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The worship of the devil is "good" and not bad. The idea of Angels and Demons is a symbolic weapon crafted by man for man.


In the Garden of Eden story, God gave man dominion over the Garden to do as he pleased except eat the forbidden fruit. When man disobeyed, man lost dominion over Eden. The devil has been in existence since the period of Garden of Eden and the devil has always competed and collaborated with God according to the Bible.


Eve's alliance with the devil and not with God is "not" sin in the natural sense of things - Eve simply obeyed her body's desire. God was the opposite of that desire. There's nothing wrong with an Apple - the Apple in Eden was just a prop of God to differentiate between good and bad.


As living beings, we consciously and unconsciously worship the devil in honesty and worship God in Deceit. Our man-made laws make life experiences limited - and when our nature is tested we deviate. Many may have affirmed a healthy life just sinning - while those who follow the scriptures to the latter lose their good health overtime.



Why we should worship the Devil often? It makes us genuine. The free-will and the freedom of man is coined "sin" and rebuked. If man goes against the laws of God, he is condemned. In an enlightened period, man has discovered freedom through knowledge and is no longer gagged with restrictive statements likes "don't question God". However, many are still in the dark.


The devil promoted here, is not spiritual nor biblical - but a synonym of the word "nature". As a result of our orientation, the concept of Devil is preached to us as bad - whereas, it's the idea behind it that is.


Obeying your nature is good and shouldn't be mistaken for sin or a devilish act.



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It is natural to steal Oya, obey it!

It's unGodly to lie, obey that too!

Dtruthspeaker:
It is natural to steal Oya, obey it!

kayjordan:
It's unGodly to lie, obey that too!

Deflection and Fallacy of Tu que quo.

It's a reflection test for a Pot calling Kettle black.

Dtruthspeaker:
Deflection and Fallacy of Tu que quo.

kayjordan:
It's a reflection test for a Pot calling Kettle black.

Your deflection, Fallacy and trying to make excuses for your error means that you are the pot and charcoal

I didn't preach perfection - I preached the laws of nature.

So I'm openly admitting I'm not perfect as a result of my nature.

The question is - are you? (Defender of Christ)

Dtruthspeaker:
Your deflection, Fallacy and trying to make excuses for your error means that you are the pot and charcoal

kayjordan:
I didn't preach perfection - I preached the laws of nature.

So I'm openly admitting I'm not perfect as a result of my nature.

The question is - are you? (Defender of Christ)

But your preaching was wrong which is what I corrected.

So the perfection here is that you should always preach what is right and perfect.

Then, there is the next law of "practice what you preach."

My preaching is justified.

Doing what is right is a matter of choice - and for that reason man created constitutional laws to guide man's choices.


A dog practices what he preaches - a dog is not tied by laws - a dog has a choice.


But a Christian doesn't practice what he/she preaches or learns - because there's an ongoing war between what they "hear in church" and that "strippers club" they want to attend...

Dtruthspeaker:
But your preaching was wrong which is what I corrected.

So the perfection here is that you should always preach what is right and perfect.

Then, there is the next law of "practice what you preach."

kayjordan:
The worship of the devil is "good" and not bad. The idea of Angels and Demons is a symbolic weapon crafted by man for man.


In the Garden of Eden story, God gave man dominion over the Garden to do as he pleased except eat the forbidden fruit. When man disobeyed, man lost dominion over Eden. The devil has been in existence since the period of Garden of Eden and the devil has always competed and collaborated with God according to the Bible.


Eve's alliance with the devil and not with God is "not" sin in the natural sense of things - Eve simply obeyed her body's desire. God was the opposite of that desire. There's nothing wrong with an Apple - the Apple in Eden was just a prop of God to differentiate between good and bad.


As living beings, we consciously and unconsciously worship the devil in honesty and worship God in Deceit. Our man-made laws make life experiences limited - and when our nature is tested we deviate. Many may have affirmed a healthy life just sinning - while those who follow the scriptures to the latter lose their good health overtime.



Why we should worship the Devil often? It makes us genuine. The free-will and the freedom of man is coined "sin" and rebuked. If man goes against the laws of God, he is condemned. In an enlightened period, man has discovered freedom through knowledge and is no longer gagged with restrictive statements likes "don't question God". However, many are still in the dark.


The devil promoted here, is not spiritual nor biblical - but a synonym of the word "nature". As a result of our orientation, the concept of Devil is preached to us as bad - whereas, it's the idea behind it that is.


Obeying your nature is good and shouldn't be mistaken for sin or a devilish act.



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This one has booked permanent place in hell.

kayjordan:
The devil promoted here, is not spiritual nor biblical - but a synonym of the word "nature". As a result of our orientation, the concept of Devil is preached to us as bad - whereas, it's the idea behind it that is.
Obeying your nature is good and shouldn't be mistaken for sin or a devilish act. ###

What is natural that God contradicts?🤔

Nature is rarely contradicted by God - it's rather a functional tool for God's purpose.


You are not wrong having worldly desires. God wants to see if man can live without desires (discipline).


That's the true intention.

MaxInDHouse:
What is natural that God contradicts?🤔

Hell is what you are experiencing now.

The fact you're in this world - that's hell, the fact that you are a born Nigerian and not a born American - that's probably even more hell.


So practically, you're being permanently bookmarked for Hell already.

Ken4Christ:
This one has booked permanent place in hell.

kayjordan:
Nature is rarely contradicted by God - it's rather a functional tool for God's purpose.
You are not wrong having worldly desires. God wants to see if man can live without desires (discipline).
That's the true intention.

The question:

Mention one worldly desire forbidden by God but beneficial for humans!

"Thou shall not commit adultery" - this is a worldly desire forbidden by God but beneficial for humans - for the purpose of procreation.


If I may add as well:
"Thou shall not lie" - a lie can set you free from time to time and it's beneficial - it's called "survival".

MaxInDHouse:
The question:

Mention one worldly desire forbidden by God but beneficial for humans!

kayjordan:
"Thou shall not commit adultery"

Please what exactly is the meaning of the word "ADULTERY"?

To me it means extramarital intimacy between two unmarried mates but if they are married God is not against it that is why He joined Adam and Eve to become a couple and blessed them so that they can PROCREATE! Genesis 1:26-28

kayjordan:
If I may add as well:
"Thou shall not lie" - a lie can set you free from time to time and it's beneficial - it's called "survival".

Do you think it's beneficial when some policemen arrest you and LIED that you are the only member of a robbery gang they caught after they have taken a bribe from the real culprits?🤔

If that's your definition - then it's a choice you've made - however, the lay man definition of "Adultery" is when either partner have sexual intercourse with another partner outside the marriage.

While procreation can happen in both "marriage" and "adultery" situations, they both still serve the same purpose - "procreation".

But for the sake of the modern world, "procreation in marriage" is the accepted one.


To the next point:

If you are lied against by the police for being the only robbery gang member they caught after taking bribes from the real culprits - then that's a situation called "survival of the fittest".


If you woke up late and arrived late to work, your boss will ask you - why are you late? Will you say - "You woke up late" or "You got stuck in traffic" It becomes a moral question - what's expected of you? To be morally right or to "survive the situation". Many chose survival 90% of the time.


The nature of man is wicked, selfish and greedy and that's why the people of the world came together to create religion - a system of beliefs that will control man's nature.


That's the similar reason why laws are made as well - to regulate man's actions.


No law can stop your nature - your nature will continue to be "maintained" by laws - be them constitutional laws or biblical laws.


The golden question you're probably asking for is if I'm in support of a lawless society? NO in the aspect of harm; YES in the aspect of free-will.

I'll explain:

I support "realistic" control of human behavior which is powered by the constitutional laws.

I do not support "unrealistic" control of human behavior which is powered by the Bible and God.


Real Life Scenario 1:
Bible: "Today is Sunday! It's time to go to church...

You: "It's raining! I'll go next week "

...


Real life Scenario 2:
Alarm Clock: "Alarm clock rings at 7AM on a rainy Monday morning"

You: (you wake up 1 hour after Alarm ring) "Oh shit! I'm freaking late and it's raining" (jumps out of bed to get to work)

...

That's a classic display of what is real and what you're made to "believe" is real.


Constitutions were designed after a careful study of human behavior, that is why some constitutional laws are realistically achievable.


Biblical laws are done without consideration of human behavior - and created only on the "will" of God.


For example: the law gives you rights to movement and freedom of expression (realistic) ; the Biblical law restrains you from freedom of expression (unrealistic).



So the nature of man is good - it only becomes bad if it affects others and that's where the law comes in.


Regardless the corrections, forgiveness, discipline and conscious acting - nature will always prevail.

MaxInDHouse:
Please what exactly is the meaning of the word "ADULTERY"?

To me it means extramarital intimacy between two unmarried mates but if they are married God is not against it that is why He joined Adam and Eve to become a couple and blessed them so that they can PROCREATE! Genesis 1:26-28



Do you think it's beneficial when some policemen arrest you and LIED that you are the only member of a robbery gang they caught after they have taken a bribe from the real culprits?🤔

kayjordan:
While procreation can happen in both "marriage" and "adultery" situations, they both still serve the same purpose - "procreation".

If you were asked to choose between being born by a real couple and out of wedlock which would you prefer?🙂

kayjordan:
If you are lied against by the police for being the only robbery gang member they caught after taking bribes from the real culprits - then that's a situation called "survival of the fittest".

Will you welcome this your opinion if it happened to your only child?

Answer 1: I would prefer being born by a real couple.

Answer 2: If it happened to my only child, I'd fight the system till my son and I finally win.


The Defence:

ADULTERY:
Adultery is a heart changing experience. It's natural to get tired on existing love and move on to new exciting love. You will be emotionally betraying your partner loving another man's partner even if you're still holding onto your existing marriage and with no infidelity.

Male animals are naturally not loyal to a specific female specie simply because there's no law enforcing loyalty. Life is simple and sinless in the animal kingdom.

In a modern day society, people will choose to be in a united family than a dysfunctional or separated family due to new world experiences and orientation.

You are a product of the new world orientation - but you have the natural animal instinct (old world) as your foundation.



LYING:
Lying is a strategic tool. It's a human nature of "I want to save myself". Now, you don't just stand there and preach injustice, you fight to finish.

In the animal kingdom, there's no right, there's no wrong. The "only" thing that is wrong is what you "experience" as a prey - because it's done onto you.

Is it right for a Lion to attack a Deer, "Yes" ; is it right for a Deer to escape, "Yes".


If the Lions doesn't attack (lie), they will starve to death. If the Deers don't escape (fight/defend), they will not live another day.


Verdict:
The difference between Sin (nature) and God = Apple!

If there's no Apple, how do you know if you're sinning or not. Life would be normal - unclothedness would be normal just as the animal kingdom is.

But due to complex human personalities encountered daily amid the bliss and chaos, science created secular laws to create a "balance" between variating personalities - not to change anyone.

Where religious laws bring confusion and war, scientific laws bring compatible order to replace the religious order.



The question I will ask you is: If you're a married man and you encounter a gorgeous woman who seduces you with her cleavage and revealing outfit in private, what would you honestly do?


The question I will ask you again is: Do you obey Commandment laws because it's the right thing to do or obey Commandnent laws because you fear consequences?

MaxInDHouse:
If you were asked to choose between being born by a real couple and out of wedlock which world you prefer?🙂


Will you welcome this your opinion if it happened to your only child?

So God never wanted what is not good for you that's why He condemned ADULTERY and LYING! 🙂

kayjordan:
Answer 1: I would prefer being born by a real couple.
Answer 2: If it happened to my only child, I'd fight the system till my son and I finally win.

kayjordan:
There's nothing wrong with an Apple - the Apple in Eden was just a prop of God to differentiate between good and bad.

Who told you the forbidden fruit was an apple? Kindly quote the scripture in the bible that says so.

Yes, that's what God wants in a secular society but not what a secular society wants - to the secular society, "Adultery & lies" are both good and bad - the reasons for these acts would determine if they are good or bad.

Second, people are living "staged" lives - you must act married to avoid scrutiny ; you must cling onto your wife you don't really love to avoid scrutiny.

Third, you have to lie or pay a bribe at some point to avoid a problem or danger. The truth sets you free - and lies sets you free as well.


In a nutshell: We often hear - "people are not perfect" - but my question to you (which you obviously love avoiding for some reason) is have you sinned before and what motivated you to sin?

You can answer my previous unanswered questions as well.

MaxInDHouse:
So God never wanted what is not good for you that's why He condemned ADULTERY and LYING! 🙂

To be frank with you, we don't really know - we weren't born in that Era to be able to tell which it was - neither can we tell if Jesus was black or white.


But the focal point is, the "object of sin" whether it's an apple, banana, or bra.


I do not have the scripture - but I hear often - "Forbidden Fruit".


So since that is established, it's specific type doesn't change the argument still.

Nelson21:
Who told you the forbidden fruit was an apple? Kindly quote the scripture in the bible that says so.

kayjordan:
Yes, that's what God wants in a secular society but not what a secular society wants.

So if you chose what is good there can't be any reasonable individual who will choose the opposite definitely majority of humans are evil for preferring what is evil. But when it will affect them they will outrightly reject it:

kayjordan:
I would prefer being born by a real couple.
If it happened to my only child, I'd fight the system till my son and I finally win.

🙂

kayjordan:
To be frank with you, we don't really know - we weren't born in that Era to be able to tell which it was - neither can we tell if Jesus was black or white.


But the focal point is, the "object of sin" whether it's an apple, banana, or bra.


I do not have the scripture - but I hear often - "Forbidden Fruit".


So since that is established, it's specific type doesn't change the argument still.

If the fruit was not an apple why assume it was an apple? That would make the whole of your argument look like assumptions.

That's exactly what I mentioned earlier in my comment - "it is when you are a prey in the wild, that you feel the attack is bad" - but when not attacked but others are attacked instead, it's considered normal.


So the reason why you'd likely accepts the seductive woman to sleep with you is because, your body may consider it normal - but if it's your son or daughter being cheated on by their partners, you would not be happy with such actions - or would you?


To bring it up to your pedestal, Churches typically trade in "Capital Lies" - the Church would preach prosperity on earth to get you to ATTEND SERVICE whereas, the designated message is salvation which they know would DRIVE YOU AWAY - but your conscience knows, you take transit to church or drive to church for "one" thing.


Christians also "re-interpret" bible passages to suit their lifestyle - some will say especially when condemned by the Church for their dressing - "it's not by what you wear, but by your heart" - as if they are wiser than the Pastor or scripture.



Even up to the HIGHEST mountains of Spirituality, "LIES" is a proven effective marketing strategy used by both the church and congregation - why? Because of the Power of Nature.

MaxInDHouse:
So if you chose what is good there can't be any reasonable individual who will choose the opposite definitely majority of humans are evil for preferring what is evil. But when it will affect them they will outrightly reject it:


🙂

You ask why?

Simply because "NO ONE CAN BE RELIGIOUSLY RIGHT"

You can be right scientifically on terminology but not on religion - religion is too controversial for definitions.

That's why assumption is the safest way to understand God's word.

Nelson21:
If the fruit was not an apple why assume it was an apple? That would make the whole of your argument look like assumptions.

kayjordan:
That's exactly what I mentioned earlier in my comment - "it is when you are a prey in the wild, that you feel the attack is bad" - but when not attacked but others are attacked instead, it's considered normal.

So you consider yourself an animal not capable of reasoning or you just want to kill your conscience?

Because you don't want what is evil for yourself but feels it's normal for others.


Well right thinking humans wants what is good for everyone!🙂

kayjordan:
My preaching is justified.

Doing what is right is a matter of choice - and for that reason man created constitutional laws to guide man's choices.


A dog practices what he preaches - a dog is not tied by laws - a dog has a choice.


But a Christian doesn't practice what he/she preaches or learns - because there's an ongoing war between what they "hear in church" and that "strippers club" they want to attend...

A dog preaches?
Ah clearly your mkpimiri is still affecting you.

kayjordan:
Hell is what you are experiencing now.

The fact you're in this world - that's hell, the fact that you are a born Nigerian and not a born American - that's probably even more hell.

So practically, you're being permanently bookmarked for Hell already.

Chai poor people. Always thinking that America is better.

Anyway, if Nigeria is hel foru, then it is clear that your destiny to the real helu is sealed, hence we understand where all this is coming from

A dog can preach - guess what, If a dog calls a girl you love so much with a "bark" , it's preaching to her what he wants to practise with her.

Dtruthspeaker:
A dog preaches?
Ah clearly your mkpimiri is still affecting you.

Nelson21:
Who told you the forbidden fruit was an apple? Kindly quote the scripture in the bible that says so.

When people are suffering they do not read well