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🌌 WEEKLY SERIES — DAY 2

WHY DOES GOD IN RELIGION ACT SO HUMAN?

Let’s ask a question most people were never encouraged to think deeply about:

If God is infinite…
beyond time…
beyond emotion…
beyond human limitation…

👉 why does God in many religious texts behave so much like ancient human rulers?

Think about it honestly.

Religion often describes God as:
👉 jealous
👉 angry
👉 offended
👉 demanding worship
👉 punishing disobedience
👉 favoring certain tribes
👉 ordering violence
👉 requiring sacrifice

Now pause.

🔥 Are these truly divine qualities…
or reflections of ancient human psychology?

---

🌿 PART 1 THE GOD OF ANCIENT SOCIETIES

Ancient civilizations were built around:
👉 kings
👉 empires
👉 tribal loyalty
👉 warfare
👉 patriarchy
👉 obedience to authority

The ruler was feared.
The ruler demanded loyalty.
The ruler punished rebellion.
The ruler rewarded submission.

And when people imagined God…

they often imagined:
🔥 a cosmic version of the same ruler.

A heavenly king.

So naturally:
👉 anger became divine wrath
👉 tribal loyalty became “chosen people”
👉 war became “holy war”
👉 obedience became salvation
👉 punishment became eternal judgment

The psychology of human power structures became projected onto the Divine.

---

🌿 PART 2 THE QUESTION OF JEALOUSY

Many scriptures describe God as:
👉 jealous

But think carefully about that.

Jealousy usually comes from:
👉 insecurity
👉 fear of losing control
👉 emotional attachment
👉 ego identity

So why would an infinite being need:
👉 validation?
👉 praise?
👉 exclusive worship?

Would infinity really feel threatened by human beings praying differently?

Or is jealousy a deeply human emotion later projected onto God by ancient cultures trying to protect tribal identity?

Because tribal societies survived through:
👉 loyalty
👉 unity
👉 obedience to one system

And religion became one of the strongest tools for preserving that unity.

---

🌿 PART 3 BLOOD SACRIFICE AND PUNISHMENT

Now let’s go deeper.

Many religious systems taught:
👉 sacrifice
👉 blood offerings
👉 punishment for sin
👉 divine wrath needing satisfaction

But ask yourself honestly:

🔥 Why would an all-powerful Source require blood to forgive?

Ancient humans practiced sacrifice long before many organized religions formed.

Why?

Because ancient cultures believed:
👉 the gods needed appeasement
👉 blood carried spiritual power
👉 suffering satisfied divine anger

And over time…
those same ancient ideas became embedded inside religious systems.

But does infinite consciousness really operate through vengeance and appeasement?

Or were humans interpreting the mystery of existence through the mindset of their era?

---

🌿 PART 4 FAVORITISM AND TRIBAL GODS

Another difficult question:

Why do many religions present God as:
👉 favoring one tribe?
👉 one nation?
👉 one religion?
👉 one chosen group?

History shows ancient societies were extremely tribal.

Every tribe believed:
👉 “our god protects us”
👉 “our people are chosen”
👉 “our enemies are evil”

And suddenly…
God begins reflecting human tribalism too.

But if Source created all life…

would Source truly:
👉 hate entire populations?
👉 divide humanity into favorites?
👉 condemn billions based on geography and culture?

Or does that sound more like human tribal identity projected onto the heavens?

---

🌿 PART 5 THE BIG QUESTION

This does not mean spirituality is fake.

It means humanity may have mixed:
👉 divine mystery
with
👉 human psychology

And maybe many religious descriptions of God tell us as much about ancient human societies…
as they do about ultimate reality.

Because maybe Source is not:
👉 angry
👉 insecure
👉 tribal
👉 emotionally reactive

Maybe those were human attempts to explain the unknown through the lens of power, fear, survival, and control.

And maybe awakening begins when people stop fearing God as a cosmic ruler…

and start seeking the deeper intelligence behind existence itself.

🔥 Because if God is truly infinite…

why does God in religion behave so much like ancient men?

Drop your thoughts below. Let them come. 🌿

---

📘 Dive deeper into the teachings Yeshua actually taught, not what religion built around him.
Grab Christ Consciousness: The Path Yeshua Walked.
👉 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness

I AM — The Awaken Soul (TAS)
From Conditioning to Consciousness
Question Everything. Discover Truth.

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Theawakensoul:
🌌 WEEKLY SERIES — DAY 2

WHY DOES GOD IN RELIGION ACT SO HUMAN?

Let’s ask a question most people were never encouraged to think deeply about:

If God is infinite…
beyond time…
beyond emotion…
beyond human limitation…

👉 why does God in many religious texts behave so much like ancient human rulers?

Think about it honestly.

Religion often describes God as:
👉 jealous
👉 angry
👉 offended
👉 demanding worship
👉 punishing disobedience
👉 favoring certain tribes
👉 ordering violence
👉 requiring sacrifice

Now pause.

🔥 Are these truly divine qualities…
or reflections of ancient human psychology?

---

🌿 PART 1 THE GOD OF ANCIENT SOCIETIES

Ancient civilizations were built around:
👉 kings
👉 empires
👉 tribal loyalty
👉 warfare
👉 patriarchy
👉 obedience to authority

The ruler was feared.
The ruler demanded loyalty.
The ruler punished rebellion.
The ruler rewarded submission.

And when people imagined God…

they often imagined:
🔥 a cosmic version of the same ruler.

A heavenly king.

So naturally:
👉 anger became divine wrath
👉 tribal loyalty became “chosen people”
👉 war became “holy war”
👉 obedience became salvation
👉 punishment became eternal judgment

The psychology of human power structures became projected onto the Divine.

---

🌿 PART 2 THE QUESTION OF JEALOUSY

Many scriptures describe God as:
👉 jealous

But think carefully about that.

Jealousy usually comes from:
👉 insecurity
👉 fear of losing control
👉 emotional attachment
👉 ego identity

So why would an infinite being need:
👉 validation?
👉 praise?
👉 exclusive worship?

Would infinity really feel threatened by human beings praying differently?

Or is jealousy a deeply human emotion later projected onto God by ancient cultures trying to protect tribal identity?

Because tribal societies survived through:
👉 loyalty
👉 unity
👉 obedience to one system

And religion became one of the strongest tools for preserving that unity.

---

🌿 PART 3 BLOOD SACRIFICE AND PUNISHMENT

Now let’s go deeper.

Many religious systems taught:
👉 sacrifice
👉 blood offerings
👉 punishment for sin
👉 divine wrath needing satisfaction

But ask yourself honestly:

🔥 Why would an all-powerful Source require blood to forgive?

Ancient humans practiced sacrifice long before many organized religions formed.

Why?

Because ancient cultures believed:
👉 the gods needed appeasement
👉 blood carried spiritual power
👉 suffering satisfied divine anger

And over time…
those same ancient ideas became embedded inside religious systems.

But does infinite consciousness really operate through vengeance and appeasement?

Or were humans interpreting the mystery of existence through the mindset of their era?

---

🌿 PART 4 FAVORITISM AND TRIBAL GODS

Another difficult question:

Why do many religions present God as:
👉 favoring one tribe?
👉 one nation?
👉 one religion?
👉 one chosen group?

History shows ancient societies were extremely tribal.

Every tribe believed:
👉 “our god protects us”
👉 “our people are chosen”
👉 “our enemies are evil”

And suddenly…
God begins reflecting human tribalism too.

But if Source created all life…

would Source truly:
👉 hate entire populations?
👉 divide humanity into favorites?
👉 condemn billions based on geography and culture?

Or does that sound more like human tribal identity projected onto the heavens?

---

🌿 PART 5 THE BIG QUESTION

This does not mean spirituality is fake.

It means humanity may have mixed:
👉 divine mystery
with
👉 human psychology

And maybe many religious descriptions of God tell us as much about ancient human societies…
as they do about ultimate reality.

Because maybe Source is not:
👉 angry
👉 insecure
👉 tribal
👉 emotionally reactive

Maybe those were human attempts to explain the unknown through the lens of power, fear, survival, and control.

And maybe awakening begins when people stop fearing God as a cosmic ruler…

and start seeking the deeper intelligence behind existence itself.

🔥 Because if God is truly infinite…

why does God in religion behave so much like ancient men?

Drop your thoughts below. Let them come. 🌿

---

📘 Dive deeper into the teachings Yeshua actually taught, not what religion built around him.
Grab Christ Consciousness: The Path Yeshua Walked.
👉 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness

I AM — The Awaken Soul (TAS)
From Conditioning to Consciousness
Question Everything. Discover Truth.

@highlight
#fypシ゚viralシ
#spiritualawakening #spirituality #TruthUncovered #awakening #fypシ゚viral #fypシ゚ #theawakensoul

Just watch they would come and side their jesus christ of europe.

Theawakensoul:
🌌 WEEKLY SERIES — DAY 2

WHY DOES GOD IN RELIGION ACT SO HUMAN?

Let’s ask a question most people were never encouraged to think deeply about:

If God is infinite…
beyond time…
beyond emotion…
beyond human limitation…

👉 why does God in many religious texts behave so much like ancient human rulers?

Think about it honestly.

Religion often describes God as:
👉 jealous
👉 angry
👉 offended
👉 demanding worship
👉 punishing disobedience
👉 favoring certain tribes
👉 ordering violence
👉 requiring sacrifice

Now pause.

🔥 Are these truly divine qualities…
or reflections of ancient human psychology?

---

🌿 PART 1 THE GOD OF ANCIENT SOCIETIES

Ancient civilizations were built around:
👉 kings
👉 empires
👉 tribal loyalty
👉 warfare
👉 patriarchy
👉 obedience to authority

The ruler was feared.
The ruler demanded loyalty.
The ruler punished rebellion.
The ruler rewarded submission.

And when people imagined God…

they often imagined:
🔥 a cosmic version of the same ruler.

A heavenly king.

So naturally:
👉 anger became divine wrath
👉 tribal loyalty became “chosen people”
👉 war became “holy war”
👉 obedience became salvation
👉 punishment became eternal judgment

The psychology of human power structures became projected onto the Divine.

---

🌿 PART 2 THE QUESTION OF JEALOUSY

Many scriptures describe God as:
👉 jealous

But think carefully about that.

Jealousy usually comes from:
👉 insecurity
👉 fear of losing control
👉 emotional attachment
👉 ego identity

So why would an infinite being need:
👉 validation?
👉 praise?
👉 exclusive worship?

Would infinity really feel threatened by human beings praying differently?

Or is jealousy a deeply human emotion later projected onto God by ancient cultures trying to protect tribal identity?

Because tribal societies survived through:
👉 loyalty
👉 unity
👉 obedience to one system

And religion became one of the strongest tools for preserving that unity.

---

🌿 PART 3 BLOOD SACRIFICE AND PUNISHMENT

Now let’s go deeper.

Many religious systems taught:
👉 sacrifice
👉 blood offerings
👉 punishment for sin
👉 divine wrath needing satisfaction

But ask yourself honestly:

🔥 Why would an all-powerful Source require blood to forgive?

Ancient humans practiced sacrifice long before many organized religions formed.

Why?

Because ancient cultures believed:
👉 the gods needed appeasement
👉 blood carried spiritual power
👉 suffering satisfied divine anger

And over time…
those same ancient ideas became embedded inside religious systems.

But does infinite consciousness really operate through vengeance and appeasement?

Or were humans interpreting the mystery of existence through the mindset of their era?

---

🌿 PART 4 FAVORITISM AND TRIBAL GODS

Another difficult question:

Why do many religions present God as:
👉 favoring one tribe?
👉 one nation?
👉 one religion?
👉 one chosen group?

History shows ancient societies were extremely tribal.

Every tribe believed:
👉 “our god protects us”
👉 “our people are chosen”
👉 “our enemies are evil”

And suddenly…
God begins reflecting human tribalism too.

But if Source created all life…

would Source truly:
👉 hate entire populations?
👉 divide humanity into favorites?
👉 condemn billions based on geography and culture?

Or does that sound more like human tribal identity projected onto the heavens?

---

🌿 PART 5 THE BIG QUESTION

This does not mean spirituality is fake.

It means humanity may have mixed:
👉 divine mystery
with
👉 human psychology

And maybe many religious descriptions of God tell us as much about ancient human societies…
as they do about ultimate reality.

Because maybe Source is not:
👉 angry
👉 insecure
👉 tribal
👉 emotionally reactive

Maybe those were human attempts to explain the unknown through the lens of power, fear, survival, and control.

And maybe awakening begins when people stop fearing God as a cosmic ruler…

and start seeking the deeper intelligence behind existence itself.

🔥 Because if God is truly infinite…

why does God in religion behave so much like ancient men?

Drop your thoughts below. Let them come. 🌿

---

📘 Dive deeper into the teachings Yeshua actually taught, not what religion built around him.
Grab Christ Consciousness: The Path Yeshua Walked.
👉 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness

I AM — The Awaken Soul (TAS)
From Conditioning to Consciousness
Question Everything. Discover Truth.

@highlight
#fypシ゚viralシ
#spiritualawakening #spirituality #TruthUncovered #awakening #fypシ゚viral #fypシ゚ #theawakensoul

You wrote so much stuff but let's start from the beginning, why do you think God should be beyond emotions?
That's describing a robot.

tctrills:
You wrote so much stuff but let's start from the beginning, why do you think God should be beyond emotions?
That's describing a robot.

God is consciousness....the divine consciousness. Not a man or human being.

I have my own questions for him. In a minute

sonmvayina:
God is consciousness....the divine consciousness. Not a man or human being.

I have my own questions for him. In a minute

Man is also a consciousness so what exactly do you mean

U

Theawakensoul:
🌌 WEEKLY SERIES — DAY 2

WHY DOES GOD IN RELIGION ACT SO HUMAN?

Let’s ask a question most people were never encouraged to think deeply about:

If God is infinite…
beyond time…
beyond emotion…
beyond human limitation…

👉 why does God in many religious texts behave so much like ancient human rulers?

Think about it honestly.

Religion often describes God as:
👉 jealous
👉 angry
👉 offended
👉 demanding worship
👉 punishing disobedience
👉 favoring certain tribes
👉 ordering violence
👉 requiring sacrifice

Now pause.

🔥 Are these truly divine qualities…
or reflections of ancient human psychology?

---

🌿 PART 1 THE GOD OF ANCIENT SOCIETIES

Ancient civilizations were built around:
👉 kings
👉 empires
👉 tribal loyalty
👉 warfare
👉 patriarchy
👉 obedience to authority

The ruler was feared.
The ruler demanded loyalty.
The ruler punished rebellion.
The ruler rewarded submission.

And when people imagined God…

they often imagined:
🔥 a cosmic version of the same ruler.

A heavenly king.

So naturally:
👉 anger became divine wrath
👉 tribal loyalty became “chosen people”
👉 war became “holy war”
👉 obedience became salvation
👉 punishment became eternal judgment

The psychology of human power structures became projected onto the Divine.

---

🌿 PART 2 THE QUESTION OF JEALOUSY

Many scriptures describe God as:
👉 jealous

But think carefully about that.

Jealousy usually comes from:
👉 insecurity
👉 fear of losing control
👉 emotional attachment
👉 ego identity

So why would an infinite being need:
👉 validation?
👉 praise?
👉 exclusive worship?

Would infinity really feel threatened by human beings praying differently?

Or is jealousy a deeply human emotion later projected onto God by ancient cultures trying to protect tribal identity?

Because tribal societies survived through:
👉 loyalty
👉 unity
👉 obedience to one system

And religion became one of the strongest tools for preserving that unity.

---

🌿 PART 3 BLOOD SACRIFICE AND PUNISHMENT

Now let’s go deeper.

Many religious systems taught:
👉 sacrifice
👉 blood offerings
👉 punishment for sin
👉 divine wrath needing satisfaction

But ask yourself honestly:

🔥 Why would an all-powerful Source require blood to forgive?

Ancient humans practiced sacrifice long before many organized religions formed.

Why?

Because ancient cultures believed:
👉 the gods needed appeasement
👉 blood carried spiritual power
👉 suffering satisfied divine anger

And over time…
those same ancient ideas became embedded inside religious systems.

But does infinite consciousness really operate through vengeance and appeasement?

Or were humans interpreting the mystery of existence through the mindset of their era?

---

🌿 PART 4 FAVORITISM AND TRIBAL GODS

Another difficult question:

Why do many religions present God as:
👉 favoring one tribe?
👉 one nation?
👉 one religion?
👉 one chosen group?

History shows ancient societies were extremely tribal.

Every tribe believed:
👉 “our god protects us”
👉 “our people are chosen”
👉 “our enemies are evil”

And suddenly…
God begins reflecting human tribalism too.

But if Source created all life…

would Source truly:
👉 hate entire populations?
👉 divide humanity into favorites?
👉 condemn billions based on geography and culture?

Or does that sound more like human tribal identity projected onto the heavens?

---

🌿 PART 5 THE BIG QUESTION

This does not mean spirituality is fake.

It means humanity may have mixed:
👉 divine mystery
with
👉 human psychology

And maybe many religious descriptions of God tell us as much about ancient human societies…
as they do about ultimate reality.

Because maybe Source is not:
👉 angry
👉 insecure
👉 tribal
👉 emotionally reactive

Maybe those were human attempts to explain the unknown through the lens of power, fear, survival, and control.

And maybe awakening begins when people stop fearing God as a cosmic ruler…

and start seeking the deeper intelligence behind existence itself.

🔥 Because if God is truly infinite…

why does God in religion behave so much like ancient men?

Drop your thoughts below. Let them come. 🌿

---

📘 Dive deeper into the teachings Yeshua actually taught, not what religion built around him.
Grab Christ Consciousness: The Path Yeshua Walked.
👉 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness

I AM — The Awaken Soul (TAS)
From Conditioning to Consciousness
Question Everything. Discover Truth.

@highlight
#fypシ゚viralシ
#spiritualawakening #spirituality #TruthUncovered #awakening #fypシ゚viral #fypシ゚ #theawakensoul

Do you know what "the letter killeth" actually means?
This is what you usually get when you look at scriptures with your physical eyes, and it is killing. They were never meant to be interpreted that way. We are expected to view it with our spiritual eyes, the eyes of our mind. Our so called third eyes....
The Torah (which is the heart and soul of the Bible) is about rising our consciousness beyond our ego. The wars is between our higher consciousness vs our Ego.
Abraham slaughtering of the kings represent our defeat of the 7 deadly sins. . The Amalikites represent doubt, etc....The Torah was written by Ezra when the Israelites return home from the Babylonian exile..it is not a historical story but a spiritual manual...


Jesus is supposed to be Marduk but he was never on earth., Marduk is the creator of the heavens and the earth according to the Babylonian mythology he is also the son of Enki. It's all deception. The purest form of evil is deception.
There was never any Jesus who was a son of God and walked the earth.
My overall point is that God is consciousness and the scriptures should not be viewed with our physical eyes.

tctrills:
Man is also a consciousness so what exactly do you mean

So if Jesus existed, he is no different from me and you. Worshipping him is tantamount to idolatry. ....
We all all conscious beings, we are all spiritual beings living within a physical body made from dust.
We are all Gods having a human experience in multiple ways....

I don't know what is hard there that you can't understand

sonmvayina:
So if Jesus existed, he is no different from me and you. Worshipping him is tantamount to idolatry. ....
We all all conscious beings, we are all spiritual beings living within a physical body made from dust.
We are all Gods having a human experience in multiple ways....

I don't know what is hard there that you can't understand

So your point is that we are all Gods hence we shouldn't worship any other God.
I now understand you but I disagree

P

tctrills:
So your point is that we are all Gods hence we shouldn't worship any other God.
I now understand you but I disagree

That is why God only gave us laws to follow so that we will live in peace amongst ourselves. He never said we should worship anything, if he wanted, he would have told us or given us the mode of worship.

Because we are all Gods, you focus too much on the body and forget what is actually inside or living within it.u

sonmvayina:
P

That is why God only gave us laws to follow so that we will live in peace amongst ourselves. He never said we should worship anything, if he wanted, he would have told us or given us the mode of worship.

Because we are all Gods, you focus too much on the body and forget what is actually inside or living within it.u

Anyway, everyone has his own religion. In your religion, your god is not worshipped, he only gave you commandments.
It's ok

tctrills:
Anyway, everyone has his own religion. In your religion, your god is not worshipped, he only gave you commandments.
It's ok

Let me explain to you like you are in primary 6.
God created the heavens and earth and everything that is within it. He saw that everything was good. Then on the last day of creation, he took dust from the earth and molded the statue of a man. He then sent his spirit into it and the statue came to life, made another one and added some judicious features and sent his spirit into it and it also came to life....so God spirit is not living inside the statue. So that spirit can now experience life ...he can enjoy his creation..
That is what each one of us is. We are God's spirit experiencing life in various ways as humans....when our time is up. Our spirit returns to God and becomes one with it and our body is buried and it becomes one with the earth(Ecclesiastes 12:7) so which one needs saving. And you see why I said that death is an illusion. It is just return to default.
So as the human population continues to increase it becomes important for them to live in peace and remind us where we came from hence the Torah, then for those who don't know and don't want to know.....like you. They created religion to control you.

sonmvayina:
Let me explain to you like you are in primary 6.
God created the heavens and earth and everything that is within it. He saw that everything was good. Then on the last day of creation, he took dust from the earth and molded the statue of a man. He then sent his spirit into it and the statue came to life, made another one and added some judicious features and sent his spirit into it and it also came to life....so God spirit is not living inside the statue. So that spirit can now experience life ...he can enjoy his creation..
That is what each one of us is. We are God's spirit experiencing life in various ways as humans....when our time is up. Our spirit returns to God and becomes one with it and our body is buried and it becomes one with the earth(Ecclesiastes 12:7) so which one needs saving. And you see why I said that death is an illusion. It is just return to default.
So as the human population continues to increase it becomes important for them to live in peace and remind us where we came from hence the Torah, then for those who don't know and don't want to know.....like you. They created religion to control you.

As I said, we have different religions. Thanks for explaining yours like I am in primary 1

tctrills:
As I said, we have different religions. Thanks for explaining yours like I am in primary 1

I don't have any religion. Religion is for crowd control.
Spirituality is relationship with the source.
It is aligning with the source. .....stop coming here and tell us about a man that was executed on a cross. The story says he was tried and executed. Does NOT mean anything.

sonmvayina:
I don't have any religion. Religion is for crowd control.
Spirituality is relationship with the source.
It is aligning with the source. .....stop coming here and tell us about a man that was executed on a cross. The story says he was tried and executed. Does NOT mean anything.

So let's call it your opinion not your religion

tctrills:
You wrote so much stuff but let's start from the beginning, why do you think God should be beyond emotions?
That's describing a robot.

That’s actually an important question.

But notice carefully:
there’s a difference between:
👉 having awareness
and
👉 having unstable human emotional reactions.

When I question religious descriptions of God, I’m not saying:
👉 “ultimate reality must be a cold robot.”

I’m asking:
👉 why does an infinite being often behave exactly like ancient human rulers?

Because emotions like:
👉 jealousy
👉 rage
👉 vengeance
👉 insecurity
👉 tribal favoritism

usually emerge from:
👉 limitation
👉 ego identity
👉 fear of loss
👉 psychological attachment

For example:
Jealousy normally happens when someone feels:
👉 threatened
👉 possessive
👉 insecure
👉 afraid of losing control

So the question becomes:
Why would an infinite, self-sufficient Source need validation, worship, or exclusive loyalty?

That’s not calling God a robot.
That’s questioning whether ancient humans projected their own psychology onto the Divine.

And honestly, many mystics across traditions already described the Divine very differently.

Not as emotionally unstable…
but as:
👉 infinite awareness
👉 unconditional presence
👉 intelligence
👉 love beyond ego
👉 stillness behind existence

Even in spirituality, there’s a difference between:
👉 reactive emotion
and
👉 conscious compassion.

A wise person can love deeply without:
👉 insecurity
👉 possessiveness
👉 violent rage
👉 or tribal hatred

So why assume infinite consciousness would operate at a LOWER level than evolved human consciousness?

That’s the deeper question.

And maybe many religious descriptions of God tell us more about:
👉 ancient societies
👉 ancient fears
👉 ancient power structures

than about the true nature of ultimate reality itself.

I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING

Theawakensoul:
That’s actually an important question.

But notice carefully:
there’s a difference between:
👉 having awareness
and
👉 having unstable human emotional reactions.

When I question religious descriptions of God, I’m not saying:
👉 “ultimate reality must be a cold robot.”

I’m asking:
👉 why does an infinite being often behave exactly like ancient human rulers?

Because emotions like:
👉 jealousy
👉 rage
👉 vengeance
👉 insecurity
👉 tribal favoritism

usually emerge from:
👉 limitation
👉 ego identity
👉 fear of loss
👉 psychological attachment

For example:
Jealousy normally happens when someone feels:
👉 threatened
👉 possessive
👉 insecure
👉 afraid of losing control

So the question becomes:
Why would an infinite, self-sufficient Source need validation, worship, or exclusive loyalty?

That’s not calling God a robot.
That’s questioning whether ancient humans projected their own psychology onto the Divine.

And honestly, many mystics across traditions already described the Divine very differently.

Not as emotionally unstable…
but as:
👉 infinite awareness
👉 unconditional presence
👉 intelligence
👉 love beyond ego
👉 stillness behind existence

Even in spirituality, there’s a difference between:
👉 reactive emotion
and
👉 conscious compassion.

A wise person can love deeply without:
👉 insecurity
👉 possessiveness
👉 violent rage
👉 or tribal hatred

So why assume infinite consciousness would operate at a LOWER level than evolved human consciousness?

That’s the deeper question.

And maybe many religious descriptions of God tell us more about:
👉 ancient societies
👉 ancient fears
👉 ancient power structures

than about the true nature of ultimate reality itself.

I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING

I love honestly in discussions.
First you need to admit that you make changes to your phrase.
Initially, you claimed that God is beyond emotions.
Do you still hold to that or have you changed on that?

sonmvayina:
U

Do you know what "the letter killeth" actually means?
This is what you usually get when you look at scriptures with your physical eyes, and it is killing. They were never meant to be interpreted that way. We are expected to view it with our spiritual eyes, the eyes of our mind. Our so called third eyes....
The Torah (which is the heart and soul of the Bible) is about rising our consciousness beyond our ego. The wars is between our higher consciousness vs our Ego.
Abraham slaughtering of the kings represent our defeat of the 7 deadly sins. . The Amalikites represent doubt, etc....The Torah was written by Ezra when the Israelites return home from the Babylonian exile..it is not a historical story but a spiritual manual...


Jesus is supposed to be Marduk but he was never on earth., Marduk is the creator of the heavens and the earth according to the Babylonian mythology he is also the son of Enki. It's all deception. The purest form of evil is deception.
There was never any Jesus who was a son of God and walked the earth.
My overall point is that God is consciousness and the scriptures should not be viewed with our physical eyes.

You actually raised some interesting points, especially about symbolism, consciousness, and spiritual interpretation.

And I agree with part of what you’re saying:
👉 many spiritual texts DO contain symbolic and psychological layers
👉 inner transformation is a real part of spirituality
👉 and reading everything only literally can miss deeper meanings

For example:
👉 ego
👉 fear
👉 desire
👉 awakening
👉 consciousness

can absolutely be explored through spiritual stories and metaphors.

Even many mystics throughout history interpreted scripture symbolically.

But I think you then jumped from:
👉 “scriptures contain symbolism”
to
👉 “therefore none of it has historical roots.”

And that’s a very different claim.

Because historically, there is actually strong evidence that:
👉 a Jewish teacher named Yeshua which his name later fabricated to Jesus existed
👉 he lived in 1st-century Judea
👉 he was crucified under Roman authority

Even many non-Christian historians and secular scholars accept that.

Now whether later theology transformed him into something else…
THAT is where debate begins.

And honestly, I partially agree there too.

Because over centuries:
👉 mythology
👉 empire politics
👉 theology
👉 symbolism
👉 and institutional religion
all became layered onto the original movement.

But saying:
👉 “Jesus is literally Marduk”
or
👉 “Jesus never existed at all”

goes beyond what mainstream historical evidence currently supports.

Now about “the letter killeth.”

I think that verse is often misunderstood.

Paul was speaking about:
👉 rigid legalism without spiritual transformation

not saying:
👉 “history doesn’t matter”
or
👉 “everything is only allegory.”

Because once EVERYTHING becomes symbolic only…
people can make texts mean absolutely anything.

And then truth becomes impossible to ground.

I do agree with your deeper point though:

🔥 consciousness matters.

Spirituality without inner awakening easily becomes:
👉 ritual without transformation
👉 religion without wisdom
👉 belief without awareness

And many people do read sacred texts only externally while missing:
👉 self-knowledge
👉 inner growth
👉 compassion
👉 consciousness
👉 transformation

So I think balance is important.

Not:
👉 blind literalism

But also not:
👉 dismissing all history entirely.

Maybe sacred texts contain BOTH:
👉 historical layers
AND
👉 symbolic psychological meaning.

And perhaps the deeper goal is not worshipping stories…
but understanding what they were trying to awaken within human consciousness.

I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING

Python25to30:
Just watch they would come and side their jesus christ of europe.

😂 I get what you mean.

But honestly, this conversation is bigger than:
👉 “European Jesus”
vs
👉 “Middle Eastern Jesus.”

Because the deeper issue is not race alone.

The real question is:
👉 how religion, empire, culture, and politics shaped the image people now worship.

Historically, Yeshua was:
👉 a Jewish man from the Middle East
👉 living under Roman occupation
👉 speaking Aramaic
👉 teaching within a Jewish cultural context

So yes, over centuries, different cultures reimagined him through their own image:
👉 European art made him European
👉 Ethiopian art made him Ethiopian
👉 Asian depictions made him Asian

That’s actually normal human psychology.

People naturally recreate spiritual figures through their own culture and identity.

But the deeper point is this:
many people became more attached to the IMAGE than the MESSAGE.

The conversation should not stop at:
👉 “Was Jesus white?”

The bigger question is:
👉 “Did institutional religion reshape the original teachings themselves?”

Because changing appearance is one thing.

Changing:
👉 meaning
👉 doctrine
👉 spirituality
👉 consciousness
👉 and the message itself

is much deeper.

And honestly, I think too many people defend inherited religious images emotionally…
without ever investigating:
👉 history
👉 translation
👉 politics
👉 theology
👉 or how these systems evolved.

That’s why questioning matters.

Not to hate religion.
Not to mock believers.

But to separate:
👉 historical reality
from
👉 centuries of cultural construction.

I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING

Theawakensoul:
You actually raised some interesting points, especially about symbolism, consciousness, and spiritual interpretation.

And I agree with part of what you’re saying:
👉 many spiritual texts DO contain symbolic and psychological layers
👉 inner transformation is a real part of spirituality
👉 and reading everything only literally can miss deeper meanings

For example:
👉 ego
👉 fear
👉 desire
👉 awakening
👉 consciousness

can absolutely be explored through spiritual stories and metaphors.

Even many mystics throughout history interpreted scripture symbolically.

But I think you then jumped from:
👉 “scriptures contain symbolism”
to
👉 “therefore none of it has historical roots.”

And that’s a very different claim.

Because historically, there is actually strong evidence that:
👉 a Jewish teacher named Yeshua which his name later fabricated to Jesus existed
👉 he lived in 1st-century Judea
👉 he was crucified under Roman authority

Even many non-Christian historians and secular scholars accept that.

Now whether later theology transformed him into something else…
THAT is where debate begins.

And honestly, I partially agree there too.

Because over centuries:
👉 mythology
👉 empire politics
👉 theology
👉 symbolism
👉 and institutional religion
all became layered onto the original movement.

But saying:
👉 “Jesus is literally Marduk”
or
👉 “Jesus never existed at all”

goes beyond what mainstream historical evidence currently supports.

Now about “the letter killeth.”

I think that verse is often misunderstood.

Paul was speaking about:
👉 rigid legalism without spiritual transformation

not saying:
👉 “history doesn’t matter”
or
👉 “everything is only allegory.”

Because once EVERYTHING becomes symbolic only…
people can make texts mean absolutely anything.

And then truth becomes impossible to ground.

I do agree with your deeper point though:

🔥 consciousness matters.

Spirituality without inner awakening easily becomes:
👉 ritual without transformation
👉 religion without wisdom
👉 belief without awareness

And many people do read sacred texts only externally while missing:
👉 self-knowledge
👉 inner growth
👉 compassion
👉 consciousness
👉 transformation

So I think balance is important.

Not:
👉 blind literalism

But also not:
👉 dismissing all history entirely.

Maybe sacred texts contain BOTH:
👉 historical layers
AND
👉 symbolic psychological meaning.

And perhaps the deeper goal is not worshipping stories…
but understanding what they were trying to awaken within human consciousness.

I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING

Do you think Jesus is based on a real person, that's a pretty big assertion you made, please can you go ahead and tell me one person who actually saw him....


I am waiting.

Every other thing you said, I can take....

Thanks.

tctrills:
So let's call it your opinion not your religion

Lol, I drop facts and knowledge, not beliefs, the fact that you are blind to see them does not negate it..

Stop making claims you can't prove.

sonmvayina:
Lol, it is fats, the fact that you are blind to them does not negate that fact.

Stop making claims you can't prove.

I don't even know what you are saying so I don't know what to add.
Please read what you wrote and edit so that you can be understood

tctrills:
I don't even know what you are saying so I don't know what to add.
Please read what you wrote and edit so that you can be understood

Edited now, sorry

sonmvayina:
Lol, I drop facts and knowledge, not beliefs, the fact that you are blind to see them does not negate it..

Stop making claims you can't prove.

So just because you call something facts, the rest of the world should accept it?
I have discussed with you more than once and each you are not able to prove your theory.
Yesterday you said God doesn't want us to worship Him because we are also God yet you quote from the old testament a book where God requested to be worshiped.

sonmvayina:
Do you think Jesus is based on a real person, that's a pretty big assertion you made, please can you go ahead and tell me one person who actually saw him....


I am waiting.

Every other thing you said, I can take....

Thanks.

That’s actually a fair question.

But notice something carefully:
Historical existence is not proven by:
👉 someone alive today physically saw the person.

If that were the standard, we would have to deny the existence of:
👉 Socrates
👉 Alexander the Great
👉 Julius Caesar
👉 Hannibal
👉 even many ancient African rulers

because none of us alive today saw them either.

History works differently.

Historians examine:
👉 written sources
👉 multiple references
👉 cultural impact
👉 archaeological context
👉 external mentions
👉 timeline consistency

And based on that, the majority of secular historians, including non-Christians and atheists, conclude that:
👉 a Jewish teacher named Yeshua likely existed in 1st-century Judea
👉 he gathered followers
👉 and was crucified under Roman authority.

Now…
does that automatically prove every miracle claim or church doctrine?

No.

And that’s where many debates begin.

Because there’s a difference between:
👉 a historical figure existing
and
👉 later theology built around that figure.

For example:
a man named Siddhartha likely existed historically.

That does not automatically prove every supernatural claim within Buddhism.

Same principle here.

My position is simply:
👉 there is stronger historical evidence for a historical Yeshua than for the claim that he was entirely invented out of nowhere.

But I also agree that:
👉 mythology
👉 symbolism
👉 theology
👉 empire politics
👉 and centuries of interpretation
were later layered onto the movement.

So I try to separate:
👉 the possible historical teacher
from
👉 the institutional religious construct built afterward.

That balance matters.

Because once discussions become:
👉 “everything is literal”
or
👉 “nothing existed at all”

people usually stop investigating carefully and move into extremes.

I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL (TAS)
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING

tctrills:
I love honestly in discussions.
First you need to admit that you make changes to your phrase.
Initially, you claimed that God is beyond emotions.
Do you still hold to that or have you changed on that?

Fair observation.

And honestly, yes, my wording became more refined as the discussion went deeper.

Initially, I spoke very broadly by saying:
👉 “God is beyond emotions.”

But what I was really trying to point toward is this:
👉 ultimate reality may be beyond reactive, ego-based human emotions.

There’s an important difference there.

Because when most people hear “emotion,” they immediately think of:
👉 jealousy
👉 insecurity
👉 possessiveness
👉 rage
👉 vengeance
👉 emotional instability

And my question was:
why would an infinite, self-sufficient Source operate through emotions that in humans usually arise from limitation, fear, ego, or attachment?

That’s different from saying:
👉 “ultimate reality is cold like a robot.”

In fact, many mystics describe the Divine as containing:
👉 compassion
👉 love
👉 peace
👉 intelligence
👉 presence

But not in the reactive psychological way humans often experience emotions.

For example:
a deeply conscious person may express love:
👉 without possessiveness
👉 without insecurity
👉 without violent rage
👉 without tribal hatred

So the refinement I made is this:
I no longer think the better question is:
👉 Does Source have emotions?

But rather:
👉 Are the emotions attributed to God in many religious texts reflections of infinite consciousness… or reflections of ancient human psychology projected onto the Divine?

That’s the deeper inquiry I’m exploring.

And honestly, I think discussions become healthier when people are free to refine ideas instead of pretending they never evolved their thinking.

I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL (TAS)
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING 🌿

tctrills:
So just because you call something facts, the rest of the world should accept it?
I have discussed with you more than once and each you are not able to prove your theory.
Yesterday you said God doesn't want us to worship Him because we are also God yet you quote from the old testament a book where God requested to be worshiped.

Please can you tell me which book of the Tanakh and how he said we should do it....show me where he gave the Jews the more of worship.

I am waiting

Theawakensoul:

Historians examine:
👉 written sources
👉 multiple references
👉 cultural impact
👉 archaeological context
👉 external mentions
👉 timeline consistency

And based on that, the majority of secular historians, including non-Christians and atheists, conclude that:
👉 a Jewish teacher named Yeshua likely existed in 1st-century Judea
👉 he gathered followers
👉 and was crucified under Roman authority.

Now…
does that automatically prove every miracle claim or church doctrine?

No.

And that’s where many debates begin.

Because there’s a difference between:
👉 a historical figure existing
and
👉 later theology built around that figure.

Jesus failed in all those criterias, in all sincerity. Let's not over flog it

sonmvayina:
Jesus failed in all those criterias, in all sincerity. Let's not over flog it

I understand your skepticism honestly.

And to be fair, skepticism is healthy in historical discussions.

But I think saying Yeshua “failed all those criteria” may be overstating it a bit.

Because even many secular historians who reject:
👉 miracles
👉 divinity
👉 resurrection claims

still conclude that:
👉 a historical Jewish teacher likely existed behind the movement.

Not because of church doctrine…
but because of cumulative historical indicators.

For example:
👉 multiple early sources discuss him
👉 Paul’s letters appeared relatively early
👉 Roman historians like Tacitus referenced the movement
👉 Josephus mentioned Jesus-related traditions
👉 the movement emerged very rapidly in a specific historical setting
👉 crucifixion under Roman authority fits known Roman practices in Judea

Now of course:
👉 sources are debated
👉 later theology influenced narratives
👉 contradictions exist
👉 and mythologizing likely happened over time

I agree with all of that.

But most historians still separate:
👉 “Was every supernatural claim true?”
from
👉 “Did a historical figure likely exist?”

Those are different questions.

For example:
historians may accept that:
👉 Siddhartha Buddha existed historically
without accepting every miracle story attached to Buddhism.

Same principle here.

So my point is not:
👉 “Christianity must therefore be true.”

My point is simply:
👉 complete mythicism (“Jesus never existed at all”) is still a minority position among mainstream historians today.

That doesn’t end the conversation.
It actually begins a more nuanced one.

Because the really fascinating discussion is:
👉 how a possible historical teacher became transformed over centuries into institutional Christianity as we know it today.

That’s where history, theology, politics, mythology, and empire all start intersecting.

I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL (TAS)
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING