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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 3:27pm On May 16
cococandy:
Phew grin

I know when you started your bragging about bedding teenagers, it was probably one of those lame attempts conservative men make at shaming women for waiting until they’re older to start families. Probably did it for a lil
pat on the back from other Neanderthals 🤭.

You didn’t imagine it would come back to bite you in the but like this. Now look at you. All embarrassed. Looking silly and clutching to fiction as a way to try to get a word in. You would shush if had any shame but we know you don’t. Carry on.
What's biting me? That I can have babies with an adult, 18 or 19? Lmao okay. If she wants it there is no shame there. Just so you know 😂

You’re trying too hard to turn 18 or 19-year-old adult women can make their own choices into something creepy because you have no real argument. Also, people do creepy things with their own agency and you should support it because "my body my choice"

18, the law treats a woman as an adult. She can vote, sign contracts, join the military, choose birth control, get an abortion, move out, and marry.

You no go scream “my body, my choice” only when the choice agrees with you, then suddenly act like an adult woman has no agency when she chooses marriage or family.

Nobody here is defending force, abuse, or manipulation. The point is simple and short (your size) : adults can consent. If an 18 or 19-year-old woman willingly chooses marriage or children, that is her decision.

You may not like it, but your personal disgust is not the standard for adulthood. So cry a river 😂

Also, most people who marry young usually marry close to their own age. You’re pretending this is automatically some old-man-with-teenager situation because that is the only way your argument works.
So no, nothing is biting me.

You just tried to shame adult consensual choices while pretending to be pro-choice. That is the contradiction.

Try another angle.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 3:41pm On May 16
The bla bla blas of a pay dough. Moving on
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 3:53pm On May 16
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
My belle o.

Humans 🤣

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by armyofone(m): 4:01pm On May 16
cococandy:
Saudi Arabia is building a Trump resort and Qatar gifted him a nice new jet.

I guess America didn’t have a jet for him.
Using American tax payers money to inflate their pocket and build legacy wealth.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:07pm On May 16
Now, basilico, this was the post that triggered the Treaty of Reasonableness. I said I will come back to it. But beyond the direct issues you raise here, the holistic matter still boils down to the apparent backwardness (lower develpment) of the black race/ black countries in the current age, and that matter will be the subject of my response to TV01 in another post, in which I will copy you.

But for direct responses to this, here -

basilico:
North Korea trajectory is unlike any other country in modern history The founder is a deity,his son is a deity and the present grandson one is the holy priest.
It is simply effectively a hereditary absolute monarchy where the monarch is seen as a deity and in that regard is not unique in history. Egyptian pharaohs, Alexander the Great, Roman Emperors, the Emperors of Japan up till the mid twentieth century, the rulers of the Khmer (Cambodia) and the foolish Emperor Bokassa of Central African Republic, are examples.

But this is an aside. What is key about North Korea is the absoluteness of its totalitarianism, period. You should bear in mind that Korea was one country and split post-WW2 via the cold war era Korean War. Thereafter, the USA flooded South Korea with investment, technology and its culture, while North Korea adopted the closed totalitarian disposition of communist states China and Russia.

However this is still a little beside the point, even if it explains the immediate causes. The real point is that the peoples of that part of the world have had a completely different history and development trajectory from the peoples of black Africa. Therefore temporary set backs are not enough to imagine that both started the race from the same line. It would be like asking why African countries are not at a par with China and Japan since both countries had to start developing again post WW2. THAT would fail to take cognizance of the fact that these countries have a deep developed history reaching into antiquity and merely destroying their cities does not erase that at all! The mind has reached a certain form and disposition and that is the real development - physical structures will follow!

Fun fact: The oldest hotel in the world which has been in continuous operation is in Japan and it has been in operation for over one thousand years. Beat that.

Thats deep. So calm down when making comparisons okay?

A contradiction. If a homogeneous society is more likely to develop than one which is not. Why then do you support immigration?
A homogenous society has advantages such as natural patriotism and an easier path to peaceful coexistence and these two factors, peace and patriotism are absolutely indispensable for development.

This is a fact.

Look at Europe. There is a country called England and there is a language called English. German, Germany. Poland, Polish. France, French. Spain, Spanish. Portugal, Portuguese. Italy, Italian. Greece, Greek.

But there is a country called Nigeria and no language called Nigerian.

And we know why.

Because it is a cobbled together entity which has more languages than the whole of Europe put together.

In fact, most European languages are really just dialects of two main sets of languages - the Latin set and the Germanic set. That is how close they are. And yet to achieve the peace and patriotism necessary for development, they have had to battle it out for a millennium.

TV01, basilico, hear this well: development is a path that must be lived and made local in mindset. It is not words on paper that can be photocopied. Institutions and traditions require lived experience. Nothing can substitute it. Not globalization, not the internet and not AI.

Nonetheless this does not mean that non-homogenous societies do not develop, of course they do, simply with more tumult thats all. And we have seen the unique example of America which is a nation of immigrants and has profited massively from the ideas and industry that people from ALL OVER THE WORLD have brought to it. A nation such as America therefore has a unique trajectory and I dare say that it is actually un-American to be anti-immigration because realistically, except native Americans everyone else there can be called an immigrant or the descendant of immigrants. This is, of course not to go so far back in human history that we will have to call even the native Americans immigrants as well.

If the white South Africa produce everything, majority of their customers are the black . That's the area govt needs to look at. The mass population is the economic driver.
South Africans have a higher income per Capita than the rest of Africa, they found systems and structures in place . Are they destroying these systems. For example the judiciary.
There is absolutely no reason black owned businesses and should not be doing well.
A penny for your thoughts.
South Africa is another unique case on account of Apartheid. Even tctrills your co-traveler admitted that its silly to expect black South Africa to emerge developed in 30 years. As I have explained above, they will have to battle their conflicts, internal inconsistencies, prejudices, inequalities and social psychology and melt into an even paste that will permit gradual peace and a sense of oneness sufficient to ground and pursue true development. Not all the advancement of steel and industry brought by the white man can magically do it. It has to be lived.

And there is nothing strange about this. It does not make them savage or inferior. It is just the natural path of all human societies.

You have to bear in mind, finally, that at all ages of time, different societies had different stages of development. Its like a cycle, and so it is not wise to look at one race and laugh them off because at a particular point in the cycle, they are lagging behind. Where were the Caucasians when Persia, Babylon and Egypt ruled the world? Where were Britain and Germany when Rome and Greece ruled (and yet these were people of the same race in the same area? The answer rests in the geography that TV01 so lightly dismisses).

Time and empires are in cycles.

When Europeans found the major cities of meso-America, they recorded that not even the biggest cities of Europe at the time could compare with their splendor and grandeur.

Yet a few factors decided the day. Mainly guns and disease.

cc: Ijebos / LordReed / cococandy / bemeruca / benalvino3 / Obrigardo / GracieX3 / raumdeuter / anonimi / GloriousGbola / RogersAkpafu /Bayelsaowei
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:09pm On May 16
armyofone:
Using American tax payers money to inflate their pocket and build legacy wealth.
We need proof that taxpayer money was directly diverted into his personal pocket. Just saying he is building legacy wealth is not an argument by itself.

You can criticize conflicts of interest, government spending, or whether politicians benefit from office.

Oaky. But pretending a billionaire with jets, hotels, and global name recognition needed the presidency to inflate his pocket is not serious.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:25pm On May 16
cococandy:
I know you think this is a gotcha. And I’m responding to you against my better judgment because I don’t discuss terminations with men on the internet. But seeing as we are talking about teenagers I’ll oblige you. I support terminations in many instances and one of them is in immature mothers. Aka all underage moms. The kinds you and your ilk like.

Statistically most underage moms have adult partners in their 20s and 30s. Such a travesty. Your baby mama should’ve gotten one (or several). Since we don’t know how many times you abused her.
And this is generally the approach of most sane and wise people. Motherhood is not a task for adolescents. The skill set and character attributes required are deep adult stuff.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:28pm On May 16
benalvino3:
you are confusing condemning greed with condemning wealth itself. We should use the Bible correctly and not use it to push our biased opinions.

The Bible does not say being rich is automatically evil. Bible warn against loving money, oppressing the poor, and trusting in riches instead of God. The position you hold is a failed system.

Many billionaires and wealthy people have created jobs, fund things like hospitals, paid scholarships, supported medical research, disaster relief, food programs, universities, churches, and charities.

That does not mean every billionaire is good, but pretending they only rip off the system is dishonest.
So do us a favour and tell us how they ripped off the system?

The same Bible you quoted also says:

1 Timothy 6:17-18
Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth… Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share.

Notice the Bible does not say command the rich to stop being rich. It just says they should be humble, generous, and do good.

Even Abraham, Job, David, Solomon, Joseph of Arimathea, and others were wealthy. Their wealth was not the sin. The sin is greed, oppression, pride, and refusing to help others.

Proverbs 13:22 says:
A good person leaves an inheritance for their children’s children.

So the Bible supports building wealth responsibly.

What it condemns is wickedness and selfishness.

Even the passage you quoted in 2 Corinthians was about voluntary generosity among believers, not government-forced welfare or hatred of people who have more.

Paul was encouraging giving from the heart, not teaching jealousy or class warfare (cococandy)

So yes, help the poor. Yes, condemn greedy billionaires. But don’t pretend every wealthy person is evil or that poverty is solved by insulting people who create value, businesses, jobs etc. You don't even believe half of what you are saying.
Good heavens, the Devil quoteth scripture.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m):
benalvino3:
19 is not underage, not even 18. Some of whom moms like you groom to follow older rich men. But for someone like you who aborted a couple as a teenager, I understand your advocacy for abortion.
I asked you for a link you are yet to provide. You have never provided evidence of all your ad hominems.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:32pm On May 16
cococandy:
What do you call employing people at just below minimum hours so that you don’t have to pay health insurance as the law requires for all full time employees? Not greed?

What’s the proper way to describe lobbying politicians to reduce regulations so that you don’t have to observe safety rules. Just to save a few bucks while risking the lives of your workers and the communities where your industries are? That’s not greed?

What do you call monopolizing insurance companies and pharmacies and hospitals so that you as an organization can dictate how much an ICU stay costs (millions of dollars for week stay BTW) and the insurance company can’t refuse to pay you because you own it and the Pharmacy can’t charge the patient less for medications because you also own. And the people who regulate the system can’t say jack because you own them too?

You’re quite happily show us how slow your neurons fire with every line you utter. This conversation is beyond you because you don’t even begin to understand how American greed works. Just yapping to yap.
This talk is above his paygrade. He doesnt have the basic literacy to grasp what you have put out here. Sigh.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:35pm On May 16
cococandy:
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This shame of being a pay dough is yours alone to carry. You can’t project it on anyone else.

E
I know if the law allows them to marry at 13, you’ll be down there in the playgrounds scouting for a 13 year old child. Agadi na agwo ofe.

R
That’s why I never bought into the “protect the kids” hogwash of the right wing. They were only political props at the time. But at the end of the day, your precedents speaks for itself.

V
From openly lusting after them on the internet to admitting to sleeping with them and your law makers voting against outlawing child marriage, you show yourselves as the true danger to kids.

E
We can’t let you forget that. And you can never succeed at projecting it onto other people.

R

Kids are not safe around you guys. End of discussion
T
Well said.

And thanks for teaching an Igbo proverb. I checked it up. Rich.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:37pm On May 16
benalvino3:
My point is simple: you cannot take the bad actions of some wealthy people or corporations and use that to condemn wealth itself or every billionaire.

That is short or lazy reasoning.

The Bible encourages rich people.

It's the governments job to protect people from being exploited. There are laws that governs wages.

Everyone earns differently. A care helper like you earns wages. A small business owner earns profit. An investor earns returns. A founder’s wealth grows when the company they built becomes more valuable

Billionaires’ wealth is tied to ownership, shares, investments, real estate, companies, and assets.

Their net worth rises or falls based on the value of those assets. Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Zuckerberg etc etc. are not collecting billions per month in paychecks.

Elon musk does not have 20billion sitting in his bank. Bayelsaowei you know about investments and assets. It's a shame that you are indulging yourself in this nonsensical talk as who knows who you are, you might be building your wealth.

You people rgument is: Some rich people are greedy, therefore billionaires are bad. That is emotional, not intelligent, that's envy when you acting as if billionaires receive billions of dollars every month like a salary. That is not how wealth works.

Deuteronomy 8:18 says:
But remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth.
No one has ever said billionaires are bad simpliciter.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:41pm On May 16
cococandy:
I’m trying to understand your warped logic. So because unwholesome websites allow teenagers to participate in their unwholesome activities, that makes it okay for you to partake? What a weird take .

Also makes my point. If 13 was the limit we’d find you there as well. No consideration for maturity etc.

Pay dough.

Now we’re marrying and starting families with them too? Silly liar. Always lying .
Even with 18 being considered adult, I am very hesitant about grown men who go after women that young, and by grown men I am referring generally to people in their early thirties and above. Its not just about my personal preference (I cant go near a woman less than 40, or it would be rare) - but intrinsically, for men in the full bloom of adulthood and middle age (30s - 50s), truly an 18 year old should be considered too young. Its weird.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:42pm On May 16
DeepSight:
I asked you for a link you are yet to provided. You have never provided evidence of all you ad hominems.
Link about what?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 4:42pm On May 16
armyofone:
Using American tax payers money to inflate their pocket and build legacy wealth.
They’ll say you’re jealous for pointing this out.

Everyone who accompanied him on this trip was an oligarch of some sort. All expenses funded by the American tax payer. All benefits goes to them.

But what do I know, I don’t work hard enough I guess grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 4:43pm On May 16
Criminal trespass. If a policeman opens the door for you and you enter is that trespass?
Talking about trespass,the one person whose resence made that charge valid was nowhere near the ground at the time .She was just a few feet away from the Capitol Hill bomb .

There were 1500 people whose lives were ruined. I'd have to look at what charges they accumulated later to conclude if that criminal gene resides in them.

GracieX3:
Why are so many January sixers hardened criminals? They pardoned them and they still went on to commit crimes.


They are guilty of criminal trespass at least. What were they doing in the capitol building in the first place?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 4:43pm On May 16
DeepSight:
No one has ever said billionaires are bad simpliciter.
He likes to make up things and run with it
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:44pm On May 16
benalvino3:
It's real, and she has been saying crap like this left and right.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtUX1BQGYoo
Well thats stupid of her.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:47pm On May 16
DeepSight:
Well thats stupid of her.
You are saying she is stupid but she sounds exactly like you
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:48pm On May 16
bemeruca:
Link about what?
You alleged something about Ijebos using another handle and fleeing when caught out by budaatum. The reason I am holding you to proof is because you just make all sorts of outlandish childish claims about everyone you disagree with.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 4:49pm On May 16
DeepSight:
Even with 18 being considered adult, I am very hesitant about grown men who go after women that young, and by grown men I am referring generally to people in their early thirties and above. It not just about my personal preference (I cant go near a woman less than 40, or it would be rare) - but intrinsically, for men in the full bloom of adulthood and middle age (30s - 50s), truly an 18 year old should be considered too young. Its weird.
Adult men should be with women who are unambiguously grown. Anything other than that is simply weird. You’re absolutely correct.

When a man has to defend himself by saying they technically adults because the legal age is 18, it’s gives the impression that legality is the only thing stopping him.

We wouldn’t vote an 18 year old into the lowest office possible, we wouldn’t enter into business arrangements with them. We wouldn’t go into serious lifelong agreements with them. Why is sex and marriage the exception?

Just masking perversion with legal mumbo jumbo
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by armyofone(m): 4:50pm On May 16
cococandy:
They’ll say you’re jealous for pointing this out.

Everyone who accompanied him on this trip was an oligarch of some sort. All expenses funded by the American tax payer. All benefits goes to them.

But what do I know, I don’t work hard enough I guess grin
And that one up there asked me funny questions grin sort of like - I put you to run my business, pay for your transportation, but you go there to take care of your own businesses - how is that right @ Bemeruca?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:57pm On May 16
cococandy:
Adult men should be with women who are unambiguously grown. Anything other than that is simply weird. You’re absolutely correct.

When a man has to defend himself by saying they technically adults because the legal age is 18, it’s gives the impression that legality is the only thing stopping him.

We wouldn’t vote an 18 year old into the lowest office possible, we wouldn’t enter into business arrangements with them. We wouldn’t go into serious lifelong agreements with them. Why is sex and marriage the exception?

Just masking perversion with legal mumbo jumbo
GBAM!

And it misses the point that if its about legality, there is nothing wrong if any country fixes it at a lower age according to its own legal system. Sudan permits age 10 for marriage for girls, Tanzania, 12 for Hindu and Muslim girls, Philippines permits at puberty for Muslim girls.

If we look at laws alone, we will claim not to be held by the standards of decency which any adult should naturally and intrinsically know.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 4:57pm On May 16
Basilico which way bro?

I said Bemeruca is so so dull and you liked and shared it. What kind of friend are you? 🤣😭😭

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:58pm On May 16
bemeruca:
You are saying she is stupid but she sounds exactly like you
Lol.

At least I can criticize her. Try it with stripper Melania.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f):
💯
Imagine me going to a Sudanese forum and some dude there is arguing with me about him not being a pay dough because their law states that 10 is okay.

At what point do we start using our common senses?

DeepSight:
GBAM!

And it misses the point that if its about legality, there is nothing wrong if any country fixes it at a lower age according to its own legal system. Sudan permits age 10 for marriage for girls, Tanzania, 12 for Hindu and Muslim girls, Philippines permits at puberty for Muslim girls.

If we look at laws alone, we will claim not to be held by the standards of decency which any adult should naturally and intrinsically know.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 5:00pm On May 16
cococandy:
💯
Imagine me going to a Sudanese forum and some due there is arguing with me about him not being a pay dough because ther law states 10 is okay.

At what point do we start using our common senses?
EXACTLY!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 5:00pm On May 16
DeepSight:
Lol.

At least I can criticize her. Try it with stripper Melania.
If malaria trumpu says stupid crap like that I will. But malaria is not a victim like you pointing fingers at another victim
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GracieX3(f): 5:09pm On May 16
basilico:
Criminal trespass. If a policeman opens the door for you and you enter is that trespass?
Talking about trespass,the one person whose resence made that charge valid was nowhere near the ground at the time .She was just a few feet away from the Capitol Hill bomb .

There were 1500 people whose lives were ruined. I'd have to look at what charges they accumulated later to conclude if that criminal gene resides in them.
Where the Jan sixers meant to be in the capitol building? No
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 5:09pm On May 16
DeepSight:
You alleged something about Ijebos using another handle and fleeing when caught out by budaatum. The reason I am holding you to proof is because you just make all sorts of outlandish childish claims about everyone you disagree with.
I am not alleging, it's a fact.

DaHighLife:
Just so you know, I deal with unsavory characters regularly. Your attempts to bully me by bringing up my family are just noise and speak to your character, or lack thereof.

You must also subscribe to the dubious posts by people like Basilico and Bemeruca. I am curious as to why you would find an affinity or align yourself with individuals who, from what I have observed, are consistently wrong and propagate misinformation because they consume the information uncritically. This inclination appears to stem from an emotional response that seems prevalent in the MAGA crowd, but that I've never understood. Personally, I tend to associate with individuals who have a track record of being more often right than wrong in their opinions. I presume that's what everyone does.

Cheerio

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 5:12pm On May 16
bemeruca:
I am not alleging, it's a fact.
I cant see proof here. I only saw someone else making the same allegation.
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