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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:28pm On May 20 |
DeepSight:My problem is with you is that you bring up history, climate, and colonialism mostly to explain failure away from internal responsibility. But when I bring up greed, corruption, tribalism, poor leadership, disunity, and destructive culture, suddenly you say, greed is common to humanity. Of course greed is common to humanity. That is exactly why strong institutions, accountability, values, and leadership matter. Saying greed is common does not answer why some societies control it better than others, while others allow it to destroy public institutions. And this your Trump deflection don tire person. If Trump is corrupt, condemn him. I that's your shtick, condemning corruption anywhere no problem. But Trump does not explain Emefiele. Trump does not explain African leaders stealing the oil money. Trump does not explain tribal voting. Trump does not explain why Nigeria with massive resources still cannot provide basic electricity, roads, security, or clean governance. So yes, there are many factors. But you cannot list external factors forever and then become offended when internal failures are added to the list. Even your external factors are outdated. Colonialism helped us in many ways. My argument is not education alone does not fix everything because I think you named only one factor. My argument is that education, history, colonialism, and climate still do not remove responsibility from people, leaders, cultures, and institutions today. Why can't you understand this basic thing? |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:29pm On May 20 |
cococandy:I will respond with time later. I am a little busy now. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:43pm On May 20 |
bemeruca:All you need to understand is no one says leaders responsibility goes away. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 4:44pm On May 20 |
raumdeuter:Answer the question first. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TV01(m): 4:50pm On May 20 |
bemeruca:Realisation sets in. DeepSight does not answer questions , explain or go granular. A "prefered" hypothesis is put together, inference - no matter how skewed - is drawn and stuck too. Counters and interlocutors are challenged in 2 main ways; derided as not scholarly or mischaracterised to claim responses are extreme (introducing words like "savage", "barbaric", and mis-ascribing positions like "black people have never achieved anything good ever". There is no meaningful debate to be had. Not sure debate is what is sought - more like agreement or validation. What will Nigeria et al (most African, Arab and Asian people groups) do to shift their cultural milieu to enable full sustainable modern societies - that's all. Man traduces his own treaty, taps out of his own challenge .TV |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 4:58pm On May 20 |
IjeBos:It was a demonstration that turn violent. Till date no one was charged for trying to stop the transfer of power. These charges where only made on TV not in the court so clearly my boy you are misinformed. But I understand you are unable to separate media sentiments with the reality of the case. As one who claims to know it US as the back of his hand, it's funny you don't know that the Biden DOJ never prosecuted anyone for trying to overthrow the government so unless you know something the FDI doesn't, you are spewing conspiracy theories January 6th was only an insurrection on TV not in the court house.You are the US experts but you don't know [color=#990000][/color] |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 5:00pm On May 20 |
[quote author=GracieX3 post=139468704][/quote]Lol The corruption calculator. How many percent corrupt is Biden and Hillary Clinton? |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 5:03pm On May 20 |
raumdeuter:Deepsight begins every debate with me firing with his best points. Then I reply him and it's all over. He begins to swear and call for backup. Its the same every day. I look forward to it. The boy is quite unstable especially when presented with superior argument |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:13pm On May 20 |
tctrills: Open mouth stick foot in. This is the reason I don't engage with you and your ilk - you're too uneducated to know how uneducated you really are. WASHINGTON (AP) — Oath Keepers extremist group founder Stewart Rhodes was sentenced Thursday to 18 years in prison for orchestrating a weekslong plot that culminated in his followers attacking the U.S. Capitol in a bid to keep President Joe Biden out of the White House after winning the 2020 election.Seditious conspiracy If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States , or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 5:33pm On May 20 |
TV01:Please don't be disingenuous. I did not misascribe anything to you. You specifically demanded that I point to any progress made by black Africans. Not only does that infer clearly that you don't believe there are any, but you also dismissed the progress on education and economics I pointed to. You went further to answer that you don't envisage black Africans achieving anything in the next one hundred years. You said very clearly that they would stagnate or regress. Indeed you have more than hinted that such regression will be to something primitive (the "Kraal" ). What can anyone deduce from this. No one needs to interpret this. It is clear what you are saying, namely that you don't believe blacks have ever achieved anything or ever will. Not to mention your jibe that there must be a Rene before a sance, basically saying that there cannot be an African Renaissance since there was nothing previously. You have also said verbatim that you have no problem using the word "inferior." So please if nothing else, at least be honest and bold enough to own what you have said. The fact that what you have said is extremist, self hating and shameful is not my handiwork. It is yours. And excuse me, I did not breach the deal. Show me where. I for example said that SA blacks are not barbaric and that was somehow supposed to be an insult to you? And for Pete's sake, if you say that blacks have never achieved anything and never will, how is it wrong for me to say that that's clearly a racist position. My deal with you was not to point out such things. I just can't see what there is to discuss further when you are adamant that blacks have never and will never achieve anything. Please what on earth can I argue further from such a point of view, you tell me? It's an absurd extreme. Bemeruca, if you agree with TV01 that black Africans have never achieved anything and never will, say so. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:27pm On May 20 |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:09pm On May 20 |
Raul Castro indicted on murder of four Americans. His goose is cooked. Another Maduro raid possible . Lest you forget ..Obama went to Cuba in 2014 to make peace with him .He went on behalf of America. basilico: |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:12pm On May 20 |
Senator John Cornyn helped execute the 2020 coup.
He has impeded the VoterID Act. Ken Paxton was already more popular than him ,with Trump's endorsement, Cornyn political career is over. FAFO. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:22pm On May 20 |
DeepSight:You might want to consider how African leaders go to IMF to beg for aid, a whole entourage that books into the most expensive hotel . Or how the host IMF / World Bank meetings in their office boardrooms. 50 foot mahogany desk with marching with wood panels, executive leather seats , 20 tea girls . Begging for aid while displaying unimaginable opulence. That had nothing to do with climate , civil rights, etc. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TV01(m): 7:28pm On May 20 |
Zero questions addressed ![]() What will Nigeria et al (most African, Arab and Asian people groups) do to shift their cultural milieu to enable full sustainable modern societies - that's all. TV DeepSight: |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 7:30pm On May 20 |
TV01:I am not inclined to engage this question because given that you believe it's impossible, it will be a waste of time. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 7:33pm On May 20 |
basilico:Oh yeah, that's horrible. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:35pm On May 20 |
Trump has 99% approval in Israel. He might go there and run for PM.
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:42pm On May 20 |
A young black man who was imprisoned but granted clemency by Trump has completed his degree program
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 7:47pm On May 20 |
Tall ask DeepSight: |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 7:48pm On May 20 |
Looks like the Ballroom is out again.
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 8:29pm On May 20 |
Am not claiming to be morally perfect. Nobody is. The point is not that I personally have never made a selfish decision. The point is that societies collapse when selfishness, greed, corruption, tribalism, and lack of accountability become normalized at leadership and cultural levels. Supporting a politician or political party does not mean endorsing every bad thing done by that politician or party. If Trump, Biden, Tinubu, Buhari, Obama, or anyone else acts corruptly, criticize it. I have no wahala with that. But that still does not answer the point about African leadership, African institutions, black communities, corruption, bad choices, and destructive culture. This is not moral grandstanding against Africans or AA. It is criticism of destructive behavior and failed leadership wherever it exists. If people can criticize white racism, Trump supporters, colonialism, slavery, capitalism, or British history, then they should also be able to criticize black communities, African leaders, tribalism, corruption, fatherlessness, crime, or bad culture without being accused of hatred. My point is still that education matters, history matters, racism matters, colonialism matters, institutions matter. But internal choices also matter. Leadership matters. Culture matters. Accountability matters. Family structure matters. Greed and selfishness matter. If we are serious people, we should be able to discuss all of it without running to or deflecting to you support Trump almost always like Deepsight, bayelsaowei and GracieX3. cococandy: |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 8:37pm On May 20 |
bemeruca:+ This is scientifically impossible. It is also a signal of lack of intelligence that you can claim this. Supporting a politician or political party does not mean endorsing every bad thing done by that politician or party.+ Name one thing you have criticized Trump over. A serious thing. . If people can criticize white racism, Trump supporters, colonialism, slavery, capitalism, or British history, then they should also be able to criticize black communities, African leaders, tribalism, corruption, fatherlessness, crime, or bad culture without being accused of hatred.+ Name one criticism you have ever levelled at any white communities/ societies. My point is still that education matters, history matters, racism matters, colonialism matters, institutions matter.+ Retract this hideous lie immediately. You have been here shouting about how these things do not matter or even do not exist. You have laughed off history, you have played down the relevance of education, you have denied every allegation of the existence of any racism at all, you have denied that colonialism has had any role to play. Stop trying to change the script, this is hideous dishonesty. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:31pm On May 20 |
Almost like we warned them Jordan Hayes: |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:37pm On May 20 |
Are you seeing what I’m seeing? All of a sudden the things he calls excuses now matter? Now history and colonialism matters? It hasn’t even been two pages back when he literally said they were excuses. I can’t with them. It’s exhausting DeepSight: |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 9:41pm On May 20 |
cococandy:I could not believe what I was reading! |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:43pm On May 20 |
“I’m shocked”. Said nobody A Florida man who previously ran a ministry that aimed to "cure" gay people has been arrested for soliciting a minor, deputies say. https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/florida-man-behind-defunct-conversion-therapy-ministry-tried-to-meet-teen-boy-for-sex-deputies-say/
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:47pm On May 20 |
DeepSight:That how conversations with conservatives usually go. They obfuscate. Contradict themselves. Lie. Say you claimed what you didn’t claim and try to get you to defend a position you never held. They avoid giving direct answers. Gaslight. Waste your time And eventually go back to square one. And when you decide not to engage them to avoid the inevitable ensuing unpleasant, they’ll say you can’t stand differences in opinion. It’s never been worth it. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 9:56pm On May 20 |
DeepSight:AI wrote the post (the argument style is similar in all the posts AI writes for him), it sounded good(educated) to him but he didn't fully understand it. AI is a good tool, but you can't let it do the work for you. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 10:04pm On May 20 |
IjeBos:Perhaps that explains it. I must confess I have noticed some strangeness in some of his posts, like it was a different person |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 10:09pm On May 20 |
DeepSight:Definitely AI. I won't give it away but go over some of the posts and you can tell the structure of the arguments of the AI are similar and remarkably different than the posts he doesn't use AI to write. Also, the grammar is noticeable cleaner, more complex and without a lot of errors. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 10:11pm On May 20 |
I am so lost at to what is going in the US and what the US is doing. What legal framework are we using to invade the countries? He said the US will drive out "foreign encroachment". Huh? He must have meant "[other] foreign encroachment".
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