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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GracieX3(f): 2:19pm On May 19
tctrills:
I provided you the stats. You are one taking out of ignorance and anger.
How can a state with 5x smaller budget haveuch better outcomes for black kids.

And you are right, New York comes first in some metrics namely largest spending. But they are below the US average in reading and arithmetic.

I don't understand your 3rd point please explain
I gave you facts that you cannot deny.

1. You can't escape the fact that money has to be invested in education to see any improvement in black people. I never specified how much to spend.

2. You shifted the argument to New York vs Mississippi and still lost. You proved my point that funding education is necessary.

3. You as usual hide stats within stats as a dubious debating technique. For instance, Mississippi has the highest number of blacks among usa states. You omitted that.

4. Comparing New York to Mississippi still doesn't work on some levels. New York ranks 1 in public education on some lists. There are many categories and levels to education

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:22pm On May 19
tctrills:
Africa has about 30% of the world's unused arable land.
About 30% of mineral resources. Some of the best climate for renewables and a demographic that the rest of the world should envy
You are not thinking deeply.

You talk about culture as though it came from nowhere.

Look, people who live in a place where the land will freeze for half the year will necessarily invent methods of both heat and preservation and will be forced into an organized lifestyle and efficient methods as a matter of survival as opposed to people with fertile land and clement weather all year round.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 2:22pm On May 19
bayelsaowei:
Have you factored divorce in your statistics?

Because it would include every race. And I doubt divorced people live together to take of their child/children.
If you look at the stats, it doesn't mention race. When you divorce it doesn't matter if you are able to get with another person and create the economic dynamics that help the children and family escape poverty

E.g A divorce B. Then A goes to marry C, then B goes to marry D. They retain their economic advantage
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 2:23pm On May 19
bemeruca:
Rooying out fraud is the point. If a program is full of fraud, waste, fake claims, or weak eligibility checks, you don’t keep pouring money into it blindly and call that compassion.

You pause, audit, tighten the rules, remove fake beneficiaries, punish the fraudsters, and then make sure the money reaches the real people who need it.

What makes no sense is acting like every dollar spent under the name of feeding children is automatically clean and untouchable.

The Somali Fraud and other fraudstakes money away from actual poor children too.

So yes, root out the fraud. But don’t pretend questioning funding or demanding accountability means someone wants children to starve. That's the logic.
Where are the people indicted for the so-called fraud?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 2:25pm On May 19
DeepSight:
I explained the effect that had in locking us away from the connected old world which spanned the Mediterranean world all the way to China.

You have to be studious and thoughtful please. Not every harsh environment works. Some would kill you off. Some would render the whole race extinct. Some would be just harsh enough to force you to organise yourself.
Thats the manner which a life of excuses come up. Some works for some, and it doesnt work for some
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GracieX3(f): 2:26pm On May 19
tctrills:
The average black American has the opportunity to compete government funded schooling. Many are fed in schools. I gave the example of New York where the government spends more on a high school kid than an entire local government does in Nigeria.

They black American kid has all the cards. The difference is that the Nigerian is coming from a culture that encourages his success.

The moment you get to US, you are under pressure to succeed. The family and community are looking up to you.

That is where culture comes in
Did you forget that private school in the USA give better opportunities than public school.
How many blacks are in private schools.

There are people on the government dole, food stamps. Not everyone is motivated to succeed in the USA
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:28pm On May 19
raumdeuter:
Thats the manner which a life of excuses come up. Some works for some, and it doesnt work for some
Just try using your grey matter. I didn't invent those academic studies and they were not done by leftist politicians either. They are done by seasoned anthropologists.

It's simple madness to deny that the environment influences lifestyle and to call the results excuses.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 2:30pm On May 19
DeepSight:
You are not thinking deeply.

You talk about culture as though it came from nowhere.

Look, people who live in a place where the land will freeze for half the year will necessarily invent methods of both heat and preservation and will be forced into an organized lifestyle and efficient methods as a matter of survival as opposed to people with fertile land and clement weather all year round.
This excuse is no longer valid. People living in the Sahara and Kalahari should also develop methods of agriculture in the desert and prevention of excessive heat that should force them into an organized lifestyle and efficient methods as a matter of survival

But then these excuses no longer make sense in the modern world.

We see what Israel is doing with the Negev, why are we not doing same?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:37pm On May 19
tctrills:
This excuse is no longer valid. People living in the Sahara and Kalahari should also develop methods of agriculture in the desert and prevention of excessive heat that should force them into an organized lifestyle and efficient methods as a matter of survival

But then these excuses no longer make sense in the modern world.

We see what Israel is doing with the Negev, why are we not doing same?
Everything has a ripple effect over time. The barren Sahara is not the same as the Temperate Zone which is habitable and yields. What is possible with modernization is different from what shaped culture for millennia already. Every time you people keep comparing apples for oranges. Pls what excuse did Europe have for stagnating for one thousand years, tell me. I am sick and tired of you calling logic excuses. Enjoy yasef.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 2:42pm On May 19
GracieX3:
I gave you facts that you cannot deny.

1. You can't escape the fact that money has to be invested in education to see any improvement in black people. I never specified how much to spend.

New York highest spender, terrible outcome. This along destroys your argument.

2. You shifted the argument to New York vs Mississippi and still lost. You proved my point that funding education is necessary.
Yes, you don't run education on zero Naira but to your point, New York with 35k per student has worse reading and arithmetics than Mississippi with 7K per child. This again destroys your point.

3. You as usual hide stats within stats as a dubious debating technique. For instance, Mississippi has the highest number of blacks among usa states. You omitted that.
Again this proves my point, even with more blacks, Mississippi has better outcomes per child. Having more black kids is supposed to be a disadvantage for Mississippi yet the are doing much better per child.

4. Comparing New York to Mississippi still doesn't work on some levels. New York ranks 1 in public education on some lists. There are many categories and levels to education
New York tanks number one in funding but terrible in outcome.
Let me give you the list of the best 10 states in outcomes not in funding

According to the 2025–2026 U.S. News rankings, the states with the strongest overall high school performance included:

Massachusetts
Connecticut
New Jersey
California
Virginia
Delaware
Arizona
Florida
Texas
Pennsylvania
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 2:43pm On May 19
DeepSight:
Just try using your grey matter. I didn't invent those academic studies and they were not done by leftist politicians either. They are done by seasoned anthropologists.
It's simple madness to deny that the environment influences lifestyle and to call the results excuses.
Environmental factors are responsible for lack of growth..

Now Sahara desert is also harsh? Another excuses drop

Excuses are like shoe sizes, you will always find one that fits
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 2:44pm On May 19
DeepSight:
Everything has a ripple effect over time. The barren Sahara is not the same as the Temperate Zone which is habitable and yields. What is possible with modernization is different from what shaped culture for millennia already. Every time you people keep comparing apples for oranges. Pls what excuse did Europe have for stagnating for one thousand years, tell me. I am sick and tired of you calling logic excuses. Enjoy yasef.
Mr excuses.
Did you know that native tribes in Peru developed tech to farm in the desert? Why does it have to be only excuses for Africa?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 2:45pm On May 19
GracieX3:
Did you forget that private school in the USA give better opportunities than public school.
How many blacks are in private schools.

There are people on the government dole, food stamps. Not everyone is motivated to succeed in the USA
Private schools need money. When you stay together as a couple, your chances of being better economically and being able to afford private school increases
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:45pm On May 19
tctrills:
Mr excuses.
Did you know that native tribes in Peru developed tech to farm in the desert? Why does it have to be only excuses for Africa?
You know what. This is actually beginning to annoy me. Don't mention me again. Thanks.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 2:46pm On May 19
DeepSight:
Everything has a ripple effect over time. The barren Sahara is not the same as the Temperate Zone which is habitable and yields. What is possible with modernization is different from what shaped culture for millennia already. Every time you people keep comparing apples for oranges. Pls what excuse did Europe have for stagnating for one thousand years, tell me. I am sick and tired of you calling logic excuses. Enjoy yasef.
Was the weather in Europe different then? Didnt they have winter or snow
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:47pm On May 19
raumdeuter:
Environmental factors are responsible for lack of growth..

Now Sahara desert is also harsh? Another excuses drop

Excuses are like shoe sizes, you ill always find one that fits
It's not my problem if logic is your problem.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 2:47pm On May 19
tctrills:
Mr excuses.
Did you know that native tribes in Peru developed tech to farm in the desert? Why does it have to be only excuses for Africa?
The left, the party of excuses and finger pointing, Nothing is ever their fault
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:48pm On May 19
raumdeuter:
Was the weather in Europe different then? Didnt they have winter or snow
Pls ask basilico. Something tells me the same answer will land better in your mind from him.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 2:48pm On May 19
GracieX3:
Did you forget that private school in the USA give better opportunities than public school.
How many blacks are in private schools.

There are people on the government dole, food stamps. Not everyone is motivated to succeed in the USA
You are getting 35k per kid and still complaining about not going to private school, something must be wrong with you.

And yes, we both agree on food stamps, it's making blacks lazy.
But don't forget that Vietnamese came to the US, they basically couldn't speak English, they depended on food stamps but today the average Vietnamese is richer than the average white.

The blacks got lazy and depended on food stamps while the Asians took food stamps got ambitious and are now contributing to the economy no longer receiving
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 2:50pm On May 19
raumdeuter:
The left, the party of excuses and finger pointing, Nothing is ever their fault
I honestly weep for the black leftist
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 2:51pm On May 19
DeepSight:
You know what. This is actually beginning to annoy me. Don't mention me again. Thanks.
Lol.
This always happens and I always love when it happens
Superior argument hits you and you throw tantrums.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 2:54pm On May 19
LordReed:
Where are the people indicted for the so-called fraud?
What do you do with your internet? If you can't find that yourself it's your problem.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:56pm On May 19
tctrills:
Lol.
This always happens and I always love when it happens
Superior argument hits you and you throw tantrums.
It's not anything superior. It's the fact that you don't read and don't think that is annoying.

I have given you people scientific links. Are those scientists making excuses for Africa? Are they leftist politicians?

Look I can't think for you if you can't think for yourself.

I give you lucid explanations about how culture evolves in the temperate zone and you ask why the same doesn't happen in an arid desert where no one lives in the first place.

It is exasperating.

Look, if you can tell me these two statements are false, then good enough.

1. Environment influences lifestyle and culture over time.

2. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Just say these are lies, and let us rest.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:58pm On May 19
raumdeuter:
The left, the party of excuses and finger pointing, Nothing is ever their fault
Of course you will not stop to ask if there were Native tribes even living in the Sahara at all, would you?

And God forbid you task yourself to compare the nature of both deserts.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 3:01pm On May 19
bemeruca:
What do you do with your internet? If you can't find that yourself it's your problem.
Bro name 1 person that has been indicted for fraud in any of these funds, just 1.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 3:01pm On May 19
bayelsaowei:
This is the same strategy Buhari deployed only to throw Nigeria into more poverty and corruption.. Buhari screamed that Jonathan had stolen all the money in Nigeria and so embarked on a showbiz corruption war (many of us knew it was all for show)..

I see the same MO playing in the US. And knowing how wayo-ish Trump is and also a fraud himself the outcome won’t be different.

Who says one can’t clean up a system while a program or initiative is live? Especially when that program benefits a lot of citizens.

I am highly disappointed with Nigerians who have experienced most likely the worst form of leadership/government, but cannot perceive the similarities in the Trump administration.

Ona Dey fall for my hand. Ona be Pikin?
Another one of your false comparison.

Buhari’s failure does not mean every attempt to audit or reform a wasteful program is automatically bad.

Buhari failed because his anti-corruption war was selective, political, incompetent, and did not produce better governance.

E no mean say the solution is to keep broken systems running forever without audit.

Yes I agree, you can clean up some programs while they are live. I agree with that. But that depends on the level of fraud, the structure of the program, and whether money is still reaching the right people.

In some cases you audit while running. In some cases you pause parts of it, remove the rot, then continue. The goal should be accountability, not blind cutting.

You should focus more on the people stealing the money
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 3:01pm On May 19
LordReed:
Bro name 1 person that has been indicted for fraud in any of these funds, just 1.
Them plenty. Use Google
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 3:06pm On May 19
DeepSight:
Of course you will not stop to ask if there were Native tribes even living in the Sahara at all, would you?

And God forbid you task yourself to compare the nature of both deserts.
Excuses are like shoe sizes you will find one that fits. Later you will complain about the size of the sand grains
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:08pm On May 19
raumdeuter:
Excuses are like shoe sizes you will find one that fits. Later you will complain about the size of the sand grains
Look, if you can tell me these two statements are false, then good enough.

1. Environment influences lifestyle and culture over time.

2. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Just tell me these are lies so we can all rest the issue.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 3:08pm On May 19
DeepSight:
It's not anything superior. It's the fact that you don't read and don't think that is annoying.

I have given you people scientific links. Are those scientists making excuses for Africa? Are they leftist politicians?

Look I can't think for you if you can't think for yourself.

I give you lucid explanations about how culture evolves in the temperate zone and you ask why the same doesn't happen in an arid desert where no one lives in the first place.

It is exasperating.

Look, if you can tell me these two statements are false, then good enough.

1. Environment influences lifestyle and culture over time.

2. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Just say these are lies, and let us rest.
Same thing,
You have presented your excuses using your links but once I produce a counter, instead of you to consider it and maybe present an answer, you get overcome with anger 🤬.
Funny chap
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 3:10pm On May 19
raumdeuter:
The left, the party of excuses and finger pointing, Nothing is ever their fault
DeepSight is now losing his temper because I insist that African should be accountable.

He claims that Africa is poor because of fertile land and great climate.
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