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These are referred to as COINCIDENCES - as you asked.

Religionists certainly do have brains, so do philosophers - they all contributed to the foundation of knowledge today.

It's fascinating also that you answer questions of beliefs with "beliefs".

When you're asked a question about your belief, you reply with a Bible verse evidence - whilst, I don't have a transcript of biblical times from a time machine, I would reply you with everyday people's experiences as my own evidence of what happened in the spiritual and biblical years.

The Bible in my opinion is a diary of many writers of experiences in ancient times.

Writers of the Bible - be them John, Saul, David etc... documented important physical events in Jerusalem, Israel and Egypt - they acted like news reporters of the ancient times.

In the ancient time, messengers of God were sent into towns and cities to spread God's messages - but some faced resistance from people in these towns and cities just as it's happening with today's evangelism.

Some messengers of God including Jesus, were likely called fake prophets back in the time and only a few listened to them - which is similar to today's pastors often called fake prophets.

Many writers and messengers in the bible, practiced observation of significant persons through one-on-one conversations and written descriptions of persons and events to preserve memories.

Every accurate story and misinterpreted story (rumors, hearsays) were told to these writers and documented.

The stories of Demons, Daniel in the Lions den and Jesus resurrection were all word of mouth narration of events largely overemphasized or misinterpreted through multiple-person dissemination. Nevertheless, writers in Biblical times documented them all.

The documentation of miracles in the bible such as Jonah in the Shark's mouth, Jesus multiplying bread and fish to Moses dividing the red sea - are metaphorical accounts of physically-inclined moments that took place - rather than actual supernatural events.

As a result of low-education in the Biblical days, people were gullible and all-believing. Rumors of miracles or events were unfiltered and disseminated throughout out cities - as similarly done in modern day media.

Over time, these rumors, miracle exaggerations and detailed accounts of Biblical experiences became beliefs and were archived in scrolls and passed down generations to the medieval times when scholars decided to put these historical pieces of information into a single book called the Bible.

The Bible then became the Google of yester- years (B.C & A.D) - and people began to meditate on it. This era (medieval period) was religiouly extreme to the point that some persons accused of witchcraft were stoned to death.

Overtime, enlightened persons wanted to convert a society of anarchy into a society of laws and this movement led to the scientific inquiry period.

Moving forward, many countries in the world, began to abolish many beliefs that were harmful to humans, thanks to the new education (science).

Society started progressing with modern age thinking and things that couldn't be seen nor explained, began becoming clearer to the people overtime.

In some modern and civilized countries today, religion is seen as "taking people 100 steps back in history". Science is providing these people with quick answers to solve immediate problems - unlike religion that tells story excuses and provides zero solutions to their current world problems.

Please note: The above is a personal opinion of the Bible creation, not verified history.

MaxInDHouse:
It's because you haven't known what was predicted (prophesied) in the Bible.🙂

God said He will use His laws to gather obedient and faithful people throughout the world under one umbrella {Isaiah 2:2-4} of course that may sound so cheap right? But then He said at that same time the world will be filled with racism and politics so that there will be killings here and there {Revelation 6:3-4} while His own worshipers will have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} and there will be false religions claiming they are worshipers of God everywhere {Matthew 7:15} but their failure to make peace reign among them will expose them! Matthew 7:16-18

Today a global group called Jehovah's Witnesses emerged and fit in to all these descriptions and there is no nation or race that is not part of this group just as the Bible foretold {Act 1:8} do you think all these things are coincidental?🙂

Let me shock you again.

In the same Bible God foretold that an ancient city called Babylon known for it's grand glory will be destroyed and it happened just as it was written but the most shocking part of this prophecy says that city will remain in ruins after its demolition {Isaiah 13:19-20} and that is exactly what has happened till today!

Do you think that was a coincidence?🙂

Ọmọ you may have decided in your own heart never to allow religion get control over your life but don't think those sticking to religions have no brain o!😂

It's good to know you find this hilarious.

As mentioned in my last rebuttal, religion is foundational knowledge of what we know.

Ancient people not necessarily Bible characters contributed to science.

Historical figures in ancient Europe like in the stories of Roman empire, Julius caeser, Merlin and Kings Arthur periods all deviced crude equipments to understand their world.

This was the beginning of science.

The biology, chemistry and physics are the buildings on that foundation - or the finished products of ancient discoveries.

So, from your submission - you clearly state how physically and spiritually inclined religion was.

Nevertheless, religion of today and yesterday has proven to more physical than spiritual.

MaxInDHouse:
This is really hilarious walahi talahi!😂

Please when did the so called scientists discovered the force of gravity that the Bible spoke of thousands of years back?

When did so called scientists discover the shape of the earth?

When did so called scientists discover water circle?

When did so called scientists discover that there are many planets out there but only earth is habitable?

Ọmọ the Bible is far far far ahead of your so called scientists in all of these!🙂

You are making wrong assertions!

I'm not quoting the Bible to confirm the things i say the scriptures are for those following the thread who may like to know where it's written in the Bible.

As for you i give you what you can see with your own eyes as foretold in the Bible!

kayjordan:
It's fascinating also that you answer questions of beliefs with "beliefs".
When you're asked a question about your belief, you reply with a Bible verse evidence. Please note: The above is a personal opinion of the Bible creation, not verified history.

kayjordan:
Ancient people not necessarily Bible characters contributed to science.
Historical figures in ancient Europe like in the stories of Roman empire, Julius caeser, Merlin and Kings Arthur periods all deviced crude equipments to understand their world.
This was the beginning of science.

I asked you questions needing answers Sir!
Please when did the so called scientists discovered the force of gravity that the Bible spoke of thousands of years back?

When did so called scientists discover the shape of the earth?

When did so called scientists discover water circle?

When did so called scientists discover that there are many planets out there but only earth is habitable?

Please answer!🙂

Fantastic questions!

The scientists discovered gravity, shape of earth and other discoveries mostly in the 16th and 17th century.

Questions answered.

Christianity is definitely older than these discoveries. One the other hand, you assert Christianity discovered the elements of the universe first - the question is how?

MaxInDHouse:
I asked you questions needing answers Sir!
Please when did the so called scientists discovered the force of gravity that the Bible spoke of thousands of years back?

When did so called scientists discover the shape of the earth?

When did so called scientists discover water circle?

When did so called scientists discover that there are many planets out there but only earth is habitable?

Please answer!🙂

kayjordan:
Fantastic questions!
The scientists discovered gravity, shape of earth and other discoveries mostly in the 16th and 17th century.

All these things has been WRITTEN in God's word (Bible) since thousands of years ago!

So how come you want to place your scientists above God's word?

The only things you've shown me as foretold is the Babylon story and scientific evidences - which are highly imaginative despite true life pictures of them.

"Show me the process, not the result" - says the Wise ones!

If you do "Mini mini MI Ni mo" - you can luckily guess an answer right.

About your evidences foretold - I would give you a typical illustration that weakens them:

We live in an audio-visual world where everything you hear must be backed with images. For example, If you "hear" someone talking, you are more likely to peep at who's talking just to "see" that person - that's the natural instinct of man.

Humans are wired not just to hear things but see things. If people keep hearing from a religionist, things they can't see, they are likely to lose trust in such religionist.

You say the Bible predicted Babylon's collapse and it came to past; you also say the Christianity discovered the elements and science of the universe that set the benchmark for other schools of thoughts - while these maybe true, there are also false prophesies that never came to past or are yet to come to past.

For example; Christianity never predicted moving vehicles, skyscraper developments, telephone connectivity etc. It's selective or better still, not robust enough.

The entire information of Christianity can be found all in one book (The Bible) with a thousand pages. Science on the other hand is robust with tens of books on various branches of science.

While I give credit to religion for discovering the "raw meat" - I give ultimate credit to science for "cooking the raw meat" for the party.

There's a popular song in Nigeria titled "Audio" - that depicts fake living - in this context, it depicts "Noise" without "Action".

The story of Jonah in the Shark's mouth is likely a classical "Audio" - this is why I say so using present day analysis:

"God instructed Jonah to go to a particular city to preach and he refused - and all of a sudden we hear a shark swallowed him and dumped him at the very city he didn't want to go"

While it maybe true he arrived the city involuntarily - there's no "visual" proof to show a shark took him there - neither is there "visual" proof that "God" instructed him - it could have been a Prophet mistaken for God who instructed him - also Jonah may have fallen into the water accidentally and swept away by it to the shores of that very city, but the event is being mistaken for a "shark".

The reporters of the Jonah story may have started the story from a casual conversation between two fellows over the incident and one of them (using typical human interactions) may have suggested to the other : "maybe it's a shark that swallowed him and landed him there - and the other fellow would report what that fellow told him to another fellow saying - "they said it's a shark that took him there" - and before you say Jack Robinson, the first-hand information would change and be misinterpreted - and a beloved writer would hear the altered version of the story and document it as the miracles of God.

There's no difference between how human beings interact in modern societies today and how humans interacted in biblical times.

Largely everything you've read in the bible or heard is a collection of truth, hearsays, imagination, guesses and personal biases.

MaxInDHouse:
You are making wrong assertions!

I'm not quoting the Bible to confirm the things i say the scriptures are for those following the thread who may like to know where it's written in the Bible.

As for you i give you what you can see with your own eyes as foretold in the Bible!

The reason I will place scientists above God is because they show "processes" as evidence of discoveries.

Spiritual people only double-guess and print them on papers as scriptural evidences.

You as a JW member won't believe any one is innocent in a supermarket (for example) until you see the CCTV - is that correct?

Or would you consult the Bible to reveal the culprits?

MaxInDHouse:
All these things has been WRITTEN in God's word (Bible) since thousands of years ago!

So how come you want to place your scientists above God's word?

Don't change the subject!🙂
Someone revealed to those ancient Bible writers what is known today as gravity, talked about the shape of the earth, water circle and also said earth is the only planet that is habitable thousands of years before scientists discovered all these things .

The question is:

Who is behind such foreknowledge even before scientists began making their own research?🙂

kayjordan:
The reason I will place scientists above God is because they show "processes" as evidence of discoveries. Spiritual people only double-guess and print them on papers as scriptural evidences. You as a JW member won't believe any one is innocent in a supermarket (for example) until you see the CCTV - is that correct? Or would you consult the Bible to reveal the culprits?

kayjordan:
"Show me the process, not the result" - says the Wise ones!

Can any scientist show me the process of how life began?

I haven't changed the subject. The subject was thoroughly answered.

The person behind the foreknowledge of scientific inquiry from your perspective (Bible), can only be answered by you - for you are the Defender of the scriptures.

You have refused to answer the CCTV question. Please Answer.

MaxInDHouse:
Don't change the subject!🙂
Someone revealed to those ancient Bible writers what is known today as gravity, talked about the shape of the earth, water circle and also said earth is the only planet that is habitable thousands of years before scientists discovered all these things .

The question is:

Who is behind such foreknowledge even before scientists began making their own research?🙂

The process was taught in senior secondary school - do you remember?

If don't or were not taught - here's a brief overview answer:

Life began as a group of tiny-like tadpole organisms that developed in stages over a period of time on earth.

At every stage of development, life began to take various forms.

The last stage of full development led to the early-man period.

Overtime again, full development of humans began to go through refinement - where humans started changing from ape-like beings to human beings.

This process happened millions of years ago.

How this was discovered by scientists was through a process called "archeology" which is the discovery of artifacts and bones underneath sand in the ground - and these specimen were taken to a laboratory to provide the answer you now seek.

MaxInDHouse:
Can any scientist show me the process of how life began?

kayjordan:
Life began as a group of tiny-like tadpole organisms that developed in stages over a period of time on earth.

Can any scientist experiment this thing from scratch so that he/she first create a tiny-like tadpoles organisms and make them develop into a living creature like a tiger?
Ọmọ there is no difference between what they taught you and what the Bible said regarding how life began on planet earth.
Nobody can experiment any of the two from scratch so why should i believe one above another?
The only reason that could make me believe one above another is when that one says what has not happened before and actualize it.
Scientists can't predict what they will discover that has never been seen or the process has never been experimented before but God's word did that!🙂

kayjordan:
I haven't changed the subject. The subject was thoroughly answered.

The person behind the foreknowledge of scientific inquiry from your perspective (Bible), can only be answered by you

Simple: GOD!🙂

What exactly is your question about CCTV?🙂

There have been series of genetic mutations and experiments conducted by scientists.

Reproductive specimens have been experimented on in labs to create alternative knowledge of how humans developed into beings.

The difference between the Bible's discoveries and Scientists' discoveries is = VERIFIED PROCESS.

That's why I asked you the CCTV question - which I will type out for you again in the next bubble.

MaxInDHouse:
Can any scientist experiment this thing from scratch so that he/she first create a tiny-like tadpoles organisms and make them develop into a living creature like a tiger?
Ọmọ there is no difference between what they taught you and what the Bible said regarding how life began on planet earth.
Nobody can experiment any of the two from scratch so why should i believe one above another?
The only reason that could make me believe one above another is when that one says what has not happened before and actualize it.
Scientists can't predict what they will discover that has never been seen or the process has never been experimented before but God's word did that!🙂

If you say "GOD" - then that's your best effort.

Now, to the question I say I'll ask you over and over again is in this former rebuttal below:

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"Spiritual people only double-guess and print them on papers as scriptural evidences.

You as a JW member won't believe any one is innocent in a supermarket (for example) until you see the CCTV - is that correct?

Or would you consult the Bible to reveal the culprits?"

MaxInDHouse:
Simple: GOD!🙂

What exactly is your question about CCTV?🙂

kayjordan:
There have been series of genetic mutations and experiments conducted by scientists. Reproductive specimens have been experimented on in labs to create alternative knowledge of how humans developed into beings.
The difference between the Bible's discoveries and Scientists' discoveries is = VERIFIED PROCESS.

You haven't answered my question.

Can any scientist experiment how their discoveries could bring about a living tiger out of the tiny-like tadpoles they make by themselves?

YES or NO?

kayjordan:
That's why I asked you the CCTV question - which I will type out for you again in the next bubble.

Go ahead Sir!

kayjordan:
You as a JW member won't believe any one is innocent in a supermarket (for example) until you see the CCTV - is that correct?
Or would you consult the Bible to reveal the culprits?

According to the Bible whatever anyone does all are guilty until we go out and start talking about how to help the so called culprits so that they can have a change of heart using God's word.
Whoever focuses on what the criminal did but failed to figure out what made a normal human become so frustrated into becoming a criminal is also guilty of that crime because you are not ready to help!🙂

No, simply because it will take millions of years to achieve that but certainly they will get a pre-result over a period of years.

Just as I answered your scientific question now in a direct manner - I expect you to answer the CCTV question in a direct manner in the next rebuttal I'll make.

MaxInDHouse:
You haven't answered my question.

Can any scientist experiment how their discoveries could bring about a living tiger out of the tiny-like tadpoles they make by themselves?

YES or NO?



Go ahead Sir!

A fantastic bye-pass of question.

Your usage of a morality excuse doesn't answer the direct question.

Please re-answer the questions as if you were in a live situation:

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"Spiritual people only double-guess and print them on papers as scriptural evidences.

You as a JW member won't believe any one is innocent in a supermarket (for example) until you see the CCTV - is that correct?

Or would you consult the Bible to reveal the culprits?"

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible whatever anyone does all are guilty until we go out and start talking about how to help the so called culprits so that they can have a change of heart using God's word.
Whoever focuses on what the criminal did but failed to figure out what made a normal human become so frustrated into becoming a criminal is also guilty of that crime because you are not ready to help!🙂

kayjordan:
No, simply because it will take millions of years to achieve that but certainly they will get a pre-result over a period of years.

So let's wait until they do before telling people to rate scientists above God's word.
My own grandma could do better than you so called scientists. She planted her own yam, tomatoes, pepper and palm trees then she CREATED pounded yam and soup that kept us growing up until now. So your scientists are nothing but fraudulent liars claiming what they are not!

OK you don't get my point.

We don't need to know the culprit rather what led him into such acts that is why your CCTV is useless to us!

kayjordan:
A fantastic bye-pass of question.
Your usage of a morality excuse doesn't answer the direct question.
Please re-answer the questions as if you were in a live situation:
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"Spiritual people only double-guess and print them on papers as scriptural evidences. You as a JW member won't believe any one is innocent in a supermarket (for example) until you see the CCTV - is that correct? Or would you consult the Bible to reveal the culprits?"

Farming is AGRICULTURAL SCIENCE.

If anyone plants a seed in the ground that is - NATURE.

If anyone studies how the seeds grow - that's - SCIENCE.

Religion has no business with science as it can't understand it; the same way Science has no business with God as it cannot study God.

MaxInDHouse:
So let's wait until they do before telling people to rate scientists above God's word.
My own grandma could do better than you so called scientists. She planted her own yam, tomatoes, pepper and palm trees then she CREATED pounded yam and soup that kept us growing up until now. So your scientists are nothing but fraudulent liars claiming what they are not!

I got your "excuse" point correctly!

So, from your response below:

If you're a staff-member of that Supermarket, you would tell the other staff members and the management that you don't need to check the CCTV Camera of the Supermarket to detect the thief? - and you mean you will tell the management to find out the main reason why the accused person stole from the Supermarket instead?

And what would happen next?

MaxInDHouse:
OK you don't get my point.

We don't need to know the culprit rather what led him into such acts that is why your CCTV is useless to us!

kayjordan:
Religion has no business with science as it can't understand it; the same way Science has no business with God as it cannot study God.

Of course people claiming scientists wants to make themselves Gods over their neighbors but they failed.
Now you agreed that my grandma was a scientist too because she performed the experiment herself.
So what exactly has your so called scientists done that's different from what my grandma did?😂

The highlighted should tell you that the CCTV is only useful for people seeking culprits not people looking for ways to help people change their way of thinking!🙂

kayjordan:
I got your "excuse" point correctly!
So, from your response below:
If you're a staff-member of that Supermarket, you would tell the other staff members and the management that you don't need to check the CCTV Camera of the Supermarket to detect the thief? - and you mean you will tell the management to find out the main reason why the accused person stole from the Supermarket instead?
And what would happen next?

Science is in no competition with any school of thought. It's main mission is to clarify things.

Your Grandma practiced both science and nature. Any one can work with things of the earth to create solutions - and that's what we call NATURAL SCIENCE.

Whilst we have basic understanding of science, there's an advanced science that requires more than seed planting - it requires highly technical experimentation.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course people claiming scientists wants to make themselves Gods over their neighbors but they failed.
Now you agreed that my grandma was a scientist too because she performed the experiment herself.
So what exactly has your so called scientists done that's different from what my grandma did?😂

Then that will be a classic example of - "Go Supermarket Theif ! - for your sins are forgiven".

Yet - you preach your God will not spare unbelievers on the surface of this earth - and will destroy them.

You also said that man planted the "idea" of sin in his head - and that it's not of God's creation - yet Adam and Eve planted the idea of sin in their minds - and God didn't ask them "why they sinned" - he immediately punished them by throwing them out of Eden...

This is religious hypocrisy of the HIGHEST LEVEL - or maybe it's a case of different TV sets receiving different signals from the same CNN America - A.K.A (Confused Religion).

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted should tell you that the CCTV is only useful for people seeking culprits not people looking for ways to help people change their way of thinking!🙂

kayjordan:
Then that will be a classic example of - "Go Supermarket Theif ! - for your sins are forgiven".

Yet - you preach your God will not spare unbelievers on the surface of this earth - and will destroy them.

NO!
Our God doesn't judge irrationally.

There are two categories of unbelievers those who have not been convinced of the goodies about God's Kingdom and those who deliberately chose to be stubborn after knowing the good God's Kingdom will bring to inhabitants of planet earth.

So you see criminals only after they committed a crime but we investigate by knowing what exactly makes them steal.

Can you find Tinubu's son stealing in a supermarket?
That is to tell you your CCTV doesn't care about people for real!🙂

kayjordan:
Science is in no competition with any school of thought.

The Bible stands as only school of thought established by God!🙂

Psychologically, your body language displayed in replies suggest "insincerity" which is typically referred to as LYING - a broken commandment law.

You're too human and Nigerian to do what you say you would do to a Supermarket Theif.

Subconsciously, you'll be MOST likely to call the police than let a criminal go with mere corrections.

I'd like to assume you said all that just for this debate - because no one in such a situation, would keep his/her job in that Supermarket after that day - and even worse, such person would be tagged an accomplice.

That definitely would tell you the reality of a natural world; not a superficial world you paint.

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
Our God doesn't judge irrationally.

There are two categories of unbelievers those who have not been convinced of the goodies about God's Kingdom and those who deliberately chose to be stubborn after knowing the good God's Kingdom will bring to inhabitants of planet earth.

So you see criminals only after they committed a crime but we investigate by knowing what exactly makes them steal.

Can you find Tinubu's son stealing in a supermarket?
That is to tell you your CCTV doesn't care about people for real!🙂

Then you live in an ILLUSION!

You live a false life - but when you know you have an audience, you switch to "righteous".

What you perform in JW is "Theater Art" - all because of a Kingdom inheritance that even a Preacher doubts exists.

This why I propose originality.

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible stands as only school of thought established by God!🙂