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This is one of the genesis of Nigerian's problems as a whole: An elected official will use tax payers' money to renovate a property and the people whose blood and sweat went into paying that tax will be dancing and clapping for that government official. A project that was done with your own money, not even minding the fact that they embezzled more than half of that money in the process

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CapitalBank:
Benin people have nothing in common with Yoruba people

Nobody is begging them to have something in common to do with Yoruba people,pls,go back to history,read make your research ,ask from chatgpt,this is a modern world fill with knowledge,dont believe in hear say

Owedo wehhin? Govokpebolo no dey carry Last. Congrats Edo market people, make them give every shop occipiervtheir shop o! Makevsocall big man no chance them

Desusi:
No
Before nko? only they don't want to accept the truth.Those who knows them believe Benin is a Yorubaland. I remember during Chief obafemi awolowo demise, Benin people were highly represented. Oba was quoted as saying Yoruba came from benin,whereas history had it that all Yorubas are from ile ife.One of oranmiyan daughters is the founder of benin till today.

You should have paid more attention in your history class, if you went to secondary school

This is a misplaced rejoicing if the local and state governments have not renovated enough primary and secondary schools, as well as employing enough teachers, to make education free for all the children of the market women. Not so

Desusi:
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Nobody is begging them to have something in common to do with Yoruba people,pls,go back to history,read make your research ,ask from chatgpt,this is a modern world fill with knowledge,dont believe in hear say

Again, Benin people have nothing in common with Yoruba people, not food, not dialect. The people who even share thats similarity with them are in Delta state.

Thank you.

thesicilian:
You should have paid more attention in your history class, if you went to secondary school

How do you expect him to go to secondary school when Tinubu is leading other politicians to deemphasise free education for all children?

Unlike Obasanjo and Atiku who established UBEC to make matching federal funds available to states for nine years of free and compulsory education for all children.

CapitalBank:
Again, Benin people have nothing in common with Yoruba people, not food, not dialect. The people who even share thats similarity with them are in Delta state.

Thank you.

Do you know better than Oba Akiolu, who threatened genocide against Igbo people in 2015?

Lagos Oba traces origin to Benin,



https://guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/lagos-oba-traces-origin-to-benin/

Suffering and smiling... Happy about construction if a market instead of demanding better amenities and accountability.

Nigerians are the problem of Nigeria

DEM DON THROW BONES GIVE THIS ONES.

Yemmysworld91:
What then is the reason for burying majority Benin obas in ile Ife before it was stopped?

Benins no wan gree and the Yorubas no wan gree too .
Only God knows whose history is accurate cos una dey confuse me

I clearly stated it, ile'Ife and Lagos, were created by the Benin empire, they were extensions of the empire then, we are talking about a long time ago here, about two thousand years ago, for the ile'Ife episode, (they buried kings that emanated under that dynasty in the land, that the Benin Royal bloodline that started the Oba dynasty lived) As I said earlier, ile'Ife was an extension of the Benin empire then, as you can see, that practice has since been stopped.

From their twisted Oduduwa story, they clearly mentioned Benin royalty traveling to their land and ruling there, but of course they twisted the narrative and called Oduduwa a God, when he was a bloodline of the Benin empire, the prince married a Yoruba woman and the seed was Oduduwa, of course in history people will like to favour their tribe, revisionist etc, that is why you have different versions. But recent factual history like the Benin controlling Lagos, and the first Lagos king being a Benin Prince (Ado), timelines of the greatness of the empire, building the Benin wall, moat, all these feats require a lot of skilled workers or slaves, and it takes a strong tribe or people to capture others as slaves, writings and publishings by Portuguese sailors, traders and pirates of their dealings with the Benin empire (they did not deal with any other Nigerian tribe at that point), the waterways and trade route connecting West Africa to Europe being named 'bight of Benin', the priceless bronze works and artefacts of the Benin empire (displayed in British museum), and archeological tests carried out on these bronze works, the Benin wall, and moat, will tell, even a kid the true picture. Edo people and Yorubas are good neighbours but we are different tribes and people, our ways, disposition, temperament, language, sounds, traditions, mysticism, mannerisms and culture are as different as day and night, though some terms and words/names might be used interchangeably by the two, this is due to historical interactions.

dederocs:
I clearly stated it, ile'Ife and Lagos, were created by the Benin empire, they were extensions of the empire then, we are talking about a long time ago here, about two thousand years ago, for the ile'Ife episode, (they buried kings that emanated under that dynasty in the land, that the Benin Royal bloodline that started the Oba dynasty lived) As I said earlier, ile'Ife was an extension of the Benin empire then, as you can see, that practice has since been stopped.

From their twisted Oduduwa story, they clearly mentioned Benin royalty traveling to their land and ruling there, but of course they twisted the narrative and called Oduduwa a God, when he was a bloodline of the Benin empire, the prince married a Yoruba woman and the seed was Oduduwa, of course in history people will like to favour their tribe, revisionist etc, that is why you have different versions. But recent factual history like the Benin controlling Lagos, and the first Lagos king being a Benin Prince (Ado), timelines of the greatness of the empire, building the Benin wall, moat, all these feats require a lot of skilled workers or slaves, and it takes a strong tribe or people to capture others as slaves, writings and publishings by Portuguese sailors, traders and pirates of their dealings with the Benin empire (they did not deal with any other Nigerian tribe at that point), the waterways and trade route connecting West Africa to Europe being named 'bight of Benin', the priceless bronze works and artefacts of the Benin empire (displayed in British museum), and archeological tests carried out on these bronze works, the Benin wall, and moat, will tell, even a kid the true picture. Edo people and Yorubas are good neighbours but we are different tribes and people, our ways, disposition, temperament, language, sounds, traditions, mannerisms and culture are as different as day and night, though some terms and words/names might be used interchangeably by the two, this is due to historical interactions.

Hmmmm
I like how you marshal your points. Like I already mentioned, this piece of history is one of the most controversial that I have tried to understand with no accuracy. So, don't assume I have an opinion or reached a conclusion.

My little researches show that, Benin is obviously older than the Oyo empire (which of course went on to rule the Yorubas for centuries). But there's no accuracy on which comes first, the Benin or Ife empire. And on the bight of Benin, the Benins obviously had early access to the waters unlike Ife that's deep inside. And there's no dispute on the Benin influence on Lagos, Aworis and Itshekiris.

And I don't think the difference between the Benins and Yorubas is that wide. I strongly believe that both tribes in addition to the Itshekiris can easily blend with each other than any other ethnic groups in Nigeria.

The history has been greatly distorted such that accuracy is difficult

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thesicilian:
You should have paid more attention in your history class, if you went to secondary school

I beg,historian, tell me more sir,na night school l go.

anonimi:
Do you know better than Oba Akiolu, who threatened genocide against Igbo people in 2015?

My mother is from Edo state.

The only link Yoruba people have to Benin is just that at some point in history there was some shift.

If you tell Benin people they are Yoruba, dem fit give ou uppercut sef.

For Market 😂😂😂😂😂
Na time e go take una eyes go clear

CapitalBank:
My mother is from Edo state.

The only link Yoruba people have to Benin is just that at some point in history there was some shift.

If you tell Benin people they are Yoruba, dem fit give ou uppercut sef.

If you tell Oyo people they are Ile Ife people, what do you think they will do

dederocs:
Benin empire state is more than 4000 years old, has had 3 dynasties and 12 kings before the Oba era, oldest yoruba settlement is around 1300 years old, evidence of this is in archeological tests done on the great Benin city walls, Benin moat and priceless Benin bronze works and artefacts. Recent history of 17th and 18th century showed Benin controlling the waterways of Niger Delta axis, down to Lagos and Dahomey, trading with the Portuguese, that stretch of waterway is named after Benin (bight of Benin), first Lagos king was a Benin Prince, Prince Ado. Stop this nonsense, a son can not teach a father anything, a son copies from the father. Benin created your major earlier cities, ile'Ife and Lagos. All these are facts, not myths or fables... till today Benin blood run Lagos royal household, the Aworis etc are Benin princes.

The usual lies. The Aworis are from Ile-Ife 💯 and dude your Oba is a certified Yoruba man inside out. Just rest with your lies.

Yemmysworld91:
Hmmmm
I like how you marshal your points. Like I already mentioned, this piece of history is one of the most controversial that I have tried to understand with no accuracy. So, don't assume I have an opinion or reached a conclusion.

My little researches show that, Benin is obviously older than the Oyo empire (which of course went on to rule the Yorubas for centuries). But there's no accuracy on which comes first, the Benin or Ife empire. And on the bight of Benin, the Benins obviously had early access to the waters unlike Ife that's deep inside. And there's no dispute on the Benin influence on Lagos, Aworis and Itshekiris.

And I don't think the difference between the Benins and Yorubas is that wide. I strongly believe that both tribes in addition to the Itshekiris can easily blend with each other than any other ethnic groups in Nigeria.

The history has been greatly distorted such that accuracy is difficult

The founder of Ile Ife who eventually turns to become the father of the Yorubas today is Lamurudu. He’s one of those guys that migrated from Sudan/Cush to find a new settlement just like many other West African settlers of today. The only link Ife had with Benin was Oranmiyan who went on to become their king before going on to form Oyo town which later became an empire. The reason why Lamurudu isn’t much in our history as Yoruba was simply because of our earlier Muslim scholars who tried to change the story that Lamurudu was a runaway Saudi prince which isn’t true. He’s just a migrant from Sudan just like the GA people of Ghana too.

Benin people are so confused that they claim Oduduwa happens to be their runaway prince named Izoduwa and that they requested for his son to come back to rule them after they found out he’s old and can no longer return to Benin to rule them. But in reality, Oduduwas reign as the Ooni of Ile-Ife was extremely short because back then the battle for the position was intense between his supporters and that of Obatala and then Ogun. And also Oranmiyan that they always claim to be a son of the so called Izoduwa happens to actually be the son of Ogun and not Oduduwa. Oduduwa didn’t have enough time to do a lot of things as the Ooni of Ife because he took over violently from Obatala and all through his short reign, Obatala and his supporters didn’t let him enjoy peace. The only reason why he’s so revere today in Ile-Ife and across Yorubaland worldwide is that he happens to be the first Ooni of unified Ile-Ife.

So Benin history sounds like a lot of fallacy.

Refinedbeing:
The founder of Ile Ife who eventually turns to become the father of the Yorubas today is Lamurudu. He’s one of those guys that migrated from Sudan/Cush to find a new settlement just like many other West African settlers of today. The only link Ife had with Benin was Oranmiyan who went on to become their king before going on to form Oyo town which later became an empire. The reason why Lamurudu isn’t much in our history as Yoruba was simply because of our earlier Muslim scholars who tried to change the story that Lamurudu was a runaway Saudi prince which isn’t true. He’s just a migrant from Sudan just like the GA people of Ghana too.

Benin people are so confused that they claim Oduduwa happens to be their runaway prince named Izoduwa and that they requested for his son to come back to rule them after they found out he’s old and can no longer return to Benin to rule them. But in reality, Oduduwas reign as the Ooni of Ile-Ife was extremely short because back then the battle for the position was intense between his supporters and that of Obatala and then Ogun. And also Oranmiyan that they always claim to be a son of the so called Izoduwa happens to actually be the son of Ogun and not Oduduwa. Oduduwa didn’t have enough time to do a lot of things as the Ooni of Ife because he took over violently from Obatala and all through his short reign, Obatala and his supporters didn’t let him enjoy peace. The only reason why he’s so revere today in Ile-Ife and across Yorubaland worldwide is that he happens to be the first Ooni of unified Ile-Ife.

So Benin history sounds like a lot of fallacy.

Going by your above assertion, are you agreeing with the Yorubas that Oranmiyan left Ife for Benin?

There's no argument on the fact that he left Benin for Oyo

The fact that the Benin history sounds fallacious makes it difficult to believe.
And the Yoruba historians have over time pushed out their views for the larger world than the Benins. I stand to be corrected though

Refinedbeing:
The founder of Ile Ife who eventually turns to become the father of the Yorubas today is Lamurudu. He’s one of those guys that migrated from Sudan/Cush to find a new settlement just like many other West African settlers of today. The only link Ife had with Benin was Oranmiyan who went on to become their king before going on to form Oyo town which later became an empire. The reason why Lamurudu isn’t much in our history as Yoruba was simply because of our earlier Muslim scholars who tried to change the story that Lamurudu was a runaway Saudi prince which isn’t true. He’s just a migrant from Sudan just like the GA people of Ghana too.

Benin people are so confused that they claim Oduduwa happens to be their runaway prince named Izoduwa and that they requested for his son to come back to rule them after they found out he’s old and can no longer return to Benin to rule them. But in reality, Oduduwas reign as the Ooni of Ile-Ife was extremely short because back then the battle for the position was intense between his supporters and that of Obatala and then Ogun. And also Oranmiyan that they always claim to be a son of the so called Izoduwa happens to actually be the son of Ogun and not Oduduwa. Oduduwa didn’t have enough time to do a lot of things as the Ooni of Ife because he took over violently from Obatala and all through his short reign, Obatala and his supporters didn’t let him enjoy peace. The only reason why he’s so revere today in Ile-Ife and across Yorubaland worldwide is that he happens to be the first Ooni of unified Ile-Ife.

So Benin history sounds like a lot of fallacy.

Lamurudu is not Yoruba. If not show me a temple of Lamurudu or adherents of Lamurudu. It was just a name mentioned by the person that founded the current dynasty in Yoruba land to his children. He mentioned that name to his children so that they will know where he came from. The name is apparently same name as Nimrod the King who ruled over Sumeria over five thousand years ago. Many dynasties across the middle east claim descent from him. I believe strongly that the man who mentioned that name to his children is descended from one of those dynasties probably Egyptian but the people in Ife recognized him as an incarnate of Oduduwa and they were right. The original Oduduwa was the first King of a united Earth in Yoruba mythology

Yemmysworld91:
Hmmmm
I like how you marshal your points. Like I already mentioned, this piece of history is one of the most controversial that I have tried to understand with no accuracy. So, don't assume I have an opinion or reached a conclusion.

My little researches show that, Benin is obviously older than the Oyo empire (which of course went on to rule the Yorubas for centuries). But there's no accuracy on which comes first, the Benin or Ife empire. And on the bight of Benin, the Benins obviously had early access to the waters unlike Ife that's deep inside. And there's no dispute on the Benin influence on Lagos, Aworis and Itshekiris.

And I don't think the difference between the Benins and Yorubas is that wide. I strongly believe that both tribes in addition to the Itshekiris can easily blend with each other than any other ethnic groups in Nigeria.

The history has been greatly distorted such that accuracy is difficult

Benin and Oyo dynasties were founded by the same person. I am not sure which one gained prominence first but Alaafin Sango who is one of the most deified individuals on Earth today was an Alaafin of Oyo and he was a grandson I believe of Oranmiyan the founder. If that were taken into consideration then Oyo became prominent before Benin and was far far bigger than Benin in extent. Benin was more tranquil and may have been seen as a spiritual center being positioned to become a new Ife because that is how I interprete the bronze casters moving from ife to Benin and not to Oyo. The actual name of Benin is Ife Ibinu and not ile ibinu as many say.

lawani:
Benin and Oyo dynasties were founded by the same person. I am not sure which one gained prominence first but Alaafin Sango who is one of the most deified individuals on Earth today was an Alaafin of Oyo and he was a grandson I believe of Oranmiyan the founder. If that were taken into consideration then Oyo became prominent before Benin and was far far bigger than Benin in extent. Benin was more tranquil and may have been seen as a spiritual center being positioned to become a new Ife because that is how I interprete the bronze casters moving from ife to Benin and not to Oyo. The actual name of Benin is Ife Ibinu and not ile ibinu as many say.

Benin has been in existence way before Oyo though. Benin people argue that Oranmiyan only came and establish royalty in Benin; and that there was a ruling dynasty before Oranmiyan came.
And i don't think they will agree with you that the bronze casters moved from Ife to Benin, they see it as the other way round.

The history is conflicting and I don't think we will get an actual picture of which came first between Benin and Ife.
Though I'm beginning to think Benin. I'm not conclusive though

Yemmysworld91:
Benin has been in existence way before Oyo though. Benin people argue that Oranmiyan only came and establish royalty in Benin; and that there was a ruling dynasty before Oranmiyan came.
And i don't think they will agree with you that the bronze casters moved from Ife to Benin, they see it as the other way round.

The history is conflicting and I don't think we will get an actual picture of which came first between Benin and Ife.
Though I'm beginning to think Benin. I'm not conclusive though

Did the Oyo empire come before Nigeria? If yes then the Benin came after whatever was there before Oranmiyan. They are not the same thing. They didn't use the same institutions and etc. Igodomigodo is not the same thing as Benin

Yemmysworld91:
Going by your above assertion, are you agreeing with the Yorubas that Oranmiyan left Ife for Benin?

There's no argument on the fact that he left Benin for Oyo

The fact that the Benin history sounds fallacious makes it difficult to believe.
And the Yoruba historians have over time pushed out their views for the larger world than the Benins. I stand to be corrected though

I am Yoruba, and that’s right. Oranmiyan left Ile-Ife for Benin, install his son as oba then left to found Oyo.

Desusi:
No
Before nko? only they don't want to accept the truth.Those who knows them believe Benin is a Yorubaland. I remember during Chief obafemi awolowo demise, Benin people were highly represented. Oba was quoted as saying Yoruba came from benin,whereas history had it that all Yorubas are from ile ife.One of oranmiyan daughters is the founder of benin till today.

the rulling class is yoruba, same way vikings and french were rulling class in england at some point.

Duplex90:
a market is stomach of any community just as ur stomach owns your body, a market is more spiritual than u know, forget civilization today but every place has a market day even when it opens everyday

😃 What a Philosophy! Seem like you are a foodie, You didn't even think of electronics and other stuffs but straight about the stomach intake

EmekaBlue:
😃 What a Philosophy! Seem like you are a foodie, You didn't even think of electronics and other stuffs but straight about the stomach intake

who cares electricity and electronics are overrated, food is the real deal fam

Refinedbeing:
So theirs Oja Oba in Benin too? Is it also located beside the Kings’ palace?

The major way to ascertain a Yoruba town/settlement is that the Oja obas are always beside the Kings palace and that’s mostly the city centre. Every other parts are built surrounding both.

Not insinuating Benin is a Yorubaland by the way. Just asking out of curiosity and saying so others can learn.

The original Benin city was a Yoruba city not different from Owo or Akure but it had villages surrounding it filled with non Yoruba speaking people and also some Yoruba speaking villages. After the decline of the empire some of the Yoruba left and some of the non Yoruba speakers from the suburbs entered the city and became the majority turning it into a non Yoruba city

anonimi:
How do you expect him to go to secondary school when Tinubu is leading other politicians to deemphasise free education for all children?

Unlike Obasanjo and Atiku who established UBEC to make matching federal funds available to states for nine years of free and compulsory education for all children.

If Tinubu is the cause of you not going to secondary school, then you're too young for me to be concerning myself about.