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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:28pm On May 20
DeepSight:
Why do you say "education alone?" What is wrong with you? Why do you try to isolate each factor we point out? No matter what we say, you try to pretend we are saying that is the only cause. How many times do I have to shout that there are myriad interlocking factors?

If I talk about history, you will say its in the past. If I talk about climate you will say that is long story. If I talk about colonization you will say I am blaming whites. If I talk about time, you will say laziness. And yet you dare talk about greed, the same greed that is common to humanity and which right nw is on lavish open display with Trump without an iota of condemnation from you and tctrills and co.

No one ever isolated one factor alone and its madness to keep saying "its not this alone, its not that alone" when we all agree its many things.
My problem is with you is that you bring up history, climate, and colonialism mostly to explain failure away from internal responsibility.

But when I bring up greed, corruption, tribalism, poor leadership, disunity, and destructive culture, suddenly you say, greed is common to humanity. Of course greed is common to humanity.

That is exactly why strong institutions, accountability, values, and leadership matter.

Saying greed is common does not answer why some societies control it better than others, while others allow it to destroy public institutions.

And this your Trump deflection don tire person. If Trump is corrupt, condemn him. I that's your shtick, condemning corruption anywhere no problem.

But Trump does not explain Emefiele. Trump does not explain African leaders stealing the oil money.

Trump does not explain tribal voting. Trump does not explain why Nigeria with massive resources still cannot provide basic electricity, roads, security, or clean governance.

So yes, there are many factors. But you cannot list external factors forever and then become offended when internal failures are added to the list. Even your external factors are outdated. Colonialism helped us in many ways.

My argument is not education alone does not fix everything because I think you named only one factor.

My argument is that education, history, colonialism, and climate still do not remove responsibility from people, leaders, cultures, and institutions today.

Why can't you understand this basic thing?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:29pm On May 20
cococandy:
You haven’t said a bad thing in this write up. I’ll give you that.


But it seems quite hypocritical given you’re rooting for the people who are making the terrible choices you speak of.

And you yourself can’t brag that you do the right thing when personal interest is at stake. That’s why it’s difficult to take the moral grandstanding you guys perform against African Americans seriously.
I will respond with time later. I am a little busy now.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:43pm On May 20
bemeruca:
My problem is with you is that you bring up history, climate, and colonialism mostly to explain failure away from internal responsibility.

But when I bring up greed, corruption, tribalism, poor leadership, disunity, and destructive culture, suddenly you say, greed is common to humanity. Of course greed is common to humanity.

That is exactly why strong institutions, accountability, values, and leadership matter.

Saying greed is common does not answer why some societies control it better than others, while others allow it to destroy public institutions.

And this your Trump deflection don tire person. If Trump is corrupt, condemn him. I that's your shtick, condemning corruption anywhere no problem.

But Trump does not explain Emefiele. Trump does not explain African leaders stealing the oil money.

Trump does not explain tribal voting. Trump does not explain why Nigeria with massive resources still cannot provide basic electricity, roads, security, or clean governance.

So yes, there are many factors. But you cannot list external factors forever and then become offended when internal failures are added to the list. Even your external factors are outdated. Colonialism helped us in many ways.

My argument is not education alone does not fix everything because I think you named only one factor.

My argument is that education, history, colonialism, and climate still do not remove responsibility from people, leaders, cultures, and institutions today.

Why can't you understand this basic thing?
All you need to understand is no one says leaders responsibility goes away.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 4:44pm On May 20
raumdeuter:
What percentage voted for him
Answer the question first.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TV01(m): 4:50pm On May 20
bemeruca:
My problem is with you is that you bring up history, climate, and colonialism mostly to explain failure away from internal responsibility.

But when I bring up greed, corruption, tribalism, poor leadership, disunity, and destructive culture, suddenly you say, greed is common to humanity. Of course greed is common to humanity.

That is exactly why strong institutions, accountability, values, and leadership matter.

Saying greed is common does not answer why some societies control it better than others, while others allow it to destroy public institutions.

And this your Trump deflection don tire person. If Trump is corrupt, condemn him. I that's your shtick, condemning corruption anywhere no problem.

But Trump does not explain Emefiele. Trump does not explain African leaders stealing the oil money.

Trump does not explain tribal voting. Trump does not explain why Nigeria with massive resources still cannot provide basic electricity, roads, security, or clean governance.

So yes, there are many factors. But you cannot list external factors forever and then become offended when internal failures are added to the list. Even your external factors are outdated. Colonialism helped us in many ways.

My argument is not education alone does not fix everything because I think you named only one factor.

My argument is that education, history, colonialism, and climate still do not remove responsibility from people, leaders, cultures, and institutions today.

Why can't you understand this basic thing?
Realisation sets in. DeepSight does not answer questions , explain or go granular. A "prefered" hypothesis is put together, inference - no matter how skewed - is drawn and stuck too.

Counters and interlocutors are challenged in 2 main ways; derided as not scholarly or mischaracterised to claim responses are extreme (introducing words like "savage", "barbaric", and mis-ascribing positions like "black people have never achieved anything good ever".

There is no meaningful debate to be had. Not sure debate is what is sought - more like agreement or validation.

What will Nigeria et al (most African, Arab and Asian people groups) do to shift their cultural milieu to enable full sustainable modern societies - that's all.

Man traduces his own treaty, taps out of his own challenge undecided.


TV
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 4:58pm On May 20
IjeBos:
Riots/Protest in states around the country = Storming the seat of the US government to stop the transfer of power that has been peaceful for ~200 years and kill Senators, House Members and the Vice President.
It was a demonstration that turn violent. Till date no one was charged for trying to stop the transfer of power.
These charges where only made on TV not in the court so clearly my boy you are misinformed.
But I understand you are unable to separate media sentiments with the reality of the case.

As one who claims to know it US as the back of his hand, it's funny you don't know that the Biden DOJ never prosecuted anyone for trying to overthrow the government so unless you know something the FDI doesn't, you are spewing conspiracy theories

January 6th was only an insurrection on TV not in the court house.You are the US experts but you don't know [color=#990000][/color]
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 5:00pm On May 20
[quote author=GracieX3 post=139468704][/quote]Lol
The corruption calculator.
How many percent corrupt is Biden and Hillary Clinton?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 5:03pm On May 20
raumdeuter:
The problem is they are heavy on emotions and when you challenge their argument the next thing is to throw a tantrum and insult
Deepsight begins every debate with me firing with his best points. Then I reply him and it's all over. He begins to swear and call for backup.
Its the same every day.
I look forward to it. The boy is quite unstable especially when presented with superior argument
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:13pm On May 20
tctrills:
It was a demonstration that turn violent. Till date no one was charged for trying to stop the transfer of power.
These charges where only made on TV not in the court so clearly my boy you are misinformed.
But I understand you are unable to separate media sentiments with the reality of the case.

As one who claims to know it US as the back of his hand, it's funny you don't know that the Biden DOJ never prosecuted anyone for trying to overthrow the government so unless you know something the FDI doesn't, you are spewing conspiracy theories

January 6th was only an insurrection on TV not in the court house.You are the US experts but you don't know [color=#990000][/color]


Open mouth stick foot in.
This is the reason I don't engage with you and your ilk - you're too uneducated to know how uneducated you really are.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Oath Keepers extremist group founder Stewart Rhodes was sentenced Thursday to 18 years in prison for orchestrating a weekslong plot that culminated in his followers attacking the U.S. Capitol in a bid to keep President Joe Biden out of the White House after winning the 2020 election.

Rhodes, 58, is the first person convicted of seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack to receive his punishment, and his sentence is the longest handed down so far in the hundreds of Capitol riot cases.

It's another milestone for the Justice Department's sprawling Jan. 6 investigation, which has led to seditious conspiracy convictions against the top leaders of two far-right extremist groups authorities say came to Washington prepared to fight to keep President Donald Trump in power at all costs.

In a first for a Jan. 6 case, the judge agreed with the Justice Department that Rhodes' actions should be punished as "terrorism," which increases the recommended sentence under federal guidelines. That decision could foreshadow lengthy sentences down the road for other far-right extremists, including former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio, who have also been convicted of the rarely used charge.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oath-keepers-founder-sentenced-to-18-years-for-seditious-conspiracy-in-jan-6-capitol-attack
Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States , or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384#:~:text=If%20two%20or%20more%20persons,force%20to%20prevent%2C%20hinder%2C%20or

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 5:33pm On May 20
TV01:
Realisation sets in. DeepSight does not answer questions , explain or go granular. A "prefered" hypothesis is put together, inference - no matter how skewed - is drawn and stuck too.

Counters and interlocutors are challenged in 2 main ways; derided as not scholarly or mischaracterised to claim responses are extreme (introducing words like "savage", "barbaric", and mis-ascribing positions like "black people have never achieved anything good ever".

There is no meaningful debate to be had. Not sure debate is what is sought - more like agreement or validation.

What will Nigeria et al (most African, Arab and Asian people groups) do to shift their cultural milieu to enable full sustainable modern societies - that's all.

Man traduces his own treaty, taps out of his own challenge undecided.


TV
Please don't be disingenuous. I did not misascribe anything to you. You specifically demanded that I point to any progress made by black Africans. Not only does that infer clearly that you don't believe there are any, but you also dismissed the progress on education and economics I pointed to. You went further to answer that you don't envisage black Africans achieving anything in the next one hundred years. You said very clearly that they would stagnate or regress. Indeed you have more than hinted that such regression will be to something primitive (the "Kraal" ).

What can anyone deduce from this. No one needs to interpret this. It is clear what you are saying, namely that you don't believe blacks have ever achieved anything or ever will.

Not to mention your jibe that there must be a Rene before a sance, basically saying that there cannot be an African Renaissance since there was nothing previously.

You have also said verbatim that you have no problem using the word "inferior."

So please if nothing else, at least be honest and bold enough to own what you have said.

The fact that what you have said is extremist, self hating and shameful is not my handiwork. It is yours.

And excuse me, I did not breach the deal. Show me where. I for example said that SA blacks are not barbaric and that was somehow supposed to be an insult to you?

And for Pete's sake, if you say that blacks have never achieved anything and never will, how is it wrong for me to say that that's clearly a racist position. My deal with you was not to point out such things.

I just can't see what there is to discuss further when you are adamant that blacks have never and will never achieve anything.

Please what on earth can I argue further from such a point of view, you tell me? It's an absurd extreme.
Bemeruca, if you agree with TV01 that black Africans have never achieved anything and never will, say so.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:27pm On May 20
LordReed:
Answer the question first.
Rubio
Turner
Gabbard
Chavez

You can then add Kash
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:09pm On May 20
Raul Castro indicted on murder of four Americans.
His goose is cooked.
Another Maduro raid possible .

Lest you forget ..Obama went to Cuba in 2014 to make peace with him .He went on behalf of America.

basilico:
This is how liberals work here.
An unfavourable issue arises in America. They look for loose ends to rope in Trump.

CIA director was in Havana just the day their fuel reserves ran out 24;hour blackouts and so on. He demanded reforms .
He also warmed them that Raul Castro is about to be indicted just like Maduro.
A Cuban NGO operating flights over the sea to help fleeing Cubans to America had a plane shot down by Cuban air force when Raul Castro was the Defence Minister..
in other words Raul Castro should deliver his 96 year old body to America asap.

How do I rope in Obama.

Obama visited Pope Francis in 2014 or so where Pope agreed to mediate between Cuba and America regarding the blockade. The deliberations were held secretly in Canada with Vatican staff also involved ..Obama visited Cuba another of his failed foreign policy debacles .He thought granting the Communist Marxist Cuba aid and everything else would make the dictator improve the lives of Cubans.

Obama was in Canada last week. He was also in Europe lateclast year. Why?
Was it because some of the grants to Cuban were kicked back to secret accounts he controls in Europe and Canada?
I know this one about Obama sounds really ridiculous, honestly that's how you liberals are here 24/7 with wild insinuations.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:12pm On May 20
Senator John Cornyn helped execute the 2020 coup.




He has impeded the VoterID Act.
Ken Paxton was already more popular than him ,with Trump's endorsement, Cornyn political career is over.
FAFO.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:22pm On May 20
DeepSight:
Please don't be disingenuous. I did not misascribe anything to you. You specifically demanded that I point to any progress made by black Africans. Not only does that infer clearly that you don't believe there are any, but you also dismissed the progress on education and economics I pointed to. You went further to answer that you don't envisage black Africans achieving anything in the next one hundred years. You said very clearly that they would stagnate or regress. Indeed you have more than hinted that such regression will be to something primitive (the "Kraal" ).

What can anyone deduce from this. No one needs to interpret this. It is clear what you are saying, namely that you don't believe blacks have ever achieved anything or ever will.

Not to mention your jibe that there must be a Rene before a sance, basically saying that there cannot be an African Renaissance since there was nothing previously.

You have also said verbatim that you have no problem using the word "inferior."

So please if nothing else, at least be honest and bold enough to own what you have said.

The fact that what you have said is extremist, self hating and shameful is not my handiwork. It is yours.

And excuse me, I did not breach the deal. Show me where. I for example said that SA blacks are not barbaric and that was somehow supposed to be an insult to you?

And for Pete's sake, if you say that blacks have never achieved anything and never will, how is it wrong for me to say that that's clearly a racist position. My deal with you was not to point out such things.

I just can't see what there is to discuss further when you are adamant that blacks have never and will never achieve anything.

Please what on earth can I argue further from such a point of view, you tell me? It's an absurd extreme.
Bemeruca, if you agree with TV01 that black Africans have never achieved anything and never will, say so.
You might want to consider how African leaders go to IMF to beg for aid, a whole entourage that books into the most expensive hotel .

Or how the host IMF / World Bank meetings in their office boardrooms. 50 foot mahogany desk with marching with wood panels, executive leather seats , 20 tea girls . Begging for aid while displaying unimaginable opulence.

That had nothing to do with climate , civil rights, etc.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TV01(m): 7:28pm On May 20
Zero questions addressed lipsrsealed

What will Nigeria et al (most African, Arab and Asian people groups) do to shift their cultural milieu to enable full sustainable modern societies - that's all.


TV

DeepSight:
Please don't be disingenuous. I did not misascribe anything to you. You specifically demanded that I point to any progress made by black Africans. Not only does that infer clearly that you don't believe there are any, but you also dismissed the progress on education and economics I pointed to. You went further to answer that you don't envisage black Africans achieving anything in the next one hundred years. You said very clearly that they would stagnate or regress. Indeed you have more than hinted that such regression will be to something primitive (the "Kraal" ).

What can anyone deduce from this. No one needs to interpret this. It is clear what you are saying, namely that you don't believe blacks have ever achieved anything or ever will.

Not to mention your jibe that there must be a Rene before a sance, basically saying that there cannot be an African Renaissance since there was nothing previously.

You have also said verbatim that you have no problem using the word "inferior."

So please if nothing else, at least be honest and bold enough to own what you have said.

The fact that what you have said is extremist, self hating and shameful is not my handiwork. It is yours.

And excuse me, I did not breach the deal. Show me where. I for example said that SA blacks are not barbaric and that was somehow supposed to be an insult to you?

And for Pete's sake, if you say that blacks have never achieved anything and never will, how is it wrong for me to say that that's clearly a racist position. My deal with you was not to point out such things.

I just can't see what there is to discuss further when you are adamant that blacks have never and will never achieve anything.

Please what on earth can I argue further from such a point of view, you tell me? It's an absurd extreme.
Bemeruca, if you agree with TV01 that black Africans have never achieved anything and never will, say so.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 7:30pm On May 20
TV01:
Zero questions addressed lipsrsealed

What will Nigeria et al (most African, Arab and Asian people groups) do to shift their cultural milieu to enable full sustainable modern societies - that's all.


TV
I am not inclined to engage this question because given that you believe it's impossible, it will be a waste of time.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 7:33pm On May 20
basilico:
You might want to consider how African leaders go to IMF to beg for aid, a whole entourage that books into the most expensive hotel .

Or how the host IMF / World Bank meetings in their office boardrooms. 50 foot mahogany desk with marching with wood panels, executive leather seats , 20 tea girls . Begging for aid while displaying unimaginable opulence.

That had nothing to do with climate , civil rights, etc.
Oh yeah, that's horrible.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:35pm On May 20
Trump has 99% approval in Israel. He might go there and run for PM.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:42pm On May 20
A young black man who was imprisoned but granted clemency by Trump has completed his degree program

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 7:47pm On May 20
Tall ask
DeepSight:
Please don't be disingenuous.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 7:48pm On May 20
Looks like the Ballroom is out again.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 8:29pm On May 20
Am not claiming to be morally perfect. Nobody is.

The point is not that I personally have never made a selfish decision.

The point is that societies collapse when selfishness, greed, corruption, tribalism, and lack of accountability become normalized at leadership and cultural levels.

Supporting a politician or political party does not mean endorsing every bad thing done by that politician or party.

If Trump, Biden, Tinubu, Buhari, Obama, or anyone else acts corruptly, criticize it. I have no wahala with that.

But that still does not answer the point about African leadership, African institutions, black communities, corruption, bad choices, and destructive culture.

This is not moral grandstanding against Africans or AA.

It is criticism of destructive behavior and failed leadership wherever it exists.

If people can criticize white racism, Trump supporters, colonialism, slavery, capitalism, or British history, then they should also be able to criticize black communities, African leaders, tribalism, corruption, fatherlessness, crime, or bad culture without being accused of hatred.

My point is still that education matters, history matters, racism matters, colonialism matters, institutions matter.

But internal choices also matter. Leadership matters. Culture matters. Accountability matters. Family structure matters. Greed and selfishness matter.

If we are serious people, we should be able to discuss all of it without running to or deflecting to you support Trump almost always like Deepsight, bayelsaowei and GracieX3.


cococandy:
You haven’t said a bad thing in this write up. I’ll give you that.


But it seems quite hypocritical given you’re rooting for the people who are making the terrible choices you speak of.

And you yourself can’t brag that you do the right thing when personal interest is at stake. That’s why it’s difficult to take the moral grandstanding you guys perform against African Americans seriously.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 8:37pm On May 20
bemeruca:
Am not claiming to be morally perfect. Nobody is.

The point is not that I personally have never made a selfish decision.
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This is scientifically impossible. It is also a signal of lack of intelligence that you can claim this.

Supporting a politician or political party does not mean endorsing every bad thing done by that politician or party.
If Trump, Biden, Tinubu, Buhari, Obama, or anyone else acts corruptly, criticize it. I have no wahala with that
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Name one thing you have criticized Trump over. A serious thing.
.
If people can criticize white racism, Trump supporters, colonialism, slavery, capitalism, or British history, then they should also be able to criticize black communities, African leaders, tribalism, corruption, fatherlessness, crime, or bad culture without being accused of hatred.
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Name one criticism you have ever levelled at any white communities/ societies.

My point is still that education matters, history matters, racism matters, colonialism matters, institutions matter.
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Retract this hideous lie immediately. You have been here shouting about how these things do not matter or even do not exist. You have laughed off history, you have played down the relevance of education, you have denied every allegation of the existence of any racism at all, you have denied that colonialism has had any role to play.

Stop trying to change the script, this is hideous dishonesty.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:31pm On May 20
Almost like we warned them
Jordan Hayes:

I voted for Donald J. Trump three times.

But what happened last night in Kentucky has me genuinely disturbed about where this country is heading.

Congressman Thomas Massie, a true Republican who voted with Trump and the GOP over 90% of the time, was primaried out in the most expensive House primary in U.S. history. Over $32 million spent, much of it from Miriam Adelson (born in Israel, who has repeatedly said her priority is Israel) and aligned pro-Israel groups.

His Trump-backed challenger Ed Gallrein never did a single debate. He skipped all eight actually. He dodged most interviews and ran almost no in-person events or town halls. Massie outworked him 10 to 1 on the ground, meeting and greeting voters nonstop.

Yet in the end, the MONEY won.

At the same time, President Trump is touting 37 wins and 0 losses on his primary endorsements. Yet his own approval rating has dropped to just 35-37% in the latest polls? Interesting.

Massie was a Republican fighting for what the American people actually want, not the billionaire class, not the Miriam Adelson crowd. People under 50 in America do not support our “greatest ally”. Actually, more than 70% hold “unfavorable” views and that number is getting bigger every minute.

When trust in this administration is already so low and we are seeing massive donor influence knock out voices like the America First Thomas Massie, I cannot put anything past them.

Did last night just prove that our elections in America are officially up for sale? Because that is exactly how it feels waking up today. It seems congressional seats are now something these billionaires and mega-corporations can just outright buy.

We grew up being told America is the greatest democracy in the world, that your vote matters, that anyone can rise up and be anything. We’re waking up to the lies. Our leaders don’t represent us anymore. They are bought and paid for by foreign interests and people working on behalf of foreign governments.
This should scare the hell out of every patriot, Republican or not.

If the roles were reversed and we heard these kinds of allegations against the other side, would we dismiss it? Or demand answers?

Be honest.

Honestly, something just feels very wrong right now doesn’t it?

I am saddened today because of Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address: “…and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” I am sorry Abe… the US government is no longer of the people, by the people, or for the people.

Idk about you, but this does not feel like America.

I don’t want any part of this “democracy”.

Tell me what you are thinking — Democrats and Republicans alike. I want to hear from all sides on this!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:37pm On May 20
Are you seeing what I’m seeing? All of a sudden the things he calls excuses now matter?

Now history and colonialism matters? It hasn’t even been two pages back when he literally said they were excuses.

I can’t with them. It’s exhausting

DeepSight:
Retract this hideous lie immediately. You have been here shouting about how these things do not matter or even do not exist. You have laughed off history, you have played down the relevance of education, you have denied every allegation of the existence of any racism at all, you have denied that colonialism has had any role to play.

Stop trying to change the script, this is hideous dishonesty.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 9:41pm On May 20
cococandy:
Are you seeing what I’m seeing? All of a sudden the things he calls excuses now matter?

Now history and colonialism matters? It hasn’t even been two pages back when he literally said they were excuses.

I can’t with them. It’s exhausting
I could not believe what I was reading!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:43pm On May 20
“I’m shocked”.

Said nobody
A Florida man who previously ran a ministry that aimed to "cure" gay people has been arrested for soliciting a minor, deputies say. https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/florida-man-behind-defunct-conversion-therapy-ministry-tried-to-meet-teen-boy-for-sex-deputies-say/

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:47pm On May 20
DeepSight:
I could not believe what I was reading!
That how conversations with conservatives usually go.

They obfuscate.

Contradict themselves.

Lie.

Say you claimed what you didn’t claim and try to get you to defend a position you never held.

They avoid giving direct answers.

Gaslight.

Waste your time

And eventually go back to square one.

And when you decide not to engage them to avoid the inevitable ensuing unpleasant, they’ll say you can’t stand differences in opinion.

It’s never been worth it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 9:56pm On May 20
DeepSight:
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This is scientifically impossible. It is also a signal of lack of intelligence that you can claim this.


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Name one thing you have criticized Trump over. A serious thing.
.

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Name one criticism you have ever levelled at any white communities/ societies.


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Retract this hideous lie immediately. You have been here shouting about how these things do not matter or even do not exist. You have laughed off history, you have played down the relevance of education, you have denied every allegation of the existence of any racism at all, you have denied that colonialism has had any role to play.

Stop trying to change the script, this is hideous dishonesty.
AI wrote the post (the argument style is similar in all the posts AI writes for him), it sounded good(educated) to him but he didn't fully understand it.
AI is a good tool, but you can't let it do the work for you.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 10:04pm On May 20
IjeBos:
AI wrote the post (the argument style is similar in all the posts AI writes for him), it sounded good(educated) to him but he didn't fully understand it.
AI is a good tool, but you can't let it do the work for you.
Perhaps that explains it.
I must confess I have noticed some strangeness in some of his posts, like it was a different person
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 10:09pm On May 20
DeepSight:
Perhaps that explains it.
I must confess I have noticed some strangeness in some of his posts, like it was a different person
Definitely AI.

I won't give it away but go over some of the posts and you can tell the structure of the arguments of the AI are similar and remarkably different than the posts he doesn't use AI to write.
Also, the grammar is noticeable cleaner, more complex and without a lot of errors.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 10:11pm On May 20
I am so lost at to what is going in the US and what the US is doing.
What legal framework are we using to invade the countries?

He said the US will drive out "foreign encroachment".
Huh?
He must have meant "[other] foreign encroachment".

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