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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 10:25am On May 04
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 10:27am On May 04
bayelsaowei:
We were created that way by God. To commit crimes..

🤣🤣😂😂.. it’s in our DNA.

While the white mans DNA is made up to do good all the time.

🤓🤓🤓
The argument is not DNA, it is cultural.
God doesn't create the culture, you create it and you can change it.
Killing of twins was culture, it was stopped.
Black on black violence is cultural, and it can be stopped.
Fatherlessness is cultural and we can put an end to it.
Hope you now understand the difference between DNA and culture?
You are welcome my brother.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GracieX3(f): 10:38am On May 04
tctrills:
Have you heard of the say, 'Charity begins at home?' I am sure this is your first time hear it.
Which should I be more concerned about, black culture or white culture?
Unlike you, my first concern is the culture of the blacks and right now it's a shame.
You are free to highlight the evils in white culture and I will not even argue that with you but clearly, black American is held back by it's negative cultures.

The solution to black violence in the US is not more policing, it's not more money. Both have been tried.

It's simple, change the culture.
Please, crime is not dependent on race or culture. The two most influential factors that affect crime are poverty and law enforcement.

I can tell you for a fact that I have relatives who live in secure estates in Chicago. As bad as Chicago is, their rich community is safe.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GracieX3(f): 10:43am On May 04
tctrills:
The argument is not DNA, it is cultural.
God doesn't create the culture, you create it and you can change it.
Killing of twins was culture, it was stopped.
Black on black violence is cultural, and it can be stopped.
Fatherlessness is cultural and we can put an end to it.
Hope you now understand the difference between DNA and culture?
You are welcome my brother.
Culture is a loose word. It is useless and meaningless when it comes to real world solutions towards crime.

Crime is dependent on two major factors. Poverty and law enforcement.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 10:46am On May 04
GracieX3:
Please, crime is not dependent on race or culture. The two most influential factors that affect crime are poverty and law enforcement.

I can tell you for a fact that I have relatives who live in secure estates in Chicago. As bad as Chicago is, their rich community is safe.
Obama doesn't agree with you.
In a speech about fatherlessness in the black community, he said kids that grow up without a father are 5x more likely to be poor and to commit crimes and 20x more likely to go to jail
So you see, even poverty can be reduced by 5x with a man at home.
Chicago that you mentioned spends billions on law enforcement and billions on poverty but these problems are not going away because of the culture of fatherlessness or what I call useless men.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) data for 2024–2026, homicide by firearm is the leading cause of death for Black men between the ages of 15 and 34.

This is a significant demographic outlier compared to other racial groups in the same age bracket, where the leading causes are typically unintentional injuries (accidents) or suicide.

Think about this, black on black crime is the leading cause of death amongst young black males.

You can defend it but until we change the culture, nothing will change.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:01am On May 04
GracieX3:
Culture is a loose word. It is useless and meaningless when it comes to real world solutions towards crime.

Crime is dependent on two major factors. Poverty and law enforcement.
Wrong.
Slavery was cultural, the culture shifted and it ended.
Today, Chicago spends billions on law enforcement and poverty. But that is not the solution.


Let's use Africa as case study.

Here are the 10 top countries by violent crime index in Africa.

South Africa
2 DR Congo
3 Nigeria
4 Cameroon
Angola
6 Namibia
7 Somalia
Mozambique
9 Zimbabwe
10 Libya

Now here are the poorest 10.

South Sudan
2 Burundi
3 Central African Republic
Somalia
5 DR Congo
6 Mozambique
7 Niger
Malawi
9 Chad
10 Liberia

We have only 2 poor countries in the violent nations top 10.

Please explain this.

Slovenia is one of the poorer EU countries yet it has the lowest violet crime rate.

Crime obviously goes beyond money or the lack of it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:18am On May 04
basilico:
When a significant portion of a homogeneous society engages in a particular activity ,a culture will build up.
Indians for instance have a business culture, they help each other from small stores to Big business.When most of them get educated they will join their fellow Indians
Black kids living with gangs within their neighborhood will grow up into that culture be it hip-hop, rap music, basketball etc.
Japanese have a culture of honesty and kindness. You'll find kids bowing to a driver who stops at a zebra crossing. Kids in creche going to school or shopping alone etc.
Blacks exposed to gang culture and easy shortcuts to quick money become criminally prone. They could be quite a number.
Argentina and Brazil kids grow up playing football in the streets. Many kids role models are great footballers, many gravitate to football.
You still havent answered the why. You have only said that kids are exposed to a certain culture. Why is that so called culture there in the first place.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:19am On May 04
tctrills:
Obama doesn't agree with you.
In a speech about fatherlessness in the black community, he said kids that grow up without a father are 5x more likely to be poor and to commit crimes and 20x more likely to go to jail
So you see, even poverty can be reduced by 5x with a man at home.
Chicago that you mentioned spends billions on law enforcement and billions on poverty but these problems are not going away because of the culture of fatherlessness or what I call useless men.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) data for 2024–2026, homicide by firearm is the leading cause of death for Black men between the ages of 15 and 34.

This is a significant demographic outlier compared to other racial groups in the same age bracket, where the leading causes are typically unintentional injuries (accidents) or suicide.

Think about this, black on black crime is the leading cause of death amongst young black males.

You can defend it but until we change the culture, nothing will change.
Absentee fatherhood is not anyone's culture. It is a circumstance that has arisen from definite social factors and predictors.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:21am On May 04
tctrills:
Black on black violence is cultural, and it can be stopped.
This is one of the most stupid and illiterate things I have ever read in my life. There is no culture specific to being violent to persons of its own race.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:24am On May 04
DeepSight:
This is one of the most stupid and illiterate things I have ever read in my life. There is no culture specific to being violent to persons of its own race.
As eh dey play eh dey show. You want us to under what we are seeing?

Again do you disagree with Obama that crime is linked to fatherlessness. In fact, fatherlessness is a factor by 5.

I am sure Obama knows much more than you, hence he felt the need to plead with fathers to remain at home.

I suspect Obama is not stupid and illiterate.
You kids used to listen to him.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:25am On May 04
DeepSight:
Absentee fatherhood is not anyone's culture. It is a circumstance that has arisen from definite social factors and predictors.
Cultures also arise from social factors and predictors so that's no point.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:26am On May 04
tctrills:
As eh dey play eh dey show. You want us to under what we are seeing?

Again do you disagree with Obama that crime is linked to fatherlessness. In fact, fatherlessness is a factor by 5.

I am sure Obama knows much more than you, hence he felt the need to plead with fathers to remain at home.

I suspect Obama is not stupid and illiterate.
You kids used to listen to him.
You dont know the meaning of the word "culture."
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:28am On May 04
tctrills:
Good, you are getting smart.
Whites also have very bad cultures that they should improve.
But I will leave it for whites to fix while you and I concern ourselves with fixing the evils in our culture.

You are finally getting it.

From the prompt below and it's result, you see that addiction is a cultural problem in the US. So yes, there are good and bad cultures and society should work to improve the bad or negative ones
So why is it that you have spoken suggesting that blacks in the US simply have a bad culture and implicitly suggesting that whites have a good culture and its as simple as that?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by nateevs(m): 11:28am On May 04
tctrills:
The argument is not DNA, it is cultural.
God doesn't create the culture, you create it and you can change it.
Killing of twins was culture, it was stopped.
Black on black violence is cultural, and it can be stopped.
Fatherlessness is cultural and we can put an end to it.
Hope you now understand the difference between DNA and culture?
You are welcome my brother.
Whose culture?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:30am On May 04
nateevs:
Whose culture?
The fellow is suffering from severe self hatred and inferiority complex. I am sure he approaches every white person he sees on the streets offering to be their servant for free or carry their bags. Sadly they will shoo the riff raff street urchin away.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:34am On May 04
DeepSight:
Absentee fatherhood is not anyone's culture. It is a circumstance that has arisen from definite social factors and predictors.
Clearly, it's much more than a money problem.
Black America has received 5 to 6 trillion in benefits since 1965.

Let's use the more conservative 5 trillion,
That's at least two and half times the Nigerian yearly budget.

That isn't fixing fatherlessness, it's not fixing crime. It is 'ot even fixing poverty.

Throwing money at it is not fixing it hence it is not a money problem.

It is a cultural problem QED.

Many argue that the Jews are an economic and military giant because the US funds them.

The US gives Israel about 3.5 billion Dollars each year while black America gets close to 70 billion.

The difference here is that one has a culture of growth while the other has a culture of poverty.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:36am On May 04
DeepSight:
So why is it that you have spoken suggesting that blacks in the US simply have a bad culture and implicitly suggesting that whites have a good culture and its as simple as that?
I said whites have a much better culture not necessarily a perfect culture. The results show.
Whites have there own problems but I will trade the cultural problems of white America any day with that of the blacks
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:37am On May 04
DeepSight:
You dont know the meaning of the word "culture."
Ok, teach me and let's see if your definition applies to fatherlessness.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GracieX3(f): 11:40am On May 04
tctrills:
Wrong.
Slavery was cultural, the culture shifted and it ended.
Today, Chicago spends billions on law enforcement and poverty. But that is not the solution.


Let's use Africa as case study.

Here are the 10 top countries by violent crime index in Africa.

South Africa
2 DR Congo
3 Nigeria
4 Cameroon
Angola
6 Namibia
7 Somalia
Mozambique
9 Zimbabwe
10 Libya

Now here are the poorest 10.

South Sudan
2 Burundi
3 Central African Republic
Somalia
5 DR Congo
6 Mozambique
7 Niger
Malawi
9 Chad
10 Liberia

We have only 2 poor countries in the violent nations top 10.

Please explain this.

Slovenia is one of the poorer EU countries yet it has the lowest violet crime rate.

Crime obviously goes beyond money or the lack of it.
1. Slavery happened across the world. Economics and religion are a better explanation. Culture does not work
2. All the African countries you listed are all poor countries (even south africa) with bad law enforcement, so your data set is useless.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GracieX3(f): 11:43am On May 04
tctrills:
Cultures also arise from social factors and predictors so that's no point.
Deepsight and I have corrected you.

Culture is useless when identifying and creating a solution to sociological problems.

We look at the direct factors that influence and create such societal problems. And research has shown that poverty and law enforcement are the two major problems that influence crime.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:44am On May 04
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:45am On May 04
GracieX3:
Deepsight and I have corrected you.

Culture is useless when identifying and creating a solution to sociological problems.

We look at the direct factors that influence and create such societal problems. And research has shown that poverty and law enforcement are the two major problems that influence crime.
And I have proved that you are wrong. Why are the most violent countries in Africa not the poorest?

This alone should help you understand that it is not a poverty problem
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:47am On May 04
GracieX3:
1. Slavery happened across the world. Economics and religion are a better explanation. Culture does not work
2. All the African countries you listed are all poor countries (even south africa) with bad law enforcement, so your data set is useless.
Do you even understand how data works.
South Africa is many time richer than central African republic yet many times more violent. Can you explain that with your economics argument.

I am dieing to see how you explain this simple one.

And religion is a huge part of culture just so you know
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:47am On May 04
tctrills:
I said whites have a much better culture not necessarily a perfect culture. The results show.
Whites have there own problems but I will trade the cultural problems of white America any day with that of the blacks
You really don't know what is responsible for the advancement of peoples.

Whites do not have a better culture. There are specific reasons for their advancement.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:49am On May 04
tctrills:
Do you even understand how data works.
South Africa is many time richer than central African republic yet many times more violent. Can you explain that with your economics argument.

I am dieing to see how you explain this simple one.

And religion is a huge part of culture just so you know
I warned you that you cannot compare apples with oranges. SA has a unique history. And that history has a unique psycho-social impact.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:50am On May 04
DeepSight:
Shame on certain people. Listen to this White South African Woman.

And be ashamed.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sholamos-shogbamimu_to-the-afrophobic-black-south-africans-white-activity-7456308064162443264-VNak?utm_source=social_share_send&utm_medium=android_app&rcm=ACoAAAR4bv8B2eiS6BXoxT7neR7ah6REJ2e69Tg&utm_campaign=share_via

TV01, Bemeruca, tctrills
I am not sure I understand how this has to do with the present discussion but I will love to see you make the connections.

You seem to be saying that because I want better cultural practices from my fellow blacks, I should be ashamed of myself.

In short I should require less from my people
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:53am On May 04
DeepSight:
I warned you that you cannot compare apples with oranges. SA has a unique history. And that history has a unique psycho-social impact.
Every country has a unique history. Saying south Africa has its history so it can be used in comparison makes no sense.

But then, I presented the list of the Ten most violent countries in Africa, only 2 are among the 10 poorest.

So let's grant you South Africa, talk about the remaining 7.

Let's hear your argument
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:56am On May 04
tctrills:
Clearly, it's much more than a money problem.
Black America has received 5 to 6 trillion in benefits since 1965.

Let's use the more conservative 5 trillion,
That's at least two and half times the Nigerian yearly budget.

That isn't fixing fatherlessness, it's not fixing crime. It is 'ot even fixing poverty.

Throwing money at it is not fixing it hence it is not a money problem.

It is a cultural problem QED.

Many argue that the Jews are an economic and military giant because the US funds them.

The US gives Israel about 3.5 billion Dollars each year while black America gets close to 70 billion.

The difference here is that one has a culture of growth while the other has a culture of poverty.
You like math right. Alright.

Let's take your five trillion. Divide by sixty years since 1965. 83 billion per year. Divide by average population over that period which is 35 million. Result. A little over two thousand dollars per year.

Then take your 80 per cent of benefits which you yourself said went to other races. Result would be x4 what blacks got. Almost Ten thousand dollars per head.

So what are you on about.

Until you understand that you have an anti-black bias, you can't start on the road to having clarity of analysis. Because, for you, it's a simple case of of white, good, black, bad.

A pitiful condition for a black man to suffer.

I truly pity you. Honestly. I do.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:58am On May 04
DeepSight:
You really don't know what is responsible for the advancement of peoples.

Whites do not have a better culture. There are specific reasons for their advancement.
Do you agree that Japanese have a work culture?
We can pick out the good and bad in every culture.
The reason for the advancement of a people is this, people did things, made changes. And when enough people are doing these things society begins to change. That is culture.
The entire society will 'ot come one day and vote on the culture.
It's one person at a time, one leader at a time. That is how culture is established
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:58am On May 04
tctrills:
I am not sure I understand how this has to do with the present discussion but I will love to see you make the connections.

You seem to be saying that because I want better cultural practices from my fellow blacks, I should be ashamed of myself.

In short I should require less from my people
You don't know the meaning of culture. You heard a white man say black culture is the problem and you licked it off the ground he spat it down on.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GracieX3(f): 11:59am On May 04
tctrills:
Do you even understand how data works.
South Africa is many time richer than central African republic yet many times more violent. Can you explain that with your economics argument.

I am dieing to see how you explain this simple one.

And religion is a huge part of culture just so you know
You are the one that doesn't understand data and statistics.

1. Compare poor to rich countries to see the variance. No, you chose to compare poor and poorer countries and you expect sense to come out of the data.

2. There is a second factor that you ignored- law enforcement. That can also explain the variance from poor to poorer countries. Not to also consider population size and type of crime....

3. I want to see the source of your data because you are a well known deceiver here.

4. Religion affects culture. It has an overlap with culture but it is still distinct from culture.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:59am On May 04
tctrills:
Do you agree that Japanese have a work culture?
We can pick out the good and bad in every culture.
The reason for the advancement of a people is this, people did things, made changes. And when enough people are doing these things society begins to change. That is culture.
The entire society will 'ot come one day and vote on the culture.
It's one person at a time, one leader at a time. That is how culture is established
Non-starter.
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