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Harnny:
So if there are versions of the Quran, I will stop being a Muslim. Weird that this argument is coming from a Christian. So we have left the reading argument. Keep going about, we will get somewhere eventually.

Who cares wether you leave Islam or not?! I don't care!

But know this: Quran is a highly corrupted book
It is also not perfect. It comprises many Arabic versions with each containing different sentences that have different meanings.

Even Aisha, your founder's viictiim, said a goat ate some of the papers on which the so-called revelations were written!

olabrad:
Who cares wether you leave Islam or not?! I don't care!

But know this: Quran is a highly corrupted book
It is also not perfect. It comprises many Arabic versions with each containing different sentences that have different meanings.

Even Aisha, your founder's viictiim, said a goat ate some of the papers on which the so-called revelations were written!

Still really weird of you to talk about corruption of text as a Christian.
Goat ate their memories too?
An average muslim can perfectly recite at least half of the Quran from memory.
You really have lost steams from your arguments.

Harnny:
Still really weird of you to talk about corruption of text as a Christian.
Goat ate their memories too?
An average muslim can perfectly recite at least half of the Quran from memory.
You really have lost steams from your arguments.

If reciting was enough to compile Quran, caliph uthman wouldn't have called for all written manuscripts of the Quran. He would have simply reproduced it from memory!

The first caliph before him (caliph abubakir) wouldn't have called for the ones written on leaves, stones, etc before writing the Quran. He would have simply reproduced them from memory!

Calling for written copies show that memorized ones are not sufficient!

Since there are many versions of the Arabic Quran, which one was memorized by the memorizers?!

You guys can't fool the world anymore.

Quran is a corrupted book.

The availability of different Arabic versions even showed that the memorized one is faulty. If the memories ones are perfect, then we shouldn't have different Arabic Qurans today!

olabrad:
If reciting was enough to compile Quran, caliph uthman wouldn't have called for all written manuscripts of the Quran. He would have simply reproduced it from memory!

The first caliph before him (caliph abubakir) wouldn't have called for the ones written on leaves, stones, etc before writing the Quran. He would have simply reproduced them from memory!

Calling for written copies show that memorized ones are not sufficient!

Since there are many versions of the Arabic Quran, which one was memorized by the memorizers?!

You guys can't fool the world anymore.

Quran is a corrupted book.

The availability of different Arabic versions even showed that the memorized one is faulty. If the memories ones are perfect, then we shouldn't have different Arabic Qurans today!

It still does not take away the fact that a Christian is arguing on a textual corruption.
When you wrote your comment, did your brain instruct your fingers to type it or did suddenly appear on your screen?
Written text are from someones construct, either from conceptualization or from re-calling known values.

Harnny:
It still does not take away the fact that a Christian is arguing on a textual corruption.
When you wrote your comment, did your brain instruct your fingers to type it or did suddenly appear on your screen?
Written text are from someones construct, either from conceptualization or from re-calling known values.

In other words, you agree that your Quran is from someone's conceptualization or from recalling known values?!

Good!

For different Arabic versions of Quran to exist, it means there is no agreement in the conceptualisation or recalling.
Which means there is no assurance that the Quran you have today can be trusted!

olabrad:
If that's the case, it means those who wrote your Quran committed errors because there are many differences among the various Arabic versions of the Quran.

If original revelations of your Quran are full of discrepancies, it means the reliability of the Quran can't be trusted!



If I write a sentence in different dialects, their meanings should be the same. In the case of the different Arabic versions of the Quran, the sentences are very different and have different meanings.

Oga stop lying to defend the Arab pagan idol called alllllla!



This your "protection" excuse is complete nonsense. You say it as if all Arabs are Muslims and Arab speakers can't also corrupt the Quran of they like. Ile kewu level of argument!

Existence of various Arabic versions of the Quran containing different sentences is an evidence that the Arabic Qurans have been corrupted already! So, your alllla's "protection" effort has failed! So your allah is a failure!



I challenge you to provide me proof that non-Muslims have tried to corrupt Quran. You can only lie to Ile kewu pupils. The world is more advanced than these baseless lies!

Do you know that the Quran you use today is the 1924 edition of the Quran?! Your Quran is heavily edited, modified, corrupted. There is nothing original about Quran.

Caliph uthman collected existing manuscripts to create a new one. That new one is what you are using today. So, your Quran is not original anymore. Why did caliph uthman burned all existing manuscripts?! Because he wanted to cover up the corruption and inconsistencies in the Quran



Bible has many versions and Quran has many versions.

Bible versions contain differences and Quran versions contiaon differences.

So, how is your Quran better?!

So you typed this much about Qur'an "versions" without bringing examples.

Let's get practical, bring 2 Qur'an qiraat and reference some differences in them.

DesireV:
So you typed this much about Qur'an "versions" without bringing examples.

Let's get practical, bring 2 Qur'an qiraat and reference some differences in them.

In Quran 2:58, Hafs says "We give mercy", while warsh says "he gives mercy". Who is really talking there?! Is it your alllla or someone else? Which should we accept between the warsh and Hafs version of Quran 2:58?!

In Quran 2:140, Hafs says "you say", while warsh says "they say". One is second person singular, while the other one is third person plural.
So, who really says?!

HE HAD A CHANCE TO CHANGE. HE TOOK THE CHANCE AND BECOME "THE RIGHTEOUS ".

olabrad:
In Quran 2:58, Hafs says "We give mercy", while warsh says "he gives mercy". Who is really talking there?! Is it your alllla or someone else? Which should we accept between the warsh and Hafs version of Quran 2:58?!

In Quran 2:140, Hafs says "you say", while warsh says "they say". One is second person singular, while the other one is third person plural.
So, who really says?!

Alhamdulillah for Islam. Rock solid, mediocrity proof! I invite you into Islam. You'll not only receive salvation, you'll become smart.

Quote the exact Arabic texts of the above let's interpret them together.

Post the exact Arabic texts, let the severity of your slooooowness be more glaring
I repeat, all qiraat and riwayah are same in meanings. All!

To help you and your likes, the Qur'an was revealed only in Arabic and as such there is only one Qur'an, which is in Arabic (all qiraat and riwayah which are like dialects).

Every non Arabic text of the Qur'an is the "interpretations of the meanings". This is always clearly written on the cover of every authorized translation of meanings. Nothing like English Qur'an, Hausa Qur'an, Yoruba Qur'an, French Qur'an etc.

The Qur'an isn't like some books that have lost their essence to the whims and caprices of the translators. Some versions of the bible have different contents sef, not about the meanings now. I mean, different number of chapters... 78,73,66 etc just like some textbooks where chapters are added and removed with every edition

When are you going to write your own chapter for inclusion in the bible or maybe have your own bible all together

DesireV:
Alhamdulillah for Islam. Rock solid, mediocrity proof! I invite you into Islam. You'll not only receive salvation, you'll become smart.

There is no salvation in Islam. In Quran 46:9, even your founder doesn't know where he is going or what will happen to him after death.

Quote the exact Arabic texts of the above let's interpret them together.

Post the exact Arabic texts, let the severity of your slooooowness be more glaring
I repeat, all qiraat and riwayah are same in meanings. All!

I showed you the specific Quran verses. So, go and read them in Arabic by yourself!. For example, how can "I will go" have the same meaning as "they have gone'? Why are you deceiving yourself?!

Qur'an 21:4 , Hafs version read "He said "my lord knows"", while Warsh version read "Say, my lord knows". If you don't like lying, you'll see the clear contradiction!

Qur'an 2:58 in Hafs say "We give mercy", while Warsh says "He gives mercy". Who is rally giving mercy?!

To help you and your likes, the Qur'an was revealed only in Arabic and as such there is only one Qur'an, which is in Arabic (all qiraat and riwayah which are like dialects).

Stop deceiving yourself. After your founder died, caliph uthman rewrote the Quran because there was disagreement among Muslims About the various Arabic Qurans available. So, the Quran you are reading today is not the original thing your founder received as "revelation"

Despite uthman's rewriting of Quran, different Arabic versions still exist till today.

Every non Arabic text of the Qur'an is the "interpretations of the meanings". This is always clearly written on the cover of every authorized translation of meanings. Nothing like English Qur'an, Hausa Qur'an, Yoruba Qur'an, French Qur'an etc.

I'm not talking about "interpretation". I'm talking about different Arabic versions of the Quran having different meanings. Why is it difficult for your brrain to register that point?!

The Qur'an isn't like some books that have lost their essence to the whims and caprices of the translators. Some versions of the bible have different contents sef, not about the meanings now. I mean, different number of chapters... 78,73,66 etc just like some textbooks where chapters are added and removed with every edition

Do you know that chapter 2 of the Quran have different number of verses in Hafs and Warsh versions?!

Quran says Alexander the great travelled to a point where the sun set in muddy water. Do you know there is no single historical proof for that?!

Qur'an started losing its essence when your allah started abrogating verses in it. So, the first person to corrupt Quran is your alllla.

When caliph Abu Akbar compiled the Quran, he left out some verses.

Then came caliph uthman, who destroyed previous Qurans and produced a new one!.

When are you going to write your own chapter for inclusion in the bible or maybe have your own bible all together

Even your rotttten founder said Gospel used by Christians is a perfect book in Q 5:47

Are you saying your founder is lying?