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| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:28pm On May 15 |
kayjordan:You aren't asking questions based on the spiritual but physical as in what you can see in progress so i'm talking about the PHYSICAL! kayjordan:I've told you to focus only on Jehovah's Witnesses when talking about Christians where God created for humans is planet earth not heaven! Psalms 115:16 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:29pm On May 15 |
Ken4Christ:What is Hell?🙂 Instead of humbly accepting the truth you are lying to your own soul because of materialism. Well that's your problem not mine! |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 10:02pm On May 15 |
It's good as you've mentioned persons with "superpowers" that went to hell and back - and that they were not dreaming. If I may ask: What's the difference between "Going to Hell & Back" - and "Dreaming" ? That Hell you say people experience - probably looks and feels like a virtual reality of fuzzy pictures being mistaken for after life. In your case, the fact is - psychologically, the hell you're currently experiencing in your home is making you imagine it in a higher-definition. Ken4Christ: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 10:09pm On May 15 |
The logical question: When God's Kingdom starts ruling , will JW members return to youthfulness physically or spiritually? Remember they're two different thing's. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 10:18pm On May 15 |
Now this is the most interesting part of the argument! If all the peace and reward you've mentioned is PHYSICAL as asserted by you - the next question is: WHO IS/ARE THE OLDEST JW MEMBERS RIGHT NOW? Kindly state the current highest ages of your members in the most transparent way possible. *Remember thou shall not lie* MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:45am On May 16*. Modified: 7:03am On May 16 |
kayjordan:This question needs logical reasoning to get the answer. After God created Adam and Eve their death came as consequence of rebellion {Genesis 2:17} not something natural so oldage, sickness and death all came due to the curse Adam got. Genesis 3:17-19 Note also that the type of fruits on the planet back then were really nourishing that people who lived then spent 900, 800, 700 years. Genesis 5:5-32 Gradual decline in age range is because good food on the planet keeps disappearing as the ground gets drier and drier. Genesis 3:17-18 Before then there were morning dews which always makes the ground to be wet but after the curse the dew stopped {Genesis 3:17} for thousands of years so all the good vegetations and fruits keeping people strong vanish and never grew again and until the time of Noah the ground keeps drying away. Genesis 8:21-22 Note that nobody lives as long as Noah's generation after the flood. WHY? Because despite the curse the remaining vegetations and foods that were growing then kept them stronger and healthier than ever but afterwards generations that followed them only lived lesser than 200 years and the decline has continued till today. Genesis 25:7-8 So when God bless the earth and those living on it again {Psalms 67:6-7} He promised to return all those vegetations that people were eating before Noah's generation {Revelation 22:1} then oldage will no longer be {Job 33:25} neither will there be death {Revelation 21:3-4} rather we will live forever! Romans 6:23 🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:01am On May 16 |
kayjordan:Please may i know the reason why you asked this question? Well sickness, oldage and death spread to all humans whether they worship the true God or not {Romans 5:12} so JWs also grow old and die the same way like all other humans. The glory of God which should have kept Adam and Eve alive forever is no longer in humans. Romans 3:23 kayjordan:Wow!🙂 Why did you think someone could lie just to support what is not real? Are you paying me for the information? Well this is the GOOD NEWS about God's Kingdom. Act 5:42 I know you are hearing it for the first time ever that's why it sounds so strange to you. Now you know why the Bible said: With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” Revelation 21:3-5 So my guy i'm not lying it's what God told His servant to pen down as promises from the FAITHFUL and ONLY TRUE GOD! 🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 9:13am On May 16 |
Very, very interesting! I like the honesty of your scientific analysis. I'll address the "Revelation 21:3-4" chapter and verses you pasted in the next bubble. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:43am On May 16 |
kayjordan:Please Sir i'll be busy today until 5pm Good morning Sir! |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 11:21am On May 16*. Modified: 11:47am On May 16 |
Very, very interesting! The reason, why I asked the question of JW members life span - is to clarify your JW's mission. But you've given a scientific explanation - stating why humans die - and you further stated the lesser nourishing foods in present times compared to ancient times - and you clarified the sins of man which caused this scientific change in modern day foods - obviously, this shows your belief is quite scientific and physically inclined. Though the JW Organization sounds spiritual, yet they are also scientific. The Bible chapter and verses "Revelation 21:3-5" which you pasted - promises "everlasting life" on a physical earth (Destination) for believers - and yet these believer will die as a result of your scientific explanation - and become lifeless on a planet earth that promised "peaceful living" and "coexistence"... Is it correct to say, the JW Organization is "dreaming" or "speaking in parables"? Since no human can live above 200 years - the "Revelation 21:3-5" Chapter and verses you pasted - clearly shows that the promise of the "everlasting life" for your believers on planet earth is "unrealistic" and your mission is therefore, defeated by your "own" scientific explanation". The above Bible Chapter and verses (Revelation 21:3-5) that you pasted, sounds more "realistic" with other Christian denominations that preach "everlasting life" for their believers in a place beyond planet earth. Therefore, what the JW Organization preaches in the fairest opinion is - RELIGIOUS FRAUD. If the JW "Hospital" promises the "everlasting life" on a planet earth (The destination) that is temporary by nature - shouldn't one be better off, aligning with a Catholic "Hospital" or a Pentecostal "Hospital" that assures them an eternal life in a place beyond planet earth (temporary place), even if it's an imaginary world... Since no "humans" (believers & unbelievers) can live long on earth - then it's practically impossible for "earth" to be an "eternity destination" for believers. The "everlasting life" on earth that JW members make sacrifices for today is - ridiculous and "unachievable". If you still think it's "achievable", simply because God promises to reverse the curse - then the biological question is: "How long will JW members live on earth in modern times to "meet up" with the time the "curse" will be broken"? The above question may be best answered by revealing the age of the oldest JW member in the world - for us to see if he will meet up with the "eternity period" right here on planet earth (The JW's Eternal Destination). MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:33pm On May 16 |
kayjordan:Do you still remember the first Jehovah's Witness? Well his name is Jesus Christ. When he lived on this planet he gave us the hope of everlasting life by resurrecting on the third day after his execution but how many years did Jesus spend on planet earth? As in how old was Jesus when he was killed? For your information Jesus was killed at 33½ years! So if the first Jehovah's Witness lived for just 33½ years as human on planet earth and resurrected three days later that is what gives us a sure hope that all our brothers from Abel till today will be resurrected back to life no matter how old they died in this system of things. This is what Job said regarding what you are asking: O that in the Grave you would conceal me, That you would hide me until your anger passes by, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! If a man dies, can he live again? I will wait all the days of my compulsory service Until my relief comes. You will call, and I will answer you. You will long for the work of your hands. Job 14:13-15 So my guy what you missed is the hope of a resurrection which Jesus and all our brothers in ancient times believe! John 5:28-29; 11:23-24; Act 24:15 Ọmọ it's not how old but a sure hope of RESURRECTION back to life!🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:42pm On May 16 |
Welcome back @ MaxInDHouse This is what I call - TACTICAL MANIPULATION of people's minds. You mentioned an "alleged" Jesus Christ is the oldest JW member - yet he has no physical address anywhere in the world. Frankly speaking - "Hope" and "Resurrection" are abstract - the earth is physical. By claiming "hope" and "resurrection" as a "delayed" staying alive on earth - is an ineffective defense of JW's belief. Your belief is like wishing for the "Yellow Sun to Shine at Night". Logical question: If a JW believer dies, and rots physically in the grave - how can he resurrect physically the same way he died? Also, If the believers resurrect and recapture their planet-earth from unbelievers, would they appear as skeletons or zombies? Just factual questions# MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:52pm On May 16 |
kayjordan:You have a right to disbelieve the Bible and we have the right to believe it but if you want to ask questions regarding what the Bible says please go straight to your question because we are fully convinced with living evidence of what we believe! I didn't say Jesus is the oldest Jehovah's Witness rather what i said is he is the first and foremost Witness of Jehovah. There is a difference between a founder and oldest member of a group nah!🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 9:46pm On May 16 |
Your logical style of asking me to ask Biblical questions rather than logical questions, might just be a way for you to avoid the unanswerable - don't you think? The blunt truth is - the Bible is a book of scriptures that tell many stories that aren't even realistic in modern times. It's 100x times easier to hide under abstract concepts because no one can prove nor disprove them. That's why my article was created - to differentiate between imagination and realism. In our everyday lives on "your" planet, we work with things we can see and touch. Our daily interactions are based on facts - you won't believe a fellow man if you don't see hard facts - but you would believe a pastor if he's dreaming. The JW members are being promised delayed gratification because it's the CHEAPEST WAY OUT! Ask for evidence from a Christian - and you will get nothing in return. Bible scriptures travelled from 1,000 years ago to present day - but no miracle quoted in the Bible followed. If believers are asked for a miracle - they will say - "only the deserving will see God's miracle" - CLASSIC AVOIDANCE! The question for you: Are you a righteous man like Jesus Christ of Nazareth - for believers are many, "few" are chosen? MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:50pm On May 16 |
kayjordan:If you feel the Bible tells many stories that aren't realistic then what do you think about Jesus Christ and righteous man because both are found only in the same Bible that you claim is unrealistic?🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 10:14pm On May 16 |
What do I think? I think Jesus Christ and righteousness don't exist and never existed. These are a just softwares for earthly pawns to follow. "Avoidance" in religious questioning is a sign of weakness. So, your imagination that is "so" difficult to prove can't correlate with a physical evidence (Earth). MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:18pm On May 16 |
Jesus said: “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah". Matthew 12:39 NIV So is there no miracles today? Of course there is but you can't demand or set rules for the true God nobody in the Bible did such. Therefore you need to humbly ask for the evidence we have not you setting the standard just as the science you claim you trust can't be told what we want to see rather it's what he chose to display that you can see. If i want to make demands from any scientist regarding their so called logic they can't fulfill it rather it's only what they know they can display!🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:20pm On May 16*. Modified: 10:39pm On May 16 |
kayjordan:Ọmọ you just want to deceive yourself!🙂 kayjordan:If you don't believe Jesus then why not ask for what you can see as evidence? |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 10:38pm On May 16 |
An item of yours went missing in a room - and you and your friend are present in that room - and you asked your friend If he took your item - and he says no! - would you believe him? Science is evidence-based - wherever it lacks knowledge, it fills with educated assumptions. Religion on the other hand is - "believe in the evidence of things not seen". Of course, a good Christian would follow religion's part - but won't replicate that same belief when doubting a fellow friend whom he has accused of stealing his item from his room. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:43pm On May 16 |
kayjordan:WRONG! There are things we SEE but when you are making demands on what you want to see that is where your so called "logic" fails. Science is not evidence based but what you have been told to present as evidence if i should ask you questions regarding what you have never experiment before no scientist can provide any evidence!🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 10:43pm On May 16 |
In my opinion, Jesus was just an ordinary man in Israel who was famous for walking the streets and markets - and some over-joyous writers decide to paint a supernatural picture of him when he was just an ordinary mortal man in the Bible. You can educate me if I'm wrong - show me the evidence? MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:50pm On May 16 |
kayjordan:I have shown you evidence but you kept demanding something else. This is what Jesus said will serve as EVIDENCE of his existence: You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8 NIV If anyone wants to see the evidence that Jesus really exists all he needs to look out for are people from all the nations of the earth PRACTICING what Jesus taught them. Of course if Jesus never existed people from different countries throughout the world can't be obedient for real to the extent of being peace loving people just as Jesus commanded nah! Matthew 5:43-48🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 10:56pm On May 16 |
Basically, logic fails where "practical avoidance" is achieved - ACKNOWLEDGED! In the best of my knowledge, the car that moves, the aeroplanes that flies and the phones that call others - are the physical "living" evidences of Science. Believers and Unbelievers go the higher-institutions to study them - after study, they practicalise them. If Science failed - students will be the first to notice. Spirituality on the other hand, is "make belief" - people just believe in it out of fear or cultural reasons - not because of what they've personally experienced with it - but rather what they've been told about it. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 11:01pm On May 16 |
Please list out "FIVE" miracles Jesus performed in the Bible and to whom he performed them for? MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:03pm On May 16 |
This is really childish!🙂 So after thousands of years of trial and error on the part of humans trying to make life easier that is what you want to put above God's word where words written thousands of years ago are undergoing fulfilment today shey?🙂 Guy there is no evidence in what you just said. There were times on this planet when people used stones tied to a plank to strike one another in battle before they graduated to bows and arrows before they graduated to swords before they graduated to guns. No sincere person can compare that to words written thousands of years ago that we are now discovering what the writers penned down today!🙂 kayjordan: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:04pm On May 16 |
kayjordan:Miracles aren't the evidence why we believe in Jesus rather what he foretold that is happening today is what makes us believe in him!🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 11:16pm On May 16 |
This is a mature piece! If it's not, then what realm of platform are you using to communicate with me now? What connection does scriptures of 1,000 years have with scientific evidences? Even if science is 10 years old - it's what's helping your current life as we speak... MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:23pm On May 16 |
Ọmọ it's not mature but childish talks. People have been living on this planet for thousands of years and it's life's experience that's increasing as they continue to exist on the planet a mistake made by one person becomes a lesson to others coming after him. So life continues to improve just as God foretold in His word: Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth. Genesis 1:28 God said humans should fill the planet and subdue it in other words make good use of whatever you find on it. So how has their discoveries out ruled timeless informations from God?🙂 kayjordan: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 11:25pm On May 16 |
What exactly is happening today that cannot be easily predicted by anyone? The spiritual gospels are brainwashing.....almost no different from politics. One profound reason why religion survived to this date is because - there was no internet in ancient times to verify religious hypnotisation. Today, it's too late to do that, the damage had been done. Everybody blindly believes in one unseen God or the other. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 11:51pm On May 16 |
This is how it's out-ruled God: In order of priority > 1. The Universe 2. Religion 3. Science The Universe is neutral - two Schools of Thoughts "Religion" and "Science" are claiming Universe (Dragging it). That's where the real problem is. JW Organization printed a leaflet that àsked a question: "Where are life's biggest questions found- Science, Philosophy or Religion? In my educated opinion, spirituality have no capacity to study the Universe or the Earth - only Science can. You don't use voodoo to drill oil out of rocks; you use scientific methods. So, progression of knowledge started in the religious era (ancient time) otherwise known as the backward era - and progressed into medieval times when people began experiencing clashes of knowledge (ReligionVsScience). Thereafter, groups of elites founded the idea of reliance on Science, therefore birthing science after religion to enlighten their minds to think and not believe everything they see or hear. Many followed Science afterwards, some remained comfortable with religion. The moral code here is: "IT NOT THE AGE OR HOW FAR BUT HOW WELL". Science rules the world now - religion has been kept in the "old skool" basket in some countries today. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:10am On May 17*. Modified: 5:41am On May 17 |
kayjordan:It's because you haven't known what was predicted (prophesied) in the Bible.🙂 God said He will use His laws to gather obedient and faithful people throughout the world under one umbrella {Isaiah 2:2-4} of course that may sound so cheap right? But then He said at that same time the world will be filled with racism and politics so that there will be killings here and there {Revelation 6:3-4} while His own worshipers will have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} and there will be false religions claiming they are worshipers of God everywhere {Matthew 7:15} but their failure to make peace reign among them will expose them! Matthew 7:16-18 Today a global group called Jehovah's Witnesses emerged and fit in to all these descriptions and there is no nation or race that is not part of this group just as the Bible foretold {Act 1:8} do you think all these things are coincidental?🙂 Let me shock you again. In the same Bible God foretold that an ancient city called Babylon known for it's grand glory will be destroyed and it happened just as it was written but the most shocking part of this prophecy says that city will remain in ruins after its demolition {Isaiah 13:19-20} and that is exactly what has happened till today! Do you think that was a coincidence?🙂 Ọmọ you may have decided in your own heart never to allow religion get control over your life but don't think those sticking to religions have no brain o!😂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:17am On May 17 |
kayjordan:This is really hilarious walahi talahi!😂 Please when did the so called scientists discovered the force of gravity that the Bible spoke of thousands of years back? When did so called scientists discover the shape of the earth? When did so called scientists discover water circle? When did so called scientists discover that there are many planets out there but only earth is habitable? Ọmọ the Bible is far far far ahead of your so called scientists in all of these!🙂 |
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