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I've read and responded twice so far to the same post.. Actually a third to bemeruca too on same
It's long and I'm answering in bits .

DeepSight:
This is a surprising response not just in its brevity but in the way it completely misses the essence of what was said.

You also have not lived up to the spirit and letter of the treaty. Look at the fine work TV01 put out in response (even though I do not agree with much that he says). He made sure to fulfill the terms on thoughtfulness, studiousness and scholarly input.

One thing I must say which mildly turns me off with you is a suspicion that you don't read much what is said once it appears lengthy.

ijebosb:
He said there is a way I frame things. You mean intelligently? Lol

So, now I'm GracieX3 too?
I think I've made my point.

I can't with the mental instability of it all.

The way you frame things like someone who never went to school stands out like a sore thumb. Very easy to spot.
When you change your handje a careful person should be able to smoke you out by your second post.
GracieX3 foolish response to a post a few weeks back had me wondering whether it was you in disguise.

Ijebosc:
There won't be any.
They used to accuse me of being anyone in this thread who sounded smart and wrote in complete sentences.
In those days they(Bemeruca and his bestie sly) would have accused you of being me.

Actually one of them made such an accusation some weeks back. It was either budaatum or someone else who said it cant be because you would not openly criticize Islam as I do. But the fact that the accusation was made shows you have a point.

basilico:
The way you frame things like someone who never went to school stands out like a sore thumb. Very easy to spot.
When you change your handje a careful person should be able to smoke you out by your second post.

Jesus, please. I was going to say something, but for Treaty.

DeepSight:
Actually one of them made such an accusation some weeks back. It was either budaatum or someone else who said it cant be because you would not openly criticize Islam as I do. But the fact that the accusation was made shows you have a point.

They did? Ha.
Called it. They are still at it.

Next one of them will say I'm talking to myself.

DeepSight:
Jesus, please. I was going to say something, but for Treaty.

That's to Ijebos .
I'm not one to sit back while being maligned.
Fight Fight Fight😀😀

Aimee Bock. The white woman who masterminded the Minnesota fraud says Nur Elmi Ilhan Omar knew

https://nypost.com/2026/05/16/us-news/minnesota-rep-ilhan-omar-knew-about-250m-covid-meal-fraud-mastermind/

Bock talked to the Post by video call this week while awaiting sentencing and claims:

🔺️There were gaps when waivers expired mid-month and renewals lagged, that's when Omar stepped in to keep the cash flowing.

🔺️Omar “would personally step in whenever waivers ran out, allowing the rampant fraud to continue.”

🔺️“A lot of the sites were working directly with her, being that a lot of the operators were from the same Somali community,”

🔺️“There were a lot of people that had been reaching out to her office and staff, and I presume her personally, to work through some of those gaps with the waivers.”

🔺️Omar introduced the MEALS Act in March 2020. It let restaurants join the program without site inspections and shifted to self-reported data, slashing oversight.

🔺️ The Minnesota House Fraud Prevention and State Agency Oversight Committee’s final report explicitly states Omar “played a critical role in creating the conditions for fraud” by pushing those changes.

🔺️In May 2020, Omar filmed a promotional video at Safari Restaurant, the No. 1 fraud site, praising it for serving 2,300 meals daily to kids and families.

🔺️Safari later claimed 5,000 meals a day and raked in over $12 million before collapsing.

🔺️Omar held her 2018 election night party at Safari.

🔺️Court exhibits from Bock’s 2025 federal trial list Omar’s name at least six times in emails and texts between Feeding Our Future and her office about waiver help.

🔺️In 2021, Bock emailed the Minnesota Department of Education flagging suspicious sites like House of Refuge.

🔺️The department replied it “takes no position if fraud has taken place.”

🔺️ “I have the emails that show that I told you, so you knew,” and “I struggle to believe that we notified them and they didn’t alert the governor, or our state or federal officials.”

🔺️Omar is being protected by democrats who voted against issuing a subpoena for her records tied to the fraud - after Omar refused to go to a hearing on the matter.

Deepsight.
Does this sound like someone who wants to suspend the constitution.
Begging Senator Thune to pass a bill that already cleared the house several months ago.
No Kings protest were all about stopping this dictator.

Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy knocked out by Trump approved challenger in the Republican primary.
He voted to impeach Trump in 2021.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-bill-cassidy-faces-a-primary-for-the-first-time-since-his-trump-impeachment-vote/ar-AA23kmZr

Those waiting out Trump forget the voters and internet don't forget betrayal.

TV01, I thank you for this. True to the deal, you have taken your time and gone through with a fine comb and made detailed responses in a scholarly manner. This does not mean I agree, but I am delighted that you have kept to the spirit. And you have invested and delivered more thought than could be said for basilico (even though in another post i was surprised to see him acknowledge the role of climate in development, something which you seem to have always dismissed lightly.

TV01:
You have said a lot. However, there is little to nothing that speaks to when or how BA nations in particular will develop in any meaningful or comparable way to WN at this point in time

Oh we will come to that. Remember also that that post was really in response to something basilico said and I have a response coming up separately for your own post which centred on South Africa.

But the short answer remains time and cycles.

A retrospective of ancient civilisations and empires that are no more, speaks nothing to say the Nigerian situation, and why it is effectively arrested in terms of development.

It is not arrested. You see, it is only because we are stuck in the moment that we see it that way. We are living in the middle of the happening. When history is looked back on, hindsight will be 20-20 and broader strokes and patterns over larger spans of time will then be visible and discernible. I insist that 66 years of independence is very little to work with, we are actually simply in the middle of our own "progress" however tortured, stunted and back-and-forth it is!

Looking back on history, you will find such periods in the life of most nations / peoples / races. Ups and downs, ebbs and flows, growth and decay, war and peace, boom and recession, and on and on it goes.

In fact, from a philosophical point of view, I dare call it the simple rhythm of life - natural as life and death and childhood and old age.

The reasons for, and the lessons from, their rise and fall are not necessarily pointers. Each one rose and fell, advanced and developed, due to a unique set of circumstances. Too unique individually and too broad as a whole to be applicable or overlay on the situations in view.

It is that very uniqueness that I call upon you to recognize enough to stop making the sort of comparisons whereby you pick on one people at one time and deride their progress as compared to another people.

The points in bold speak to positions I have repeated often. The 1st - A different history means a different development trajectory. What in the history, traditions, customs, culture or mythology or religion of BA suggests that in time they would have developed along the lines of WN? You seem to believe that left alone, in due course the Fula pastoralists would have been launching satellites or Nomadic Hutus would have invented the automobile? On what basis can you validly make that assumption.

A number of things to say here. About three things.

1. Left alone, Black African cultures would have developed differently into an altogether different kind of civilization with its own uniqueness for sure. There is no reason to suppose that they would have developed in the same way that Western Nations did - no - that is the whole point when we speak to differences in geography, climate, history, et all! So please do not make this assumption at all. And as evidence/ corroboration of this point i will use two examples - (a) Meso-America - being cut off from the rest of the world for most of recorded history, they developed in a unique and different way that also showed in the nature of their largest cities such as Tenochtitlan of the Aztec and Tikal of the Maya. (b) From the animal world and evolution, species isolated on an island without interaction from the rest of the world tend to evolve uniquely - as can be seen with some unique species in Madagascar and Australia and other places where there was long isolation of species. These two examples suffice to prove the point.

2. At all events, travel and the resultant intermixture of cultures is cardinal to development. Your statement above suggests somehow that you do not give the benefit of this fact to black African societies, while ignoring the fact that the same fact of travel and intermixing was absolutely crucial for the development of Europe for example. Why do you have this double standard? Europe developed with a lot of ideas and technologies from the middle and far east (and there is a reason for this - the geography you dismiss again). Much of the scientific and even theoretical ideas which are foundational to European development came from elsewhere through trade, wars, adventure, religion, exploration, etc. There is no reason for you to exempt Africa from the same benefit of thought when the time came in history for people to travel down the Atlantic and begin to share what the rest of the world had known. This is normal.

Let me slide in something here about the geography I mentioned which you lightly dismiss. Knowledge is a thing no one person can have or build up by himself. But once different peoples intermix, their knowledge grows faster because they build on the many things learnt from many people in many places. This is where geography comes in in one way (because there are many ways it comes in). It comes in here in terms of the ease of travel, the lay of the land which enables people to mix, travel, trade, share and even fight. And in this natural boundaries are key!

So in a nutshell, when there is a massive hostile natural boundary such as the Sahara desert between the known world and Black Africa, it is only natural that all of that shared knowledge would not filter down here at the same pace or in the same way. In fact, history would have been totally different. Just imagine if the Sahara did not exist - would the Roman Empire have stopped at North Africa? No way, it would have filtered all the way down and the influence of its culture would have reached the Atlantic just as it reached Britain and Germany. What would have stopped it again would have been natural barriers such as the rain forest, the hot and humid climate and mosquitoes.

In this way you can see just how critical that one massive hostile natural barrier - the Sahara desert has been. By contrast, North Africa, the Middle East, the Far East and Europe ALL were contiguous without the kind of overwhelming natural barrier that would stop whole empires. That is why Alexander the Great got as far as India and the Mongols got to the very doorsteps of Europe!

And in such intermixture, a great deal of learning takes place. Knowledge is shared and mixed at an incredible pace and this pace is not available to isolated areas of the world where there are massive barriers. This will explain why the aborigines of Australia for example, would be left behind. The massive barrier of the ocean and the isolation, along with other factors.

Let me add one more thing here - all of the lands of much development in Europe, North Africa, the Middle East and Asia historically - please look at them and you will find them all laid out across the temperate zone of the world. This is a very key thing which tells about the role that climate plays in civilization. And I have said that there has been much academic work on this.

I will drop the links in another post to avoid being banned.

But look at the image below this post. It delineates the temperate zones of the world. Looking at that image is quite enough to let you see what has been happening and how the major civilizations coalesed in the temperate zones. The areas in the temperate zones that did not develop at the same pace had another factor at play - massive natural barriers in terms of oceans and the like, which prevented knowledge sharing.

As a slight aside, you can see that South Africa falls within a temperate zone and that's why Europeans stayed there once they found it. Same with Australia and even parts of South America.

3. Time. it takes time for all barriers to be conquered and further time for knowledge to mix and the resultant development to occur.

The 2nd - Exactly which is why white SA move and build Orania which replicates the FD their roots\people have historically achieved. While black SA receive an intact WN like country and immediately start the inexorable drive to what their FD could achieve and maintain before Boer settlers arrived - Kraal Life!

I think what I have explained above partly answers this, but the lack of integration as a result of Apartheid was obviously problematic because the separation ensured completely parallel lines of development in every respect for the white and black societies.

Agreed for the most part. Homogeniety has to help. However patriotic fervour can be cultivated, whatever the ethnic composition. BA are unlikely to overcome tribal affiliation and clannishness to commence that journey. Somalia is ethnically homogenous bar a small Bantu demographic - who are culturally and linguistically identical - but are serially war-torn?

I can only answer this by pointing to the legion wars of the history of Europe. I know you must know this. To what end did they not fight one another? Is it England and Scotland we want to start from? Is it the Kievan Rus in Eastern Europe and all their battles there? Is it the Viking raids of Britain? Is it the one billion tiny fiefdoms in Germany and all their battles? Is it Rome and Greece? Time, cycles.

Let me insert something here. One thing leads to another. The butterfly effect, the ripple effect. You dont seem to take it into consideration in your thinking. For example, if a place is cold, people will search for heat. If they have to search for heat they will more likely come up with furnaces powered by certain fuels, such as coal. If they have to do that, they are already closer to industrializing because seeking heat power sources is the root of the power of industry. If such is their weather that their soil is frozen half the year, they have to learn quickly how to preserve things, that alone imposes a way of life and an organizational imperative without which they would die.

By contrast a people living in a land where the weather doesnt kill them and the soil is fertile all year round would not have these imperatives. They would also not build thicker housing or develop more heavy and detailed clothing!
This is very very key and you need to absorb it and not dismiss it lightly as you are wont to. Because the ripple effects seep into everything.

Has there been, could there be civilisational development? Sure, and of course. But could it advance and scale to the level of basic, not even advanced WN? There is nothing to suggest this.

Again, pertinent. But it doesn't excuse the fact that even for the individual tribes, the FD as you term it, had never developed to the degree that WN model development, especially scientific advancement and technological progress were ever in view.

This I believe I have addressed.

Don't forget, prior to WN intervention, the tribes effectively existed as separate nations. And I believe there would have been further development, more advancement. But to what degree? And I see nothing to suggest great scientific or technological strides. The prevalent superstitions for one, would have been too a great hinderance

TV01, Europe also had great superstitions, I dont need to tell you that. Secondly, if you look at the detail of Kingdoms like the Benin Kingdom right here in Nigeria, you would have no doubt whatsoever that they were well on their way, just at a different pace dictated by a different environment.

It is easy for some to call pre-colonial Africans savage and yet steal the Benin Bronzes which were clearly works of civilization at an already advanced stage of artistic endeavor!

Again to my point. It's why the vestiges of colonialism or apartheid cannot be maintained or improved upon. It's why SA under black majority rule, with it's natal F& can only journey back to where it came. It is exactly that "local mindset", not ethnicity, not skin colour that determines this.

Time. It will take time. Black SA, it can be said, is still in its infancy. There is absolutely nothing inferior or savage about them. It is just natural cycles and it is insane to ignore what they suffered under apartheid and judge them in a mere thirty years.

If you were to create a nation of ethnically black people with a critical mass of inhabitants with a WN type FD then a WN type society would emerge. Otherwise what I term "inherency" prevails. Hence why I shudder at the thought of immigration at scale from countries from a non-WN FD. We see the outworking already in the UK, as the historical FD starts to be compromised and eroded, by people from what I make no bones abut calling an inferior FD.

There is nothing to be worried about except from those societies which intrinsically by their religion abhor freedom, as freedom is critical to Western culture and it is precious in our sight.

@bold, I see your take here as wrong - a nation of immigrants yes, but overlaid on a FD that is clearly of the WN milieu. As I noted, it's not about the ethnicity, skin colour or origins, its about the prevailing FD. Everyone that arrives in America has to buy into that, or arrive with FD that is a close facsimile.

Indeed the Foundational Demographic (I have warned you about using acronyms you dont define, I assume from the context this is what you mean by FD - or at least certainly the foundational or core culture) for America was key, there is no denying that. But put that against the perspective of everything I have said about what it takes to develop - climate, weather, geography and mixture. The white demographic had had the benefit of that by the time it reached America.

In answer to what you said about exchanging say blacks with whites in a given society and seeing the result, I would ask you to think like this: Do you for one second imagine that if one hundred thousand years ago the set of people that remained in Africa were placed in Europe and the set of people that were in Europe then were placed in Africa, do you seriously imagine that every factor I have pointed out above would not similarly lead both sets along the paths that have emerged today?

Listen - denying the effect of climate and geography in this matter is therefore as bad as denying that blacks are black because of the weather, and whites are white because of same!

Stages of development yes. It does not mean that all societies ultimately morph into modern libera democracies. We haven't had these before. Hypotheses about such things as climate, fauna, etc. are just that. They cannot be falsified or empirically proven. I don't buy them.

They are cold hard indisputable facts.

Kindly evidence or expatiate on this assertion.

Evidence that empires and development are in cycles? You are kidding me right?

Splendour and grandeur are relative, and, not the sole or even necessarily a hallmark of true civilisation. With ritual sacrifices into the tens of thousands every year? Cannabalsm, Incessant tribal warfare and only basic technological advance? These were not modern-day liberal democracies, with the attendant rights, liberties and freedoms. Let alone scientific inquiry and technological advancement or capital market economies.

Here I take issue with you. Tell me which was worse - tearing out someone's heart as a sacrifice or burning / torturing and hanging hundreds of thousands of women to death at the stake on accusation of witchcraft? And I hope you know this continued in Europe for more than 200 years after they had reached the Americas? The point is that Europe also had very barbaric practices even into the modern age and therefore it is absurd that you try to wish away the civilization of Meso America on that ground alone - and this is even wishing away the fact that much of what Europeans negatively reported about the places they conquered was highly embellished to demonize them. Standard practice of conquering nations throughout history.

Thank you for the detailed effort. See the map showing temperate zones of the world below.

cc: Ijebos / LordReed / cococandy / bemeruca / benalvino3 / Obrigardo / GracieX3 / raumdeuter / anonimi / GloriousGbola / RogersAkpafu /Bayelsaowei (I copy you all because I lbelieve this topic is foundational to a lot discussed on this thread in terms of racial issues and just so that you are abreast where the issues come up in future discussions. So please dont be irritated, especially with the length.

cc: lionessza6 / irongalaxy / - I copy you because of the South Africa angle. Some posters here try to deride the progress of South Africa, and i see that as wrong and short sighted, I see a broadly historical perspective.

Climate Change.
I've been calling it a hoax and a scheme by the liberals to siphon money while micromanaging every aspect of the society.
A scheme to bankrupt the world leaving the civilian population dependent on the all powerful government.
Elites have been quoted declaring that "we know best".

In a framework published in the journal Geoscientific Model Development for the upcoming Seventh Assessment Report (AR7), international climate modelers formally classified RCP 8.5 and its updated equivalent, SSP5-8.5, as "implausible".

** Some time ago our efforts to get a big tech setup a data centre in Nigeria relying fully on its own power plant failed. EU would fine the company for using fossil fuels. It's😀 ridiculous to say the least.**

DeepSight:
Japa is normal throughout history. Japa to places where one has access to more and to more developed places. Doesn't mean those places could not be the more developed countries that have sucked yours dry to be developed. Standard in fact.

At what point in history did oyinbos japa here to help us make our country better than theirs

anonimi:
At what point in history did oyinbos japa here to help us make our country better than theirs

You should thank the sun and the mosquito. But for these two things they would be here up till today.

And there are examples of places they did that to. America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa.

DeepSight:
You should thank the sun and the mosquito. But for these two things they would be here up till today.

And there are examples of places they did that to. America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa.

Is there no sun and mosquito plus even worse things in the southern part of America, as well as Australia and New Zealand?

What of Caribbean islands and other islands in the Pacific Ocean

anonimi:
Is there no sun and mosquito plus even worse things in the southern part of America, as well as Australia and New Zealand?

What of Caribbean islands and other islands in the Pacific Ocean

You can see the difference in gradations in each place.

DeepSight:
You can see the difference in gradations in each place.

What I see is our failure to accept responsibility for our inability to evolve from the self centric model that holds us down, into enlightened self interest.

It’s the mindset that made us the only race to massively sell its own people to others, in the way that the Jewish brothers sold Joseph to the Egyptian.

The saddest part is how we insisted on continuing the criminal trade, after oyinbos changed their minds.

anonimi:
The often cited biography titled Madame Tinubu: Merchant and King-maker, authored by Nigerian historian Oladipo Yemitan, paints her views regarding slave trading.

On one occasion, during her final sojourn in Abeokuta, she was alleged to have sold a young boy into slavery and was accused of it. When arraigned before Ogundipe Alatise over the matter, she reportedly explained: 'I have a large house-hold and I must feed them well. I need money to do that, that's why'.

— Oladipo. Yemitan, 'Madame Tinubu: Merchant and King-maker'

Another section of Yemitan's Tinubu biography, referred to as the Amadie-Ojo Affair, captures a slave trading deal gone sour in 1853 (notably after the 1852 Treaty abolishing slavery in Lagos) wherein Tinubu tells another slave trader (Domingo Martinez) that "she would rather drown the slaves [20 in number] than sell them at a discount".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efunroye_Tinubu

What or who stopped us from doing like the Japanese leaders did to slavery

anonimi:
Slavery in Japan

Japanese slave women were even sold as concubines to Asian lascar and African crew members, along with their European counterparts serving on Portuguese ships trading in Japan, mentioned by Luis Cerqueira, a Portuguese Jesuit, in a 1598 document.

Japanese slaves were brought by the Portuguese to Macau, where some of them not only ended up being enslaved to Portuguese, but as slaves to other slaves, with the Portuguese owning Malay and African slaves, who in turn owned Japanese slaves of their own.

Hideyoshi was so disgusted that his own Japanese people were being sold en masse into slavery on Kyushu, that he wrote a letter to Jesuit Vice-Provincial Gaspar Coelho on 24 July 1587 to demand the Portuguese, Siamese (Thai), and Cambodians stop purchasing and enslaving Japanese and return Japanese slaves who ended up as far as India. Hideyoshi blamed the Portuguese and Jesuits for this slave trade and banned Christian proselytizing as a result.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Japan

anonimi:
What I see is our failure to accept responsibility for our inability to evolve from the self centric model that holds us down, into enlightened self interest.

It’s the mindset that made us the only race to massively sell its own people to others, in the way that the Jewish brothers sold Joseph to the Egyptian.

The saddest part is how we insisted on continuing the criminal trade, after oyinbos changed their minds.




What or who stopped us from doing like the Japanese leaders did to slavery

I know your position on this matter from a past discussion. That's why I copied you here. It's a massive subject and not everything can be addressed in one post.

I may or may not delve into your questions but first let me ask: what is your own explanation for how things have turned out thus far? Simple inferiority or stupidity?

DeepSight:
I know your position on this matter from a past discussion. That's why I copied you here. It's a massive subject and not everything can be addressed in one post.

I may or may not delve into your questions but first let me ask: what is your own explanation for how things have turned out thus far? Simple inferiority or stupidity?

The two are linked and intertwined, but enlightenment can reverse them

anonimi:
The two are linked and intertwined, but enlightenment can reverse them

Please clarify. Your answer is not clear.

Can we all see a parallel?

Stock market is blossoming, billionaires are getting richer etc..

How about average citizens??

Donald Trump worshippers are no different from Reno Omokri.. pathetic sycophants..

😃😃😀😀

Two charged with murder of an unborn baby.

https://borderhawk.news/two-illegals-charged-with-murdering-unborn-baby-in-texas-shooting/

One of the victims was a 17-year-old girl who was pregnant. She was taken to the hospital. Doctors performed an emergency C-Section, but were not able to save the baby.

Calero-Jiron has nine charges against him. They include capital murder, numerous felony aggravated assault charges, and firearms and drug charges.

Someone here should quickly rush there and correct the charge sheet to read unmitigated and unplanned death of the unborn foetus.
You know yourself . Don't have to mention you.

Deepsight.
We don't really need history to know why Africa lags behind.
We know how the Asian tigers built theirs. We know how the Europeans and Americand built theirs. Do we need to go to their starting point.No we don't.
They had plans that they implemented.
We have amazing plans also. Short term, intermediate and long term .

I kinda feel you are still blaming others for our sorry state. We are our own enemies, simple .
Let the causes of why we remain (ed) stagnant be studied by historians as we stride ahead to an $11 trillion economy by 2050.

basilico:
Deepsight.
We don't really need history to know why Africa lags behind.
We know how the Asian tigers built theirs. We know how the Europeans and Americand built theirs. Do we need to go to their starting point.No we don't.
They had plans that they implemented.
We have amazing plans also. Short term, intermediate and long term .

I kinda feel you are still blaming others for our sorry state. We are our own enemies, simple .
Let the causes of why we remain (ed) stagnant be studied by historians as we stride ahead to an $11 trillion economy by 2050.

If you don't understand the reasons for your problems, not only will you not know the right way to approach them, you will suffer psychologically from the prejudices and denigrations of those who will mischaracterize them.

And when you say I am blaming others, would those others include the climate, and natural barriers such as the Sahara Desert and the Oceans all of which I have mentioned?

This is not a blame game.

It is anthropology.

DeepSight:
If you don't understand the reasons for your problems, not only will you not know the right way to approach them, you will suffer psychologically from the prejudices and denigrations of those who will mischaracterize them.

And when you say I am blaming others, would those others include the climate, and natural barriers such as the Sahara Desert and the Oceans all of which I have mentioned?

This is not a blame game.

It is anthropology.

Are you sure you know what you have been doing here?

benalvino3:
Are you sure you know what you have been doing here?

I am giving you logical reasons for the state of affairs.

What are your own reasons for the state of affairs?

DeepSight:
I am giving you logical reasons for the state of affairs.

What are your own reasons for the state of affairs?

There is no logic in your reasoning.

I have said it's people like you. That's my reason for the state of African nations. People like you are the reason our situations are bleak.

benalvino3:
There is no logic in your reasoning.

I have said it's people like you. That's my reason for the state of African nations. People like you are the reason our situations are bleak.

Point out the flaws.

You cannot even follow simple reasoning.

Oya tell me the map of the temperate zones is a coincidence.

What I am telling you is as simple and as kindergarten as saying that a freezing person will have to look for heat and that has ripple effects and you are denying such self evident things. Shior.

At the end of the day even if we use an extreme example and say one person was put in an oasis and he prospered, and another person was put in a barren desert and he starved, you basically will want to say that the person who starved only starved because he was not intelligent and the person who prospered in the oasis prospered because he was brilliant.

You will bring up their respective culture like Tctrills and forget that their environment dictated their culture.

The tragedy is that if the person who starved was white you will make excuses for him. But if he was black you will say it's because he was daft and claim that anyone who points out that he was in a desert was making excuses and not taking responsibility.

The factors I have pointed out are backed by detailed and extensive academic studies.

If you say they are rubbish, lets have your explanation.

DeepSight:
Point out the flaws.

You cannot even follow simple reasoning.

Oya tell me the map of the temperate zones is a coincidence.

What I am telling you is as simple and as kindergarten as saying that a freezing person will have to look for heat and that has ripple effects and you are denying such self evident things. Shior.

At the end of the day even if we use an extreme example and say one person was put in an oasis and he prospered, and another person was put in a barren desert and he starved, you basically will want to say that the person who starved only starved because he was not intelligent and the person who prospered in the oasis prospered because he was brilliant.

You will bring up their respective culture like Tctrills and forget that their environment dictated their culture.

The tragedy is that if the person who starved was white you will make excuses for him. But if he was black you will say it's because he was daft and claim that anyone who points out that he was in a desert was making excuses and not taking responsibility.

This is a shame. Wait for my response.

benalvino3:
This is a shame. Wait for my response.

Sure.
But make sure to include your own explanation for the state of affairs!
Danke!

DeepSight:
Point out the flaws.

You cannot even follow simple reasoning.

Oya tell me the map of the temperate zones is a coincidence.

What I am telling you is as simple and as kindergarten as saying that a freezing person will have to look for heat and that has ripple effects and you are denying such self evident things. Shior.

At the end of the day even if we use an extreme example and say one person was put in an oasis and he prospered, and another person was put in a barren desert and he starved, you basically will want to say that the person who starved only starved because he was not intelligent and the person who prospered in the oasis prospered because he was brilliant.

You will bring up their respective culture like Tctrills and forget that their environment dictated their culture.

The tragedy is that if the person who starved was white you will make excuses for him. But if he was black you will say it's because he was daft and claim that anyone who points out that he was in a desert was making excuses and not taking responsibility.

The factors I have pointed out are backed by detailed and extensive academic studies.

If you say they are rubbish, lets have your explanation.

You are not wrong at all with your anthology. Why are we still lagging when there are enough blueprints to move us forward. The wheel was already invented.
Include African Americans too.

basilico:
You are not wrong at all with your anthology. Why are we still lagging when there are enough blueprints to move us forward. The wheel was already invented.
Include African Americans too.

The truth is that many other factors come into play. This is real life we are analyzing not a stage play. The reasons why a person was late to work on a certain day can be up to ten. It can be because he had an emergency. It can be because he stayed up all night nacking his woman. It can be because he got drunk the night before. It can be because he was ill. It can be because his car broke down. It can be because armed robbers attacked him on his way to work. It can be because he is lazy. It can be because he hates his job. It can be because he is not motivated because he is treated badly at work. It can be because he is thinking of resigning.

Most importantly it can be all of these reasons or a combination of some of them at the same time!

In answer to your question in bold, the simple answer is that this independence thing we are talking about is waaaaaaaaaaaaay too recent in terms of the life of nations! It is a nano-second. There is almost no way that things will not evolve, by the end of this century for example. Its a process that has to be lived through and it just seems like you guys want to skip the process and magically arrive at perfect development. It can never work that way no matter how globalized the world is because these are human and not robot societies! Things will stand in the way such as illiteracy, conflict, prejudice, corruption, etc. Each of these is a challenge that will have to be worked through with time.