.

Trump has also ordered 25% tariffs on EU vehicles. Who will be the hardest hit. Germany whose revenues from automobiles is very significant.

With EU telling members not to buy cheap Russian gas and oil. With Germany shutting down nearly all it's nuclear and coal plants energy is now expensive . Which doesn't help a manufacturing giant.
Add to their refusal to join Operation End Fury. Global oil and gas prices have shot up as a result of the Straits of Hormuz blockade.
The German economy is already taking a hit from their policies and the money they give Ukraine. They can force Zelensky to the negotiating table but it will make Trump win the Nobel prize.

25% tariffs on their vehicles will impact German economy more than the troop withdrawal.

Played as a Russian asset.

GracieX3:
Silly question. A fetus in the first few weeks cannot survive outside the womb

When does it stop becoming a fetus?

DeepSight:
Played as a Russian asset.

Looking for points to buttress your point of view.
The war is just a meat grinder . No meaningful gains on each side as far as I have been seeing . Putin is ready to stop the war, Zelensky is demanding more aid to restore Ukraine borders,which will not happen .

basilico:
So when is the exact time it won't be taking away a life?
15 weeks, 20 weeks?

It will be arbitrary for me to place a specific number of days or weeks to it, but I have said that once it has taken on the human form, I feel queasy about it.

To divert tangentially spiritually, several schools of thought also believe that the spirit incarnates into the body at a specific time during pregnancy. Some say this is around the middle of pregnancy but for me, the time would be around when it has form and begins to exhibit consciousness. I dont know about the timing for sure but it resonates with me. I just cant see what appears to be for all purposes something like a tiny cell as a human being. No, for me, at the early stages it is not a human being. It is only a potential.

tctrills:
A little distraction from the abortion and poverty argument

https://youtube.com/shorts/-9yex88xao0?si=6XGAVlIYGXM191KN

1. Trump has been accused of racism long before politics. Long long before. Ever heard of the Central Park Five? Also he and his father were long accused of discriminating against blacks in housing / real estate projects.

2. Its lousy when people mention black celebrities who Trump has associated with. Celebrity pull is celebrity pull.

DeepSight:
If you are referring to Graciex3's comment, it is valid for her to point out that people may not be comfortable giving their children to strangers. That is a very valid concern and an instinctive one too, and I also pointed it out myself in case you missed it.

And if you are referring yo her, what do you mean that "people go marry rubbish these days" We can certainly say that your wife has married rubbish too since you can talk like that so cavalierly.

And abortion is not necessarily killing your child. I dont think it is killing or murder to for example stop a one week pregnancy.

It's a valid point to choose killing over giving up a child. Someone is very comfortable taking another person's life but draws the line when it comes to giving the baby a chance at life.

We can argue about abortion being murder, but we can't argue about the killing part.

I dont kill my children, so you will be wrong to argue that my wife married rubbish.

[quote author=DeepSight post=139279106]There is something wrong with you.

1. What is wrong with 19% for 13% of the population who you acknowledge form the poorer demographic? Because in fact if this is a correct percentile then what on Earth are you complaining about? It would actually mean that as the poorer demographic they were still not getting enough comparatively.

When did I say it's wrong to give 19% or even 50% to the blacks? When did I complain? Please calm down and read what I wrote. I only said that money is not the solution. I am not against helping the poor, but I am about doing things that work. Please do not intentionally misrepresent my point.

2. You have acknowledged in another post that blacks get more as a function of poverty and not a function of race, so what are you on about? Again, what are you saying here? Did I ever say blacks should get less? Please stop creating these unnecessary distractions.

3. You still refuse to accept that the Six Trillion figure is not what was "given" to blacks - certainly not in the way you claimed - you claimed it as some sort of compensatory gift. There was no such thing. You simply lack the integrity and soundness of character to admit you goofed.

Prove my maths is wrong, and I will accept it. I am open to corrections, but you have to prove I am wrong. Present your calculations and numbers.
Have I made mathematical mistakes before? Yes. But it is clearly on you to point it out. If you are not able to, you need to accept it and stop complaining.

DeepSight:
1. Trump has been accused of racism long before politics. Long long before. Ever heard of the Central Park Five? Also he and his father were long accused of discriminating against blacks in housing / real estate projects.

2. Its lousy when people mention black celebrities who Trump has associated with. Celebrity pull is celebrity pull.

This is being lousy. Whenever a white man accuses a black man of a crime, is it racism?
So, when you guys (Black guys) accuse Trump of various crimes, are you being racist?

You guys are making the definition of racism to be some kind of mystery.

Many leftists on this platform accused Kyle Rittenhouse of murder. Would you today call all your leftist friends on this platform racists?