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| The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Theawakensoul(op): 10:16pm On May 15 |
🌿 WEEKLY SERIES — DAY 5 THE BIBLE HAS BEEN CHANGED, TRANSLATED, AND EDITED FOR CENTURIES… SO WHAT ARE PEOPLE REALLY READING TODAY? Most Christians believe the Bible in their hands today is exactly the same as the original writings. Untouched. Perfectly preserved. Word for word. But history says something very different. Because the Bible people read today… has gone through: 👉 translations 👉 edits 👉 copying errors 👉 political influence 👉 language changes 👉 additions 👉 removals for centuries. And once you truly understand that… you begin asking very uncomfortable questions. 🌿 PART 1 — THERE IS NO “ORIGINAL BIBLE” This shocks many people when they first discover it: the original manuscripts do not exist. Nobody possesses the original writings of: 👉 Moses 👉 Isaiah 👉 Paul 👉 Matthew 👉 John What exists are copies of copies of copies. Handwritten manuscripts reproduced over centuries by human scribes. And human beings make mistakes. Some errors were accidental: 👉 spelling changes 👉 missing lines 👉 duplicated words 👉 translation issues Others were more intentional. Because throughout history: 👉 religious groups 👉 translators 👉 rulers 👉 church authorities all influenced how certain passages were understood. 🌿 PART 2 — SOME VERSES WERE ADDED LATER Many believers never hear this in church: 👉 some famous Bible verses were likely later additions. For example: the earliest manuscripts of Mark end at 16:8. The longer resurrection ending appears later. The famous story of: 👉 “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” in John 8 is also missing from many early manuscripts. Even the Trinity verse in 1 John 5:7: 👉 “the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” was added much later into some versions. Pause and think about that carefully. Because millions built doctrine around verses that scholars openly debate. 🌿 PART 3 — TRANSLATION CHANGES MEANING The Bible was not written in modern English. It was written mainly in: 👉 Hebrew 👉 Aramaic 👉 Greek And translation is never neutral. Words carry: 👉 culture 👉 symbolism 👉 hidden meanings 👉 worldview Some Hebrew and Aramaic ideas do not translate cleanly into English. Which means: 👉 translators often interpreted meanings instead of simply transferring words. And interpretation can shape theology. For example: 👉 the word “hell” combines different concepts like Sheol, Gehenna, and Hades into one terrifying image But those words originally carried different meanings. Translation shaped doctrine. 🌿 PART 4 — WHO CONTROLLED THE TRANSLATIONS? Now ask yourself honestly: 👉 Who funded the translations? 👉 Who approved them? 👉 Which institutions controlled them? 👉 Which interpretations became official? Because once religion became connected to empire and institutions… translation was no longer just spiritual. It became political too. Kings authorized versions. Churches approved wording. Doctrines influenced interpretation. Meaning: 👉 power shaped what people eventually read as “The Word of God.” 🌿 PART 5 — THE BIG QUESTION Does this automatically mean the Bible has no wisdom? No. But it does mean: 👉 people should stop pretending the text fell untouched from heaven. The Bible came through human hands. Human language. Human politics. Human interpretation. And maybe awakening begins the moment people stop fearing investigation. Because truth should survive questions. And if believers trust the Bible so deeply… then they should not be afraid to study: 👉 how it was translated 👉 how it was edited 👉 and how it changed across history. Drop your thoughts below. Let them come. 🌿 📘 Dive deeper into the teachings Yeshua actually taught, not what religion built around him. Grab Christ Consciousness: The Path Yeshua Walked. 👉 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness I AM — The Awaken Soul (TAS) From Conditioning to Consciousness Question Everything. Discover Truth. @highlight #awakening #spiritualawakening #spiritual #lieofreligion #truth #deconstrictingreligion #fypシ゚viralシ #fypシ゚viral #fypシ #LiesOfReligion #christianity #TruthUncovered
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| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by BlackfireX: 2:45am On May 16 |
Theawakensoul:So who wrote the Quran? Bible is corrupt yet your Allah confirmed it--- islamic dilemma. Have you ever heard of dead sea scrolls? All this zaik naik wannabe |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by thumbsme(f): 4:33am On May 16 |
The problem with you people is you continue to claim the bible has been changed over the years but you have failed to show us the original, unedited version you know. At least if something is fake, there has to be an original. This is one deception Islam has forced on many adherence for centuries without a proof. My questions are: - Where is the original bible version because most verses in the quran are either copied, or quoted (admitted my quran itself) or twisted from same bible. - Accounts and events in the bible have historically known and traceable witnesses with archaeological proofs. How come none of quran has even despite it came long after the bible? - As aluded to be even atheist, the Dead Sea Scroll is the oldest existing human written document in the whole world today and it is almost fully same as what contains in the bible. Is there similar trace to the quran? - Your hadith claims that the original quran that you claim Allah delivered himself was burned and destroyed, and the conttent was verbally passed down through generations until it was later compiled and documented. How does such document become more accurate than the bible with known writers , historical proofs and tangible evidences? |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:46am On May 16 |
Why did God arrange for His message to be written? If you don't know the purpose of God's word you can't know whether it has been well preserved. Daniel 12:10🙂 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Theawakensoul(op): 10:21am On May 17 |
BlackfireX:You completely missed the point of the post. The discussion was never: 👉 “the Bible has zero wisdom” or 👉 “only one religion is true.” The point was simple... The Bible went through: 👉 human writers 👉 translations 👉 copying 👉 editing 👉 canon selection 👉 political influence That is not conspiracy. That is established history. Even Christian scholars openly discuss: 👉 manuscript differences 👉 later additions 👉 translation debates 👉 and how canon formation happened. The Dead Sea Scrolls actually SUPPORT my point, not yours. Why? Because they prove: 👉 multiple textual versions existed 👉 some passages evolved over time 👉 and ancient scripture transmission was more complex than many modern believers assume. That’s historical reality. And no, I never said: 👉 “the Quran is untouched” or 👉 “Islam solved everything.” You brought Islam into the conversation yourself because many religious people think questioning one system automatically means defending another. It doesn’t. I question systems. All systems. Christianity. Islam. Institutions. Control structures. Fear-based religion. Blind belief. That’s the whole point of awakening: 👉 investigate everything. And calling someone “Zakir Naik wannabe” doesn’t actually address the arguments. It just avoids the questions. Because the real issue remains: 👉 If God’s message passed through human hands, human politics, human translation, and human institutions… then why are people so afraid to study that process honestly? Truth should survive investigation. Only control fears questions. I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS. QUESTIONING EVERYTHING. |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Expanse2020(m): 10:28am On May 17 |
BlackfireX:Is it through some verses were boycotted in the bible 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 So you guys are removing God words and adding your own ... Wao Antiislam |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Theawakensoul(op): 10:28am On May 17 |
thumbsme:You’re mixing several different arguments together, so let’s separate them carefully. First: Nobody said there was once a single “perfect original Bible” sitting somewhere complete and untouched that later became fake. That’s not even how biblical scholarship works. The Bible was never originally one single book. It was: 👉 dozens of writings 👉 from different authors 👉 across different centuries 👉 in different languages 👉 copied by hand over generations So when people say: 👉 “the Bible changed over time” they don’t necessarily mean: 👉 “some evil guy rewrote one perfect book overnight.” They mean: 👉 textual transmission evolved through copying, translation, editing, canon formation, and interpretation. And even Christian scholars openly admit this. That’s why textual criticism exists in the first place. Now about the Dead Sea Scrolls. You are correct that the Dead Sea Scrolls are extremely important historically. But they do NOT prove: 👉 “the Bible never changed.” What they actually show is: 👉 ancient textual traditions were more diverse and complex than many modern believers assume. For example: 👉 some Dead Sea Scroll manuscripts closely match later Hebrew texts 👉 others contain variations 👉 some books exist in multiple forms 👉 and some writings included in the scrolls never entered the final Protestant canon. So again: the evidence supports textual development, not magical untouched preservation. Now about archaeology. Yes, some biblical places, kings, cities, and historical settings have archaeological support. But archaeology confirming: 👉 “Jerusalem existed” or 👉 “Babylon existed” is not the same thing as proving: 👉 every theological interpretation 👉 every miracle claim 👉 or every doctrinal conclusion. Historical context and theological claims are two different discussions. Now concerning Islam and the Quran: You assumed I was defending Islam. I wasn’t. Questioning the Bible does not automatically mean: 👉 “the Quran must therefore be perfect.” That’s tribal thinking. And yes, Islamic history also has compilation debates, manuscript discussions, hadith contradictions, and transmission questions too. I question ALL religious systems. Not just one. That’s the entire point. But here’s the deeper issue: Many believers become uncomfortable the moment people study HOW scriptures were formed historically. Why? Because people were often taught a simplified version: 👉 “God wrote a perfect book directly.” But the real historical process was far more human and complex. Human scribes. Human translators. Human councils. Human politics. Human interpretation. That does not automatically erase wisdom from the texts. But it DOES mean people should stop pretending the process itself was simple, perfect, or untouched. And truth should never fear investigation. If God is truth, then historical questions should not threaten Him. I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS QUESTIONING EVERYTHING |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Theawakensoul(op): 10:34am On May 17 |
MaxInDHouse:This is actually a deeper question than many people realize. You asked: “Why did God arrange for His message to be written?” But notice something carefully.... The moment humans claim: “THIS specific collection of writings is perfectly preserved divine truth” the next question naturally becomes: “How exactly was it preserved through history?” That’s not rebellion. That’s investigation. And investigation should not threaten truth. You referenced Daniel 12:10: 👉 “the wise shall understand.” Exactly. Wisdom requires understanding the process honestly, not blindly assuming perfection without examining history. Because historically: 👉 scriptures were copied by hand 👉 translated between languages 👉 edited by scribes 👉 debated by councils 👉 and interpreted by institutions Even Christian textual scholars openly acknowledge: 👉 manuscript variations 👉 later additions 👉 translation differences 👉 and canon debates So the real discussion is not: 👉 “Did God want spiritual wisdom preserved?” The real discussion is: 👉 “How did human beings transmit and shape that message over centuries?” Those are two different questions. For example: If ten people copy the same message by hand over 1,500 years in different languages… variations will naturally happen. That doesn’t automatically destroy spiritual value. But it DOES mean: 👉 the transmission process involved human beings. And once humans are involved: 👉 interpretation 👉 politics 👉 culture 👉 and power can influence outcomes too. That is simply history. And honestly, I think many believers misunderstand what questioning means. Questioning the process is not automatically rejecting God. Sometimes questioning is part of sincerely seeking truth. Because if something is truly divine… it should survive honest investigation. Truth does not fear examination. Only systems built on unquestioned certainty do. I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS QUESTIONING EVERYTHING |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by HeatSeeker(m): 10:55am On May 17 |
This op asks questions as if he is absolutely unaware that there's a divine plan guiding the activities of men on this physical plane. We all need to upgrade our spiritual IQ ![]() By the way, we have gotten to the point where you have to identify your spiritual lineage @op |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:24pm On May 17 |
Theawakensoul:How did God created the earth? How did God suspend the earth upon nothing? How did God make rainy and dry seasons? God does whatever it takes to achieve His loving purposes so don't ask HOW instead ask for EVIDENCE or PROOF that God's word has been perfectly preserved.🙂 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by AntiisIam(m): 2:57am On May 18 |
Expanse2020:Is that one according to your chief imam? because allah wey recommended Bible for you knows what he was saying here Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer; |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Expanse2020(m): 10:49am On May 18 |
AntiisIam:Ok so na Allah write bible too I taught it was Luke, mark, Paul and the others anonymous who wrote it ... I don't know that allah wrote bible too 🤣🤣🤣 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by AntiisIam(m): 11:34am On May 18 |
Expanse2020:Shey allah write Bible you see in Quran 10:94 I sent to you nii? Is like sheytan don dey sleep inside your brain oo |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Expanse2020(m): 11:38am On May 18 |
I AntiisIam:So na Allah write bible too Irọ ni oo.. i thought na Paul, Mark,Luke and others anonymous wrote it nii abii am ow confuse oo since you said Allah recommended it Abi are you mistaking Jesus gospel , Moses Torah with Luke mark and Paul.. when you are not sick it can't happen naw🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by AntiisIam(m): 12:50pm On May 18 |
Expanse2020:Wait Sule, is like sheytan don dey run inside your upstairs ooo aswear Shey allah write Bible you see in Quran 10:94 I sent to you nii? |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Theawakensoul(op): 3:41pm On May 18 |
MaxInDHouse:I understand your point. You’re basically saying: 👉 “If God is powerful enough to create the universe, then preserving His message would be easy for Him.” And philosophically, that’s a fair belief. But notice something important: That is a theological assumption… not historical evidence. You told me not to ask “how.” But history is literally the study of “how.” How were texts copied? How were books selected? How were translations made? How did manuscript differences appear? How did canon debates happen? Those are legitimate historical questions. And asking them does not deny God. It simply acknowledges that scriptures passed through human hands. For example: Even modern Bible scholars openly acknowledge: 👉 thousands of manuscript variations exist 👉 some verses were later additions 👉 translations differ significantly 👉 some books were disputed for centuries That’s not anti-Christian propaganda. That’s mainstream textual scholarship. Now you asked for evidence. Ironically… the evidence itself shows the preservation process was not perfectly identical word-for-word across history. Examples: 👉 The longer ending of Mark (Mark 16:9–20) is missing in some of the earliest manuscripts. 👉 The story of the woman caught in adultery (John 7:53–8:11) appears absent in early manuscripts. 👉 Different manuscript families contain variations. That doesn’t automatically destroy the Bible’s spiritual value. But it does challenge the simplistic idea that a perfectly untouched text dropped through history without human complexity. And honestly… I think faith becomes stronger when people can face history honestly instead of pretending difficult questions don’t exist. Because if truth is truly from God… then truth should survive investigation. Not fear it. I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS QUESTIONS EVERYTHING. |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Theawakensoul(op): 3:48pm On May 18 |
HeatSeeker:You believe: 👉 history is not random 👉 human events can be guided by a larger intelligence 👉 and there may be a divine unfolding behind human actions. That’s a valid spiritual perspective. But here’s the important distinction: Believing there is a divine plan does not automatically remove the human element from history. Because even if someone believes God guides humanity… human beings still: 👉 make decisions 👉 hold biases 👉 seek power 👉 translate texts 👉 argue doctrine 👉 influence institutions And history clearly shows that happened within religion too. For example: 👉 church councils debated which books belonged in the canon 👉 different sects disagreed strongly 👉 translations changed meanings over time 👉 political rulers influenced religious outcomes 👉 doctrines evolved across centuries Acknowledging that reality is not “low spiritual IQ.” It’s simply studying history honestly. Now about “spiritual lineage.” That’s interesting because many systems throughout history used lineage, authority, titles, and hierarchy to determine: 👉 who is allowed to question 👉 who can speak 👉 who possesses “truth” 👉 and who must remain silent But truth itself should not depend on tribal identity. A question is either valid… or it isn’t. And honestly, some of the greatest awakenings in history began when people questioned inherited systems instead of blindly accepting them. Even Yeshua challenged: 👉 religious authorities 👉 inherited traditions 👉 institutional interpretations 👉 and spiritual gatekeeping So asking: 👉 “How were these texts formed?” 👉 “Who selected these books?” 👉 “How did doctrine evolve?” is not rebellion against truth. It’s part of sincerely seeking it. Because spirituality without questioning can easily become conditioning. And real wisdom is not: 👉 pretending difficult questions don’t exist. Real wisdom is being willing to investigate them without fear. I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS QUESTIONING EVERYTHING. |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:52pm On May 18 |
Theawakensoul:You can't know how God's word was preserved now just as ancient Israelites can't distinguish between true servants of God and false prophets. Back then several individuals claiming prophets were telling people different things so if you lived in ancient Israel you may be tempted to start asking: "How come we have so many books?" Which exactly is inspired by the true God? Note that the false prophets two will write their own messages down to counter what God's ancient servants are saying. So what will help you? Focusing on who is doing God's will! When you know God's will then there is no way you can be misled no matter how many writings are available you will know which one align with God's purpose but if you want to know how God is preserving the message or how He will preserve His message then you will condemn all the writings just as you are in fact doing now!🙂 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by HeatSeeker(m): 4:03pm On May 18 |
Theawakensoul:The same Yeshua you keep on mentioning was a Jewish rabbi who upheld their practices to the core. And you know what?! 🙂 His lineage is pretty well documented and generally agreed upon. But you on the other hand, have made claims about knowledge without pointing to the source from which it came from. The truth you claim to possess did not originate from you, somebody taught you and it is now time for you to identify yourself. ![]() |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Expanse2020(m): 5:24pm On May 18 |
AntiisIam:No be you said if am doubt I should asked bible and I said I don't know that allah wrote bible too🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Antiislaam(m): 7:14pm On May 18 |
Expanse2020:Lobatan, I am now the author of quran abi doffman dofman come and see your second here o |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by doffman: 5:43pm On May 19 |
Antiislaam:Kininwi . How can Pauline talk about Quran nah . Wetin u know Talk about your man made and corrupt story book nah
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| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Antiislaam(m): 6:49pm On May 19 |
doffman:Shey the Bible here na story book Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer; Is like you people don too know more than allah |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by doffman: 6:43pm On May 20 |
Antiislaam:🤣🤣 you mean this porn book : Song of Solomon 4:5: "Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle, that graze among the lilies." (Repeated in Song of Solomon 7:3) |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by AntiisIam(m): 7:22pm On May 20 |
doffman:Yes Sule, the one recommended for you here in Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer; |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 9:48pm On May 20 |
MaxInDHouse:Who said god arranged anything? |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by QuinQQ: 11:44pm On May 20 |
Theawakensoul:I have a question for you and I want an honest answer: Despite all that, it is working for people. What do you have to say about that? |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by lawani(m): 12:34am On May 21 |
The bible is not just one book but a collection of books written over thousands of years with most of the authours' identity unknown. The old testament isn't written in the language of the characters it talks about. It was written thousands of years after their languages went extinct and there are no accounts in any other languages apart from those relatively new languages. Actually not very strange because in a thousand years time, all Yoruba history written may be in English alone When being compiled, some books were removed because the compilers do not like the contents. The Catholic bible, the Ethiopian bible and probably some other Bibles have some books that do not exist in the European bible The bible is full of contradictions. Just type contradictions in the bible inside google Therefore read the Bible as it will give you insights into many things but never be so naive as to think it is the word of God because it was written by mere men and it is full of errors too |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by lawani(m): 12:36am On May 21 |
QuinQQ:That doesn't mean a thing. Are people's idols not working for them? |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by QuinQQ: 1:35am On May 21*. Modified: 1:59am On May 21 |
lawani:It means everything. If the idols were working why did they convert to Christianity?? Example, you can tell someone the Lord’s name is not really Jesus but Yeshua, that Jesus was a made-up name. But they KNOW every time they invoke the name Jesus, demons flee from them, peace, power, courage, arise. THAT is what's important! You can tell someone Biblical words were changed and are not the original words, but they KNOW every time they invoke those particular words things shift, powers arise, they feel unbelievable peace and total fearlessness! |
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