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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 2:11pm On May 22
bemeruca:
You have no clue what you are talking about. This is you oversimplifying things.
You obviously have no clue what I am talking about, and nor do I expect you to.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 2:28pm On May 22
Democrats don't know the Declaration of Independence, even MSNBC news anchors. Anytime they hear "God", their skin burns

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 2:43pm On May 22
budaatum:
You obviously have no clue what I am talking about, and nor do I expect you to.
I know what you are talking about. You are just oversimplifying things.

If someone publicly talks about corruption, the damage corruption does.

Rally against thieves, says all the right things about accountability, sees the benefit of stopping corruption but when he enters office, he uses that same office to steal - that's Nigeria's situation.

Will you call that Ignorance?

You are acting as if once people use their minds, or let to use it, a magically spell has been introduced, they will automatically become honest. We as humans do not work like that.

People can know the right thing and still do the wrong thing. People can understand morality and still choose evil. People can understand consequences for society and still act for themselves.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:15pm On May 22
Wow. No words.

bemeruca:
Democrats don't know the Declaration of Independence, even MSNBC news anchors. Anytime they hear "God", their skin burns

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:24pm On May 22
Liberalism can be a mental disorder.


Republican mayoral candidate explains why he became a Republican.



In other news,

Alberta Canadian richest province to hold a referendum in November to secede .
They are tired of liberals ruining their lives and economy. They are sabotaged from developing their oil industry under the guise of climate change.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:28pm On May 22
budaatum:
And so that he can be the only cockroach.
As someone from a colonized country, I find this stuff offensive.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:29pm On May 22
bayelsaowei:
Trump is a Nigerian politician.. but he can go ahead and steal directly from the American coffers.. he’s got slaves as congress men/women and worshippers as supporters.

Trump please go ahead.

😃😀
You're right, in some regards what Trump is doing is far worse than what's happening in Nigeria,
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:30pm On May 22
basilico:
Liberalism can be a mental disorder.
And yet you are the biggest conspiracy theorist on this thread.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:31pm On May 22
IjeBos:
You're right, in some regards what Trump is doing is far worse than what's happening in Nigeria,
That it can be so open, so in-their-faces, so boldfaced and without tangible resistance is what really fascinates me.
Somewhere in the belly of much of white and middle America, I cant help feeling, rests the willingness to allow Trump any atrocity in compensation for what was the greatest abomination they could ever imagine - the fact that a black man ever became their president with a black first lady to boot.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 3:34pm On May 22
basilico:
Wow. No words.
And some will ask "if you have been to America" 😂
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:39pm On May 22
cococandy:
I hope these ones on here (including Ibe okehie that swore he will support Trump with his life ) are willing to give up their citizenship and their children’s citizenship to satisfy their partisan agenda.

Yeye dey smell. Imagine selling yourself and pride for pennies. To be caricatured and constantly embarrassed by such a putrid blob of orange maleficence. Eew

If not luck and racism, on a level playing field where two men are born into the exact same circumstances, what African man can Trump measure up to realistically? And this is my sincere honest opinion. There’s nothing remotely worthy of respect about him. He can’t even hold a candle to a decent below average black man.

I hate that I love them more than they love themselves. Because it’s disgusting to me and embarrassing to watch people who should be odogwu on a normal day cowtow to such a mess of a person.

Like we get that the system is the way it is and there’s not much anyone can do except survive or hopefully thrive in it. But to bow to this melting weakling is just other levels of embarrassing.

(IMHO. lol 🤣)
Exp. the part of luck and circumstance.
I don't think how many people know how circumstance(wealth) played a huge role in a lot of wealthy people from Bill gates to Elon Musk.
The same circumstances denied African Americans through the slavery segregation period.
Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell is a good read.

It's infinitely harder to gain wealth without wealth or a network that you can access it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:45pm On May 22
DeepSight:
That it can be so open, so in-their-faces, so boldfaced and without tangible resistance is what really fascinates me.
Somewhere in the belly of much of white and middle America, I cant help feeling, rests the willingness to allow Trump any atrocity in compensation for what was the greatest abomination they could ever imagine - the fact that a black man ever became their president with a black first lady to boot.
That's the truth.
And even the further abomination that they believe that they are being displaced by immigrants.
If you can even imagine the concept of that.
How can people with all the privilege of decades of citizenship in the US be displaced by immigrants with none.
Instead of looking inward they decide they will let Trump brutalize them and the US as a means to wallow in their victimhood.
But what happens when the immigrants are gone? Will W. Virginia or Mississippi not be poverty stricken states any longer?

The only upside is that Trump has allowed us to see who people really are esp. white people in our friend groups..
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:54pm On May 22
budaatum:
Says the expert in distortion. But its being pointed out that you might be resetting, so there's hope for a cure.
Resetting?
Those are just the AI written posts sounding more reasonable.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSightZ: 3:56pm On May 22
IjeBos:
That's the truth.
And even the further abomination that they believe that they are being displaced by immigrants.
If you can even imagine the concept of that.
How can people with all the privilege of decades of citizenship in the US be displaced by immigrants with none.
Instead of looking inward they decide they will let Trump brutalize them and the US as a means to wallow in their victimhood.
But what happens when the immigrants are gone? Will W. Virginia or Mississippi not be poverty stricken states any longer?

The only upside is that Trump has allowed us to see who people really are esp. white people in our friend groups..
This your last line - my thoughts exactly. That is truly the only upside. His crass impunity has truly given us all the chance to see through to the heart of many white people who would have otherwise politely pretended.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 4:18pm On May 22
People who have made a few hundred thousand dollars (me being generous) and somehow think they’re now in the big boys club won’t understand.
IjeBos:
It's infinitely harder to gain wealth without wealth or a network that you can access it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 4:50pm On May 22
budaatum:
You are far too young and refuse to learn to know that the "some working public systems decades ago" was so little and only in some places that the need to build working public systems where they did not exist would leave very little to maintain or improve the few where they did exist, so decay they would.

Obanikoro was a village in the 80s. I used to look off my rear balcony and feel I had travelled to the Orolu Kingdom that had no light and no running water at the time. The front balcony showed a different view however, and was closer to GRA in Ikeja.

We had running water way up on the third floor in the mid 70s. But providing running water to the rest of the village in the 80s meant the pressure wasn't enough to get water to the third floor. Ketu just about 7 miles away, had no water pipes at the time, and I'd be impressed if it had any now. As for light, the one transformer that served the entire Obanikoro was insufficient in the mid 70s, and when it blew there was no light for weeks sometimes.

Schools weren't enough neither, so many went to afternoon schools expecting to be taught by teachers who knew the school inspectors only visit in the mornings and who were already tired from teaching the day students.

Hospitals! The judicial system! All very "some", but I can not keep educating you how very "some" "working public systems" were in Nigeria post independence when you can so easily educate yourself that the colonisers were not colonising you for your benefit or to develop you as you seem to believe, but for their own benefit and profit, and when we kicked them out, they literally placed a cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of our future development.
Of course, they did not colonize us for our benefit, but we benefited anyway. You are benefiting from the language you are speaking as well.

That is supposed to be a checkpoint, not an excuse.

Nobody is saying Nigeria had perfect public systems everywhere after independence. The point is that the systems that existed were supposed to be maintained, improved, and scaled. If third-floor water pressure dropped because more people were connected, the solution was not for the entire water system to decay, but rather better planning, more pumping stations, more reservoirs, more pipes, and proper maintenance. You have lived in the UK for decades, so you know very well that expanding public services is not magic. It requires planning, investment, maintenance, accountability, and competent leadership. So why are you making excuses for failure?

Notice I highlighted accountability, why?

Because without it, even foreign investors will not provide better services; instead, they will milk the people. MTN and Econet are good examples. My elder brother's Nigerian line was bought for 50K naira back in the year 2000. That was a huge sum of money. Early adopters, I guess. But the fact that he would spend an hour or more trying to call someone is where the issue is. MTN was not scaling its network to accommodate the growing number of users. They were not getting sanctioned for the bad services they were providing to customers. But I digress.

Even in places where population density was low, nobody is saying every remote bush should have had running water in 1965. But what happened to the places that already had water, electricity, schools, hospitals, and functioning administration? Why did many of those systems regress or collapse completely? As I said, what they left for us was/is supposed to be a checkpoint: improve and maintain the standards.

Growing up in Port Harcourt, my grandfather had two large industrial generators in a generator house. They were noisy, heavy-duty machines, but we barely used them for months sometimes because electricity was steady. At night, we might run them for only about 10 minutes. I am sure we were one of the few houses on the street with generators. I don't know any other compound in my street that uses generators. In my granddad's compound, none of the tenants have it. So it powers my Grandfathers family house and my dad's house in the compound.

Gradually, we started using them more and more. Power is less reliable. When the generators got bad, they were difficult to repair because they were old tech. At that time, the generator business was not even a thing as it is today. By the time generators became a thing and repairers became common, our own generators were already outdated.

That is the story of Nigeria: regression, poor maintenance, and failure to scale.

So Nigeria did not simply fail because colonialism left some systems or the systems were to benefit the colonisers. Nigeria failed because the post-independence leadership class failed to maintain what existed, failed to expand it properly, and failed to build institutions that could survive corruption and incompetence.

So stop pretending decay was inevitable. Limited infrastructure is not the same thing as total collapse. Serious countries take what exists, improve it, and expand it. Failed countries make excuses while everything falls apart. So you are trying to excuse your way out of this by falling back on colonialism. The same "you" wants to talk about ignorance and education.
This is the lack of self-awareness I was talking about.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:40pm On May 22
cococandy:
People who have made a few hundred thousand dollars (me being generous) and somehow think they’re now in the big boys club won’t understand.
Some people start at 2nd base, while some are still trying to get a bat.
They don't even understand the game that is being played to even play it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:46pm On May 22
DeepSightZ:
This your last line - my thoughts exactly. That is truly the only upside. His crass impunity has truly given us all the chance to see through to the heart of many white people who would have otherwise politely pretended.
Had a white friend I've known for at least a decade call another black person a "nigger" in our group chat.
He said he didn't vote for Trump, but he's always rationalizing what he does.

Trump has normalized racism and given people impunity to let their evil darkness out.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 5:51pm On May 22
benalvino3:
Of course, they did not colonize us for our benefit, but we benefited anyway. You are benefiting from the language you are speaking as well.

That is supposed to be a checkpoint, not an excuse.

Nobody is saying Nigeria had perfect public systems everywhere after independence. The point is that the systems that existed were supposed to be maintained, improved, and scaled. If third-floor water pressure dropped because more people were connected, the solution was not for the entire water system to decay, but rather better planning, more pumping stations, more reservoirs, more pipes, and proper maintenance. You have lived in the UK for decades, so you know very well that expanding public services is not magic. It requires planning, investment, maintenance, accountability, and competent leadership. So why are you making excuses for failure?

Notice I highlighted accountability, why?

Because without it, even foreign investors will not provide better services; instead, they will milk the people. MTN and Econet are good examples. My elder brother's Nigerian line was bought for 50K naira back in the year 2000. That was a huge sum of money. Early adopters, I guess. But the fact that he would spend an hour or more trying to call someone is where the issue is. MTN was not scaling its network to accommodate the growing number of users. They were not getting sanctioned for the bad services they were providing to customers. But I digress.

Even in places where population density was low, nobody is saying every remote bush should have had running water in 1965. But what happened to the places that already had water, electricity, schools, hospitals, and functioning administration? Why did many of those systems regress or collapse completely? As I said, what they left for us was/is supposed to be a checkpoint: improve and maintain the standards.

Growing up in Port Harcourt, my grandfather had two large industrial generators in a generator house. They were noisy, heavy-duty machines, but we barely used them for months sometimes because electricity was steady. At night, we might run them for only about 10 minutes. I am sure we were one of the few houses on the street with generators. I don't know any other compound in my street that uses generators. In my granddad's compound, none of the tenants have it. So it powers my Grandfathers family house and my dad's house in the compound.

Gradually, we started using them more and more. Power is less reliable. When the generators got bad, they were difficult to repair because they were old tech. At that time, the generator business was not even a thing as it is today. By the time generators became a thing and repairers became common, our own generators were already outdated.

That is the story of Nigeria: regression, poor maintenance, and failure to scale.

So Nigeria did not simply fail because colonialism left some systems or the systems were to benefit the colonisers. Nigeria failed because the post-independence leadership class failed to maintain what existed, failed to expand it properly, and failed to build institutions that could survive corruption and incompetence.

So stop pretending decay was inevitable. Limited infrastructure is not the same thing as total collapse. Serious countries take what exists, improve it, and expand it. Failed countries make excuses while everything falls apart. So you are trying to excuse your way out of this by falling back on colonialism. The same "you" wants to talk about ignorance and education.
This is the lack of self-awareness I was talking about.
1. I have said this before and i will say it again - is it that you people believe that this journey was ever meant to be or ever going to be a smooth road?

2. Point me to one nation which has had a smooth road. In fact, one nation which has not experienced all the things developing nations are going through now.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 6:08pm On May 22
The juju that Netanyahu and the Israeli government is using on the Trumps administration needs to be studied.

Chaii

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 6:12pm On May 22
DeepSight:
1. I have said this before and i will say it again - is it that you people believe that this journey was ever meant to be or ever going to be a smooth road?

2. Point me to one nation which has had a smooth road. In fact, one nation which has not experienced all the things developing nations are going through now.
Nobody said building a nation was supposed to be a smooth road.

Difficult road is not an excuse for permanent failure, regression, corruption, broken institutions, collapsing infrastructure, and endless mismanagement that is getting worse by the day.

Israel has not had a smooth road till today. Theey were born into war, surrounded by hostile neighbours, terrorism, resource limitations, etc. Yet look at where they are today compared to many countries that had far more natural resources and less external pressure. They did all their development in a desert.

Our problem is not that the road was rough. Every serious nation had a rough road. Our problem is that after decades of oil money, fertile land, ports, talent, and favourable location, you are here explaining away failure as if is unique to us.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 6:20pm On May 22
benalvino3:
Nobody said building a nation was supposed to be a smooth road.

Difficult road is not an excuse for permanent failure, regression, corruption, broken institutions, collapsing infrastructure, and endless mismanagement that is getting worse by the day.

Israel has not had a smooth road till today. Theey were born into war, surrounded by hostile neighbours, terrorism, resource limitations, etc. Yet look at where they are today compared to many countries that had far more natural resources and less external pressure. They did all their development in a desert.

Our problem is not that the road was rough. Every serious nation had a rough road. Our problem is that after decades of oil money, fertile land, ports, talent, and favourable location, you are here explaining away failure as if is unique to us.
You are not saying anything tangible. If you acknowledge that it could not be a smooth road, then you are simply making noise. Because everything else you say makes no sense. What is permanent failure? Do you know the meaning of the word permanent at all?
And I am just sick of the word "excuse."
No one is excusing anything.

You were the one calling every factor an excuse only to admit that each mentioned factor mattered.

Shattap my friend.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:25pm On May 22
shocked shocked
This guy flies to Mar largo every weekend to play golf.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by RodgersAkpafu: 6:50pm On May 22
One part of me is glad that the Trump admin is destroying whats left of the USA.

Make everybody rest from American exceptionalism
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by RodgersAkpafu: 6:52pm On May 22
benalvino3:
Of course, they did not colonize us for our benefit, but we benefited anyway. You are benefiting from the language you are speaking as well.

That is supposed to be a checkpoint, not an excuse.

Nobody is saying Nigeria had perfect public systems everywhere after independence. The point is that the systems that existed were supposed to be maintained, improved, and scaled. If third-floor water pressure dropped because more people were connected, the solution was not for the entire water system to decay, but rather better planning, more pumping stations, more reservoirs, more pipes, and proper maintenance. You have lived in the UK for decades, so you know very well that expanding public services is not magic. It requires planning, investment, maintenance, accountability, and competent leadership. So why are you making excuses for failure?

Notice I highlighted accountability, why?

Because without it, even foreign investors will not provide better services; instead, they will milk the people. MTN and Econet are good examples. My elder brother's Nigerian line was bought for 50K naira back in the year 2000. That was a huge sum of money. Early adopters, I guess. But the fact that he would spend an hour or more trying to call someone is where the issue is. MTN was not scaling its network to accommodate the growing number of users. They were not getting sanctioned for the bad services they were providing to customers. But I digress.

Even in places where population density was low, nobody is saying every remote bush should have had running water in 1965. But what happened to the places that already had water, electricity, schools, hospitals, and functioning administration? Why did many of those systems regress or collapse completely? As I said, what they left for us was/is supposed to be a checkpoint: improve and maintain the standards.

Growing up in Port Harcourt, my grandfather had two large industrial generators in a generator house. They were noisy, heavy-duty machines, but we barely used them for months sometimes because electricity was steady. At night, we might run them for only about 10 minutes. I am sure we were one of the few houses on the street with generators. I don't know any other compound in my street that uses generators. In my granddad's compound, none of the tenants have it. So it powers my Grandfathers family house and my dad's house in the compound.

Gradually, we started using them more and more. Power is less reliable. When the generators got bad, they were difficult to repair because they were old tech. At that time, the generator business was not even a thing as it is today. By the time generators became a thing and repairers became common, our own generators were already outdated.

That is the story of Nigeria: regression, poor maintenance, and failure to scale.

So Nigeria did not simply fail because colonialism left some systems or the systems were to benefit the colonisers. Nigeria failed because the post-independence leadership class failed to maintain what existed, failed to expand it properly, and failed to build institutions that could survive corruption and incompetence.

So stop pretending decay was inevitable. Limited infrastructure is not the same thing as total collapse. Serious countries take what exists, improve it, and expand it. Failed countries make excuses while everything falls apart. So you are trying to excuse your way out of this by falling back on colonialism. The same "you" wants to talk about ignorance and education.
This is the lack of self-awareness I was talking about.
How does a colonised person benefit from speaking the language of the coloniser?

Man, this brain washing is deep.

So speaking a language introduced to you via colonisation is a benefit ?

Oluwa ooooo
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 6:53pm On May 22
DeepSight:
You are not saying anything tangible. If you acknowledge that it could not be a smooth road, then you are simply making noise. Because everything else you say makes no sense. What is permanent failure? Do you know the meaning of the word permanent at all?
And I am just sick of the word "excuse."
No one is excusing anything.

You were the one calling every factor an excuse only to admit that each mentioned factor mattered.

Shattap my friend.
The difference is clear, like 7Up: a factor is something serious leaders identify and overcome. An excuse is when you keep using that same factor to explain failure decade after decade. That is the difference between you and me.

Those factors matter for Israel too. They had desert, limited water, war, hostile neighbours, terrorism, and fewer resources. But they did not sit down for 70 years saying, our road is not smooth. They developed agriculture, technology, defence, water systems, institutions, and their modern economy.

If your mechanic keeps making your car worse every time he touches it, you don’t keep saying, well, the road is rough, the weather is hot, and the car was already old. At some point, you admit the mechanic is incompetent, replace him with someone who can actually fix the car despite those conditions.

That is my point.

Our problem is not that difficulties exist every country has difficulties. Our problem is that the people managing those difficulties keep making the country worse, and people like you come out to explain the failure instead of demanding accountability.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by RodgersAkpafu: 6:57pm On May 22
cococandy:
People who have made a few hundred thousand dollars (me being generous) and somehow think they’re now in the big boys club won’t understand.
its common sense
they dont get it
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 6:58pm On May 22
RodgersAkpafu:
How does a colonised person benefit from speaking the language of the coloniser?

Man, this brain washing is deep.

So speaking a language introduced to you via colonisation is a benefit ?

Oluwa ooooo
Why are you using it to communicate with me?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by RodgersAkpafu: 7:03pm On May 22
cococandy:
I hope these ones on here (including Ibe okehie that swore he will support Trump with his life ) are willing to give up their citizenship and their children’s citizenship to satisfy their partisan agenda.

Yeye dey smell. Imagine selling yourself and pride for pennies. To be caricatured and constantly embarrassed by such a putrid blob of orange maleficence. Eew

If not luck and racism, on a level playing field where two men are born into the exact same circumstances, what African man can Trump measure up to realistically? And this is my sincere honest opinion. There’s nothing remotely worthy of respect about him. He can’t even hold a candle to a decent below average black man.

I hate that I love them more than they love themselves. Because it’s disgusting to me and embarrassing to watch people who should be odogwu on a normal day cowtow to such a mess of a person.

Like we get that the system is the way it is and there’s not much anyone can do except survive or hopefully thrive in it. But to bow to this melting weakling is just other levels of embarrassing.

(IMHO. lol 🤣)
Self hatred is taught
And the church is a major conduit through which it is taught
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by RodgersAkpafu: 7:04pm On May 22
benalvino3:
Why are you using it to communicate with me?
And how is that a benefit?
People of disparate languages have been communicating prior to European misadventures on the continent

So again, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 7:11pm On May 22
RodgersAkpafu:
And how is that a benefit?
People of disparate languages have been communicating prior to European misadventures on the continent

So again, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT?
Why not go back to using your language then? If it is not beneficial, why use it?

Your response in bold is redundant.

Since it is not beneficial, why are you using it?

I have already answered you. We are communicating to each other, that is the benefit.
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